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anchor: i hereby call this show to order. the convention kicked off his afternoon behind us right now, a in thelready of disunity democratic party, as the gavel has been dabbled in. chan -- got sanders fans chanting, "bernie sanders," and hillary clinton fans also chanting, "hillary." double-barreled controversies. outgoing chair debbie wasserman schultz was nowhere to be found, and she had relinquished the honor to stephanie rawlings-blake. wasserman schultz handed over that gavel under pressure. supporters of sanders were

wikileaks after the are afternoon, and they saying that her resignation does not go far enough. bernie sanders addresses delegates not far from here, where it is clear that sanders supporters are not as ready to stand with clinton as he is. john, do they have enough in their arsenal to stop this from dominating the week? john: that is a very large question. this is a star-studded lineup, unlike what we saw in cleveland, and just tonight alone we have in the primetime hour michelle obama kicking things off at 10:00, elizabeth warren, the keynote speaker named this morning, bernie sanders, a very important speech in terms of this very question. and then bill clinton and joe ,iden, barack obama, tim kaine

and hillary clinton. there is a lot of firepower, but there is still a lot of upset. supporterse sanders say you want a revolution, but now, let's get in line. it does not take much to disrupt the proceedings, and while bernie sanders is going to try to bring people together, what you see on the streets of philadelphia, the ongoing questions about the e-mails. who would think that bernie sanders would be a more unifying person other than debbie wasserman schultz? i do not know how they are going to do this tonight, because they for what we have seen, the sanders delegates are not going to yield. since otherally than cory booker, there is not a lot of firepower, so you have hours of potential disharmony. until you get to this big, progressive speakers, and those four, adding booker on to the four i mentioned before -- sanders, the people

did not yield, and they are powerless. they are not interested in tradition. in unitynot interested for unity's sake. it is interesting to overstate the possibilities, but if you are the planners coming have to say that a lot of the bandwidth of today and into tomorrow at least will be dealing with these twin controversies. john: there is a lot to be said about the analogy, like in 2008, a lot of sanders supporters will come to hillary clinton, and a lot of clinton supporters went to barack obama, but what we are hearing right now is more disharmony on the floor than you heard of the entire time in the denver convention. emotion is the hardest thing to stop and harness and corral. i was at that bernie sanders event, and many of his supporters were it open revolt.

theyis a taste of how reacted to the mere mention of her name by their euro. mr. sanders: when we began this campaign a little over a year ago, we were considered to be french by the establishment and the corporate media area -- media. well, one year has come and gone. we are not fringe players anymore. we have got to defeat donald trump. [cheers and applause] mr. sanders: and we have got to elect hillary clinton and tim kaine. [crowd noises] sanders: this is -- this is thatis is the real world

we live in. we want bernie! we want bernie! mr. sanders: thank you. anchor: the sanders team is urging supporters not to disrupt the convention. the chair of the convention struggled to get through the normal procedural votes just moments ago is the overwhelming cheers and boos. mark, can bernie sanders get his supporters in life, or is it beyond his control? they urged people to calm down. sanders supporters are chanting, "lock her up," which was populared the most

thing at the republican convention. there are other things that will be newsmaking, but the early indications, clinton supporters trying to chant on behalf of her, trying to drown out the sanders supporters, and now we hear the bernie chants again. be easilynot pacified. it will be interesting to see if sanders makes a more direct appeal that this afternoon to try to get them in line, but i think some of them are coming in line. two backse are factory at the supporters who end up voting democratic, but the people who are here, you can orl them dead enders diehards or true believers. they are the hardest of hard-core. the other thing that is true the as of this afternoon, bernie sanders's speech was not done. it was not even close to done, and i think they are adjusting

that speech on the fly to do with the situation that is much more volatile than we expected to see. mark: even though debbie wasserman schultz is gone, that galvanize them and gave them a weekend to discuss their outrage, not just the offensive e-mails about bernie sanders but the notion that what they said all along is that the fix is in. john: some are saying there is nothing new here. it just proves what we already knew. it has been gasoline poured on hot embers, and there are plumes of smoke. rk: you know what? it did represent the democratic party. all right. we will take a break, and there is a russian angle now in the presidential election, and we will talk about that and about more unrest at the dnc in philadelphia after this word from our sponsors. ♪

♪ mark welcome back. we are talking about some of the stories today, and we are talking about an emotional day. first can the florida delegation event this morning that we talked about, where the chairwoman was interrupted and booed by her own state citizens as she tried to speak. >> debbie wasserman schultz! [booing] mrs. wasserman schultz: thank you, thank you so much, thank you.

