>> i'm john heilemann. i'm mark halperin "with all due respect" to donald trump there's no wall that can keep this out. >> i don't want mosquitoes around me. i don't like mosquitoes. john: lot to cover tonight. james comey was grilled over several hours by the republicans. comey's recommendation, not to charge hillary clinton for the way she handled classified information on her e-mail server. for more than four hours, he answered questions about the bureau's year long

investigation. which republicans say helped -- held clint -- clinton and lower standard. comey was cool and confident. he gave virtually no ground to critics of his view of the case. republicans main line of attack was not the clinton should have been indicted, although they mentioned that quite a bit and frustrated by comey on that point. but, what they harped on was this. clinton was not entirely truthful in her past statements about her e-mails including under oath. the chairman of the committee, republican from utah, he was going to send her referral to the fbi to investigate clinton's testimony which she gave under oath during the benghazi committee hearing. >> did you look at the clinton foundation? >> i'm not going to comment on the existence or nonexistence of any other investigations. >> was the clinton foundation tied into this investigation

>> i'm not going to answer that. mark: that was a mom shell. when -- that is one thing republicans have really seized on. the other thing, they seized on is his question of clinton's truthfulness. john, overall, how did comey do? how did the republicans do and what is the bottom line now for hillary clinton? john: i will answer briefly. comey gave a master class in how you go up to capitol hill and deal with oversight committee hearing. he was calm, cool and confident and collected. authoritative. i thought republicans can do incredible job on such short notice. i thought the committee

conducted themselves reasonably well. i don't think they advanced the ball very much politically. i think for hillary clinton this basically concludes the week of indictment. this hearing was in the balance good for her. not bad for her. she is very close to being this behind her. as a legal political matter. mark: i got one big negative to say about come and negative things to say about the republicans. let's take a look bit of look how comey did. which was on balance. for hillary clinton's point of view and own point of view very strong. >> i believe this investigation was conducted consistent with the highest traditions of the fbi.

there are two things that matter in a criminal investigation of a subject. what did the person do and when they did that thing, what were they thinking? we don't want to put people in jail unless we prove that we knew they were doing something they shouldn't do. no reasonable prosecutor will bring a case focused on gross negligence. should have known, muff must -- must have known, you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. mark: comey frustrated republicans. he did almost everything he could to help hillary clinton. it seems. lot of points that he said over and over when pressed, that he couldn't say what kind of pebble -- it could range from dismissal to reproach. he did not give a lot of stuff for republicans to work with. however, he's going around saying today, i want to be transparent. i need to be transparent. he did not take any questions

from reporters again today. he's not being totally straight about things. for instance, the standard going out and talking about this case and talk about the clinton foundation case, i don't get. the biggest criticism is the republican. they only had a day and a half to relationship. but the chairman chose not to waive the rule that limit everybody to five minutes block for questions. there wasn't a democrat on the committee interested in getting any fact. they were there to help hillary clinton. which is pat of the course in washington. no republican with the exception of one or two, got any momentum on questions. a lot of them just wasted their five minute. hillary clinton, i think, won the day. comey helped her a lot and so the republicans who weren't ready. wasn't as bad as benghazi hearing. john: there are other important things we'll talk about. one important thing, at least to my mind, was when comey said he wasn't going to recommend an indictment. he couldn't prove intent.

lot of republicans said that's not the standard under the law. the standard it could be gross negligence under the law. comey had strong responses to that and made good arguments why. he cleared up some things with respect to the markings the alleged classified markings on a small number of e-mails. in a way that both clarifying and politically helpful for the clinton campaign. let's move on here to donald trump. meanwhile, republican presumptive nominee made a rare appearance on capitol hill today. meeting behind closed doors with house and senate republicans. reviews from rank and file house members were mixed about that first meeting in the morning. some like georgia congressman tom price, called trump's pitch a unifying piece. trump's meeting with the senate republicans, came afterwards was apparently somewhat less

collegial. he called out some senator who refused to back his candidacy including arizona jeff flake. who urged trump to stop attacking mexicans. it comes 24 hours after trump said it, devoted to crooked hillary clinton and the rigged system. that's what he said yesterday morning. last night, trump spent long stretches of his rail -- rally in cincinnati of topics of month ceo toe -- mosquitoes. >> i can talk about my grandchildren. jack nicklaus, he's the greatest guy. he's a friend of mine. bobby knight. ladies and gentlemen, president

