mark: i'm mark halperin. john: and i'm john heilemann. "with all due respect" to joe biden, bill clinton, and barack obama, tonight is time for the real star of the show. ♪ john: happy hillary clinton is the nominee and making her big introduction to america day sports fans. we're in the wells fargo center where the fourth and final night of the democratic national convention is underway. history will be made from the stage behind us. that is where hillary clinton will finally officially, and no

doubt enthusiastically accept her party's nomination for president. this will be by far the most important speech of hillary clinton's political career. compared with the last two democratic presidents, her husband and barack obama, clinton is hardly considered the standout order. even she is open to admitting it is a skill that does not come naturally. she has delivered a number of clubs performances on the trail. let's go to the tape. clinton: i believe the person the republicans nominated cannot do the job. [applause] ideas aren't just different, they are dangerously incoherent. [laughter] they are not even really ideas, just a series of bizarre rants, personal feuds, and outright lies. [applause] forhe fbi is watching you

suspected terrorist links, you should not be able to just go buy a gun with no questions asked. [applause] we believe that cooperation is better than conflict. unity is better than division. empowerment is better than resentment, and bridges are better than walls. [cheers] john: we have been watching hillary clinton professionally for 25-odd years. we think we know what she is capable of. what would constitute a home run tonight? mark: george herbert walker bush gave the speech of his life in 1988. it can be done, someone who is not of of the great speaker giving a great one. one, does she give it in her own voice? not in some stagey voice. two, does she have a theory about how to create jobs in the economy? and finally, does she married

her biography with why she wants to be president? john: those are all strong answers and agree with all of them. has had testimony given to her by her husband, and chelsea clinton what motivates her mother, but there are no examples of motivation that is more powerful than the speaker itself. people want to know her heart and how her heart marries up to her agenda. i think she has to make a correct appeal -- direct appeal to members of the obama coalition. she needs the raw numbers. if she can get them, she will certainly be the next president. right now there is an enthusiasm problem that is not been solved. she has to do it herself. mark: i think she needs to get a memorable speech. i have been saying this all thatnd, tell me anything mitt romney or john mccain said in their acceptance speeches. she has to have some lines that

stick with people, which donald trump did. he had lines that stuck with people. can't you come across with something that at the end the night, people will say wow, and will quote back, things that show up in highlight reels. john: she has given a better speeches than people expect. in 2008 she had lines she's still talking about, breaking the glass ceiling. she could get there tonight if she does that. mark: we look at a half-century of political convention history. we could not find a single instance of a presidential nominee being introduced for their acceptance speech by one of their children. this year we have not one but two such cases. trump delivered a well-received prelude last week in cleveland. tonight chelsea clinton will do the same for her mother. chelsea has never been one of the most visible surrogates of her parents.

but in an interview with nbc this morning, we got a glance at how chelsea might approach the job tonight and in the days ahead. chelsea: i want to talk as her daughter. i'm an only child so it's a unique position. i hope that people understand even a little more when i am done than when i started about why i love her so much and admire her. what we heard last week in cleveland -- that's not the person that i know. that's not the person that i grew up with and am so proud to stand beside and to introduce here in philadelphia. i think it was clear last week dad ivanka introduced her that she was so proud of him. i think it will be at least as clear why i am so proud of my mom. yesterday i was breast-feeding my child and she was giving me feedback, and i was exchanging ideas. [laughter] even he has contributed to the stage.

