♪ mark: i am mark halperin. john: and i'm john heilemann. and with all due respect to donald trump, america is plenty great. buster. >> new products, called mac and cheetos. ♪ john: i know you do, i know you want a mac and cheetos. come on. happy national teleprompter day, sports fans. today, in gotham city, donald trump stepped up to the teleprompters and delivered his long-awaited, thorough roast of

hillary clinton. he mostly stuck to the script, wall street, and everything else he could think of. mr. trump: she believes that she is entitled to the office, her campaign slogan is "i am with her." you not my response is to that? i am with you, the american people. she is a world-class liar. no secretary of state has been more wrong, more often, and in more places than hillary clinton. hillary clinton may be the most corrupt person ever to seek the presidency of the united states . while we may not know what is in those deleted e-mails, our enemies probably know every single one of them. so they probably now have a blackmail file over someone who wants to be the president of the united states. this fact alone disqualifies her from the presidency.

john: after trump's speech today, the clinton campaign responded with a statement that says, in part, quote, "the only thing he offered today was more hypocritical lies and nutty conspiracy theories. more things he cannot answer or dispute, of his business record." in north carolina, hillary clinton responded to trump at near the very end of a policy-heavy speech. mrs. clinton: donald hates it when anyone points out how hollow his sales pitch really is. [laughter] mrs. clinton: and i guess my speech yesterday must have gotten under his skin because right away, he lashed out on twitter with outlandish lies and conspiracy theories and it did -- he did the same in his speech today. now, think about it. he is going after me personally because he has no answers on the substance. [cheers]

john: mark, the trump campaign still plans to roll at a new website, lying, crooked hillary dot come in the coming days. what do you think about his plans to frame hillary are going for the general election? mark: about changing the able -- about not being her veracity. the speech was decently written. he is still now on prompter. that, one,blem is the clinton team came, responding hard, as they do, and trump is being held to standards of a normal campaign, including on telling the truth. and there were factual things in his speech that at a minimum stretched the message. they're going to have to learn if there played by normal rules, they will have to get their facts perfectly straight. john: there's also a kitchen sink quality to it, i still do not know what that speeches about in any meaningful way.

it is a speech that all people, he does not like hillary clinton very much. he has 47 different criticisms across 47 different categories. all -- it starts to sound like unfocused name-calling rather than drilling down into some part of her record and showing how that part of her record illustrates a broader problem with her character. i think that is what he was to try to do. he wants to say, here are five ways she cannot be trusted, but the unfocused quality means no one will walk away with a headline other than trump attacks hillary. mark: exactly, and there was nothing new in this speech. it was his greatest hits, the advantage hillary clinton had with her speech yesterday was that there were some new tax, -- fax, but there are also some scum of that were surprising, funny. -- some of them were surprising, funny. everything donald trump said today could be a jukebox of previous speeches. i do think, looking at the content, this is the frame that will win for him.

which is you can't change washington with more of the same. john: there are people in democratic circles to get upset, so let me be clear. donald trump is more unpopular than hillary clinton, but hillary clinton has problems with her popularity and trustworthiness to the middle of the electorate. she has those problems. mark: donald trump's more conventional speech was on day two of what he himself said in a tv interview which is now, quote "a different kind of , campaign." so how is it going, this different type of campaign? sit back, relax, let us get you up. >> donald trump, presidential, here is what happened. conventional candidate, conventional campaign. endorsement from a big name, check, kind of. a speech from a big name. check. sort of. the script, check. mr. trump: they totally own her, and that will never, ever change. reporter: kind of. mr. trump: including if she ever became president, god help us. reporter: but he did use the

teleprompter. and a #. trump 2.0? mark: so that stuff will all encourage members of the establishment and others who want to bring the party together. on the other hand, when donald trump's former rival marco rubio, the florida or senator, announced that he will head for reelection to the seat this fall, he distanced and self from trump as he made the announcement. the party's presumptive nominee got a little bit of a lashing -- lashing from rubio, who said he would go out of his way to disagree with trump as issues come up, and highlighted past disagreements. also today, the national security advisor to both george h.w. bush and gerald ford indoors hillary clinton, becoming one of the most prominent republicans to do so, so trump rebranding his campaign, refocusing it, and also trying to build the party. what is the scorecard for today? john: i have to say, and younger

