>> from our studios in new york, this is "charlie rose." charlie: we are in philadelphia for the fourth and final day of the democratic national convention. it is the night hillary clinton accepted the nomination for president of the united states. we are taking this program before chelsea clinton introduces her mother in what will be for her mother the most significant speech of her life. >> there is something else my mother taught me. service.rvice is about

daughter, i had a special window into how she served. i have seen her holding the hands of mothers worried about how they will see their kids, how they will get the health care they need. i see my mother promising to do everything she could to help. i have seen her right after those conversations getting straight to work to figure out what she could do, who she could call, how fast she could get results. she always feels like there is not a moment to lose. mother, forr that that family there isn't. howle ask me all the time does she do it?

how do she keep going? amid the sound and the fury of politics? forget who she is fighting for. [applause] easier worked to make it for foster kids to be adopted, for 9/11 first responders to get health care they deserve. for women around the world to be safe, treated with dignity, to have more opportunities. bites like these are what -- like like these -- fights these keep my mother going.

they never let go. charlie: last night press obama gave a powerful speech that signaled a passing of the torch. joining me now is eric holder. i am pleased to have him here. welcome. you are doing what the convention? eric: i gave a speech, not on the same level of michelle's speech. voting rights and criminal justice reform. charlie: how much is that going to be part of your life, being an advocate for criminal justice reform and big issues having to do with race? eric: when i left the department although i i said was leaving the department of justice i was never going to leave the work. i want to stay involved in the fight for equality, that we protect the right to vote.

all the things that are connected to race that have bedeviled us as a nation. charlie: i think, i have come to this like ryan johnson and caprs, a hardheaded look of -- have we considered all of the impact of slavery? eric: i don't think we have. when one looks at the question of slavery and the time after slavery, slavery by another name , segregation, there are direct policies put in place in the 1930's, a whole variety of things that resonate here in the 20th century that find their roots in the slavery experience and those things that followed. charlie: they are asking the same thing. make sure we understand. every speaker here, we have to

do something about violence against young people and old people in terms of police committing acts of violence in the moment or whatever. we also to make sure, we have to understand and make sure no one allows violence against police to take place. how do we go one step further and then the next step? eric: we have done that first that. to raise the issue. we need to protect the police. willsure law enforcement serve with dignity and respect. there is not a tension between .hose two there needs to be some hardheaded conversation. people can have recommendations from the police task forces. there are specific steps there. we could really move the ball in a significant way. we have to understand that whole

relationship. a law enforcement community relationship cannot be viewed in a microcosm. it is part of larger societal issues that we continue not to address. .e are very adept they make us feel uneasy. charlie: and then there is implicit bias. a huge part that has to be addressed in law enforcement. law enforcement can't look at somebody and make assumptions on the way they look. charlie: in terms of your tenure where do you think succeeded and failed? eric: we advance the ball when it comes to civil rights enforcement. the division had been decimated. i look at protecting the right .o vote, for lgbt equality

we did a good job moving terrorism case into the article three courts. i don't think we did a good job when it came to getting gun control, gun safety regulations in place. where ithe one area wish i could've made more progress. charlie: the president would say the same thing. eric: after newtown i thought , having, our nation seen those angels mowed down, that would have been the catalyst. nra, i think we could have reached a consensus. eric: -- charlie: that is what has to happen, a consensus with the nra? eric: i do not think they are going to come along. i think it will depend on if we can get a spine injection, to go against the gun lobby.

her a defining part of candidacy. something i'm most proud of when i associate myself with her. unlike other politicians who fudged theed -- bu issue. she has talked about what needs to be legislated. that is in contrast to donald trump. it gives her a mandate in that subject. i think there is an expectation and it could happen. charlie: talk about history. 12 years ago we saw history made in 2008. this nomination is history in itself area winning the general election would be remarkable history. we have watched in eight years the possibility. eric: i was born in 1951. i lived through the civil rights movement. if you had told me in college,

