john: i am john heilemann. mark: i am mark halperin. >> can you please keep it down? we are trying to make history here. ♪ >> welcome to this addition of "best of with all due respect." hillary clinton became the first female presidential nominee of a major political party. it was an historic star-studded democratic convention and donald trump found ways to make headlines.

we will be hearing about it all. let's start with hillary clinton in her own words in philadelphia. hillary clinton: just ask yourself, you really think donald trump has the temperament to become commander-in-chief? donald trump cannot even handle the rough and humble of the presidential campaign. -- humble of a presidential campaign. he loses his cool at the slightest provocation. when he has gotten a tough question from a reporter who we challenged in a debate, when he sees a protester at the rally, imagine, if you dare imagine, imagine him in the oval office facing a real crisis. a man you can bait with the tweets is not the man we can trust with nuclear weapons. [cheering] hillary clinton: i can't put it

any better than jackie kennedy did after the cuban missile crisis. she said that would worried president kennedy doing that very dangerous time was that a war might be started. not by big men with self-control and restraint, but by little men, the once moved by fear and pride. -- ones moved by fear and pride. [applause] hillary clinton: america's strength does not come from lashing out. it relies on smarts, judgment, cool resolve and the precise and strategic application of power, and that is the type of commander-in-chief i pledge to be. [cheering] hillary clinton: if we are serious about keeping our country safe, we also can't

afford to have a president who is in the pocket of the gun lobby. [cheering] hillary clinton: i am not here to repeal the second amendment. i am not here to take away your guns. i just don't want you to be shot by someone who should not have a gun in the first place. [cheering] hillary clinton: we will work tirelessly with responsible gun owners to pass commonsense reforms and keep guns out of the hands of criminals, terrorists, and all others who would do us harm.

for decades, people have said this issue was too hard to solve in politics, too hot to touch, but i ask you, how can we stand by and do nothing? you heard, you saw family members of people killed by gun violence on this stage. you heard, you saw family members of police officers killed in the line of duty because they were outgunned by criminals. i refuse to believe we cannot find common ground here. we have to heal the divides in our country, not just on guns, but on race, immigration, and more. [applause] hillary clinton: and that starts

with listening to each other. listening to each other, trying as best we can to walk in each other's shoes, so let's put ourselves in the shoes of the young black and latino men and women who face the effective -- effect of systemic racism and who may just feel like their lives are disposable. let's put ourselves in the shoes of police officers kissing their kids and spouses goodbye every day, heading off to do a dangerous and necessary job. we will reform our criminal justice system from end-to-end and rebuild trust between law enforcement and the communities they serve. [applause] hillary clinton: and we will defend our rights, civil rights, human rights and voting rights,

women's rights, workers rights, lgbt writes, and the rights of people with disabilities. [cheering] hillary clinton: and we will stand up against me and divisive rhetoric, wherever -- against mean and divisive rhetoric, wherever it comes from. for the past year, many people made the mistake of laughing off donald trump's comments, excusing him as an entertainer putting on a show. they thought he could not possibly mean all the horrible things he says, like when he called women pigs or so that an american judge cannot be fair because of his mexican heritage, or when he mocked and mimicked a reporter with a disability or insults prisoners aboard like john mccain, a hero and patriot who deserves our respect.

at first, i admit, i cannot believe he meant it either. it was just too hard to fathom that someone who wants to lead our nation could say those things, could be like that, but here's the sad truth. there is no other donald trump. this is it. in the end, it comes down to what donald trump does not get. america is great because america is good. [applause] hillary clinton: enough with the bigotry and bombast. donald trump does not offer real change. he offers empty promises. what are we offering?

a bold agenda to improve the lives of people across our country to keep you safe, to get you good jobs, to get your kids the opportunities they deserve. the choice is clear, my friends. every generation of americans has come together to make our country freer, fairer, and stronger. none of us ever have or can do it alone. i know that i had a time when so much seems to be pulling this apart, it can be hard to imagine how we will ever pull together, but i'm here to tell you tonight progress is possible. i know because i have seen it in the lives of people across america to get knocked down and get right back up, and i know it from my own life. more than a few times, i have had to pick myself up and get back in the game. [cheering]

hillary clinton: like so much else in my life, i got this from my mother, too, she never let me back down from any challenge. when i tried to hide from a neighborhood bully, she literally blocked the door. go back out there, she said. she was right. you have to stand up to bullies. you have to keep working to make things better, even when the odds are long and the opposition is fierce. ♪ >> bernie sanders's campaign manager talks about getting supporters to fall in line at the dnc. ♪ >> brotherly love is sweltering