is going to talk about his grandchildren. i love my protesters. i love sadaam hussein and i hate sadaam hussein. i refuse to use his name. i refuse to call him sleepy eyes. i'm a professional. they love ivanka. he wants bernie sanders for vice president. that's a new one. big don king. newt gingrich will be involved with our government. isn't it nice you don't read from a speech. thank you very much for being here. maybe i'll open it on november 7th. the day before the big day. my boy, i love you. come up erik. my boy. i love relatively thin. the democrats, i don't want mosquitoes around me. i don't like month sees. john: that's night that speech

got mixed reaction from republicans. today trump got mixed reactions from congressional republicans. at this hour, last 12 hours or so, 16 hours, trump helped or hurt his effort to unify the republican party? mark: it's extremely mixed. getting ted cruz and meeting with house republicans and the general rallying around the anti-clinton reality. he's having a good week so far. but the outlier picking fights with republican senators. it's not helpful. if he picked a good running mate, what a good convention and has a good first debate. he'll have all the unity. john: if you look at the reporting coming out on capitol hill, there's no question on balance, he helped himself. the reaction of house members more positive than reaction some of the senate republicans. in terms of the unity project, a good day for trump today on capitol hill. i think his performance last

night, however, just sowed deeper doubts among republicans and probably some of the same congressmen and senators in the meetings today about his ability to do the basic work that any presidential candidate massachusetts to do. which is to maintain some degree of message and talk about the things you should be talking about. that help you get closer to winning the election. he did not do any of that last

night. he has not capitalized on hillary clinton's moment of vulnerability. mark: they have more staff coming on board. they seem clearly still flailing a bit or talking about it. for the right running mate selection. the convention still coming together. trump promise the convention schedule. don't have -- it. all right, hillary clinton, bernie sanders and their unity project continues to move along. they are in talk about the possibility of holding an endorsement event together next week in new hampshire on tuesday. that's the same state where obama and clinton unity was

held. he's doing all right so far. he's had some success on his wish list. he's got education event yesterday and today, sanders done an interview with al hunt, talked about some additional areas of possible consensus. >> what has to be in the platform, we have made real progress. i want to see very specific language about raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour. i believe that in this country, people have worked 40 hours a week, should not be living in portfolio. >> they call for it now in the platform. it has to go further. >> it has to be clear. second of all, i think we need to make sure that the tpp, the transpacific partnership, which is a continuation of disastrous trade policies in the past, which have cost of millions of decent paying jobs. i think we should be very clear in saying that should not come up in the lame duck session. >> senator sanders, that would be a direct slap at barack obama who is the most popular figure and most popular democrat in the party now. i know you're opposed to it. saying i'm sorry, mr. president, you can't bring that up in a lame duck. >> i had the impression we live in a democratic society. mark: sanders full interview with al hunt. you can see it tonight on charlie rose. john, it looks

like hillary clinton is home stretch. she's going to get bernie sanders support from him. where does she stand with the sanders backers now? john: i don't know the an to that question. obviously very loud and raucous group sander supporters that you run out in the world and in social media who seem to be really dead-enders on this question. i think she's done herself a lot of good. certainly with sanders himself. some of the policy proposals and platform language will get her part of the way there. lot is going to come down to how does that endorsement event, how does it go. what do sanders say about her and not just that day and the day after that endorsement. mark: i think also, her running mate and convention choices will be a big deal as well. there are at the love people on the left could be persuaded by

symbolism. if she picks someone further to the left. do they talk? including the clintons ands obama, do they talk about issues that matter to sanders supporters. that event when it will remind sander supporters why a lot of them prefer hillary clinton over donald trump. why they need to rally if they don't like everything about her. john: up next, we'll talk about two police shootings. drawing protest around the country. right after this.