members of the audience may not know how important the bread is howroft endorsement , important that is, but that is the canary in the coal mine. he will not be the last, and may not even be the most prominent republican who comes around to hillary clinton's side. for me, i have continued to say that donald trump, where he clears the bar of commander in chief is a huge, huge issue about being president. if they end up in hillary clinton's column, that is a huge problem for him. i think he lost on that basis alone. mark: and, doing stuff in the right way, the more conventional. more stop that certainly for the establishment will send the signal, yes, we are competing with the clintons. some big events in new york, fundraising. these are serious for him. rubio, i was told last week, by someone last week that when he did a combination of announce and denounce, and he did that

today, simultaneously saying i'm running, but distancing myself from trump, i think both of these things are canary in the coal mine. you will see more big-name republicans endorse clinton. john: well, the rubio added some extra residence. back a couple months ago, when trump was on the verge of locking up the republican nomination, people thought he might get rubio's endorsement, and that rubio might come over relatively quickly when trump won indiana. they were optimistic they would get rubio on his side but over , the last couple months, his behavior has made it easier for rubio to a away. mark: they have to overcome these, but they have to keep improving. john: meanwhile, hillary clinton's campaign still looking at the the picks, and she has three possible running mates, massachusetts senator elizabeth warren, virginia senator tim

and the secretary of housing and urban development. on the republican side, donald trump does not plan to announce his sidekick until the jewelry convention next month, so, mark, i want to ask you. i want to take this away from who it is going to be and ask something more that we are qualified to answer on. who would be a smart pick for each of these folks? mark: hillary clinton, i would have to say michael bennett, the colorado governor. running for reelection this year, which complicates it. he is a smart guy, he meets the two biggest test that hillary clinton and bill clinton are looking for, someone who they like and can work with and is policy oriented and someone people would say is qualified to be president, and also though, young, and even though he is a pretty quiet guy, exciting, because he is from the west and a younger guy. i think she will pick someone in that mold. on the republican side, i am less confident this is a good pick, but chris christie.

there is all the negative, bad side that everybody knows, that people would denounce him, that he has been impressing people lately in private events as a trump surrogate. he is the best attacker in republican politics, at least on the republican side, and i think he would add stability to the trump campaign. those in my two choices, the best they can do under those circumstances. john: all right, let me go with my now, and i will give you two different names. there are pros and cons we can debate. i will start on the republican side, i still think this commander-in-chief thing matters a lot to trump. so running someone with national security bona fides is really key. i do not know who that would be. i think there was a time we talked about bob gates, but i think that is different after the way trump treated gates. bob corker, someone most people talked about for a little while, and corker has been negative on trump in recent days. but he is not been fully denounced by trump. if he can pull corker, that

is the chairman of the foreign relations committee, that would be a win for trump. on the democratic side, i continue to say elizabeth warren, the excitement, the degree to which she has become a powerful server it -- surrogate for hillary clinton's, and two of my colleagues cited today the national poll in the general electorate. only half of the sanders voters , bernie sanders voters right , now say they will bow for hillary clinton. if that is true, that is a huge problem for her and there is only one solution. and that is elizabeth warren. mark: i am certain she will not pick elizabeth warren. john: they need to do what is smart. not smart. today, pitching a republican plan to do a away with the affordable care act and replace it with something else. that was outlined in a 20,000 word proposal that would repeal the affordable care act and replace it with a system that offers tax credits to help people buy insurance, expand health savings accounts, and allow people to buy insurance across state lines. it would also provide $25 billion for states to set up and