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temperatures in the mid-90's and humidity over 100%. joining us to talk about this caught mess of the convention rollout, bernie sanders' campaign manager. i have my gavel and i will hit you. you said a lot of people per sanders will not be for hillary clinton. at this convention, are they easier to control? >> nobody is under control. it is a democratic convention. it will be great. we will come out unified, beat donald trump, and we will go forward. >> so far, there has been a lot of chanting of bernie and doing of hillary. you cannot control them, but what can you do to help? >> we sent them e-mails, texts, encourage them to act with a certain level of the current. >> -- certain level of the quorum. >> but it hasn't worked so far.

>> i have not been on the floor yet. >> they are chanting for bernie and against her. >> can you do anything to quiet the people beyond the text? >> has the convention goes on, as people get into the spirit of unity, you will see change. >> just to get to the broader question -- >> mark? >> there was a time when bernie sanders was the leader of the movement. pass the movement -- is the movement out of the barn door? this movement now has a life force of its own. >> it certainly does and always has. bernie sanders did not create the movement. the movement was of people in the country upset about status quo. he did galvanize it and became the face of the movement, but this is never about one campaign. >> what does it matter if the endorses or tonight?

jeff: i think he is extremely influential with the people who love supported him and the fact that he has laid out the case about why we need to support hillary clinton and is the trump is very persuasive with many people. >> this speech is not done, but are you adding things now to try and deal with the reality of what happens to senator sanders? jeff: senator sanders writes speeches to the last minute, so i am sure will incorporate the current events. >> is he aware of the fact that this is unexpectedly volatile? he sought with his own eyes this afternoon. jeff: i would not say unexpectedly volatile. i would not use that characterization. >> when he says, i endorse hillary clinton, did you ask back -- do you expect cap of the convention hall to be brewing? >> no.

>> it seems based off the today that it will. >> that room today was not just delegates but there were other people in there as well. i think the delegates are a subset of the people in that room. >> do you feel as though his endorsement of tim kaine was wholehearted? jeff: i think it was an honest endorsement of tim kaine. i think it is important to point out that whatever reservations people have about tim kaine, on his worst days, as sanders said, he paraphrases 10 times better than donald trump, so yes, i do. >> one thing we like is you are pretty calm. i am trying to get a sense of how you feel about what is going on, or your supporters are threatening to disrupt part of the convention. are you indifferent, sad, angry, confused? jeff: i am always calm on the outside. >> what is going on inside? how do you feel about it?

jeff: i hope people behave respectively. >> are you in turmoil, happy? what do you feel? jeff: i feel like i wish people would act with some decorum and i will try to make that happen. >> i think you are probably mostly hungry. jeff: i will not say it is not true. >> is there a role for senator sanders this week after tonight? jeff: absolutely, yes. i think it is a part of this unifying function that he is going to be playing and bringing people together. >> what will he be doing? jeff: speaking that delegation breakfasts, meeting with different groups of people, delegations. >> he goes for the extra and eric grassroots fundraising mechanism. will he be pulling his full shoulder into using that fundraising and mechanism be built to try to raise money for her? jeff: there are discussions about what that will affect and how that plays.

i hate to talk about discussions. >> where will they end up? jeff: you never know. >> what are the areas of discussion? jeff: they would like him to send e-mails to their list. >> why wouldn't he do that if the endorses or? jeff: i don't know that he won't. >> prize and he already on board? jeff: they are not saying boo. >> what is there left to negotiate? jeff: he is for her. that is your characterization. >> you just told me that i was not a good negotiator. >> every time secretary clinton is mentioned, your people are booing. what i continue for the next four days? jeff: i hope not. >> if you really want to make people think he is for her, jeff weaver, thank you for coming.

>> when we come back, our conversation with senator bob casey. ♪ >> our next guest uses

convention speech last night. we welcome the democratic delegate, senator bob casey of the commonwealth pennsylvania one of our host for the week. thank you. if i put you in a room with 12 sanders' supporters, once you are unhappy, and you were to make the case, what would you say? senator casey: i would focus on the middle class. one thing hillary said and she put it on her website, she says -- and i'm paraphrasing --

raising income for hard-working americans, i think that is the place of unity and i think it was the focus of hillary's campaign and bernie's as well. [applause] >> there are two separate questions. when we have [indiscernible] senator casey: i think we will be well on the way the unity but there will be work after this. i do not think unity occurs at the magic moment in the convention. it will take some work. my sense of this, i do not have data to back it up, but my sense is we will have to spend more time this summer focusing on younger voters, but i think we will get there. a lot of that is drawing the contrast, which is evident between the two candidates. >> we just saw senator sanders' brother overseas cast his vote.

