mark: i mark halperin. mark:john: and i'm john heilemann. donaldh respect to trump, america is plenty great. ♪ i know you do, i know you want a mac and cheetos. today, in gotham city, donald trump stepped up to the teleprompters and delivered his roast of hillary clinton. ,e mostly stuck to the script

wall street, and everything else he could think of. mr. trump: she believes that she is entitled to the office, her campaign slogan is "i am with her." you not my response is to that? with you, the american people. she is a world-class liar. no secretary of state has been more wrong, more often, and in more places than hillary clinton. be the mostton may corrupt person ever to seek the presidency of the united states to read while we may not know what is in those deleted e-mails, our enemies probably know every single one of them. so they probably now have a blackmail file over someone who wants to be the president of the united states. this fact alone disqualifies her from the

presidency. after trump's speech today, the clinton campaign offeredd in part "he more hypocritical lies and nutty conspiracy theories. more things he cannot answer or dispute, of his business record." in north carolina, hillary clinton responded to trump at the end of a policy-heavy speech. mrs. clinton: donald hates it when anyone points out how hollow his sales pitch really is. yesterdays my speech must have gotten under his skin because right away, he lashed out on twitter with outlandish lies and conspiracy theories and it did the same in his speech today. now think about it. he is going after me personally because he has no answers on the substance. campaignk, the trump

still plans to roll at a new website, lying, crooked hillary campaign, in the coming days. what do you think about his plans to frame hillary are going? mark: about changing the being able to not trust her, i think those were well-chosen. the speech was decently written. he is better,r but a sex energy. the clinton team responded hard, and trump is being held to standards of a normal campaign, including on telling the truth. they were factual things in his truth that stretched the message. if they are playing by normal rules, they have to get their facts perfectly straight. john: there's also a kitchen sink quality to it, i still do not know what that speeches about in any meaningful way.

we know we know he does not like hillary clinton very much, he has 47 different criticisms across 47 different categories. it feels like unfocused name-calling, rather than showing a specific part of her record that illustrates a broader problem with her character. he wants to say here are five ways she cannot be trusted, but the unfocused quality means no one will walk away with a headline other than trump attacks hillary. new: and, there was nothing in this speech. it was his greatest hits, the advantage hillary clinton had with her speech yesterday was that there were some new tax, but some scum outlines lines that were surprising, funny, everything donald trump said today could be a jukebox of previous speeches. think, looking at the content, this is the frame that will win for him. you cannot change washington with more of the same. john: there are people in

democratic circles to get upset, so maybe clear. donald trump is more unpopular than hillary clinton, but hillary clinton has problems with her popularity and trustworthiness to the middle of the electorate. trump's more conventional speech was on day two of what he himself said in an interview is now "a different kind of campaign." so how is it going? let us get you up. >> donald trump, presidential, here is what happened. conventional candidate, conventional campaign. endorsement from a big name, check, kind of. seasoner contestant on three. they totally own her, and that will never, ever change. including if she ever became president, god help us. >> but, he did use the teleprompter.

2.0? will so that stuff encourage members of the establishment and others who want to bring the party together. on the other hand, when donald trump's former rival marco rubio, announced that he will head for reelection to the seat this fall, he distanced and self from trump as he made the announcement. the party's presumptive nominee got a bit of a time lashing from rubio, who said he would go out of his way to disagree with trump as issues come up, and highlighted past disagreements. also, national security advisor to both george h.w. bush and gerald ford endorsed hillary clinton the coming one of the most republicans -- prominent republicans to do so. simultaneously trump rebranding his campaign, refocusing it, and trying to build the party. what is the scorecard for today? youngerhave to say, and

members of the audience may not know how important that is, but that is the canary in the coal mine. he will not be the last, and may not even be the most prominent republican who comes around to hillary clinton's side. for me, i have continued to say that donald trump, where he clears the bar of commander-in-chief is a huge issue of whether he will be commander-in-chief. up in hillaryd clinton's column, that is a huge problem for him. mark: and, doing stuff in the right way, the more conventional . the assessment will send a signal, we are competing with the clintons. he is done some fundraising, which is going better. he did a couple big events in new york during i do think these are serious for him. ,ubio, i was told last week that he would do a combination of announce and denounce, and he did that today, simultaneously