run high risk pools, and make a number of changes to medicare state expansions, and increase the eligibility age over time eventually to 67. , ryan's plan would keep intact the more popular elements of current law, allowing people to stay on their parents' health plans until they are 26, and preventing insurance companies from denying coverage to those with previous conditions. so, john, is this a good set of policy proposals? mostly familiar to people who have looked at republican health care reform, and is it good politics? john: it is good politics in one crucial sense, republicans have said repeal, repeal, repeal. occasionally they say repeal or replace but they have never had , a plan. now at least this is a plan, and it is good to be able to stand up and say they have something to replace obamacare with if they repeal it. i think on the policy, it is very familiar, and it still would not on the merits, push the country toward universal coverage, and that is the undone

business about obama care, that 100%e still not at coverage, like we are in other western industrialized countries. mark: he acknowledges it covers a lot of people, not necessarily universal, but quality matters, and i think on the political side, it is smart preserving the , popular sides of the new law but also going through things in a way that is well explained. it is not legislation, but it is well explained to get people to understand how this can make their lives better. it is one of the few times republicans have proposed that something this focus in its -- that focuses on rhetoric and policy, saying you may not like every element of this but this , is a package of things that could lower costs and improve polity. i think it is a smart step, and ryan is a smart to drive it if -- and it will be interesting to see if trump embraces it. john: very interesting. mark: all right, coming up a lot , more on today's volley between hillary clinton and donald

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♪ john: earlier today, bloomberg politics cohosted an event at the core club in gotham city. it featured an advisor to hillary clinton, and a confidant and special counsel to donald trump. mark and i talked to both of them about their candidates and the state of fundraising in this presidential cycle. here is what cohen had to say when asked about why trump does not have an official super pac. >> he does not want it.

he has gone out of his way to shut down super pacs that it started to use his name. look, i can call up showing abelson tomorrow, and he will give me $100 million, i have half a dozen people, exactly the same, but he does not want to do it. john: are you saying mr. trump will not have a super pac? does he want one? that is going to be his posture from now to the end of election day? he will not have a super pac, or he does not want a super pac? >> i don't think he wants one. he does not think it is necessary to spend $1 billion, it is a lot of money. john: so, mark, what do you think about that? he knows mr. trump pretty well, and we've been debating about whether he would eventually have one. whether they have their act together, but cohen is saying no super pac, not to have mark: it one. would run counter to his

rhetoric. there is always a question of a super pac or not, you need a pot of money, the committee, the campaign, super pacs. that is decent to compete with the other side. if he is not going to have a super pac, and he cannot bundle fast enough, i do not know how he gets a big enough pot of money unless he writes a $400 million check. john: thus far we have no , indication he will do that. and if you look at the way he is running this so far, he does not have in-kind contributions. mark: during another part of that conversation, mark lasry the democrat said this about trump's gift tactics and about the unconventional candidate's fundraiser. >> you have to look at this and say, this is the way everyone else has done this area there is -- has done this, and there is a time of history, and the answer to that when you are not able to do it is to say, hey, we are

different, and maybe you are right. maybe you're going to be able to do all of the things you say you will do, and you do not need the money because it is irrelevant, and if you are right, you will start writing a new chapter. i would argue that that is so far off, how will you end up winning this nomination, that i think it is great. mark: so obviously, that is a , pretty good presentation of what democrats are saying now, trump canhat -- that say unconventional but you need , a certain amount of money to be competitive. john: look. it is clearly the case the donald trump was able to and wishes relatively weak fractured field of republicans by feasting on free media coverage. i understand why mark lasry disparityight now the of spending on advertising and feels comforted by the fact that

that disparity will probably narrow but maybe not narrow much over the next few months. mark: very tough for democrats and republicans to see how this works. but if trump can get the polls closer, they may accept the fact that he sibley does not need as much money, and he does not have as much time to spend raising money at this point. john: when we come back, i deeper dive into those speeches by donald trump and hillary clinton today. we will break them down after this quick break. ♪