the dnc, evidence now released pretty clearly that people at the dnc supported hillary clinton, favorite or in the process. in real time, we suck senator sanders asked for more debates and hillary clinton asking for a few her. she got her way. do feel comfortable saying the dnc favored hillary clinton during the nomination process? senator casey: i do not know enough about the content of the e-mails, but there's a question there has to be accountability in the potential violations. what we have to do now is vocus on winning the general election. >> you do not know enough to say that the democratic party favored hillary clinton? senator casey: i have not read enough. the reporting seems to indicate that. >> is that aggravate you that the viewers of your party would favor one candidate over the others? senator casey: it will outrage me if there is not

accountability, but i think there is time to impose that. >> what kind of things would you look for to say? senator casey: i am not a dnc mechanic. what i have got to do now is sure we win. and she will, by the way. >> you think? let's talk about that. there are polls in your state that have shown a close racing poll. wire you as confident about pennsylvania as you are? senator casey: because of who the candidate is and who the candidate is on the other side. our state is relatively close. last time, the president won by five, but i think she will win mostly because of the undecided voters get to that choice, not just between the candidates, but the two with national and economic security, i think hillary will do quite well. >> in the end, do you donald trump will do better in pennsylvania than mitt romney?

senator casey: slightly but not enough to win. >> why? senator casey: it may be because his focus on the trade issue is one reason, and we still have to make sure that people know that there is a basic difference. you are talking about the candidate in terms of trump who has no economic plan that i can point to that focuses on the fundamentals of what the middle class has been concerned about in this idea that i think has been very elusive for both parties. >> how do put together a strategy to raise wages? senator casey: after world war ii, wages went up into the 1970's and 9% for the next 40 years. we are at the end of the 40 years. we have a challenge that we got to meet. >> you are a good friend of president obama. have you talked amid all about when he thinks about the speech he will get tomorrow night? senator casey: i have not. last time we talked was about

national security. i think you'll figure it out. i will say he has got a high bar to meet after the first lady speaking muslim. >> that is true -- speaking last night. >> that is true. what is the brief breach of them in the high-profile speeches the next two nights? senator casey: for president clinton, i hope you would give a speech which is the validation of not just her service but how she improve people's lives in the time that she was the end advocate -- the young advocate. for president obama, maybe similar, maybe more per time as secretary of -- we will have to hold on there. >> georgia, you have cast 87 votes for hillary clinton [indiscernible]

thank you, again. >> the rollcall continues. we will watch it as you go through the program. senator, thank you for hosting us and joining us. >> still ahead, president obama's former litigation director and her take on the democratic convention. ♪

♪ >> our party has chosen a man to lead us who represents the best of our country. h that man is john kerry. he will never sacrifice our basic liberty or use faith as a wedge to divide us. mark: that was either barack obama or his son making a speech the last time at a convention that was not his own. joining us now, a democratic strategist. how is the convention going so far? >> i think it is telling the story of the candidate, what kind of country the candidate sees.

it has to be considered a success. they had a low bar after cleveland last week. i think that that was cleared about the time they gaveled open. the first two nights have done a great job and illustrated some basic things about hillary clinton that get lost in the campaign. john: tell me what is in the mind of barack obama as he gears up to do this speech -- >> i do not know what is in the mind of -- john: you know. >> i don't know. john: what is his focus? >> to make the best case for why hillary clinton should be elected president. that is a focus about why this election is so important and he

is someone who stays very, very focused on the main issue here. there is also a part of the speech to address where we have been as a country and where we are going. painting this job as one only hillary clinton is going to fill. mark: the lead story, i predict, will not be about barack obama or bill clinton. it will be about russia. and what trump did. we are trying to figure out if it was a success or a failure. are voters likely to learn anything about what is happening in his convention as opposed to what is going on with vladimir putin? >> i think everyone has looked at the ratings this week. it has been very encouraging in terms of these speeches. with the late news tonight and what you will see on social media, you will have telling speeches, some of the party felt