saying i'm running, but distancing myself from trump, you will see more candidates distance themselves, and more big-name republicans endorse clinton. back a couple months ago, when trump was on the verge of locking up the republican nomination, people thought he might get rubio's endorsement, and that he would come over relatively quickly when trump won indiana. but over the last couple months, his behavior has made it easier for rubio to a away. mark: they have to overcome these him, and keep improving. john: clinton's campaign still win vp picks. she has three possible running mates, elizabeth moran, she is expected to hold a rally with, virginia senator tim kaine, and

castro, for urban development. mark, i want to take this away from who is it going to be, and , who would be a smart pick for each of these folks? mark: hillary clinton, i would set -- have to say michael bennett, the colorado governor. he is a smart guy, he meets the two biggest test that hillary clinton and bill clinton are looking for, someone who they like and can work with and is policy oriented, and people they would say is proud -- qualified to be president. he is the young and exciting because he is from the west and a younger guy. i think she will pick someone in that mold. on the republican side, i am less confident this is a good pick, but chris christie.

but hes a negative side, is been impressing people lately in private events as a trump surrogate. the best attacker in republican politics on the republican side, and i think you would add stability to the trump campaign. choices, thewo best they can do under those circumstances. john: there are pros and cons we can debate. side, i stillcan think this commander-in-chief thing matters a lot to trump. running someone with national security bona fides is important. it may be completely out of the --dow after the way trump bob corker, someone most people talked about for a little while, he is the negative on trump in recent days. but he is not been fully denounced by trump. that can pull corker,

would be a win for trump. on the democratic side, i continue to say elizabeth warren, the excitement, the degree to which she has become a powerful surrogate during and two of my colleagues cited today the national poll in the general electorate. only half of the sanders voters right now say they will bow for hillary clinton. if that is true, that is a huge problem for her and there is only one solution very -- solution. mark: i am certain she will not pick elizabeth warren. john: they need to do what is smart. a plan to do away with the affordable care act and replace it with something else. that was outlined in a 20,000 word policy basel that would repeal the affordable care act and replace it with a system that offers tax credits to help people buy insurance, expand health savings accounts, and allow people to buy insurance across state lines. it would also provide $25

billion for states to set up and run high risk pools, and make a number of changes to medicare and state expansions and increasing the eligibility age, eventually to 67. ryan's plan would keep intact the more popular elements of current law, allowing people to stay on their parents health plans until they are 26, and preventing insurance companies from denying coverage to those with previous conditions. mostly familiar to people who have looked at republican health care reform, is a good politics? john: it is good politics in one crucial sense, republicans have said repeal, repeal, repeal. but they have never had a plan. now at least this is a plan, and it is good to be able to stand up and say they have something to replace obamacare with if they repeal it. still would not on the merits, push the country toward

universal coverage, and that is to undone business, not up 100% like major, it western countries. it coverscknowledges a lot of people, not necessarily universal, but all the matters area on the political side it is smart, preserving the popular sides of the new law but going through things in a way that is well explained. it is not legislation, but it gets people to understand how this can make their lives better. it is one of the few times republicans have proposed that something this focus in its rhetoric and policy, saying you may not like every element of this, but this is a package of things that could lower costs and improve polity. i think it is a smart step, and ryan is a smart to drive it if trump embraces it. john: very interesting. mark: a lot more on today's volley between hillary clinton and donald trump, and the state of 2016 fundraising at the

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john: earlier today, bloomberg politics cohosted an event at gotham city, featured an advisor to hillary clinton, and a confidant and special counsel to donald trump. we talked to both of them about their candidates and the state of fundraising in this presidential cycle. here's what he had to say about why trump does not have an official super pac. >> he does not want it. he has gone out of his way to

shut down super pacs that it started to use his name. could get $100 million, i have half a dozen people, exactly the same, but he does not want to do it. mr. trumpyou saying will not have a super pac? does he want one? >> i don't think he wants one. he does not think it is necessary to spend $1 billion, it is a lot of money. john: what you think about that? he knows mr. trump pretty well, and we've been debating about whether he would eventually have one. he is saying, no super pac, not going to sanction one or have one. mark: it would run counter to his rhetoric. there is always a question of a

super pac or not, you need a pot of money, the committee, the campaign, that is decent to compete with the other side. pac, does not have a super and he cannot bundle fast enough, i do not know how he gets a big enough pot of money unless he writes 84 and million dollar check. -- john: less far, we have no indication he will do that. but he could change that. mark: during another part of that conversation, mark last three -- lasry said this. andou have to look at this say, this is the way everyone else has done this area there is a ton of history, and it works very well. if you want to be successful, here is what you have to do. the answer when you're not able to do it is to say, hey, we are different.