♪ mark: joining us now from washington, from msnbc, kasie

hunt. they are both big speeches but also grappling the other side. kasie: i felt that for the first time today, we had both sides acting almost like traditional presidential campaigns, the first time i feel like it is -- has been the case in this fledgling general election campaign be going -- campaign going on. i think that clinton was prepared ahead of trump's after, they were --y quick with the 15 live lies, they identified in his speech. news organizations were also fact-checking trump. and, the trump people reacting to hillary clinton and a more aggressive way than usual. and you saw clinton herself respond directly to trump's speech in a way that suggests

they will be willing to play with him in this more aggressively than we initially thought. john: we also saw today, an interview, a c-span interview with bernie sanders, came out , today, really interesting interview. talk about that interview. kasie: i know, bernie sanders committed news, i was so surprised. i loved that he had his first -- he picked c-span for his first interview after essentially losing to hillary clinton. it was a very bernie sanders decision, and he said he acknowledged finally that he does not expect that he will be the democratic nominee. he also laid out directly the things he wants and expects, both sides are negotiating, he expects to have a spot at the convention, and wants to share the health committee in the next senate. so taken together though, i felt like this was a significant and concrete step in the direction of him eventually supporting

hillary clinton. and of course, now he has scheduled that speech for new york for tomorrow, so i would not be surprised to see him go further than he has in that set of remarks. mark: earlier today you are up on capitol hill when hillary clinton met with the house democrats. that seems from the readouts on both sides to be a supreme lovefest. kasie: that is not an inaccurate way to describe it. it was kind of a celebration. she got a gift for her new grandson from nancy pelosi, they were making fun of congressman how much you wanted to be hillary clinton's vp, and it was there he jocular, a fun time but also ties into where , bernie sanders is now, it is clear that democrats are both united, but very excited about what they have managed to accomplish and are excited about getting behind hillary clinton. if anything, the only thing that anyone seemed unhappy about was

the idea that she was not going to come to all 50 of their states and campaign for them. obviously a lot of these house , numbers have interest in seeing her show up in places that might not make sense during a presidential campaign. john: we talked about the brent scowcroft endorsement, is that it is a big deal that he is going to vote for her. do you have a feel that this is just the first of similar endorsements they will roll out when trump tries to go on offense against them? kasie: my sense is that the clinton campaign has all the way a long been keeping up with careful conversations of people who fit into this category of description, and i do not think it is just national security types necessarily. it applies to donors in some cases, as well. but i think they do feel there is an identifiable universe of republicans who are so uncomfortable with donald trump, and, who, frankly have known and , worked with at the clintons for many, many years, who might

be open to this. i think -- when you're listening to people like lindsey graham, he was at an event i covered in washington with joe biden at the center for new american security, and he was trashing trump left and right and had good things to say about hillary clinton. i think you are going to see more of it. mark: kasie, thank you. from the msnbc washington bureau. when we come back, we go back to the center ring with two big speeches from trump and clinton today three we break them down and show you more of them and talk about what was behind the words they used, right after this. ♪

♪ mark: as we have been saying, it was a he said/she said they. in politics. get used to it. hillary clinton and donald trump

both took aim at each other. trump was here in gotham city and clinton held an afternoon rally in north carolina. we are going to talk more about both of those speeches and we're going to start with trump. beginning with from his speech this morning a not-so-subtle appeal to supporters of bernie sanders. mr. trump: we will never be able to fix a rigged system by counting on the same people who have rigged it in the first place. the insiders wrote the rules of the game to keep themselves in power and in the money. that is why we are asking bernie sanders voters to join our movement so together we can fix the system for all americans, so important. mark: so, again i think this may , work for him. i increasingly skeptical he would get many classical bernie

sanders supporters, but people want change and just don't like hillary clinton. that is what he needs in those rust belt states to thrive. john: i have been utterly, totally skeptical that very many if any bernie sanders supporters would and up in trump's column and then we did our national bloombergpolitics poll, which said 55% for hillary clinton and 22% said they were open to voting for trump. 18% for libertarian gary johnson. so trump has been doing the sanders thing for a while. some of it i thought was just to stir up mischief. it is clear that at least there are some sanders voters who be available to him, and this is not crazy what he is doing, whether he can bring them over or not, but some of those independents are not democrats, but there are some who do not like hillary clinton, who thinks she is corrupt, and -- mark: he would win this