-- party's most compelling speakers. john: you were the communications director at a time of peak trump craziness in the white house. you were around when trump was assaulting the president, rising the birther issue. insight, how does that make the president feel personally, donald trump is a republican nominee? >> i think when the thing got up at the white house correspondents dinner when he discussed the birther movement did the best job anyone ever will at telling the world what he goes about donald trump in the issue. i was gone from the white house, but i was around for the first round of the birther stuff, during the 2008 campaign. we were a campaign that prided itself on transparency, putting these things out. i never thought i would have to work on a campaign where we would have to put somebody birth

certificate on the web for everybody to look at and even then it was the short version -- not "the real version." mark: you are a big campaign fan, right? >> i love tim kaine. >> they start to realize they are number two. you're speaking on the same night as joe biden and barack obama. do you think that tim kaine will chafe at this in the next four months? or is that not his personality? >> i think tim kaine walked into this knowing exactly what the job is and embracing the job. he was one of three in 2008 and had plenty of time back then to think about what it means to give up your own agenda. mark: i'm sorry, but joe biden fought and really fights for a seat at the table. >> i think hillary clinton made it clear, she wants a vice president who has a big seat at the table, a governing partner. one thing that was striking on

saturday, she looked terrific. she was happy, she was natural. her tone was terrific. mark: he makes her better. >> he makes her better and she really likes him. john: one quality that is not evident in tim kaine is the ability to take the wood to someone. does he have the capacity to be an attack dog? will he be a tough debater against mike pence? >> tim kaine has been elected governor and senator in a genuinely purple state. in four years, you might call it a blue state. i think now we can call it a purple state. those are tough elections. those are not easy elections. he has won them. my assessment of kaine, he is one of those politicians who has the ability to deliver a negative message without sounding negative. that's important. mark: have you seen any indications that the bill clinton speech played any better

outside the hall then inside the hall, which was relatively subdued white folk? >> i haven't seen any data on it. that speech was interesting, in one sense that no one has heard a male spouse make that speech about a female. it had some any of the classic elements of a spouse speech at a convention and we are all looking at it and thinking, oh, my gosh. we have not heard that speech made about a woman. i thought it was interesting reactions just based on that. john: not just that, but we have seen bill clinton be pyrotechnic in past convention speeches and he was much more subdued and much more of a surrogate, forgetting about the gender dynamics. >> i think tim kaine embraces his role as number two and bill clinton is learning his role as a surrogate and a spouse. what he gave last night was in many ways the classic spousal speech. i will tell you a little bit about our private life, some

anecdotes -- which none of the trumps did last week, no personal anecdotes. taking chelsea to college and and hillary was going around doing all of the unpacking and stuff like that -- not only did it ring true. i thought it was an important point mark: when we come back, we talk about the convention, the campaign, and the clintons. ♪

♪ mark: we are here live, democratic convention at the wells fargo center in philadelphia, the early part of the fourth and final day of this convention. they are playing a video now. lots of speakers leading up to hillary clinton. a big night for going to preview that speech, talk about the

convention with a former president of candidate and longtime friend, associate and occasional rival of the clintons , reverend jackson, welcome. it's your first time on the show. we are happy to have you here. you have known the clintons for a long time. i first met you in 1992, when bill clinton was running for president, and you and he had at times a contentious relationship. let's talk about your history with the clintons and how you have watched them become the first family of the democratic party. >> they were doing free legal work, that stood out. they werein the deep south, reaching out. then i watched as they went to the white house, the health care i watched her grow. bill always had the sort of southern folklore -- he could talk oxford talk.

he could then play the saxophone. he could kind of do it all. i watch them grow. of course, bill's record as president was successful and he has never stopped working. john: one of the things at the time, you were clearly on the liberal end of the spectrum. bill clinton and hillary clinton were modernizers, they were more centrist. do you think now, when you look at hillary clinton -- this the question progressives all have -- is she really a progressive now? has she gone where the party is? or is she a closet dlc person? mark: calling democrats the leisure class. >> the tension was, they were trying to get the votes that reagan had. we were trying to get people we never had. rainbow outlasted dlc. while he tried to govern as deal -- dlc, his new votes came from

the rainbow. as a matter of fact, they had the senate majority. lousisiana,na, and because blacks in the south voted in big numbers for the first time. i think hillary has had -- she -- those generation of voters, those could not be ignored. she has made an adjustment. john: you think she is no longer a deal new democrat. she is a democrat democrat, a rainbow, push kind of democrat? >> in the sense that, supporting health care, that is not left. a commitment now to radically reducing student loan debt, that is a concession. banks, she wanted to trust to the banks with removing glass-steagall. there is much more strengthened hearings to make banks were -- more accountable.