>> we want to actually unite the party. all we are asking -- : so that was the first event where a prominent speaker was basically shouted down, and then came bernie sanders. word -- her to resign. think as you all know, it debbie wasserman schultz resigned yesterday. her resignation opens up the possibility of new leadership at the top of the democratic party that will stand with working people. this will open the doors to

the party for those people who want real change. mark: later today, wasserman schultz gave up the last role to, openingd clug and closing the convention, but they were still considering keeping her involved in the proceedings. someone talking about this at bloomberg this morning hosted by al hunt. >> it was her decision to step down. al: that was her decision. it was her decision. john: why is it right for her to and on the convention stage have a role going forward? >> i think the chairwoman, as i said, has served for five years. she has put in a lot of work.

she will be dabbling in this convention, and i think that speaks for herself. john: will she have a role in the campaign going forward? >> she will have a role going forward. she is one of the most visible democratically elected people in florida. absolutely. mark: there continued to be disruptions, with bernie sanders supporters continuing to chance on a regular basis, and you will hear that, so we will keep following that. go campaign, by letting this on, but only cutting her out at the last minute, did they mess this up? john: occasionally, and equivocation. yes. completely,this up and you can see the conversation i had this morning that he was halfhearted about it. there is no love among most clinton people about debbie wasserman schultz. her toobody much like

you want to get rid of her. if held open the possibility up until late this afternoon. john: it is crazy. it would have been a riot. mark: it would have been a riot. john: and i tried to get him on that point. i get that debbie wasserman schultz has been a fundraiser, about the only thing she has done well as chairwoman, but this was on either in private conversation or public conversation, i could not get an answer. previousre was a effort to force her out. they are afraid of her, afraid of what she would say if they cut her out to they are afraid if she ise would say taken out, because she did not want to give this up, and someday, they will write a book about how they got her to give up the gavel. john: all right, our next stop, a cold war cloak and dagger

subplot. david sanger of "the new york times" saying that they believe two russian agencies are behind the e-mail hacking. and you can hear them still behind us. about whetherons russian authorities and maybe even vladimir putin himself are trying to meddle in the united states election. that is the theory that the clinton campaign has been floating consistently for the past two days, and we heard it , and we go back to that very same bloomberg politics. hack intof all, the the dnc was perpetrated by russian state hackers, and second of all, considering the tax related release of these e-mails and the fact that it was russian state hackers that had these e-mails, experts have been inferring that it was the russians who perpetrated this

league for the purpose of helping donald trump and hurting hillary clinton. again, that is not my point of view. that is what experts are telling us. john: so earlier today, donald trump dismissed this whole notion on twitter, his favorite media. that russia leak to be disastrous dnc e-mails, which should never have been written, likes me.cause putin the fbi has since announced that they are launching a probe into this. so my question for you, mark, what do you think about this russian angle? are russian hackers, but they did not have a secure system. it gives them a talking point, a way to try to create misdirection, and it does raise the obvious international notion of the russians trying to interfere with the outcome of

our elections, so it is a huge story, and it does not take away from the fact that the dnc did a horrible thing. john: it seems to me, on the nger and what sa others say, there is a pretty credible case of russia. with the timing, that they are trying to meddle in this, and the truth is that donald trump putin, and vladimir latimer has praised donald trump, and then there is paul manafort. putin has made his position clear, and it seems like that is what is going on. you cannot blame them like they are colluding, but i think there is a pretty good argument that that is what is happening. all right, we will talking about that. and we will be talking about the bernie sanders campaign manager.

we will ask him to preview the speech and tell us what the heck is going on on the floor right now, right after this. ♪

john: the city of brotherly love is sweltering, humidity over 100%. we will talk about the hot mess of convention roll, with the bernie sanders campaign manager, jeff weaver, stopping by. said the sanders people will be for hillary clinton. at this convention, are these guys under bernie sanders' control, your control?