narrowly, if he wins it every , vote, targeted. these national polls, interesting as they are, he's not going to get california bernie sanders supporters or new york city bernie sanders supporters. no. he get sanders supporters in ohio, wisconsin new hampshire? , there's some indication that he can and he can play offense rhetorically with this message. i will say it again talking , about change, talking about initial interest. it is a little harder to do when he is doing fundraisers with millionaires and billionaires, but he is trying. john trump spent a good deal of : his speech talking about hillary clinton as secretary of state. mr. trump: in 2009, before hillary clinton was in, it was a different world. was cooperating. iraq was seeing a reduction in violence, believe it or not. syria was under control, iran was being choked by sanctions, egypt was governed by a friendly regime that honored its peace treaty with israel. something very nice, because by

the way, israel has totally been mistreated by the united states. isis wasn't even on the map. fast-forward to 2013. in just four years, secretary clinton managed to almost single-handedly destabilize the entire middle east. john: ok, so there is no doubt, and we have noted all along, the donald trump would go after hillary clinton for her foreign policy and try to link her to the obama administration's record. that was pretty sweeping, and you mentioned factual exaggerations earlier in the show. is that just standard political rhetoric? mark: i don't think any of it is substandard, but it does, i think weaken his case when he is , that broad and sweeping. the problem with that section from a performance point of view is that he has not internalized it. he's too busy reading off the prompter to make it emotional.

i do think he believes it all. i think he does in his bones, but if he continues to give a version of the speech as system speech and gets better at it, i think you will be stronger. -- he will be stronger. john: one of the things that was so good about hillary clinton's speech is you felt like it was the first time she gave it, and the first time out of the gate when she gave it a couple of weeks ago, it felt like she really owned it. she knew what she was doing. she believed it and owned it and knew what she wanted to say. and she said it in the best possible way. this trump still feels like feeling his way along -- i don't with you that he is sincere in his criticism, but he is reading a script. mark: we have seen three of the four pieces. we have seen clinton go after trump very convincingly on his consistency and we have seen trump go after clinton and we have seen trump talk about his foreign-policy. there's a lot of holes in it but we have seen him talk about how

he would be different in some ways. what we have not seen as her go out there and make a robust case in the context of the campaign and say here is why i'm great on on foreign-policy. it has not then as much a part of a brief even her most recent job, and that, i think, will be a fascinating discussion, and i think it will be fully joined only when we get to the actual debates. when those debates occur, it's going to be fascinating to see if trump is ready because we know she will be ready on foreign-policy to defend herself and to go on offense against trump. john: i say this without any partisan orientation whatsoever. she just knows more about the world than he does. she just knows more about this stuff. i'm not saying her foreign-policy record is invulnerable in any way but she has the historical and policy advantage in that argument. mark: and he leaves himself vulnerable in the debates to her charging at him rhetorically and him not having the answer and i

suspect she will try to bait him into some sort of factual situation where he just cannot compete and he will be fact checked. and he needs to get used to that. he has not been fact checked very much. the media will be fact checking him rigorously. john: given the stakes on national security, he makes one big mistake, he makes one big gerald ford mistake, it could all be over. mark: he is under a lot of pressure there. ok up next, we look at hillary , clinton's rebuttal speech focusing on her economic ideas and criticism of donald trump. if you are watching this program on the television, you can listen to us live on the radio and we can be found at bloomberg 99.1 fm. we will be right back. ♪