mark: john, what's the best way for chelsea clinton to validate her mother? john: one thing you could say is that the child children gave strong speeches -- trump children gave strong speeches in cleveland. what they did not do in general was lay out some 1-2 telling anecdotes that illustrates instead of just telling, showing those figures. mark: that stuck with people. john: she has to illustrate what motivates her mother. not why she's qualified to be president. what kind of a person she is. make it visible and resident and hit home. mark: ivanka trump has been an accomplished public presenter. chelsea has not done much, even though she worked for nbc news as a correspondent. i have known her since the early 90's. i am still surprised when i hear her speak at length. i think the best thing she can do to some extent is to tell vivid stories and have people

see her as an accomplished person and have that reflect well on her mother. is not just being herself. john: i saw her talk in this she was confronted by someone about her mothers and fathers record on criminal justice. she answered it with extraordinary straightforwardness and sincerity, candor. she was good in that moment. it was a small room compared to that a group. people think of her in suspended animation as a child. she is practically a middle-aged woman now. a lot of americans will see her anew. she has an opportunity to validate. john: ever since donald trump called on russian hackers to retrieve the clintons missing e-mails, respective campaigns have been racing to mitigate or capitalize on the fallout. in the last 24 hours, trump campaign manager paul manafort

gave interviews to fox news singing to the same hymnal, that the story has gotten blown way out of proportion. >> first of all, he didn't encourage anybody to hack. what he says was that the 33 illegally deleted e-mails are still missing. and he was making a sarcastic point about those 33,000 e-mails. mr. trump: they don't know if it was russia, if it's china, or somebody else. you have 33,000 e-mails deleted. the real problem is what was said on those e-mails. john: that's the trunk side trying to ameliorate. we have the clinton side trying to capitalize. putting a lot of pressure and trying to score points. clinton's communications director responded to trump at a press conference in philadelphia this morning. >> suggesting that a foreign case ay, in the

semi-state should conduct espionage against an opponent running for president of the united states is never sarcastic or ever a joke. it's something that we should take seriously. agricultures. secretary was a finalist on hillary clinton's vp shortlist and told iowa delegates that trump violated a federal law that "sides with the enemy." this country has been big news over the last 24 hours. in the back-and-forth, is it behind us? and in the longer term, will it have an effect on the campaign? mark: i don't think it can be set off in a moments notice. we don't know what the news landscape is going to look like from tomorrow through labor day. there is a big gap where there's nothing on the schedule. table both be campaigning and battleground states.

i think there are so many loose ends. trump has to sit down with a serious interviewer and clarify what he meant. democrats are going to keep pounding on it. i don't think it's over. the press is so exciting against trump on this that it will still do damage unless the dynamic changes. john: trump is not answered the fundamental questions. he has not fulfilled delete announced vladimir putin. he still says bruton is a better leader than barack obama. he has not put out his tax returns. we don't know about his financial entanglements with russia. until then, i think the press smells blood in the water. there are real questions they want to get answers to. mark: if we got more e-mails from the dnc, exchanges the back rent. taking a break, when we come back, democratic senator from minnesota amy klobuchar georges

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mark: welcome back. we are here at the convention in philadelphia in the wells fargo center. guest is no stranger to the convention stage, amy klobuchar. she's speaking again tonight as part of the powerhouse group of democratic female senators. you ought to travel in a pack. sen. klobuchar: we are like the sisterhood of the traveling pants suit. secretary continues to be a woman senator and part of our group.

this is a big part of our presentation tonight. talking about some personal stories, of people who have actually worked with her. john: i won't ask you to let the cat out of the bag and told us stories, but what will they illustrate? sen. klobuchar: her leadership and her humanity. my story is about wendy haiti earthquake -- when the haiti earthquake happened. in a soda moms were on the were on-minnesota moms the ground before adoptions, but the paperwork was lost. i called the only person that i knew could help. i called hillary clinton and the next day those babies and their moms work in a car on the way to the airport. i met these kids and they have grown up. i don't think they will ever know what she did for them. that is a leader. mark: i don't think there is any doubt she will do well tonight. doesn't matter how good her speech is tonight? sen. klobuchar: i think it does

matter. to have seen some buildup with tremendous speeches this week from michelle obama and barack obama, of course joe biden, president clinton. i won't name everyone, but there has been this buildup. when you are compared to donald minutesho spoke in 76 in an angry speech, pretty angry crowd. now this is her chance to show something different. you are going to see a little more humanity and a little more detail on policy and issues. instead of people chanting "lock they were changing here "love trumps hate." mayor bloomberg, people with business icons, military people talk about her ability to be a strong commander-in-chief. john: this convention has tried