anybody'sdy is under control. we are going to come out and beat donald trump and elect hillary clinton and go forward. ofk: there has been a lot bernie and hillary. with your people, we know you cannot control them, but what can you do to help? hope they will act respectfully. we have sent e-mails and texts. : but they have not so far paid this is disruptive as far as what the clinton team would like. jeff: i have not been on the floor. mark: they are chanting, "bernie." jeff: i think at the convention goes on, as people get more into the spirit of unity, i think you will see a change in tone. john: mark? don't, not based on what

i see so far. now: has the movement broken out of the barn door? it is not with a leader anymore. this movement has a life force of its own? jeff: it always has. bernie sanders did not create this movement. he did galvanize it, yes. he became the face of the movement. but this is never about one candidate or one campaign. john: if the movement now has a mind of its own, what does it matter? jeff: he is extremely influential to the people who supported him, and he is laying out the case about why we need to support hillary clinton and defeat donald trump. i think that is very persuasive to a lot of people. the speech is not done yet. i you adding things about senator sanders? jeff: as you

know, they write this speech is up to the last moment. : is he aware that this is unexpectedly volatile? i would not call it unexpectedly volatile. i would not use that description. john: when he says i support hillary clinton, half of the convention hall booing? jeff: we do not expect that to happen. john: why? on the basis of what we saw today, i would think that would happen. jeff: that room was not just delicates. there were delegates and others, and i think the delegates are a subset. his: do you think that endorsement of tim kaine was honest? jeff: i think it was. it is important to point out

that whatever reservations people have about tim kaine, on his worst day, to paraphrase, he is 100 times better than donald trump, so, yes. mark: you are a pretty guy. how you feel about what is going of the with part convention, are you in different? argued sad? -- are you sad? confused? what is going on on the inside? how do you feel about it? john: are you in turmoil? are you happy? i wish that people would act with some tagore him. that is what i feel like, and i will try to make that happen decorum,ct with some and that is what if you like, and i will try to make that happen.

i think it is part of this unifying function that he is going to be playing. bringing people together. behink he is going to meeting with different delegations. he will be speaking at the delegation breakfast and meeting with groups of people. extraordinaryd an grassroots fundraising organization. will he be full shoulder in using that and the mechanism to try to raise money for her? jeff: well, there are some conversations about what that will look like. to talk about discussions about where they will end up. you never know where a discussion is going to go. you cannot talk about them in the middle. john: well, what are the discussions? jeff: adding the e-mails to the list. john: why will he not do that if he endorses her? jeff: we do not know.

mark: they are not saying "boo." john: he is former? jeff: yes, they are. said not a good negotiator. every time hillary clinton is mentioned, they are booing. you a 10.me give if you want people to think he is really for her -- all right, jeff weaver. coming up, we will talk to a few democrats about what to expect tonight, up next. ♪

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fractious, raucous democratic convention here in philadelphia. here to talk about the rocky start, we have the former dnc communications director, also the traveling communications director for the clinton campaign in 2008. and also pretty darn close to tim kaine. he officiated at his wedding, for instance. also with us, former congressman and former clinton supporter -- harold ford junior. >> i, too, and married. mark: how would you characterize what happened today? >> politics. i am not as discouraged as some may be. largely because i think the passion is there. i think the change in the party a positive thing.

we will have a great night tonight tonight. senator sanders. certainly is an unconventional position on the convention in the last sheet of weeks. john: you worked for debbie wasserman schultz. her departure is unprecedented, on the eve of the convention. good for the party? bad for the party? what impact on the party and hillary's prospects? >> only an upside. there was growing dissatisfaction from all quarters of the campaign for some time now. but i think the news, the e-mail dump this past weekend really put the fine points on that dissatisfaction, and it has become too much of a distraction . stepping down eliminates that

distraction before it gets .tarted i think what happened to her this evening at her own home breakfasti gratian when i'll -- delegation breakfast went a long way to convincing her it was a better idea. to stop the want booing every time hillary clinton's name is mentioned, what do you do? >> i worked at the convention. there were a lot of compatriots and went into that convention and did not want to support barack obama. him on thehey both floor? >> they did not go him on the floor, but -- mark: the booing is historical. >> tonight you will have four democrats,energizing

bernie sanders and elizabeth of the who are the lions progressive left. you have cory booker, who is seen as the next in a ration of that movement and michelle obama -- the doesn't like michelle obama? you have the four of them stand up and make the case for unity. of the not convince all party supporters to come on board, but if they make the message that the stakes are too high and here is why you can trust hillary clinton and why i will trust hillary clinton to carry our ban were -- our banner moving forward, i think that is important. john: harold, i want to ask you this question. it seems obvious to me the clinton campaign -- which forced her out -- should have forced her all the way out. not let it ride out this way. what possible reason do they have to let her, at least for a time, consider gambling the convention in, gavel the

convention out, have a speaker role -- you.ok at, i agree with i have had differences with the chairwoman, but she was a chairperson. i thought she should have been moved on from the very beginning. if you say you are going to move someone out, do not wait for them to speak, do not let them gavel. markets have a funny way of handling things. she faced the market at her own delegation meeting. this is a way every introducing our ticket, including tim kaine, to the country. laying out why we are change agents, why this party is as position to do things, and friendly, a lot of the booing out here, they want change. the passion i like. i think we are going to translate this into, not only a profound energy, but a profound victory for democrats in the fall. left remind me when you the dnc? >> just over a year ago.

