♪ announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." tom friedman is here. he is a three-time pulitzer prize winner and a columnist of the new york times. he is known for tackling big ideas and wide-ranging subjects from foreign policy to globalization to the role of technology. recently, he turned his focus to the 2016 presidential election. the british vote leave the european union, and the applications of emerging technologies. for all those reasons, i am pleased to have tom friedman back at this table.

comes out in november with this one as the title. ,thank you for being late finding a job, running the country, and keeping your head in an age of's acceleration." tom friedman: the title comes from meeting people at breakfast in washington dc over the past couple of years, and then 15 or 20 minutes late, they say, i am sorry, it was the traffic. one day, i spontaneouslsaid to them, actually, charlie, thank you for being late. because you were late, i was eavesdropping on their conversation. --onnected to ideas that was two ideas that i was struggling with, thank you for being late. people start to get into it and they say, you are welcome. what i was sort of doing was giving myself and them permission to be late, to slow down, sit back and reflect. charlie: this is a brief against

speed. tom friedman: it really is, but in an age of acceleration. the core theme of the book is that we are in the middle of three nonlinear accelerations, all at the same time, the three largest forces on the planet, which i call the market, mother nature, and murphy's law. every 20s will double months, we put it on a graph, we know what it looks like. it looks like that, it looks like a hockey stick. mother nature, we put it on it graph, it looks like a hockey stick. and trade, not just trade, that is actually down. facebook, twitter, whatsapp, these things are flowing. you put them monograph, it looks like a hockey stick. so we are in the middle of actually three accelerations all a time, each feeding off the other. globalization, globalization drives climate change, and more solutions to both of them. -- i expect these

are changing the world, transforming and reshaping everything. there reshaping politics, geopolitics, there reshaping the workplace, and there reshaping our ethical and let -- and moral choices. charlie: so the table asked me to invite you to come here. once the book was published. tom friedman: the table set i will be here, ok? there is only one place to come talk about a book seriously, and that is the table. charlie: put that in the context, because it is a big idea, of starting the 20 16th election. -- 2016 election. tom friedman: let's talk about the geo and political impact. with these accelerations, they are actually exploding these states, and exploding the politics. what do i mean? there is a whole set of states

whose borders are primarily straight lines. these are artificial states, more propped up by the cold war. you had to's were powers for money at them. there was no china, no robots. the cold war was a good time to be [indiscernible] now you take all of that away, climate change is here, much more population, china can take all your low-wage labor. what you see is a lot of these states can't make it. somehow we shift over, we rock some different cells, you go through these different states, the borders with straight lines are artificial. they are like caravan homes in a trailer park. they are built on a slab of cement with no foundation. are,these accelerations air like a hurricane going through a trailer park. i have been to niger and senegal. all these weak states, they are basically being exploded by these forces. what they are doing is -- charlie: they have no institution of government, no

law. by friedman: they get through the cold war. they send them money, that is all gone. what is gone on the one hand, that is changing the geopolitics . a new divided the world, because of these collapsing states, is no longer he's-west, north-south. of order the border and disorder. the dividing line is the mediterranean. you have tens of thousands of people trying to get out of the world of disorder stretching from afghanistan basically to malim, across the mediterranean across the mediterranean into the nearest world of order, which is europe. the strong states, it is stressing out their politics, because their political parties, everyone -- their political parties are designed to answer questions of the cold war industrial revolution, and the new deal. thesew do you respond to accelerations, what they are doing to your climate,

globalization, trade impact, and your workplace? because these parties really in't answer those questions the way they are presently constructed, they are blowing up. republicans went first, because it were the least reality-based. they have gotten the most distant from reality on things like climate and whatnot. you see what is going on some of both british parties are blowing up. because, i think, let me connect this to another point i make. when you are in the middle of climate change, you want resilience. that is what you want, resilience to resist this. so i thought about that in the book. by interview about resilience in the face of climate change? that i realized, i know a woman. she is 3.8 million years old, her name is mother nature, and she has dealt with more climate changes than anyone. i interview mother nature. i say, how do you do with climate change? she says tom, i incredibly