and law school my time early as , thater, the early 2000's i would serve under an african-american president, and a woman could be president i might have asked you to take a drug test. charlie: they will both be lawyers. eric: and here we are. that is something that is important. we can never forget that is a nation has made great progress. in spite of what donald trump says we have made great progress. we arecknowledge that doing a disservice to people. hillary clinton helmet donald trump is dangerous to the future of the country. he is temperamentally unsuitable to be president. there have been any number of disqualifiers to his candidacy. the latest is his invitation to the russians to get involved in

the hacking of a private citizen's e-mail. in fact he doesn't instinctually -- that he doesn't know there is frightening. he is a dangerous president. charlie: is it treasonous? .ric: i'm not sure that is a legal determination. i have the fbi, i would have stuff besides that statement. charlie: is it illegal in any way? to say to another country i want you to engage in illegal act. against a citizen of america. running for president.

said exactly that, that would be illegal. i'm not sure he said in that way. be importantwould making that legal determination. american bet every alarmed if they knew how much hacking goes on? eric: yes. there's a great deal of hacking for a whole variety of reasons that is not disclosed. charlie: for what reasons? eric: national security concerns. it would reveal sources and capabilities we have to detect and to defend against hacking done by a variety of entities. eric: they hacked john brennan's phone. they hacked the personnel. they hacked sony. other private companies. they have hacked the dnc. do you believe it was a russian

who hacked the dnc? eric: i really don't know. i'm not trying to avoid very -- avoid. possible. is entirely it's possible the russians were involved. i would not put it past them. pugin -- putin is a guy who would do something that for any world leader would say -- he has expressed admiration for him, talked about a desire to work with him in areas where we are in stark contrast, claim to have had a meeting with him. charlie: would it strengthen putin? eric: absolutely.

nato. charlie: we think the chinese have been engaged in hacking. chinese indicted five hackers. charlie: i assume we hack as well. eric: we do not do anything in the commercial sphere. charlie: that is what involve the president. the government was doing it on behalf of commercial companies. you are saying we don't do that. we do it for national security reasons? eric: we have capacities we make full use of. get in trouble with the justice department. you also said donald trump, you

question his gray matter. >> i wonder. he has a lack of substance. a person this far along in the process would know about what his plans are. with no about ho -- would know about who his mentors would be. i don't have any sense there is any of that. he seems to be a shallow man. charlie: because you don't see intellectual interests, anything other than a businessman. at winning.is set that is what he says america needs to do. america needs to win. eric: america does win. charlie: when against the chinese. eric: we are winning. we have the best economy in the world. our economy is in the of the world.

things, he sees everything in black and white terms. that is the rum of people who are not very smart. the tough stuff is in the gray areas, where you have to figure things out. , noas shown no interest capacity to operate in those gray areas. charlie: yet he will see a bump from his convention in swing states that are crucial. even. despite what you have said, dangerous, not smart enough -- he is even. eric: it's early to look at po s ls. i say as always i would look at florida. if he can't win florida, it

doesn't work. if you win pennsylvania. do you assume for hillary to win she has to win ohio and florida? eric: not necessarily. if you look at the electoral math and say that is what you would expect for hillary, there are states she could lose and be well be above 270. charlie: you are not attorney general, loretta lynch was when james comey released his judgment about the e-mail investigation. careless.e was she said he clarified that. did you think he clarified that? eric: i'm not sure. there was some clarity brought to the things he had said. if of the things is he said the information had been clearly

marked, there would have been a couple of things. charlie: carelessness is not a presidential holiday. -- quality. eric: but human beings make mistakes. some of our best leaders made mistakes. abraham lincoln suspended habeas corpus. it was a mistake. didie: and what she was a mistake and wrong. itc: she has acknowledged was wrong. i made mistakes as attorney general. charlie: i would try to get you to list them. eric: let's not do that. we make mistakes. our leaders are human. we don't want them to make huge mistakes in areas that are consequential. here you go with the

russians. let's assume it may have been the russians. it is a possibility. they could have hacked here. therefore, that is one question. did they deal with intent to influence the election? going back to the russians and the chinese, is it unreasonable to expect someone might have hacked her server in her house? is that unreasonable? eric: i don't think it is something you would expect it would happen simply because it was not an official government server. there are protections that can be built in. i don't know about the system. ,ou can build secure systems and a private setting put of secure systems. i can't vouch for that system.