mark: when the debates were being scheduled, with a lot of controversy about whether they were favoring hillary clinton, , now thatem on nights we know that the dnc wrote e-mails about senator sanders showing clear favoritism, g you think that they wrote e-mails rigging the debates for hillary clinton? >> the debate schedule is one of the more complicated things -- mark: martin o'malley wanted more debates. atwe negotiated debates every level of government, i have never been in a case for the front runner wants fewer and the underdog once more. mark: is it possible given what they were putting down, that they put things in the e-mails about debate strategy? >> i don't know. i don't know. but here's the thing. with her moving on, this is what the sanders people wanted, and frankly, it is what a lot of

clinton people wanted. and the obama people. her final act as chair may be one of the greatest contributions to party unity at this convention. john: are the course of my reporting, it was hard to find almost anyone in the democratic party who had a nice thing to say about her. how did she survives along? what is the key to her durability? >> it is a thankless job. i feel bad for her. i feel bad for tim kaine who preceded her. i feel bad for reince priebus over at the rnc. people are sniping at you from every direction. but she is one of the most tireless people and she did have goodwill amongst the grassroots and that helped carry her. is also one of the longest-serving party chairs and party history and that worked against her at the end of the

day. mark: is tim kaine liked by the credit party? >> it seems that he was liked -- mark: if elijah cummings is getting heckled, what would you say that foretold? john: not energy and positivity in the democratic party. >> this is a uniting moment. whatever you think about debbie wasserman schultz, it is time for her to move on. mark: all right. we shall see. harold, optimism at heart -- think you both. and we come back, what donald trump is up to this week. we are in philadelphia. you can listen to us on the radio radio on bloomberg 91 -- 98.1 fm. we will be right back. ♪

♪ mr. trump: i think the convention was very, very successful. i don't know about hillary clinton's on likability, my likability. i think -- ♪ that was a clip of mark's interview with donald trump for

our episode of "the circus." trump and his team has made it clear they do not expect to conceive the spotlight to clinton world this week. trump and mike pence will have a q&a -- ask the trump anything -- and there are new polls. a cnn poll shows a 10-point swing in trump's direction the past 10 days. 45%s leading clinton 48% to . of that change almost entirely from independents. if true, that's a pretty healthy postconvention bounce, but there are real questions about how real it is. cbs has a poll that shows clinton and trump tied at 42%, the same margin before we went. been tweeting before the convention tonight -- well bernie has given up on his fight for the people, we welcome all voters who want a better future

for our voters. betron the trade -- yed bernie voters. i know that you have become a nose holding trump supporter. how did you see cleveland play out? >> this is exciting. i like the show. i liked what they were able to do. i set the family did really well. it is more entertaining than politics has been for a very long time. jim, you have looked at what has happened here so far at this convention. did the democratic party, which wants to until the message, seem like it is in trouble, or is this a minor flap.

trouble,k they are in but they decided to take a page out of a room playbook, but they are not doing it very well. they will not have a good outcome. the difference, at our convention the outsider triumphed. at their convention, this is the theblishment crushing outsider. it's more insidious. we had silly things that happened at our convention that made news for no good reason. they have systemic problems. , soe guys, the populists they say, the progressives, have turned out to be the most establishment said that ever existed. writes and donald trump tweets, it is clear that his campaign is trying to take advantage of the disunity. supporterssanders you get a mixed sense. not many of them seem attracted to donald trump. do you think it's realistic to

appeal to sanders supporters? kim: absolutely. one of the things donald trump has done is broaden the appeal of the republican party. we have the first gay speaker at a republican convention. we expanded the tents. poll thatesearch showed him get a seven-point bump out of the convention. the bulk of that bump came from young voters. that is supposedly bernie sanders' voters. if they were peeling off from clinton before today, they are peeling off back then, imagine what we are gathering up today and in the next couple days as they begin to falter. let me ask you a question about donald trump's speech last thursday. you are a relatively sunny person. the donald trump sketch in america you recognized or is it

more pessimistic than the america you see? im: listen, these are serious times. i'm an internal optimist. but serious times require serious leaders. the appeal of donald trump if i can say it on tv -- he is a bad -- he gets people's attention. we are nervous about things happening. we do not want a wishy-washy establishment president. that is what has happened for the last eight years. i'm optimistic because of that. futureim alfano, for reference, you can say badass on our program. kim: sorry. john: when we come back, we go afl-cio andith the the national teachers