to make people in america more familiar with hillary clinton's attractive human attributes. her biggest problem right now in polling is her trustworthiness. has this convention done anything to help that? sen. klobuchar: i think it has. the commander-in-chief when he talked about how hurtful she has been in the arena. while you are in the arena, up-ice people off from time to time and you make mistakes. this is my favorite part for anyone in politics. it's not a spectator sport. you can't just stand on the sidelines. the fact that she has been , the thingngs done people will remember the most when he said she is more qualified than i was, more qualified than bill, the most qualified to ever run. mark: your generation -- your

delegation has a lot of bernie supporters. a lot town you still here of young people chanting pretty negative things about her. what to people from your state stand, what are their mood as they approach the end? sen. klobuchar: we have had an incredibly positive mood. maybe we are on caucus day and are used to this. nothing is always rosy. but the person who introduced bernie announced our delegate count together. we both worked really hard to make sure that we come together. i think you will see that in our delegation. of course you will get people him yelling here and there. the democratic party. of course, this notion that people want to do something about climate change are going to support a guy that -- are not going to support a guy that says it's a hoax supported by the chinese. or that someone that wants to do more with diplomacy will support

someone that will basically tell russia to engage in espionage. this does not feel like the party supporters to me. john: one thing she wants and needs to do is fire up members of the obama coalition. sense -- a lot of democrats will be scared of donald trump. do you feel there are new reasons for them to be enthused for hillary clinton? sen. klobuchar: yeah, you have seen some exciting moments with icons coming out. really talking from the heart about knowing her. joe biden's incredible speech yesterday. i am not as concerned about that. the immigrant population are fired up and ready to go. something that maybe surprises

you when the focus has been on bernie people is that there has been outreach to independent voters. tim kaine did that last night with his suburban dad story. you certainly saw mayor bloomberg do it when he talked about, this isn't a reality tv show, this is reality. he talked about building a business and what that takes. and focus on debt. you don't always hear that at every democratic convention. that's what i appreciated, it just hasn't been about baseball than. -- basebuilding. sen. klobuchar: great to be with both of you. have a great night. mark: coming up, the most important meal of the day. what we learned over breakfast with two democratic governors, right after this. ♪

john: will come back to the democratic national convention site in philadelphia. in our final bloombergpolitics convention breakfast, artists work colorado governor john hickenlooper, and the former pennsylvania governor ed rendell, a a straight talking and loyal long-time supporter. of these guys talked about this convention and the state of the general election in their respective battleground states. mark: governor, can you think of an issue on which hillary clinton is challenging democratic party orthodox? >> oh my gosh-- mark: when her husband ran in 1992, he was for right to work

welfare reform, death penalty. he moved the party more to the center. most every issue that he is staked out has been to move to the left. i'm wondering if you can think of anything when she ran on this issue, she said we need to be more of a centrist party. it. have to think about that's the kind of access to my memory vault that is harder when i've had 4.5 hours of sleep. mark: the party is more liberal than it was. >> you are telling me. mark: what has contributed to that. is if the economic condition? >> it was the 1960's. the democratic party had a very liberal arm back then. you could call it the liberal wing. that has never gone away. but certainly in the last few has expanded and grown new life. part of that is this economic

dislocation. i think that frustration that people have of losing their careers -- they look back and were making more money tenure scope than they -- making more money 10 years ago than they are now. that is what pushes many democrats to be more idealistic. >> i think president obama is the great turnout -- a portion of colorado is up 50%. him, bernie sanders would be huge for a lot of those democrats. watched sarah silverman. [laughter] that might have been the turning point in the whole convention. no politician could get away with saying "you guys are ridiculous." there is no one surrogate you want out.