and maybe you are right, maybe you will be able to do all the different things he will say you will do and you do not need the money to do it because it is irrelevant very and if you are right, you will start writing a new chapter. i would argue that that is so far off, how will you end up winning this nomination, that i think it is great. mark: obviously, that is a pretty good presentation of what , therats are saying now trunk and say he is unconventional, but you need a certain amount of money to be competitive. john: it is clearly the case the donald trump was able to weakerh his relatively fractured field of republicans by feasting on free media coverage. i understand why mark lasry looks of the disparity on advertising and feels comforted by the fact that that disparity might not narrow over the next

few months. mark: very tough for democrats and republicans to see how this works. but if trump can get the polls closer, they may accept the fact that he does not need as much money. he does not have as much time to spend raising money at this point. john: when we come back, i deeper dive into those speeches by donald trump and hillary clinton. ♪

mark: joining us now from washington, casey hunt talks about everything that happens today. we start with the dueling

clinton and trump operations, both of them delivering speeches, but bracketing the other side. casey: i felt that for the first time today, we had both sides acting almost like traditional presidential campaigns, the first time i feel like it is been the case in this fledgling general election campaign. i think that on the clinton five, you had them very prepared at the outset, plenty of background information coming out ahead of trump's speech. they were quick with the 15 lives they identified in his speech. news organizations were also fact-checking trump. people reacting to hillary clinton and a more aggressive way than usual. and you saw clinton herself respond directly to trump's speech in a way that suggests they will be willing to play with him in this more

aggressively than we initially thought. we also saw a c-span interview with bernie sanders, came out today, really interesting interview. talk about that interview. sanders know, bernie committed news, i was so surprised. i loved that he had his first -- it was a very bernie sanders decision. he acknowledged finally that he does not expect that he will be the democratic nominee. he also laid out directly the things he wants and expects, both sides are negotiating, he expects to have a spot at the convention, and wants to share

the health committee in the next senate. taken together, i felt like this was a significant and concrete step in the direction of him eventually supporting hillary clinton. and he scheduled that speech for new york for tomorrow. i would not be surprised to see him go further than he has in that. mark: earlier today you are up on capitol hill when hillary clinton met with the house democrats. that seems from the readouts on both sides to be a supreme lovefest. kasie: that is not an inaccurate way to describe it. -- got a gift from her new for her new grandson from nancy pelosi, they made fun of a congressman that wanted to be her vp, it was a jocular, fun time. but also ties into where bernie sanders is now, it is clear that democrats are both united, but very excited about what they have managed to accomplish and are excited about getting behind hillary clinton. at the only thing anyone seemed unhappy about was the idea she would not go to all 50 states

and campaign for them, a lot of these house numbers have interest in seeing her show up in places that might not make sense during a presidential campaign. talked about the brent endorsement, is that just the first of similar endorsements they will rollout when trump tries to go on offense against them? kasie: my sense is that the clinton and pain has been keeping up with careful conversations with people that fit into this category of description. i do not think it is just national security types, it applies to donors in some cases, as well. but they do feel there is an identifiable universe of republicans who are so uncomfortable with donald trump, and you frankly, have known and worked with at the clintons for many, many years, who might be open to this.

when you're listening to people like lindsey graham, he was at an event i covered in washington with joe biden at the center for new american security, and he was trashing trump left and right and had good things to say about hillary clinton. i think you will see more of that. e, thank you. when we come back, we go back to the center ring with two big speeches from trump and clinton today, and we talk about what is behind the words they used. ♪ . .