charlie: nobody has evidence that it happened. eric: i don't know. charlie: it's possible. we have seen no evidence. eric: there's no evidence of a trump camp either. charlie: what is it about president obama that most brings a sense of pride to you? dignity, a sense that everyone admires. mother, and the protection of children, in a way that he want to be people to interest your children to a place and a leadership that they are safe. he said he had to wear dark sasha's graduation.

eric: he is an honorable guy. the person you see is who he is. he is funnier than he is in public. he's a person who though a , what's the right thing to do? he was told he had to do something to hillary and he said if i have to do that i don't want to be president. i thought this is why i'm attracted to this guy. charlie: in terms of value standards and lines he will not go beyond. eric: he says there is right, there is wrong and it may be a consequence but i want to do it nevertheless. history is going to be very kind to him. charlie: it's an interesting

thing. there is talk about her running as a third term for barack obama. , theinteresting to me polls that this country is on the wrong track. he has polls above 50%. eric: i don't understand that. by the normal traditional measures people should be saying we are in a good place. especially if you consider this country as opposed to other nations around the world. a part of that has to do with the campaign and the drumbeat people are fed by republicans about how bad things are when there are pockets of problems. charlie: when you say that, there is a sense of optimism

about america. when i ask him, what could make your belief not come true? strongest military, strongest technology, he said our politics. that is what could stop us. this function. eric: we have a dysfunctional system. that gums up so much where we could make progress with regards to infrastructure. wehole variety of things need the government to be involved in. the need for good government vendors -- endures. charlie: ronald reagan was wrong when he said government is the problem. eric: i think he was 100% wrong. said,e: bill clinton then

the era of big government is over. the country has said we are a center-right country. for demographic reasons because of the failure of some policies we are seeing a shift in this nation as a whole moving to the left. charlie: what does that mean? in the role of government? eric: yes. what it wants government to do, policies people want in place, conservative things that are being challenged in question. charlie: whether we want to be opened or closed. having to do with what america has been about. an openness to the rest of the world. >> that is a fundamental question. it is one that has been answered saying we want to be open to the world. advantage we have being

a diverse nation. charlie: but it does it feel to some because they are hurting and worried about economic security and worry about not having the life for their children that they had. eric: this is economic transition we are going through, and industrial society where we had lots of people on the factory line and things like that, and now robots are doing them. all sorts of artificial intelligence. this is a wrenching time for us. it's a time for leadership and optimism. we will get through this. charlie: if i have more questions about hacking can i call you? eric: absolutely. charlie: eric holder, back in a moment. stay with us. ♪

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charlie: we continue with a top democratic donor and close friend of the clinton family, a supporter of barack obama and a hugely successful wall street hedge fund man. he had been involved in democratic politics, and comes here this evening, i assume, to watch hillary clinton 's acceptance of the nomination. what does it mean to you? mark: i think it's great. i have three girls. my daughter is not months pregnant, due any day, and she

decided to come here. it's a big deal for women, and for me. i have known hillary a long time, and i think it's phenomenal. charlie: when did you first meet the clinton family? you are very close to the former president as well. mark: i met them when he was in the white house. we were friendly. after he left office, we ended up becoming much closer. charlie: take someone like you, mark, who i know, you are a friend of mine as well. you support political candidates. you bundle money for them. why do you do it? mark: part of it is i believe in it. i was not born here. i was born in morocco. for me, it's the ability to end up being involved in politics, the ability to help democratic causes, because it ends up helping people like me. when you first come to this country, i think you have an obligation. you should be giving back, and

it's something that i want to do. : donald trump says that people like you give money because they want something. marc: i know that. i also think that donald trump thinks people like me should not be allowed into this country, coming from rocco. [laughter] but at the end of the day, people do things for various reasons. the reason i'm doing it, at the end of the day, i do believe in the cause. i believe hillary will be a great president, so i would like to do anything i can to help that, and i think other people will also. charlie: you supported president obama. marc: yes. charlie: what is your assessment of how well he has done? marc: he has done a really good job. if you look at the market, right, from when he came into office to where the market is, it is reaching record highs. if you look at the economy, the economy is doing substantially better. charlie: but there are real concerns about the economy, and has's a reason the efed