in 2012 he hardly came into pennsylvania at all. event to beg him for one in pittsburgh at the end. we always hear there's going to be trouble in pennsylvania. mccain and palin lived in pennsylvania. romney spent a ton of time in pennsylvania. and rendell will say it's close, but it never is. [laughter] but one of these days. i hear everyone breakdown the polls. and donald trump is getting 15% of the latino vote. zeropolls, he got african-american vote in pennsylvania and ohio. is getting clobbered among women. diluting college-age -- he losing college aged white men

among 10 points. how can you tell me how he is even within the margin of error? it does not seem to be possible. >> i will agree. >> i can't figure it out. everything i know about politics doesn't make anythin sense. mark, you've had a running conversation with almost are things- what hillary are taking on the party orthodoxy on, what you think about that? mark: it is incredible how fast the party has moved to the left. if hillary is elected president, where are the new democrats? so many of her advisers, are areg bill clinton, still relatively conservative compared to the positions she in bernie sanders take in this race. john: that is certainly true. talking about kitchen cabinet

people, they are old-new democrats. mark: and if paul ryan is the speaker of the house, and almost no democrat says he won't be, the only way to make deals with paul ryan will be to do things that would cause massive uproar at this convention if she said from the podium. john: we will talk about how ed c pennsylvaniaid so differently. we will think both of them for being our breakfast. of next we have referent jesse jackson -- up next we have reverend jesse jackson joining us on the set. we will be right back. ♪

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convention in philadelphia. the early part of the fourth and final day of this convention. cleaver of missouri just finished and they are playing a video now. a longtime friend, associate, and occasionally rival of the clintons -- welcome. you have known the clintons for a long time. i first met you in 1992 when bill clinton was running for president and you have had at times a contentious relationship. let's talk about your history with the clintons and how you have watched them become the first family of the democratic party. kind of reaching out.

i watched her grow. bill always had the sensitivity of southern folklore. he could talk oxford talk. a good kind of do it all -- he could kind of do it all. was seen asdency successful and he never stops working. you were clearly on the liberal end of the spectrum, bill clinton and hillary clinton were modernizers. do you think now when you look , is shery clinton really a progressive now? has she gone with where the party is, or is she still a closet -- person? they were trying to get the white vote that reagan had.

while he tried to govern as dlc, his votes came from the convention. the new generation of voters, everyone demands it cannot be known she has made an adjustment. >> she's no longer a dlc new democrat, she's a democrat democrat of a rainbow push democrat. supporting affordable health a commitment to reduce , that's aan debt

concession. eventually -- she wanted to trustee banks. they would be much more stress at hearings to make banks be more accountable. her commitment to the enforceable rights act. the things she's done to accommodate progressive roles and the new reality -- >> my guess is you have known donald trump for a long time. tell me your best donald trump story. >> we have gone to different boxing matches, with tyson and don king. kind of affable guy. then we did the rainbow push wall street project at the world trade center. we began to open up wall street, the blacks and latinos to do business -- he was that kind of guy. >> helping you with that project, hanging out with you at boxing matches.

my guess is before this race is not he was a fun guy to be around. a the first signal was, signal that he was trying to -- he just kept going further with that. now he says he will repeal affordable health care, which affects 30 million people. he will not support raising wages for working people. nato, which make the glance of putin's elevate. -- glands of putin salivate. he can't say anything about putin. deport 50 million people, it can't be done. building 2000 miles of border tradeexico, we do more with mexico than we do with

japan and china. these ideas can destabilize the country and the world. bloomberg last night felt the about europe and america are dangerous. >> a lot of democrats and i know knowat i know do you -- think donald trump a racist. what do you think? it's almost childish. he would win. to label him at this point is another headline. what is he saying on affordable health care and race disparity? in a city of 500,000 people unemployment 3%, for

blacks 4%. in this pennsylvania state, blacks 5%. that thrill stuff. chicago, 100,000 evicted homes around the lot. >> down on the stage, sarah mcbride, the first openly transgender person to speak at either party's convention. could a transgender person have spoken at bill clinton's convention in 1992? >> maybe not 1992. it was a little culture shock. the democratic party changing