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hillary clinton and donald trump took aim at each other. trump was here in gotham city and clinton held an afternoon rally in north carolina. we are to talk more about both of those speeches and we're going to start with trump. a not-so-subtle appeal to supporters of bernie sanders. : we will never be able to fix a rigged system by counting on the same people who have rigged in the first place. [applause] the insiders wrote the rules of the game to keep themselves in power and in the money. that is why we are asking bernie sanders voters to join our we can fix together the system for all americans, so important. [applause] this may worknk for him. would get manye

classical bernie sanders supporters, but people want change and just don't like hillary clinton. that is where he needs to thrive. john: i have been utterly, totally skeptical that very many if any bernie sanders supporters would and up in trump's column and then we did our national poll which said 55% for hillary clinton and the next against percent, 22% said they were open to voting for trump. 18% for libertarian gary johnson. trump has been doing the sanders thing for a while. something that i thought to stir up mischief -- it is clear that at least there are some sanders voters who might be available and is not crazy, what he is doing. they are not the democrats, but there are a lot of independents who do not like hillary clinton, who think she is corrupt and that gives more pull. he would win this

narrowly, every vote, targeted. these national polls, interesting as they are, he's not going to get california bernie sanders supporters or new york city bernie sanders supporters. but can he get supporters in ohio, wisconsin and new hampshire? there's some indication that he can and he can play offense rhetorically with this message, talking about change, talking about initial interest. is doing to do when he fundraisers with millionaires and billionaires, but he is trying. trump spent ad -- good deal of his speech talking about hillary clinton as secretary of state. beforemp: in 2009, clinton was sworn in, it was a different world. iraq was seeing a reduction in violence, syria was under control, iran was being choked by sanctions, egypt was governed by a friendly regime that

honored its peace treaty with israel. something very nice, because by totally beenel has mistreated by the united states. isis wasn't even on the map. fast-forward to 2013. in just four years, secretary clinton managed to almost single-handedly destabilize the entire middle east. that weere's no doubt have known all along that donald would go after hillary clinton and link her to the obama administration's record. you mentioned factual exaggerations in the show -- is that just standard medical rhetoric? mark: i don't think any of it is substandard but it does weaken his case when he is that brought and sweeping. the problem with that section from a performance point of view is that he has not internalized it.

he's too busy reading off the prompt her to make it emotional. i do think he leaves it. a he continues to give version of the speech as system speech and gets better at it, i think you will be stronger. one of the things that was so good about hillary clinton's speech is you felt like it was the first time she gave it, and you felt like she really owned it. she knew what she was doing. she believed it and owned it and knew what she wanted to say. this trump still feels like feeling his way along -- i don't disagree that he is sincere but he -- it feels like he is reading a script. we have seen three of the four pieces. wincing clinton go after trump on his consistency and we have seen trump go after clinton and we have seen trump talk about his foreign-policy. there's a lot of holes in it but

we have seen him talk about how he would be different. what we have not seen as her go out there and make a robust case in the context of the campaign and say here is why i'm great on or in policy. it has not then as much a part of a brief even her most recent job and that would be a fascinating decision and i think it will be fully joined only when we get to the actual debates. when those debates occur, it's going to be fascinating to see if trump is ready because we know she will be ready on foreign policy to defend her self and go on offense against trump. john: i say this without any orientation -- she just knows more about the world than he does. he knows more about this stuff. i'm not saying her foreign-policy record is invulnerable in any way but she has the historical and policy advantage. mark: and he leaves himself vulnerable in the debates to her charging at him rhetorically and him not having the answer and i

himect she will try to aid into some sort of factual situation or he just cannot compete and he will be fact checked. he has not been fact checked very much. you better tell from today forward that the media will be fact checking him rigorously. john: given the stakes on national security, he makes one big mistake -- you make that one big gerald ford mistake, it could all be over. we look atxt, hillary clinton's rebuttal speech focusing on her economic ideas and her criticism of dollars -- of donald trump. programre watching this on the television, you can listen to us live on the radio at bloomberg 99.1 fm. we will be right back. ♪