adaptive. incredibly -- i love pluralism. 20 different species. i am incredibly sustainable, everything is food, eat, poop, food, seed. ever i see an opening, where plant or animal is perfectly adapted, i believe in ownership. when an ecosystem is in balance, it owns that space. highly resilient to invasive species. the republican party let the garden grove. and she says, i believe in bankruptcy. there is a great manufacturer in the sky, and i take energy from there. thatgument is that parties mirror those attributes, they are the ones that will thrive in the ages expiration. what does it mean politically? that is why my own politics, i know we talked about once, i am a nonpartisan issue missed. what i mean by that is, i am not

for a third party. who wants to be a third-party between these day old parties? i'm a fourth party. politics, i am to the left of bernie sanders on a lot of issues. in this age of acceleration, we need to strengthen safety nets, under -- i getit rid of all corporate taxes, and i really change the whole struct -- tax structure. there is a tax on sugar, carbon. we got to get radically entrepreneurial over here in order to pay for, i think, we have to have better safety nets and trampolines in this age of acceleration over here. why can't the parties? be have to be ready to agile. what does mother nature do? she lets things coevolved that should evolve. flowers.ees and

these parties cannot do that. nevernie sanders, you can be for unleashing entrepreneurship. you can only be for a safety net. if you are a wall street editorial page, you are not interested in safety nets, only entrepreneurial spirit. these parties for raising money, and identity and station identification, need to have that very defined features let things coevolved the weight nature does, which is what we have to do to manage the acceleration. charlie: we have gridlock. tom friedman: we have gridlock, and worse than that, we see parties collapsed, basically. charlie: and in the democratic party -- tom friedman: the republicans when first because they were like an untended party, basically. and donald trump was an invasive species that came in, because the gardens went fallow. to everd out himself could energize their base. so sarah palin or whoever came along to energize their base so

they could get elected in order to be in power to get elected. ,hey completely lost their way and my view. if a party can declare moral bankruptcy, they would be question1, there is no in my mind. the democrats broken up in a certain way too. bernie sanders is essentially independent. now we see the british labour party and the tories both blowing up. i think we are at the beginning of an incredible reshaping. charlie: you think it will be the reshaping to lead to fourth parties, people who try to build a new constituency? tom friedman: i think we are in the beginning of that. these accelerations are the heart of what is going on now. if you don't design policies that give the best out of them and pushed out the worst, you will not survive. charlie: who is going to do what, who is in fact in touch with the age of acceleration? you suggested people get it. tom friedman: what i dead, it

has been fun talking to them -- what i did, it has been fun talking to mutual friends. charlie: mother nature is one. tom friedman: she is a good friend of both of ours. i talked about the universal law chapter, i took the computer, and it physically said, the computer has five parts. storage, sensors, a camera. it has got networking, software. what i want to do is really go i kind of built each section around a person. around dougof built cutting, the founder of duke, which is been apprised over a big data. -- a prime mover of big data. sourceinn struck, open commercial software. the network is built around storage,obs, and the

the sensing of built around general electric. and my view is all five of these, charlie, kind of melded together, right around 2007 into something we call collateral. but i never used the term collateral because it sounds so soft, so benign. a joni mitchell song. this is what microsoft calls a supernova. big releaseredibly of energy. energy in the hands of human beings, it is one of the greatest ever. it has changed the power of one, one person can do now to make things are break things, like never before. charlie: like orlando. tom friedman: the change the machine. it changed the power of many. we, as a collective, are now a force of nature.

we have a geological prophecy being named after us. a man named in a geological era, we are defining it so much. and the power flows, ideas now flow and circulate. at a pace and scale we have never seen before. redck obama was elected, a -- he was elected running saying marriage is between a man and a woman. solid for sore long are now melting at a pace we have never seen before. charlie: i think about that statement by ash carter i'm a trans-genders in the military. carter, trans-genders in the military. somehow they are rebuilding the body of politics. that forces politicians. tom friedman: you know the kennett -- you know the confederate flag? flying over north carolina for so many years, and one guy shoots up a black church, and it is gone.