♪ john: we showed you donald j. trump's pitch to bernie sanders voters. hillary clinton seemed to have a similar goal. while she did not mention him by name, the intended audience was unmistakable. mrs. clinton: too many corporations have embraced policies that favor hedge funds and other big shareholders and top regiment at the expense of their workers, communities, and even their long-term value. they are driven by wall street's obsession with short term share prices and quarterly earnings. it is wrong to take taxpayer dollars with one hand and give

out pink slips with the other [cheers] john: that is hillary clinton talking to those sanders voters. we have been talking about sanders a little bit this show, but do you think that is enough for those sanders voters who are not for her automatically and those who will not be thrown to ar just buy a sanders -- by sanders endorsement? is that enough to make those trust her on the issue of money in politics? mark: i think this issue of money in politics and special interest influence, this will be the test whether donald trump has the skill to define his opponent running for the nomination. i think people are too hard on her in terms of her attitude, towards wall street, but in terms of her ties and special-interest money, there's an opening therefore trump to appeal to not just to send her supporters, but people sick of special influence dominating our politics.

can trump do it? that's a compelling performance. he is going to have to be skillful to confront her with facts that will make that message seem less relevant and more hypocritical. john: what is the likelihood that trump will pick up bernie sanders' call to release the speech is to goldman sachs? at other banks? mark: the only problem is he has not released his tax returns. that did not become the same cause célèbre, so i think it's hard for him to do. john: you really cannot be the candidate for full disclosure when you have not released to her tax returns. mark: they were all talking about the hillary clinton transcripts. so that is something he might be input to go after. john: but he should release is tax returns. the man should release his tax returns. donald trump, release your tax returns. mark: secretary clinton spent some time defending her families

foundation which trump accused of being corrupt. mrs. clinton: attacking a philanthropic foundation that saves and improves lives around the world it's no surprise he , doesn't understand these things. the clinton foundation helps poor people around the world get access to lifesaving aids medicine. [cheers and applause] mrs. clinton: donald trump uses poor people around the world to produce his line of suits and ties. [cheers and applause] mark: so at the form we did today with supporters of clinton and trump, they had a tussle over the foundation. there's no doubt there some defensiveness there on the part of the clintons and there's no , doubt trump thinks this is a huge deal. where do you think that fight ends up? john: i don't know.

it always seems to me the intersection of the clinton foundation, her time as secretary of state, the money that came in from a lot of different sources, that always seems to be a fertile area for investigation. there's been a little bit of that done. "the new york times" has written some pretty damning articles about it. mark: and for all we know, the fbi has told into it. john: i think journalistically, it's an area that would benefit from greater scrutiny and in -- and greater investigation. at this moment, there is nothing that has been the obvious silver bullet trump could fire and prove the charge of corruption, but, it is, again, it depends on -- i have no doubt we will see more stories about it between now and november and it not impossible to me that this could be a significant thing. mark: the critics overstate the extent to which they don't do anything and that it is just a political piggy bank for the clintons but it seems clear , whether there is long raking

or not that there is a case to be made about the clintons co-mingling official business with fundraising, with the foundation but it's another test , of trump's discipline, to make that connection in a way that is understandable and resonant and is new and gets coverage. it requires a lot of discipline and skill and is well short of any kind of discipline. is he more likely tomorrow when he's doing a rally, is he likely to ring member how to talk about that in a specific way or talk , about how much he likes wayne newton? flip, andit is a coin if i had to call it, i would call it for wayne newton. john: we are still relatively early in the days of the general election, but this goes to an issue if he were armed with a properly constructed argument, we did not see that today. what we saw is kitchen sinkism. mark: if george herbert walker bush was talking about hillary

clinton and could talk about the foundation. he would have it nailed. he would have it down. john: up next, democrats stage a dramatic protest on the house floor today. we will tell you about that when we come back. ♪

♪ mark: today on capitol hill, house democrats staged a sit in on the chamber floor to protest the republican unwillingness to hold hearings on gun control in the wake of the orlando e-cig her. joining us now is luke russert. take us through the day. this was not on my radar when i got up. was this a surprise to everyone up there? luke: absolutely.