faster than the country or leading the way? us to another level. for a while, didn't vote. now it is voting. the new reality, the energy in the markets -- women, when hillary breaks the glass ceiling, is not just the glass ceiling. a lot of changes taking place. they will either rise to the times or the times will take them out. i think hillary has made that adjustment, and people will be looking beyond the election. >> reverend jackson, thank you for being here. coming up, more talk about hillary clinton's big speech knowht from two women who her well. in washington, d.c. you can

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asgoing back to philadelphia we wait for hillary clinton's acceptance speech. more than two decades ago, served as a press secretary for hillary clinton when she was thet lady and with us, president of emily's list. it's great to have you here. we were just talking about your view that this convention is working. why so? >> it's a well run convention. ofs well produced, a lot

contents, a lot of well produced videos. great feeling inside the hall, a lot of enthusiasm. this suite is just jammed. there's a positive feeling here. >> i could not agree more. the difference between last week's lack of quality speakers, the lack of presence of a lot of republican leaders, and it's different this week, how it has built up to have first lady or monday,cks this off on and you can literally feel the room shift to a different place. i thought bill clinton was fabulous on tuesday, and then last night, we have seen bloomberg and kaine and biden and the president -- it is just building up perfectly and it is a sign of where the democrats are in this election this year. say, i thinkot to

the mike bloomberg's was really something for the history books. that was quite a speech. he went right at it. i wasn't sure what he was going to do. i think he was incredibly well-received in the hall and it was a very bold thing for him to do. >> and for her to do. it woman you love and have known for a long time, respect, becoming the first woman nominee of either party. tell me how that makes you feel. into this week, i worked on a lot of democratic campaigns over the years, i have been running emily's list for 6 ofrs, but i admit, i am one those young woman who came up after the big movement grade i felt like the doors were open. i probably took it for granted. every day this week i have gotten more and more excited, i can feel it in my gut.

i walk around our membership of emily's list. this energy that is building and ready to come out and i think what you'll see tonight, when hillary clinton accepts this nomination, is a that i thinkotion -- i'm telling you, it's going to happen. i can see the women, and men, you have been waiting for this moment, some for decades and decades. >> i just asked reverend jackson whether he thought donald trump was a racist. a lot of people in the democratic already do. do you think donald trump is a misogynist? >> there's no use in me answering that question. i don't want to talk about donald trump. i would rather have a debate on the issues and the merits. asktephanie's point, you the question, how do you feel about hillary clinton accepting the nomination. very personal, as

somebody who worked for her for a long time. once you are a member of the clinton family, you never leave. as a woman, it's a transformational feeling i have personally. a long time ago when i first went to work for hillary clinton thomases, susan interviewed me for the job to be hillary's press secretary for the campaign in 1992. said, she is a clinton who could be president some day if this doesn't work out. very interesting, very poignant. >> i asked a question about trump's attitudes towards women because it is featured in some of the messaging and advertising of the campaign and it's an interesting thing if you believe that's true of trump that he's running against the first woman nominee. it raises the stakes for a lot of women in this hall.

the you feel that contrast is important to understand? about contraste and choices. we are in fact as democrats running against the man whose rhetoric is outrageous. it is sexist rhetoric. i can't speak to who he is as a person, but his inflammatory language is really very offensive. and, a really talks about who he is as a set of values and ultimately what the republican party is, making this choice and embracing the set of values. it's not how i was raised. i think about my mother every it, and i canout supposed her, -- not to say those things straight in this election is about what kind of country we want to be in a really fundamental way.

are we about being stronger together, about civility, commonsense solutions, a forward divisive, are we a dangerous, dividing our communities up? this is the choice for some of us and it's important to understand what is at stake. bei think values will discussed tonight pretty chelsea clinton will injured use her mother, -- will introduce her ofher and the grandmother her children. we heard about values from president obama and vice president biden, and i think you will hear a lot about where values from her daughter and in her speech specifically she will talk about her own values, her own experiences, people who have touched her life and molded her thinking and her experiences and accomplishments throughout her career. i have a lot more i'd like to ask you, but we are out of time.