just gone. of power, they are really reshaping the world. it is going to require us to reshape laws, regulations. charlie: the age of acceleration is happening. on the other hand you have conflict and release, which is as old as time itself. and you are suggesting that it is not so much over there. it is not so much all the institutional divides. run, saudi versus i versus shia. yield conflicts are not going away at all. they will get sharper because these people are fighting over shrinking [indiscernible] winfast gets faster, slow is really slow. flow is moving, you start to move behind, you really fall behind. so that is what is terrifying to

me. the tragedy of syria has so many dimensions to it, but when is simply syria kids have not been in school for five years. in an age where death already has two iterations -- charlie: [indiscernible] tom friedman: so how we manage this, one of the big dilemmas we have, this widening world of disorder. we have it in terms of latin america. they are not usually one that got refugees. we got this in [indiscernible] over 50,000 are from honduras and guatemala, where parents set their kid out of the world of disorder to our island of order. we got over 50,000 refugees who basically walked, bike, hike from eritrea and ethiopia. it has been a big problem, they don't know to do with it. they come in, they are trying to pay them to leave, but wherever there is an island of order, people from the world of disorder are coming.

this is the great migration. history,lier period of material power would have come in. alexander the great, the british, the french. but today, no one wants to come in. there was a time -- so we are in a time where we have never been. this widening disorder, a highly interdependent world, nobody wants to come in and lay hands on it. ♪

♪ [please stand by] charlie: because they are also finding limits to their own power. building something -- [speaking simultaneously] tom friedman: that is why i said the central, and what about in the chapter on geopolitics, the centro geopolitical question of our time is, what do you do when the necessary is impossible? the impossible if necessary? we know that relationship building is possible. if you don't do it, in the old days, what would happen? somebody would get a live concert in the park, they say, we took care of the profits. on the refugee trail, two months ago, they don't want any live concerts. and they have a c4 -- they have a cell phone. they are in desperate straits, and they are going to come. it is a big problem. charlie: it also propel the arab spring. tom friedman: all these same

forces. charlie: they knew there was a better life somewhere. they wonder why the government stood in the way of a better life. tom friedman: these are young people who realize they live in the context or they could not live their full potential. charlie: we go straight to american politics and then back to the middle east. donald trump, how do you explain the phenomenon? notwithstanding he had a bad month, look at the polls. tom friedman: people tell us a couple things. charlie: 4240. tom friedman: that tells you the depolymerization in our country between democrats and republicans. no matter who wins -- who runs. it is a depolymerization -- deep polarization. and i will never have my kid marry a republican -- that is crazy. obviously, there are a number of people who, in this age of

acceleration, are finding it hard to keep up. they feel deeply let down by politics, politicians have not told them the truth, they have not, but the right remedies. charlie: and they think politicians are taking care of everybody but them. in terms of finding opportunities, giving them a sense of participation in the country. i reflected a lot about this personally. i always been for free trade, more trade agreements. i was infected by a study that came out from m.i.t. and others that showed how in china, they joined the wto in 2001. they are a certain very specific set of communities in the country. they were really devastated by that. saying,ike you were when you do have retraining programs, help for these people. but it didn't, we did not really deliver. charlie: we did not retrain, we did not do a range of things.

there was no commitment in washington. gridlock. tom friedman: so what happens, basically, there is a giant acceleration around 2007, and then 2008 came along, we were looking the other way. got the great recession. washington went into total deadlock. so the conveyor belt suddenly spread up. -- sped up. in that disjunction, you have a lot of trouble. charlie: as technology has moved forward on them, taken from you, politics, technology has moved forward in the age of acceleration. government has not been able to keep up. we are in this place where this is going here, and government, for all kinds of reasons, whether it is gridlock, new dilemmas and problem-solving necessary, has not addressed some of the moral and ethical questions as well as reality of the whole new range of people have new powers. including them is productivity

and efficiency which means there is a digital disruption in communities around the world. tom friedman: and is going on everywhere. 5% ofo know, just under unemployed people are getting work. law enforcement know that as well. advertising,world i went with the new york times. charlie: telling the times. tom friedman: it was so interesting to me, all this talk was about how to do it, blend virtual reality into [indiscernible] ,f you want to be a marketer one of the first questions, you apply for a job in the ad department in the new york times, they will say, are you up to speed on [indiscernible] mean -- news is -- i charlie: i know what virtual reality is. is, newdman: the point