not raised interest rates. marc: that's correct. but we have not gone into a recession. when things are going fine, everyone wants them to go better. when things are going well, everybody wants them to go great. when you look at where we were, to where we are today, i'm very happy at the job he has done. what i like to have less regulations in the financial sector? sure. charlie: but you can live with it. marc: you can live with it. charlie: and that came out of the congress primarily, through dodd-frank, which you supported. marc: i think at the end of the day the pendulum swung too far. there's too much regulation on the banks today, which is why you have fewer loans being made to the people who need those loans. charlie: there is a consensus that the democratic party is moving left. are you ok with that, in terms of your own, what you expect and would like to see? i would like the

party to be more to the center. charlie: where bill clinton was? marc: exactly. i understand why it is moving left. charlie: because the needs are different. marc: the knees are different for the country, but for the majority of americans it is best to be in the middle and to have those compromises. i don't know if you are able to do that. charlie: political people tell me, including those who you know, some who supported and worked for barack obama and no work for hillary clinton, they say to me -- now work for hillary clinton, they say to me, you look at this election, 45% of people strongly support one candidate, and 45% strongly support the democratic candidate, and in between is about 9% to 10% of people who have not made up their mind, who are independent, not affiliated either way. marc: i agree. charlie: and that's for the election will be decided. marc: it always is. i would think somebody who is independent is somebody who is reasonable and logical, and that person will vote for hillary,

when you see the different things that donald trump has done. so you would hope independents would till that way. -- tilt that way. charlie: business people, how do they feel about this election? i know that is a broad brush, and i realize that, but i read something the other day which said, the business elite, you're in the investment part, but people at general electric, big companies that make things, manufacturers, thinking about the business roundtable, people like that, and the chamber of commerce is not supporting donald trump. it's a trade issue. marc: it is. i think they would rather have hillary. what business wants the stability. they want transparency. they want to know what's happening. charlie: you make decisions based on expectations. marc: that's correct. you might not agree with everything hillary is doing, but you know where she stands. the problem with donald on the business side, you don't really know where he stands. you don't know what he's going to do. every day is different things.

that freaks people out. charlie: you are a constituent of hers. when she was a senator. did she listen? marc: i think she's great at listening. she really is. the thing that's great about hillary is, she's exceptionally bright, and she will listen to what you have to say and take it under consideration. the goal here for everyone is, at the end of the day, you have a president who is willing to listen, who will try to always do the right thing. charlie: how is she different from her husband, as a politician? marc: i don't think she's as good of a politician. [laughter] i think clinton is in a class by himself. charlie: she knows that. she in fact has said that. marc: it's true. it's just not her. she loves the policy part. she's exceptionally bright, understands the issues, and is willing to work those issues far, far harder. i think president clinton was different, in the sense that he would try to do everything all at once, and he loved being with people.

it's a very different mix. charlie: what does she need to do, in your judgment, to appeal to your friends, wherever they may be, who have reservations about her having to do with trust, having to do with changing positions on trade, for example? marc: what she has to do is be true to herself. at the end of the day, there's nothing wrong with saying what you believe and saying, i disagree with you, here's what we are going to do. i think the issue everyone has with hillary is, they are trying to figure her out. i don't think it's that complicated. i think she will explain what she wants to do. and i think if people listen, they will figure that out. to me, when i talk to her, it's much more, just tell everyone what they want -- what you want to do. it's fine. not everyone has to agree with you. but if you believe in it, you are going to be the president, you do what you think is best

for this country. charlie: in this line of questioning, factor in barack obama. how is he different, as a politician, from her and from president clinton? marc: well, i think president clinton loves the politics. [laughter] both are very cerebral. both are exceptionally bright, but one loves the politics of being out there, whereas i think president obama views that more as, that's what i need to do, rather than president clinton, who loves that part. charlie: he loves being out there. marc: he will never be early to any event. he's always late. he's always there, and he will stay. he just loves talking to people. loves hearing stories. charlie: you have contributed to the clinton foundation. marc: yes. charlie: some people worry there may be something there, and that the trump people will really focus on everything they can find out, meaning whether there was some give-and-take, some