i can tell you how is sort of came together. over the weekend representative , katherine clark of massachusetts reached at two to john lewis, the civil rights icon and said , we had to do something regarding the inability to get a gun control vote moving toward the house. two of them went down and they wanted to see what they could pull off in the house. they met with a larger group last night and they came up with this idea of staging a sit down -- a sit in on the house floor. blessed by the leadership, and as you guys know on this political insider show there's no filibuster mechanism. , the party in the majority controls the happenings of the floor, so what ended up occurring was when the house went into recess after this sort of mourning banging gavel and saying the pledge of allegiance, john lewis went to the floor and said we need to do something bold, something that brings attention to the cause and horny

-- to cause the members of the house to sit in. mark: have they disrupted is this the majority wanted to get done or is this all symbolic? luke: there were votes scheduled, the usual house votes that have not been able to go forward. the house gop will meet as a conference coming up to figure out what to do about it because the democrats say they will not leave until they are able to get votes on the chris murphy bill that would call for increased background checks, as well as the dianne feinstein -- if you are on the terrorist watch list, you should not be able to purchase a gun. the no-fly/no by -- buy. this is not sanction. the only video feeds we were periscoping.rs'

but there's no official record. they used pirated images and video. it has taken social media by storm. no bill, no break. it is quite a wild thing to see. in seven years, i've never seen anything like it. i spoke to ed markey, senator from massachusetts, who has been on capitol hill for 40 years. he has never seen anything like it, so they have certainly struck a chord. john: wargame it out. what do you think this is? is this going to go on another 24 hours? 36 hours? what? luke: i don't think they expected it to get this much attention, especially on a day when donald trump is giving a speech, and hillary clinton was meeting with the house. maxine waters of california will freeze over

before she leaves the floor if they do not get a vote on begun control amendment. i would argue that it's easier for the house gop to take these gun votes because i have the largest majority than they have for years. it is a very conservative body. it's not a big deal to put this forward in some component in some already existing bill but , seems they don't want to give because ryan is basically saying we cannot let the minority party just hijack the house floor when are the minority. i think now they feel invigorated, and i think they will spend until the early hours here, unless ryan comes out and says, ok, we will move on something for you. luke, thank you. a pretty interesting story. ryannk he is right that

cannot give in, because that would allow the minority, whenever they did not like what was going on, effectively, to take over by saying, we are just going to sit on the floor until you give us our way. >> it's a real test for paul ryan. it's a test against the other party and some of his own. there's a couple of interesting elements and one is this the beginning of the obama administration, the shooting of -- in tucson, gabby gifford, sandy hook, charleston, but everything else, and to figure out there is something we can do. john lewis, democrats holding hands, it's incredibly poignant and it is an incredibly poignant time, but why now, and one ever before? but it is good in the immediate rollout for hillary clinton, it takes attention from donald trump bashing her and gives an opportunity for her.

and it happens to come on a day when she is actually popping through to make a visit to hill democrats before she goes back out on the road. john: so what do you think about that? it was the first they were it felt like two a traditional presidential campaigns kind of running in traditional ways, and that is completely unexpected thing pops up and throws everything off kilter. this kind that, what of does to the overall narrative of the day. >> we knew clinton was going to be meeting with the democrats and also giving her speech in raleigh. we knew that the president was going to be signed this bipartisan bill on epa regulations at the white house, where you saw many democrats who could be very influential, nancy pelosi rushing between the hill meeting and the white house and it her presentation,

is not if it wasn't coordinated, entirely clear how much coronation there is. if it wasn't coordinated,with the clinton campaign, other than last moment, hey, we're going to do this it shows how much , potential they would to get together and leverage the white house and hill clintons and clinton if they could play , nicely together and work well together. mark: folks at the white house and josh earnest seemed pretty please by the aggressive of this. are they going to rely on their allies or may the president engage in some campaigning to move this kind of legislation? >> that is kind of the $64,000 question. in the last years, he has tried to calibrate whether him getting personally involved would screw it up more for the democrats. his goal at this point, in addition to getting another democrat elected, is to actually get things done. he will get credit whether he was involved or not. it works, he will have his hands on it. if not, no. mark: thank you very much.

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