john: two more american citizens involved in fatal shooting of african-american men by white police officers. raising yet again, the emotional debates that have vexed this country over police tactics and accountability and race in america. the first shooting happened tuesday night in baton rouge. videos show police pinning a 37-year-old man alton sterling to the ground and one of the officers seems to pull out the fire his gun. baton rouge police chief that sterling was armed at the time he was killed. justice department opened a civil rights investigation of that case. on wednesday night, another video from suburb of st. paul, minnesota after getting pulled over from a broken tail light. 32-year-old castill. he told the officer that he had a firearm in the glove compartment. joining us now from princeton university is eddie glaude

university professor of religion and african-american studies. professor glaude good to have you. just give us a sense what are we to make of these two shootings and what are the implications of them. seems like this is incredibly familiar thing we're going through once again. >> i think it confirms for us that we have a crisis and policing in this country. that we need to do more than just talk about common sense policing. we need to talk about what's at core of the shootings. it's a set of assumptions about who black people are and it inform fears and how fears are justifications for this kind of behavior. it's very hard to talk about. it's very hard to wrap one's mind around this. for me, it confirms what i've

been arguing and that is there's a value gap at the heart of american society. that value gap is belief that white people matter more than others. we see this over and over again in these sorts of instances. even the minnesota governor said, if there was a white couple in the suburbs of st. paul, that they would still -- the driver would be alive. it's devastating. i'm really angry. i'm trying to manage my emotions because it reflects in some way, that this idea of the precariousness what means to be black in this country, that any time you walk out of your house, you don't know if that's going to be the last time you breathe your last breath. simply because you're black. i'm a professor at princeton. mark: it's been emotional period for everybody. the fact that the video from this morning just so heart breaking. let's focus for a moment on

positive. what is a city or a state or anybody doing that you seen gives you hope best practices out there that people can adopt? >> well, to be honest with you, i'm not in that mode yet. i don't know examples come to mind. i'm still thinking about alston sterling's son and him weeping. i'm thinking about diamond reynolds' daughter, 4-year-old daughter. saying mommy i'm here for you. she finds the resources within herself to console her mother in the face of this tragedy. i haven't tried to reach for examples out there policing. in which we've address or examples that illustrates some police force addressed the

fundamental racist assumptions of policing. i'm trying in some significant way to try to manage what it means to be a father, who's worried about his son. it's something i think i need to say this to you guys and to your public. i don't think it's hard to imagine what it's like for african-americans -- whenever someone they love leaves the house, you have to be concerned they'll come back home. you have to be worried they will come back home. it's like living under a condition of terror from any direction at any time any moment. we heard this in his sister's interview. next moment she's experiencing this. it's haunting public ritual.

i don't have any examples to bring to you of good policing in this country. i'm sure there are. but none come to my mind. john: president obama posted on facebook saying, we need better community policing. is this something that -- is this problem something that's presidential leadership can solve? this got to be a bottom up solution if there's going to be a solution. >> it has to be all of us. from the top and the bottom. i think we have a host of racial habits that orient us in our day-to-day lives that inform our day-to-day decisions that set the concept of these decisions. i think the president can be bolder. even be more forceful. he hasn't for a variety of reasons. reasons that he may know and reasons that i may offer. i think we need to collectively,

to echo james baldwin. we need to collectively look at the ugliness of who we are. honestly and front it. if we're going to ever make change in this country. i'm douseful that -- doubtful that we can do it. i'm hopeful. i'm trying to keep it together guys. mark: good luck with that. obviously we're all filing it. eddie glaude thank you for coming up. coming up, more from donald trump on capitol hill.

mark: with us now regular pal, dan senor republican strategist. i'm wondering what you think of the status of 72 hours of comey's decision to nod recommend indicting hillary clinton. where that leads her and the leaves the race. >> obviously choosing not to indict is a win for hillary. the statement he made yesterday was chockful of material that in any conventional campaign would

be severely problematic. severely damaging for hillary clinton. i still think it could potentially be but far less so because trump has inserted himself into the last 48 hours in a way that is inexplicable to me. lit up a issue whether or not sadaam hussein is a good guy or bad guy. revisiting the jewish star controversy. look, if donald trump were not our nominee and hillary had the last couple of days like she did, our nominee would be up ten points. if hillary were not the nominee

and another democrat the democratic nominee will be up 15 points. we have two very fraud candidates. it's tragic for the republicans we're reminded of another missed opportunity. john: we have a short time before we go to break. let me ask you this, having this house hearing today a good idea or not? >> look, i think that what congress is trying to get into here are legitimate issues including whether or not hillary clinton lied before congress when he she testified in the past. mark: dan thanks. we'll talk more after this. ♪