cause and effect, some -- marc: i think they should look at it. i gave to the foundation, because i believed in what the foundation was doing. at the end of the day, people gave because they believed in it, and they believed in what president clinton was doing. the foundation did nothing wrong. i think there's always these questions, and at the end of the day, what the foundation did was help millions and millions of people, and i'm proud i gave to the foundation. charlie: in terms of the trust factor, how does she change that? she knows that's an issue for her. marc: i don't know how you change that. i really don't. i think people who know her absolutely trust her, and have a huge amount of faith. i don't know that because she has been around for a while, and there's always been negative attacks on her -- charlie: some argue, even the new york times, saying basically it goes way back when, and she

became very protective. marc: i think she is. she's a little more protective. charlie: she got to washington, and the whitewater investigation started. marc: everyone has been attacking her, since she came to washington. i think it's hard. i think people who know her will that for her. we have seen that today. you have seen that the last couple days. everyone talking about what a great person she is. and look, it's difficult. for a lot of people who don't know her. as people get to know her, they will trust for more. charlie: tell me what you think she will do for the economy. marc: i think at the end of the day, what she will do is try to help small businesses. who is going to re-create and get this economy through, 2%, 4%, 5%, making small business loans, helping people out who need that. i think that's what she will end up doing. the other thing that will really help this economy greatly is reducing loans from 9% to 2% or

1%. -- payingople playing 9% when the government is borrowing at 1%? charlie: what about trade? would be,ught she nafta was a strong component of president clinton 's term in office -- president clinton's term in office. he was involved in an believed in that. now we look at it, was it a good idea or not a good idea is to mark they look at the -- or not a good idea? they look at the tpp. where is she on trade? marc: she has to be for trade. charlie: you have to be pro-trade. marc: i think you do. because you live in an interconnected world, and to make believe that we don't as a country is just wrong. charlie: you can't be in isolation. if you're in isolation, you will not lead. marc: you will not lead. the u.s. has a moral responsibility to lead. that's really the question that's out there. are we supposed to be that

shining light? and i think we are. everybody wants to come live here in the unitas rates -- united states. i was find it amazing that people who are in the united states complain about living here, and everybody else's dying to come into this country. there seems to be a huge disconnect. look, we have to end up being part of this world, and us pulling out, which is what donald trump wants us to do, just isn't going to work. i think we need to do a better job, and hopefully that's going to end up happening. charlie: why did you want to come to the country? how did you come? was it your father? marc: my mother, actually. my mother was a schoolteacher, and my mother thought we had to leave morocco, if we wanted to get a good education, if we wanted to succeed. you go to america. it took years. i became a naturalized citizen when i was 13. every foreigner is dying to come here. if you won the lottery and were born in the united states, it's great, but if you are not, you

try to come here. think about it. somebody who came to this country ends up working and becoming friends with somebody who was the former president of the united states. i don't think that some and you could have done in other countries. charlie: and managing billions of dollars as well. marc: and owning a basketball team. charlie: milwaukee bucks. was that a dream of years? marc: it really was. i played in college. charlie: how about the knicks? [laughter] marc: that was never going to happen. he was never going to sell. charlie: is it because you played, that you wanted to own the team? marc: i played. i love basketball. i thought it was a phenomenal experience. i was involved in it my whole life. and then when i had the opportunity to why the milwaukee bucks, i did that about two years ago. charlie: so you go back and forth to milwaukee, or watch them on television? marc: i go back.

i go to the games. my son works in milwaukee. he's actually a delegate for the state of wisconsin. charlie: back to hillary, in terms of the trust element. what kind of cabinet do you think she would appoint? marc: that's an interesting question. i think it will be a diverse cabinet. i hope it will end up being people who are very, very good at their jobs. not political appointees. they end up being people who are really going to be able to make change, and fix things, which is part of the problem this country has right now. charlie: what's part of the problem? marc: you need to be able to fix things, turn things around, and have people who are going to be able to do that. charlie: would you like to serve in the government? think everybody would love to serve. i don't think i could, mainly because with the job that i have, i want to continue doing that. charlie: when she is on stage

tonight, it's the passing of a torch. marc: it is. charlie: from the first african-american president to the first woman nominated to be president, and perhaps president. it's a great country, isn't it? marc: it's a phenomenal country, that you could end up seeing that. i wanted to be part of history. that's what i wanted to go. charlie: thank you for coming. great to have you. we will be right back. stay with us.