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♪ mark: joining usmark: -- mark: joining us now, the president of the national teachers association and the president of the afl-cio. pretty raucous down there. >> this is what democracy looks like. it's messy. people have opinions. this is where they can express them. mark: all good with you if it continues like this? >> what we are going to see is people coming together more and more. there's a lot of raw feelings and this is the first day.

i think you will see something very different, and at the end of this four days, you will see a very unified party behind hillary clinton and we are going to win. john: what reason do you have to say -- i know you are an admirer of senator sanders -- what reason do you have to think that in this convention, not in the election,not in the but here that sanders supporters will not be disruptive through the entirety of this convention? first of all, i talked to bernie himself. bernie is committed to supporting hillary. second, you have two choices. you've got trump and hillary clinton. for working people, there is no choice. the bernie people are far, far, thanfar closer to hillary anybody else. and eventually, we are all going to come together. bernie is going to tell them, look, we are all in this because we have to be trump. humanlet me ask you a

question. i have never spoken in front of his many people and gotten booed. so far every speaker has been booed. how do you land to go up there and talk and get booed? richard: you go up there and you say what you think. listen, i've been in the minority a lot in my life area when i was writing or civil rights, fighting against apartheid -- we started out and minority. we kept fighting and fighting. we kept going because you believe in what you are saying. to changeyou going your remarks, ad lib. if you are booed? oh, heavens, no. this is an overcrowded class of sixth-graders. you have to say what is important. you hope that people will be respectful. if they choose not to be, and can't mean you change something you are going to do. you have to go forward.

the truth is i'm an educator. hillary clinton him a from the time she graduated from law was working on special ed students, working on affordable college, working on the things i get up in the morning and have for breakfast. we know we have a great advocate and a warrior for students and their families and for communities. of why would i change a word what i am going to say? we will sayuth and it as loudly and as often as possible. like i said, i think this whole group is going to feel more and more the choice that we have. donald trump stands for nothing that working people should be supporting, and hillary clinton who has a track record she should be proud of, that we are all proud of. john: ben jealous, former head

of the naacp, is down there getting a large round of applause for things he is saying. it seems to me -- and it's just the couple hours we have been here -- it seems like the energy, the passion, the volume is all with the sanders supporters. i know there is hillary chanting down there, too. the sanders supporters are providing all of the energy. richard: that's great. we will take the energy and channel it. after the convention is over and the hooting and hollering and the speeches are given, we have an election to run. we're going to need that energy. we will need the grassroots support, the grassroots energy and we will bring that to the general election. departure of debbie wasserman schultz unifying or fracturing for the party? right thingk the happened. that removed it something that was going to get them away from the message that this entire convention wants to deliver, and

that is what hillary clinton stands for. and so, that has allowed us now to move forward. and that is what we need to do. what are the chances some of your members will defect and vote for donald trump? we have some every election. there won't be any more this time -- mark: no more than mitt romney got? richard: no, no more than mitt romney. maybe less. when we give them the facts that he thinks wages are too high, that he thinks carl icahn, for goodness sakes, would be a good treasury secretary, that he exports all of his products out and thinks that is a good thing -- he taught that at trump university -- and that is part of why trump university did not do so well, all of those things will come out and we will cross the bridge and support hillary who is really our champion.

lily: you forgot to do the air quotes around "university," which is part of the trademark. i have many republican members. i am from utah. most of my utah members are republican. i have never seen my republican members so repulsed by a candidate like they are repulsed by trump. they are appalled by the things that he says. a they just need common sense applied and someone who is so radical and hateful in his beach , affecting -- hateful in his speech. mark: president garcia, mr. , have a good speech out there. we will not believe you. we will be right back. ♪

john: make sure you check out ics.com for full team coverage. coming up, "bloomberg west" has yahoo! ceo maurice a skybox -- we are in a skybox. we are going to have a great night and we will tell you all about it tomorrow. until then, sayonara. ♪

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controversy on the first day of the democratic national convention. chairwoman debbie has stepped down after the revelation of e-mails of party officials that it clinton over bernie sanders. the theme tonight is "united together." a primetime lineup -- heavy hitters from the party. massachusetts senator elizabeth warren will deliver the keynote address. first lady michelle obama and senator cory booker will speak. bernie sanders will speak as well. the latest cnn, orc national survey has donald trump hillary clinton 44% to 39%. the libertarian candidate gary johnson johnson has 9%. cnn says that trump got a boost from independents.