john: we're back with republican strategist dan senor. also joining us from washington d.c. national review predator eliana johnson with a new story out with ted cruz expanding political operation. we were talking about the comey

meeting. you made a theory that it was a good idea to have the hearing. was it well executed? paul ryan can say my guys did a good job. >> i think the house republicans have legitimate issues they need to address. the hearing is in principle a good idea. these hearings tend to not work well politically. we've seen that in the past. the hearings are not the place to make the political point. if that's what they're trying to do. john: you think on political ground, a big failure? >> i don't think it's a failure. i don't think it moved ball

forward. i don't think it helped hillary clinton. i don't think it helped prosecute the case. john: comey said on tuesday was damaging. what status is it right now? some reports yesterday about a bad whip count for donald trump and optimism on the dump trump side. how do things stand? >> unlike the recruitment efforts for the independent candidate, the free the delegate

movement, is very organic. it's very grassroots. it's a little chaotic. but very dynamic. i think it is real. i think it is far more real than the press have given it credit. the press say, where is it now? it only got 400 delegates. therefore it's not going anywhere what you have to imagine, on the floor of the convention, delegates revved up for trump. i think there will be bad fundraising numbers for the rnc coming out. i think those four or 500 delegates can grow quickly.

mark: eliana johnson national review. two things going on with ted cruz. one is meeting with donald trump today. he will speak at the convention. it seems to be a little thaw there. your reporting on the ted cruz operation and the political side and senate side. >> hi guys. well, suffice to say, i think a guy, ted cruz who will be campaigning for president essentially for the rest of his life. he's not going away. that's what you can make of his agreement today with trump that he will speak at the convention. he wants to be a presence and a player. he's trying to make calculation of how that position himself for 2020 or 2024. he's somebody who would look to inherit some of trump's supporters. he would need them for a future run. also wants to keep his position as somebody who holds the line for principled conservative. who trump has completely alienated as well. cruz, news that we broke yesterday was he is expanding his political universe. essentially, he started a

nonprofit that essentially will serve as a holding pin for his campaign. supporting his policy positions and so forth between now and whenever he runs for president again. whether it's in 2020 or 2024. switching out his chief of staff and long time capitol hill aide. i think the message is clear there. john: in the fall, clearly some candidates who don't want donald trump to campaign with them. of the people who also ran this time or other big players in the party like mitt romney who will be most in demand? >> i think george w. bush will be in demand a lot for senate and house candidates for a number of reasons. he's a draw to donors. romney will be out a lot. he is a draw to activist. i would say those are two highest profile. they'll be money more in demand than donald trump. john: we got the news today that ted cruz will be speaking at the republican convention. does this surprise you at all that he's speaking at the convention and not holding out any hope that may be this dump trump movement might be able to create some space for him to make makeshift there? >> i don't think they're mutually clues. -- exclusive. it's dump trump movement that's successful at the convention. it's successful at the convention. their problem is, once the

delegates from freed, who's their candidate. ted cruz can surely have a speaking slot at the convention. if the delegates are freed, make it clear that he's open to being the nominee. he said that he's not open to that. that he doesn't support the movement. who knows what can happen at the convention. john: dan, let me ask you this question. you're a good member of the tribe. you're a jewish person. when donald trump tweeted that star, did you say, this is obviously anti-semitic tweet. did you think there's some arc it might -- argument it might not be. >> i knew it was a anti-semitic tweet. did he actually consciously up load this graphic or was this done for him and he doesn't know what's going on. once that story broke that, it came from that anti-semitic website. it just unfortunately confirmed all my fears about trump and his organization. which is not that trump wakes up every thinking anti-semitic thoughts. i have to reason to believe that he's anti-semitic. he's been resistant to say, emphatically this is unacceptable. that alone is horrifying. if this were a democrat, republican leaders will be up in

arms. it's a shame that it's happening to our nominee. more and more republican leaders aren't speaking out. john: not only he defended it. he said i regret taking it down. it seems like a repetitive question. >> it says that he is unsteady. at worse, it tells me that the crowd, the traffic in this stuff whether or not he personally believes it, that crowd, that constituency is important to him and he wants to stand by them. i ask friends of mine, who are jewish leaders, jewish republican leaders, who signed up to be the trump rnc committee and raising money. at what point do you start asking questions and unacceptable. mark: besides ted cruz, who else do you expect to be trying to build up support for 2020 in cleveland? >> the most interesting people