jobs are being spun off all the time. but there is one common denominator, they all require more skill. and they all required you to learn and relearn. and that is really [speaking simultaneously] -- charlie: it is harder the older you are. tom friedman: a lot of people are caught in that dilemma. charlie: is that is what is propelling the trump -- tom friedman: it is all part of it. it is not any one thing. it is a reaction to the political crisis. we see it on college campuses. anything as big as trump that comes out of left field has to -- economic disruption, political correctness, frustration. charlie: and with the brexit, he has made it an anti-globalization crusade as well. tom friedman: which is crazy. say, and and i used to a connected world, the dumbest thing you can do is disconnect. the connection is not going to

go away. if you are on google, globalization is dead, that is if globalization since 2001 -- these things are going to keep going. whether a channel or will be done. the question is, do you mock this? want to stop facebook from adding users, stop twitter, stop google, i don't think so. these things will drive the flow. the question is, to me make them work for us? charlie: the people that work google and amazon and microsoft and apple, the most powerful people in the world? tom friedman: they are pretty powerful. charlie: they are at the center of change. tom friedman: they are changed. they have these giant platforms where, if you want to have a skill for your voice, you really need to leverage it. charlie: you learned to leverage or not. let me go -- you learn how to leverage or not. let me go to donald trump.

whatever the forces that put him in the position, he is one of the two people most likely to be president of the united states, a very powerful job. do you find him prepared, equipped? woody handle the job? all that? tom friedman: from every thing i have heard him say, i would say he's the least prepared person to run for president in my lifetime. in this sense, charlie. you could have any position you want in globalization. i have no problem with that. before whatever you want. but just tell me you did your homework. tell me you exit studied the issues, you really understood them. us, weout china raping tested that out in a focus group. charlie: make sure your focus group doesn't stand in contrast to your practice. tom friedman: and also just the facts.

if, i got no problem with bernie skeptic on a globalization. i feel like he has earned it, a lifelong position that he studied the issues from his point of view, whatever. he is not a billionaire who has actually been buying the lowest cost global producer for everyone of his hotels. exactly. that is troubling, i think. charlie: why are you to the left of bernie sanders? health care? tom friedman: i would expand the earned income tax credit. i would have wage insurance. -- people that get caught up for trade, exactly. i think if you lose your job to trade, funded through the government. it would pay in. charlie: people with insurance can figure that out. no corporate tax. tom friedman: i would also shift our medicare tax to something -- i would pay for medicare out of vat.

be,ally think there should not the idea original to me, but people should see if you have a vat, and this goes to medicare, people understand there is a connection between them. i would keep social security, that payroll, because it is important people feel -- charlie: is a donald trump shows some flex ability with certain areas, and social security is one of them. tom friedman: where she has been a pioneer, he said the old mix of what is meant to be a republican is no longer serving our party. i will mix up the deck. what he did was simply, what are the biggest hotspots, i will mix them up together? strategicn seeking hell. this is what is troubling about the republican party in general. they are all of our party to some degree. what world am i living in? a world defined by

accelerations. how do i get the most academic push from the worst? you don't have that feeling from the party. there is the same answer, same thing, cut taxes. charlie: the democrats have been best at it. tom friedman: on climate, they have been much better. totally. charlie: is that the biggest threat to humankind? or is it nuclear -- tom friedman: the biggest threat to humankind today is the growing power of one. one person with an assault rifle. one person with a suitcase with a little bit of radioactive or some virus. what worries me is the growing power of one. i have been worried about isis from the very beginning. i never thought they were a joke team, as president obama thought. they were wickedly smart, a bad combination. they can get their hands on

something, a terrible virus, people would burn up our in a cage, systematically rape women, they would do anything. charlie: no sense of consequence. tom friedman: done whatsoever. that is true. is it, and i have a couple answers, if that is true, why is it imperative for the world community whether it is muslim,america, arab, to see this danger for what it well, put they say, 150,000 troops on the ground to do it -- you have to be conscious if you do it, you know what comes next. your got to have the whole answer to those questions. but is that reasonable question to ask? tom friedman: i think when you are touching on, and i find moving i find myself