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>> first word that comes to your mind. hillary. >> exciting. >> knowledgeable. >> president. assome democrats here, everyone in philadelphia awaits hillary clinton's big acceptance speech tonight. until then we have the next best thing to hillary clinton, nbc news all everything. the senior editor of "the

atlantic." you have covered hillary clinton a long time. how has this convention done in trying to address some of the challenges she faces so far? >> there's good news and bad news. the speeches have been terrific as far as validating her. it raises the bar as far as, how do she live up to it? i thought the president gave the most generous, enthusiastic endorsement. >> do you agree with that? >> i thought the moment's last night were both rhetorical and actual. the embrace between the president and secretary clinton -- first of all, it's a long time coming. at the emotion, the warmth, the tenderness almost in that. >> they melted into each other's arms. >> they did. i thought they would kiss at a certain point.

lot,nk it meant a especially against the backdrop of how loud bernie supporters would be tonight. >> i when you both to do something that will be hard for each of you. imagine yourself as a bernie sanders supporter, and whether if by the end of this when you've heard throughout this convention -- are you now ready for hillary? i think a lot of them would not be. [inaudible] they are right to be suspicious. certainly those suspicions about whether she's going to crack down on tpp and call it by another name. said, personal endorsements

have been so meaningful. >> i talked to a bunch of center supporters. -- sanders supporters. i think there is now some backlash among young center supporters who are tired of people in the media saying, you guys are nihilist. in our heart for bernie sanders but at the end of the day we understand how the institution works and eventually we will get on board. does that mean we will be wearing "i'm with her" t-shirts by wednesday? no. but before november, they will get the yes. >> coming off the train to get here, there were bernie supporters standing on the platform chanting "draft chelsea first." going forward from here, they are doing a bus trip.

you are familiar with clinton bus trips out of the convention. is this an explicit attempt to recapture the clinton-gore bus mansion? >> absolutely. it is strategic. it's also very personal with her. those were the days when the clintons and gores that along with each other and amongst themselves -- got along with each other and amongst themselves. it was my favorite time in politics. -- thisteven's campaign is as spontaneous as i've ever seen the campaign. >> are they a good team? is there magic there? i guess. i think tim kaine was sort of

like, who can be in the white house with no clinton and hillary -- with bill clinton and hillary clinton, say yes when needed, and be a utility player when necessary. i'm not sure it is because of some alchemical magic they have together. >> i was in miami. the speaker must have been disappointed. he was so authentic and there was such a bond that came on that stage that saturday in miami. i think it could work. >> thank you both. enjoy tonight's historical events. we will be right back. ♪

>> head on over to bloombergpolitics.com. why young women are not so excited about hillary clinton's latest crack in the grass -- glass ceiling. throughout this historic night, coming up on the television --"bloomberg west." until tomorrow -- >> they are rocking and rolling in philadelphia. hillary clinton will be the nominee. we will talk about that tomorrow. until then, we say to you, sayonara. ♪

?c+sv the: hillary clinton is on cusp of history. on the fourth and final night of the democratic national

convention, mrs. clinton will become the first woman in u.s. history to accept the presidential nomination of a major political party. her acceptance speech is aimed at delegates and supporters of her rival, senator bernie still areany of whom not convinced of her honesty and her commitment to progressive policies. she will be introduced by her daughter, chelsea, before closing off the evening with that acceptance speech. mrs. clinton leads donald trump in the battleground state of pennsylvania. she's ahead of him by nine points in a new poll by suffolk university. political turmoil in turkey is raising concerns about operations of the us-led coalition fighting islamic state in iraq and syria. that is according to a senior u.s. milar