to watch are going to be tom cotton, the arkansas senator and ben sass the nebraska senator who has taken very different positions on donald trump and considered the two rising stars in the republican party. will be really interesting to see how they navigate the convention in cleveland. mark: thank you both. coming up next, the clinton campaign spokesman brian fallon will talk about the hearing on hillary clinton and the fbi right after this. ♪

mark: joining us now from

hillary clinton's brooklyn headquarters her national campaign spokesperson, brian fallon who is going to be trying to turn this into a victory lap. at the very end of the hearing when james comey was asked if there was an investigation into the clinton foundation. he wouldn't answer. do you have any reason to believe that there is an ongoing investigation by the fbi and the justice department into the clinton foundation? >> i personally have no knowledge to that effect. as someone that used to work at the justice department, i can tell you that the normal practice is to not answer that question one way or the other regardless there was an investigation or not. no comment in that situation doesn't really tell you anything. john: brian, you had this hearing today, i know your view is that republicans did themselves no good today and this is probably a good day for hillary clinton. hearing trey gowdy have director comey go through the places where he found in the investigation facts that he

believes are at odds what he said. have that cannot be politically devastating to hillary clinton? >> i thought that later on in the hearing, under further questioning, the director actually contextualized those answers and actually brought into alignment lot of the statements we heard from him at his press conference earlier this week. compared to the statements that hillary clinton has been making all along. he affirms that it's his belief that she set up this arrangement as a matter of convenience. he disputed that there was any analogy to be drawn between her situation and david petraeus. even though he previously said, there appear to be some e-mails that had markings on them. those documents were improperly marked. might look at that document and not judge it to be classified. on one point, he fleshed out

some of his points the other day. lot of the contradictions between what he said at the press conversation and what hillary clinton has been saying, were actually squared. john: brian, let me come back to some of the things that -- the awful lot of things that were contradictions, where there's still committee found or what the fbi found and what secretary clinton has claimed far long time. that all the e-mails were turned over. although classification markings, you're right, there was some clarification there. he claimed that dozens upon dozens what should have

classified were sent and received by the secretary. how do you deal with donald trump and campaign ads featuring the director saying, she didn't tell the truth on repeated occasions? >> well, actually i think what is going to linger in the mind most in terms of the voters is the bottom line decision that the fbi reached. which was that there was no willful intent to commit any wrong doing. i think that's what matters here. i think that the discussion of this issue for the last several months has been animated by the fact that there's been an on going justice department review. what unknown potential of that review. now that is taken off the table, i think a lot of this is reduced to a partisan back and forth. i think that the hearing today actually blew up on the republicans. i think in general if a couple of days ago, director comey put the emphasis on all of the areas where he wished hillary clinton would have acted differently, i thought today because of the way that the republicans conducted the hearing, he was in a position of having to justify and defend his position about

not going forward with the case. as a result, we got a lot of positive information here that backed up a lot of what we've been saying. i really think they blue -- blew this opportunity. voters won't go for it. the bottom line is this case is closed as far as the career officials. mark: let me ask you about one thing. that seems to be a discrepancy. your camp suggested that in order to make sure that it was completely complied with public records. hillary clinton had her lawyers read through all of her 60,000 e-mails devise them from personal government all the business ones were turned over. comey said they didn't read them. he looked a the header. is comey right and did the campaign misrepresent how complete that search was? >> i think the search was pretty darn complete.