john: we showed you donald trump's which -- pitch to bernie sanders voters. hillary clinton seem to have a similar goal. while she did not mention him by intended audience was unmistakable. ms. clinton: toomey corporations have embraced policies that favor hedge funds and other big shareholders and top regiment at the expense of their workers, communities, and even their long-term value. they are driven by wall street's obsession with short term share prices and quarterly earnings. it is wrong to take taxpayer dollars with one hand and give

out with the other hand. [applause] that is hillary clinton talking to those sanders voters. aboute been talking sanders this show. is that enough for those sanders voters who are not for her automatically and those who will not be thrown to her just buy a sanders endorsement. is that enough to make those trust her on the issue of money in politics? mark: i think this issue of money in politics and special interest influence, this will be the test whether donald trump has the skill to define his opponent running for the nomination. i think people are too hard on her in terms of her attitude, but in terms of her ties and special-interest money, there's an opening for trump to feel not just to send her supporters, but people sick of special influence dominating our politics. can trump do it?

that's a compelling performance. he will have to be skillful to confront her with facts that will make that message seem less relevant and more hypocritical. john: what is the likelihood that trump will pick up bernie sanders'call to release the speech is to goldman sachs? mark: the only problem is he has not released his tax returns. that is not the same cause celebre, so i think it's hard for him to do. it's hard to make the case for full disclosure when you haven't made your tax returns. mark: we had children visiting the show and they all mentioned hillary clinton path transcripts. john: but he should release is tax returns. clinton spenty

some time defending her families foundation which trump accused of being corrupt. ms. clinton: attacking a philanthropic foundation that saves and improves lives around the world -- it's no surprise he doesn't understand these things. the clinton foundation helps poor people around the world get access to lifesaving aids medicine. [applause] donald trump uses poor people around the world to produce his line of suits and ties. at the form we did supporters of clinton and trump, they had a tussle over the foundation. there's no doubt there some defensiveness there on the part of the clinton and there's no doubt trump thinks this is a huge deal. where do you think that fight

ends up? john: i don't know. it always seems to me the intersection of the clinton foundation, her time as secretary of state, the money that came in from a lot of asources, that seem to be fertile area for investigation. there's been a little bit of that done. know, thefor all we fbi has told into it. john: i think journalistically, it's an area that would benefit from greater scrutiny and in estimation. at this moment, there is nothing that has been the obvious silver bullet trump could fire and prove the charge of corruption, -- i have no dot we will see more stories about it between now and november and it not impossible it could be a significant thing. mark: the critics overstate the extent to which they don't do any thing and that it's a piggy bank for the clinton, but it seems clear whether there is long raking or not that there is a case to be made about the

clintons co-mingling official business with fundraising and the foundation, but it's another test of trump's discipline, to make that connection in a way that is understandable and gets coverage. it requires a lot of discipline well short ofis any discipline -- is he more likely tomorrow when he's doing a rally, is he likely to her member how to talk about that in a specific way or talk about how much he likes wayne newton? tos a coin flip and if i had call it, i would call it for wayne newton. john: we are still relatively early in the days of the general election, but this goes to an asue if he were armed with properly constructed argument, we saw kitchen sink is him -- kitchen sinkism. mark: if george herbert walker bush was talking about hillary

clinton in the foundation, he would have it nailed. democrats stage a germanic protest on house floor today. we will tell you about that when we come back. ♪

today on capitol hill, houston kratz staged a sit in on the chamber floor to protest republicans'unwillingness to hold hearings on gun control in the wake of the orlando massacre. joining us now is luke russert. take us through the day. this was not on my radar when i got up. was this a surprise to everyone up there? luke: absolutely.

i can tell you how i can tell you how it came ther. representative katherine clark of massachusetts reached at two john lewis civil rights icon and do somethingo regarding the inability to get a gun control vote moving toward the house. and theyem went down wanted to see what they could pull off in the house. with a larger group last night and they came up with this idea of staging a sit down on the house floor. it was last by the leadership and this is a political insider show, there's no filibuster mechanism. the party in the majority controls the happenings of the floor, so what ended up occurring was when the house bangingo recess after gavel and saying the pledge of allegiance, john lewis went to the floor and said we need to do something bold, something that rings attention to the cause and horny or 50 members of the houston credit caucus sat in the

well loved the house, in the have been there since 11:30 a.m. this morning. disrupted isey this the majority wanted to get done or is this all symbolic? luke: there were votes scheduled, the usual house votes that have not been able to go forward. house gop will meet as a conference coming up to figure out what to do about it because the democrats say they will not leave until they are able to get votes on the chris murphy bill that would call for increased ground checks and the dianne feinstein if you are on the terrorist watch list, you should not be able to purchase a gun. they have to fire out what the end is here. but it is interesting because c-span is not broadcasting it. this is not the house floor being open.