toward that in my own position. moving to what you are talking about, let me explain. seven's ago, i started to look at this isis ring. -- thing. i had supported the president on syria, not to get involved. i did not see a pathway or a partner or whatever. seven months ago, i changed in this sense that i don't know what the right answer is, but all i know is, and what i argued was, what is happening in syria, the hemorrhaging of so many refugees, not only to the neighboring states but to europe , is going to destroy the eu. and the eu is a huge strategic -- not only the tragedy of these refugees, but the eu is another center of democratic capitalism in the world. it is our wing man in the room. if the eu fractures, america will be less -- charlie: are beginning to see that? tom friedman: yes. charlie: what other countries might fall, and after that the eu? the eu was the

other united states. it is united states and europe. on the share values, they believe in liberty and civil rights and human rights. on free markets and free people. and the support those values. ,o you lose the eu, americans latin america, people do anything if they read about it. americans will do anything for the eu except read about it. i wrote a poem about it six months ago, i said, you should call it trumps european union so i could pull on the search engine. so are you still reading or listening to me talk about the eu? the eu is really important. you don't want to give out. so i don't have answers, i am totally humble about that. we should be putting more effort in to finding some way to stocks that wound. now we are coming to it. head.ssolving in my own

it we have got this widening world of disorder, libya, syria, yemen, we have got to get the .orld of order to collaborate that means china, russia, the europeans and us in particular, canada -- i don't know what the answers are. i'm not ready to call for some invasion. we have got to do something, because this isis thing is metastasizing in ways that these people will not stop, charlie. at just the suicide vests. it is not morals that are stopping them, it is simply access to bigger weapons. living in anre ideal, ideology, whatever it is, that they are willing to not only do anything but sacrifice their lives in the process. tom friedman: you go back to, what do you do when the necessary is impossible and the impossible is necessary? that is the issue the next president will face. to fail, -- i think it is the

worst time in the world to be doing foreign policy. i pity anyone doing this. charlie: when you look back at israel, the defense minister came here. i thought he was at the very right of israeli politics. he is left. resting big of the whole prime minister. tom friedman: the whole spectrum has moved there. charlie: what is happening? tom friedman: because, well i speak for myself. charlie: you read about the affairs of marine le pen? tom friedman: what is totally missing for friends of israel in this country, two things. where the creativity, where the imagination to how to find a way to work. charlie: they are developing their own tech community, health care. there was a whole range of things. pioneering -- tom friedman: what is

unconscionable is an israeli -- and is really government that continues to build settlements in the areas that, if there is ever to be a palestinian state, that is where would be. you want to build more settlements in those areas that people think israel retains? not my cup of tea, but people will understand it. you continue to build in settlements that will make a two state solution impossible, and you really ask, what are you doing? charlie: is not always a one or two state solution, he does really want to stay in power as long as he can stay in power. tom friedman: the man who is forever dog paddling in the middle of the stream. charlie, i am coming, i am coming. i am coming to your side. but he is just dog paddling. -- lie: tom friedman: we should start referring to him as the pragmatist or of israel-palestine, because that is what he is.

he is the prime minister of a de facto united state. charlie: is that apartheid? it is a bad word, but -- tom friedman: whatever it is, if you care about a democratic -- yet israel, it has a jewish character and israel that is in the egypt homeland, it is bad news. it will have a bad end. question we expect from the arab world, which we expect from the muslim world? when they look around, all those having to do with, everyone does not have to do this, but there is a multiplicity of opinion in the muslim world, the multiplicity of the opinion in the christian world and hindu world and other places. tom friedman: isis is an ideology. it is not a total [indiscernible] , havehat a lot of people the ideology.

i have to come to terms with. there is a lot of denial. this is somehow some freak thing. this is coming out of some very central things believed by people. this is an extreme version. it is not an extreme outlier. if you have two trends going on in saudi arabia, one is very healthy. that is the new deputy crown al-selmat. mmed i think the guy is for real, he understands that have gone through a fifth of their financial reserves in one year. any privatization, the need to create jobs and get their budget under control. that would be a good trend. and they are no longer saying we are reforming, going five miles per hour. charlie: like singapore? tom friedman: what he is trying to do is a good thing, and you no longer feel it is the place they are. charlie: can he win that battle? tom friedman: that is the