in addition to looking at headers and doing keyword searches far wide range of terms, they did read a large number of them. mark: the proof is in the pudding. reading a large number of them is not the same as reading all of them. according to the fbi, they missed a lot. the record wasn't complete. >> i think what the director said a couple of days ago and affirmed today, there was no evidence that there was any deliberate or willful effort to conceal anything or hold back e-mails. it's not a matter of trying to conceal. mark: it's a matter of responsibility of public to leave behind complete record. she chose not to do that when she left the department. i don't think you're challenging the director's account. which is contrary to what you said. >> not challenging the director. mark: you acknowledged that it was not done as completely as you represented previously? >> i wouldn't say that it was incomplete review. i think that it was a very expensive, exhaustive search that consumed weeks on the part some of the lawyers. if you think what they ended

upturning over, more than 55,000 pages had to be printed out. this is a very exacting process. i'm not challenging the director's comments. mark: they did a fine job and incomplete job. brian fallon, thank you. sorry we cut him off there. we'll talk to former congressman anthony weiner. you can listen to us on the radio of bloomberg 99.1 fm. we'll be right back. ♪

john: here with us now is anthony weiner former democratic congressman of new york. mark: what is your partner doing today? >> he had over the shoulder comey. john: he was watching the hearing. >> the dude right him was winking to his girlfriend. he was more than distracted. john: it shows that we're off to a good start. which mean you watched the hearing. tell me what you thought about the hearing? >> the witness is pretty good at this stuff. comey, he's a cool customer. john: how do you think -- this has been long running headache for hillary clinton. how do you think she's feeling about things at this point? >> i don't know how she's feeling. if you have a thousand people drilling into your e-mail practices here at bloomberg.

you have a personal bloomberg e-mail, they probably find instances you made mistakes on your g-mail. whatever it is. the problem with all of this congress, they're a bunch of phonies. we all do when we're in congress, we were all doing business on unofficial accounts and personal activity on the government account we have a notion about the standard. i don't think anyone is adhering to them. government started getting hacked left and right. opm got hacked. there's a little bit way the republicans prosecute their job is to try to investigate the heck out of everything. for the most part, the american people see that. the hearing was further affirmation something most people knew. the secretary of state -- at no point did the secretary of state say, i want to learn what's going on with the servers.

it's ridiculous frankly. mark: 20 years ago when democrats had the majority in house, henry waxman ran hearings that drove the news. they were carefully planned. the questions were you a sequenced up. today seems the republicans investigative hearings, totally ad hoc. what am i missing? >> not entirely. the bottom line about the republicans, i think they've always had kind of a little bit of cultural detachment where the american people are. it's not where the american presidential voters is. they're not obsessed with this stuff. this stuff -- benghazi is in in category. the republicans overestimate the

level of fervor that the american people have for people like hillary clinton. they want to know what's going to happen in their lives. that disconnect has been a gift for democrats. democrats had a better sense where the american people are. these hearings -- when you're investigating why a car is blowing up or why a seat belt isn't working, democrats understand that that's based in this idea of making people's lives better and safer and protecting their kids. the republicans don't have that sensibility. they want to get to clinton so badly, it clouds their thinking. mark: where are you on the range. what's the best hillary clinton can dine the worst? >> i will eat heilemann shoes if this isn't a blowout. you cannot be anti-semitic, anti-hispanic, xenophobic and get elected. people that did presidential elections are not the hard core

democrats or hard core republicans. they're the casual voter that looks up from their morning newspaper or tries to figure out who's going to protect my family, who's going to gradually make life better for me and my community. that's hillary clinton and not an erratic jerk like donald trump. john: i appreciate that where you were about to use the profanity. i didn't have to bleep. you held back just enough. you went from one syllable to two. >> that's the new me. john: tell me one thing that you admire about donald trump as a candidate? he does that well? >> here's the thing, i think he's wildly over rated as a candidate. he is like the thousand monkeys you put in front of typewriter and every once in a while they type a extension. he's not -- sentence. he's not that good. i very rarely see something that

i go, wow, he's pretty smart. he appeals to that mouth-breathing hunched over one-tooth person that is the primary voter for republicans. that's fine by me. this is good natural selection thing. john: don't dodge this question. give me two people who will be smart for hillary clinton to put on the ticket? >> i don't have -- i'm inclined to give you something that's out of the box. i don't really know. we had great -- i don't know. i've got the same assessment that everyone else does. you don't want to jeopardize the senate. i'm way too busy for the job. i don't really have them. john: one name. >> i don't want to give you a name. kane. john: anthony weiner, we'll have

you back soon. we'll be right back. ♪

mark: lots more on donald trump's day here in washington. coming up, a bloomberg radio report on asia. the former linebacker, executive patrick willis. that is on bloomberg west. thanks for watching. we'll be back tomorrow from scranton, pennsylvania. ♪

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