charlie: we conclude with democratic political strategist james carville and republican strategist kellyanne conway. thank you for coming. has this been a good convention for democrats? kellyanne: it has been a decent convention for democrats, and the reason i say that is that it started out so rocky with the dnc e-mails. the next day, the bernie sanders protests. i don't think this is a convention hillary thought she would walk into, being the present of nominee for eight years since she lost the last time, but it got better as the week went on. a lot of the strongest voices, some of the best in the democratic party have spoken, and the party was very into it. we will see if it moves any independent or undecided voters, but it has been a good convention for them, in that hillary quentin enters this week with really tough headwinds in terms of two thirds of americans

find her to not be honest or trustworthy. charlie: they say the same thing about donald trump. kellyanne: very different reasons. this came at a really good time for her, and we will see how she makes her case tonight. . charlie: james jim? james: this is the best democrat convention i have ever seen. better than 1992. i hate to say that. kellyanne: i was there. charlie: the manager for the winning nominee? james: the quality of the speeches, the gravitas of the speakers, has been amazing, the whole convention. i was telling somebody tonight, if hillary clinton gives the fifth best speech tonight, it will be a great speech. kellyanne: lowering expectations. james: i'm not lowering. she will give a great speech. you are set up to succeed. who ever really gave a bad acceptance speech?

sarah palin -- 2012. look at what it did. if we remember, john mccain actually went ahead after the republican convention. i mean, i think this has been, the whole thing, the quality of the speeches has been literally breathtaking. it's the difference between meryl streep and scott baio. [laughter] kellyanne: if that is what the bar for the next commander in chief should be -- many of us are struck by absences. you don't hear a lot about freedom. you don't hear a lot about -- charlie: john allen is speaking tonight. kellyanne: i have seen the excerpts of hillary+ speech tonight -- hillary's speech tonight, and i'm struck by her talking directly to coal country. she needs to do that as a defensive tactic. earlier this year she went to

west virginia and promised she would put the coal industry out of work, and i think the trump-pence team will take that and drive it through the midwest, where there's a lot of steelworkers, a lot of coal miners, and a lot of people who appreciate those industries and those hard-working men and women who are offended. i don't think it will be a fight over west virginia here. redn't think it will turn and california will turn -- i will take that. i think this has undeniably been, i think this party is united. i'm looking at the tweets from republicans, from rich lowry, eric erickson. they were never trump people. james: this party is really united coming out of here, and you just hope -- charlie: speak to her point, a valid one. there is economic discontent,

and donald trump will try to take democrats, what used to be called reagan democrats, and get them on an economic argument to come over to his side. he will tell them of his virtue. james: and he will get -- most of the reagan democrats are not alive. he will do well, he will do better than mccain, better than romney did with non-college whites. he may not win college whites. be the firstb republican candidate in the history of polling to lose that demographic. kellyanne: or not. socially undesirable for many of them to say they are voting for donald trump, but they will feel more free to think this guy can win, so they can come out. people are looking for a reason to vote for donald trump and an excuse to vote against her. but if the polls are tight -- nate silver said there was an 83% chance that hillary would win, and this week, a remarkable

turnaround. charlie: we will come back to that. let me just stay with, what is the basic argument between, on economic issues, having to do with the welfare of the middle class, between donald trump and hillary clinton? kellyanne: several things. if you listen to some of the speeches, i listened to a woman from ohio, who said how she and her husband worked three jobs, hardly see each other, and her kids are asleep when she gets home. that's the kind of speech you expect at an anti-incumbent convention when you are not asking for four more years of that. so trump+ message -- trump's message is, you have not had a raise in a while, the cost of living is up. and i think the mistake that romney and mccain made in the past was jobs, job creators, the tampa convention. you have to ask to the job holders, not the jobseekers or job creators.