challenge. can he deliver is the challenge. they are also in with the images of this side. the religious establishment there has traditionally promoted ideas that are deeply intolerant . intolerant of women, other faiths, other forms of islam. charlie: there was a bargain with randy royal family and -- know, thean: you iranians don't help. they are mucking around in beirut, in damascus and in baghdad. there are studies who would tell you, are we invading -- are we effectively running this government? it is not like they have clean hands either. all i know is, charlie, if they don't get drafted, the iranians and the saudi's, find some way to stop fighting over who will properiroper he to the -- heir to the proper mohammed

from the seventh century, mother nature will kill them all. charlie: is not that what is obama suggested to them? tom friedman: there was tough love by obama, and he is right. charlie: he has got less than six months. tom friedman: in general, i think he has navigated a really difficult time pretty well. --?lie: but you now believe tom friedman: on syria, he has not shown enough imagination. charlie: he has learned a lesson he thinks that he knows better, because of the experience he has seen, because of perhaps the advice he is getting from his military, or everett might be? -- wherever it might be? constructive criticism of what he has been doing, he seems to be maintaining a hard-line against those arguments, whether

it is the red line or whether it is -- tom friedman: i have enormous sympathy with obama on foreign policy. i would not want to make a lot of these decisions. he saysympathy and when he is a genius and everybody else is an idiot. charlie: is that what he said? tom friedman: that foreign policy blog on the atlantic times. charlie: i know he was talking about the eu. i am making the nation you are a part of the foreign policy conversation in washington. tom friedman: inx live very humble now to these challenges. i think he should be too. i really respect when he is. there are no good choices. where i have come to, there are no good choices. it is not an option you ignore, i don't believe that. where i am coming through because of the threat of isis and the expanding threat of isis, i am coming to a point where we have to make a bad choice. will find some way to

galvanize a coalition, because this is going to be a problem. this right is metastasizing in ways that we don't seem to have the answer for. charlie: because of the power of one, driven by -- tom friedman: religious ideology. and they are weakening. charlie: thank you for coming. we cannot wait for the book, can we? it will be out from a 22. thank you for being late, finding a job, running a country, and keeping your head in an age of eight of exhilaration. you better get your order in now. ♪

♪ this will begin ballet lessons at just three years old and her native north carolina, and she is so proud about that. she left for duke university on a scholarship. we are proud about that. for nearly a decade, she served as senior executive at lincoln center for the performing arts. she was appointed executive director of american ballet theater in january. last year, the company celebrated its 75th anniversary and made history with the as theon of this woman first african-american female dancer. i am pleased to have her at the table the very first time. she will be here many times,

because she will teach me not had to death but had to appreciate dance. >> thank you very much, thrilled to be here. charlie: how was abc? >> abc is phenomenal. it is a dream job for me, but just the most remarkable arts organization on the planet. charlie: why is that? so manyreasons, we have organizations. i am in all of the 90 dancers like the privilege to work for, support what they do out there of the day. missy is one, as you mentioned. charlie: she was at the table, and made believers out of everybody. >> there are so many incredible stories in the company, artists on that stage. they have been working since they were three, far more talented than i in that art form. so anything that i get to do, every single day, to just elevate what they do, amplified when they do, is my privilege. but you had an

interesting kind of experience. i hope you will talk about some of it. why do you think you are the right person at the time for them? >> i think a few reasons. as the american ballet theatre celebrates the 75th and turns it cites to the future, i think that future has many different facets to it. it certainly builds on this tradition, but what is next? what is next for the art form, ask for the company? having been not just at lincoln center, which is a tremendous arts institution, but my last role at lincoln center was building out the international pamphlet at lincoln center, and what does it mean to the american ballet theater to be cultural ambassadors, to represent the country? charlie: it is her present a diff of the culture. >> ballet, not relying on language, just the language of human bodies moving through space, that really can translate across borders and boundaries

here in this country and around the world. charlie: we always ask about jazz, withusic, with ballet. we ask this about certain art forms. what is the trend? how many young people are attracted to be enthusiastic about ballet >>? >>the trend seems to be very positive in ballet. we have younger audiences than many other classical art forms. part of that, you have a lot of people that train in ballet. so they show up the performance -- for the performances with their parents. they say, i want to see pros. and social media and some of the with the that we have misty phenomenon is bringing younger audiences. people who are not traditional ballet audiences. is brought thee ballet meant to stream -- conversation into the mainstream. ballets the last time a