that's an accommodation. the things she has done to accommodate represent growth and a new reality. mark: my guess is you and donald trump have known each other over the years, right? >> over a long time. mark: tell me your best donald trump story. >> we were going to different boxing matches and donald trump, tyson, don king, those kinds of matches, and he was an affable guy. we did the rainbow and wall street project at the world trade center. when we began to try to open up wall street for blacks and latinos to do business, he gave us office space for a year. mark: so, helping with that project, hanging out, my guess is before this race you thought he was a pretty fun guy to be around, right? >> affable, for social events. but he was one of the first and the birther movement. mark: that's a pretty big signal. >> trying to challenge the

legitimacy of president obama and he kept going further with that, and now he has gone from that to wanting to kill health care, which affects 30 million people, will not support raising wages for working people. his foreign policy isn't anything rational. said hillary can't say radical islam. he can't say anything critical of putin. the idea of deporting 15 million people, it just can't be done. we share 2000 miles with mexico, but also trade with mexico. we do more trade with them than japan. these ideas could destabilize the country. mark: and you want to debate him? >> i'm anxious to.

i have some credibility. discuss ideas about europe and america are dangerous. -- this guy's ideas about europe and america are dangerous. john: a lot of democrats think donald trump is a stone cold racist. do you agree with that? >> i don't want to go into that. i think that it is unfortunate. [indiscernible] it is almost childish. he is the republican party's face, and if he won, he will be america's president. where does he stand with health care? in this city, of 500,000 people, unemployment is 3%, for blacks, it is 12%. in this state of pennsylvania, 4%, 5%. that is real stuff.

we need to think -- i thought he running on his ability to deal -- he got back into it. mark: sarah mcbride, the first openly transgender person to speak at either party's convention. could a transgender person speak at the clinton's convention in 1992? >> not 1992 maybe. [indiscernible] there is a little culture shock. [laughter] >> it was civil. i think all of us -- mark: is the democratic party changing faster than the country, or leading the way or -- >> bernie took us to another level. when we first got, what women

could not serve on juries. for a while it did not vote. now it is voting. the new reality, the energy in the markets are those that were locked out. so, women when hillary makes the glass ceiling, it's not just the glass ceiling. mark: a lot of changes. >> a lot of changes taking place. they will rise the tide. i think hillary has made the adjustment, and i also think people will be working on accountability beyond the election. mark: reverend jackson, good to have you. hope you come back this year a lot. >> you're the man. john: when we come back, more of our best, best, best interviews from this past week. ♪

♪ president obama: for four years i had a front row seat to her intelligence, her judgment, and her discipline.

i came to realize that her unbelievable work ethic wasn't for praise, it wasn't for attention. that she was in this for everyone who needs a champion. [applause] president obama: i understood that after all of these years, she has never forgotten just to she is fighting for. hillary has still got the tenacity that she had as a young woman, working at the children's defense fund, going door-to-door, to ultimately make sure kids with disabilities could get a quality education. [applause] president obama: she still has the heart she showed as our first lady, working with congress to push through a children's health program that to this day protects millions of kids. [applause] president obama: she is still seared with the memory of every american she met who lost loved ones on 9/11.

which is why she fought so hard to help first responders, to help the city rebuild areas as -- why as secretary of state, she sat with me in the situation room and forcefully argued in favor of the mission that took out bin laden. [applause] president obama: you know -- nothing truly prepares you for the demands of the oval office. you can read about it, you can study it. but until you have sat at that desk, you don't know what it's like to manage a global crisis , or send young people to war. but hillary has been in the room. she has been part of those decisions. she knows what is at stake in the decisions our government

makes, what is at stake for the working families, for the senior citizens, the small business owners, the soldiers, the veterans. and even in the midst of crisis, she listens to people and she keeps her cool and she treats everybody with respect. and no matter how daunting the odds, no matter how much people tried to knock her down, she never, ever quit. [applause] president obama: that she never, ever quits. that is the hillary that i know. that is why i say with confidence there has never been a man or a woman, not me, not bill, nobody, and more qualified than hillary clinton to serve as the president of the united states of america. mark: that was present barack obama, of course, bring down the house at the democratic national

convention in philadelphia on wednesday. thanks for watching this edition of the best of "with all due respect." we will see you monday. until then, sayonara. ♪

♪ announcer: from a our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. charlie: in philadephia, this is the night hillary clinton accepted the nomination for president of the united states . in so doing, she made history. we are taping this the shortly before chelsea introduces her mother and what is to be the most important speech of her life. chelsea: there is something else my mother taught me, public