we have jobs, but they are not secure, and we are still white knuckle paying the bills. and look at the non-tpp here. these are potential trump voters saying no tpp. james: there's a very distinct difference. donald trump thinks you can yank the country back to some day we had 20 years ago. hillary clinton, barack obama, bill clinton, joe biden, tim kaine, believe that you can forge a better future for the country. i don't think, i think his message to people is, there was something you had and we can go back and grab that. that's his slogan, make america great again. that's the difference in this election. do we want to yank ourselves back to something that in our minds we had, or forge a better future? and i think you'll hear a lot of that tonight. you heard a lot of that from president obama. you heard a lot of that coming from this podium. i think it has been a very effective credential in that sense. charlie: here's what's

interesting to me. a lot of this choice seems to be, the other person is so bad, you have got to, i am the least bad choice. james: i haven't heard that up here. -- i listen to a lot of it. charlie: donald trump, every speech has been attacking him, almost as unfit to be president. kellyanne: yes. james: nobody attacked john kerry in 2004? this is typical in a convention charlie: the republican convention, you heard the worst things said about hillary kenton. rudy giuliani, the indictments. put her in prison? that is not my cup of tea at all. but i will say, there are clear choices. do you want the kind of change that bill clinton and james carville wanted in 1992?

they are trying to make killer clinton a change-maker, and nobody believes that. her best argument is that -- they are try to make hillary clinton a change-maker, and nobody believes that. the problem is, she has been fighting for women and children for 30 years, and if you have millions of women and children in poverty, wage stagnation, your own speakers saying, i have three jobs and cannot make ends meet, where is the product, where is the success of hillary clinton? james: i guess, i guess i'm not surprised that kellyanne is not impressed by the democratic argument. but what i am surprised by, people are astonished politics breaks out of a political convention. the idea that they are saying not nice things about the opponent. that's what these things do. charlie: so there's no difference in the level of attack? kellyanne: there is. it's not working. what's different is -- charlie: let him finish. james: we are going to filibuster here on the charlie rose show. i think what you have seen here is a constant level of

accomplished people talking about how we can forge a better future in this country, and about how hillary clinton does that. what you heard in cleveland is a lot of c-plus people talking about yanking america back to a better day, making a country that in their mind used to exist. this train is moving forward. when this train leaves philadelphia, it's going toward the future. charlie: what kind of bump will come out of this convention? james: i think we will do well. i think we have had a very effective convention. i amtly, deep down inside, very optimistic about this cycle. i think the big question is, republicans, so many of them, this will be a, daddy, what did you do in the war? were you a trump, or did you go with the george wills of the world, the michael bloombergs of the world, the people who stood up to him. ben sasse, people like that.

charlie: ted cruz. kellyanne: gentlemen, why are the polls exactly tied? in fact, trump is ahead. what is different this cycle, you don't have parity in terms of the number of ads and expenditures by the two campaigns. that's was really remarkable, charlie. you had tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars spent against donald trump, and people are becoming impervious to it. the other important point, because elections are about the future, not the past, but hillary represents the past. i don't think the independent voters are buying. charlie: is she talking about major issues? kellyanne: like what? where are the specifics? charlie: that is the central question raised. the 10-pointok at veterans administration reform plan. charlie: why is the chamber of commerce against donald trump? kellyanne: because he is not

their hand-picked candidate. they had five others ahead of him. there is a lot of sanctimony in the republican party right now. charlie: sanctimony? kellyanne: absolutely. i'm sure you love it. but it's true. james: i like that. high horse sanctimony. kellyanne: i will tell you, it's a serious issue, because in the the corrosive word in the republican party has been electability. the democrats never do that, they elevate, get people like bill clinton, barack obama, who they say can't win, and they win. it's time for us to do that. charlie: there is a structural advantage in the electoral map for hillary clinton, including the demographics of the ascendancy, they say. james: i wrote a book that said the democratic coalition has ascended. i have thought that for quite some time. there are actually more democrats in the country than republicans, and i think if we

come out of here tonight with a united democratic party -- charlie: thank you for joining us. see you next time.

mark: with all due respect to donald trump, not everyone voting for hillary clinton is little. ♪ ♪ john: welcome to gotham city. the political media industrial complex of session with the can -- obsession with the conventions is now over. today is the eve of the 100 day mark