dancer sat down with the president of the united states? charlie: exactly. at the same time, she has shared her struggles. it was not easy. >> for many dancers, missy's story is so inspirational, not only for dancers, for anyone that wants to achieve something that perhaps seems out of reach are they are told is out of reach or seems like a distant possibility. in fact, talentless hard work, grit, determination, all of that can add up to a success story like that, it is not just resonant in the ballet world, number -- resident no matter what you want to achieve. charlie: there is this performance clip, this is a misty in reviewing juliette. here it is. ♪

charlie: how could you not love that? kara: clearly, clearly i do. it is probably my favorite ballet. charlie: because of the love?

kara: there is something that it , the so youthful exhilaration of romeo and juliet in the first act when they first meet, love at first sight. in shakespeare's iambic penama to better is one thing, the poetry we all know by heart. to see it play out on their faces, and the arch of a foot, there is something else that makes me catch my breath every time. charlie: pretty good ambassador for ballet. at the same time, the open would have been a glaring minutia of african-american dancers. this is a positive role model to influence people. kara: i could not a group -- agree more. she is a tremendous role model. trying to address diversity in classical ballet is something that my predecessor was very focused on, mckenzie the artistic director, we are very committed to it.

we are committed to it at all levels. the youngest kids in the children's division and across the country, working with boys and girls club's. the administration, what the administration looks like in classical ballet, what do the teachers look like in classical ballet? all of that feeds up to what the principal dancers look like. charlie: what is the relationship between the executive director, you, and the courageous character? -- creative director? kara: the creative director of the american ballet theater is mckenzie, and we are partners. it is a dance, like the images you saw earlier. charlie: do you choose the artistic director? kara: no, kevin has been there for 40 years, i have been there for about two months. we both report to the board of directors. charlie: so the board of trustees would choose the director? kara: exactly, and we collaborate to produce this. charlie: has dance been a lifelong love affair for you?

kara: it has in that it was the first art form i knew intimately, had that ballerina dream, any little girl has. time, i trained seriously. i was never at the level of the dancers we have at american ballet theater. dancing 40 hours a week in high school. in high school. after that, it was how can i keep the arts in my life? that was my first peter, after my time at duke. i was working on broadway and off-broadway. i would always make sure that during the month of may and june, i was at the center watching american ballet theater. when i was working at lender center just lincoln center, you are not allowed to have favorite children because of all of the art forms, but i probably saw more ballet than anything else. charlie: what did you get out of harvard business goal that is applicable to the world you are in now?

kara: i think i'm in a business case every day. solving problems, thinking strategically, and also just being a bridge, having the ability to communicate between the business world, which we need so desperately, in order to run our business, in order to attract thousands of dollars you are talking to in the world of , and trying to take what we do as the artistic mission, to marry it that. so we can have the resources in place so we can to even figure artistic risks, so we can advance that mission, appellate forward. still --is the company bolshoi still a big company in washington? kara: it is. and then the royal ballet, the paris ballet, and the american company is what i admire and love to see when i come to town performing. do high schools now

have, does belly have a presence in high school? kara: not enough. it would be wonderful if there was more dance training at all ages. ballet and other dance forms, very important for young people to know how to move. and i wish also that some ballet history in just forming arts history in general, cultural history was a part of what we learned in school. it is probably not enough, but the more that we can do digitally, the more we can .robably reach young people educate them. charlie: you can translate what happens on stage to a small screen, a mobile app, wherever it might be? kara: hopefully wherever you might be. charlie: is there an app course? kara: not yet, but stay tuned. you have to have some experiences, as far as, you see that with misty copeland. you want to try it, you want to try to dance. response to what

you see. i wish there were more ways for young people to try it out. charlie: thank you for coming. kara: thank you very much for having me. it is so nice to see you. a privilege and an honor to be here. charlie: i look forward to coming. kara: please do. thank you. please do. charlie: thank you for joining us, see you next time. ♪ >> i am donny deutsch.

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