i can go in the gallery and watch and tweeted out, but there's no official record. they used pirated images and video. it has taken social media by storm and it's a wild thing to see. in seven years, i've never seen anything like it. to ed markey, senator from massachusetts, and he's never seen anything like it, so they have certainly struck a chord. john: wargame it out. what is -- is this going to go on another 24 hours? luke: i don't think they expected it to get this much attention, especially on a day when donald trump is giving a speech and hillary meeting with the houston credit caucus. but members i spoke to are prepared to say -- or to stay through the night. maxine waters says hell would freeze over before they leave

the floor if they don't get a vote on the gun-control amendment. i would argue that it's easier for the house gop to take these gunboats because i have the havest majority than they for years. a big deal to put this forward in an already existing bill, but seems they don't want isgive because ryan basically saying we cannot let the minority party hijacked the house floor when they are not eating their way and the hate what happens. that would set a terrible president. so it is an interesting standoff and i think democrats feel invigorated and they are going to bend at least until the early hours here unless ryan comes out in as we will move on something -- for you. it's interesting when new

things happen on capitol hill. ryan can't give then because that would allow the minority, whenever they didn't like what was going on to effectively take over by saying we are just going to sit on the floor until you give us our way for i don't think you can arrest john lewis either. it's a real test for paul ryan. it's a test against the other party and some of his own. there's a couple of interesting elements and one is this the beginning of the obama administration, the shooting of gabby for its, sandy hook, charleston and everything that has come since, it takes an election year to get these guys to say there actually is something we can do. john lewis, democrats holding hands, it's incredibly poignant but why now and why not ever before but it is good in the immediate rollout for hillary clinton, it takes attention from donald trump bashing her and gives an opportunity for democrats to come around

something they believe in and it happens to come on a day when she is popping through to make on -- make a visit before she goes back out on the road. john: what do you think about -- it's the first day where it felt like to traditional presidential campaigns running in traditional ways and then this completely unexpected thing pops up and throws everything off kilter. talk about what that does to the overall narrative of the day. was goingknew clinton to be meeting with the democrats and we knew president was going to be signing this bipartisan bill on epa regulations at the white house where you saw many democrats who could be very pelositial -- nancy rushing between the meetings in the white house to give her presentation and in the middle of all of this, it's not entirely clear how much coordination there is.

if it wasn't coordinated, it they how much potential would to get together and if they the white house could play nicely together and work well together. folks at the white house seemed pretty please by the aggressive of this. are they going to rely on their allies or may the president engage in some campaigning to move this legislation is mark guest: that's the $64,000 weston. that's one of the issues where in the last few years he has tried to calibrate whether him getting personally involved would screw it up more for the democrats. to actually get something done. he will get credit whether he was involved or not. mark: thank you very much. ♪

mark: i don't like mac & cheese and i don't like cheetahs -- there's nothing there for me except i'm a big fan of preservatives. john: right now, a new story supporterse sanders who say they will support hillary clinton. until tomorrow, we say sayonara. mark: same bat time, same bat channel. ♪

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mark: i'm mark crumpton. let's begin with a check of your first word news. donald trump and hillary clinton stepped up their verbal attacks today. during an appearance in new york, trump said clinton has

spent her entire life making money from special interests. has made plenty of money for them and she has been taking monday of money out herself. perfectedinton has the politics of personal profit and even theft. mark: during an appearance in north carolina, hillary clinton said mr. trump's policies lacked specifics. ms. clinton: donald trump offers no real solutions for the economic challenges we face. he just continues to spout reckless ideas that will run up our debt and cause another economic crash. mark: senator bernie sanders is inking about "where we go from here." he says that is the theme of his press conference in new york. a