not raised interest rates. and other indications of that. >> that is right. when things are going fine everybody wants things to do better when it's fine. what is going well, everybody wants it to go great. when you look at where we are to where we are today, i am very happy at the job he has done. would i like to have had less regulation in the financial sector? sure. charlie: but you can live with that. >> you can live with it and that is exactly it. charlie: and it came out of the congress primarily. dodd-frank, which he supported. >> at the end of the day, i think the president's a little one bit too far. there is too much relation on the banks today and that is why i think this sort of people need those loans. charlie: there is a consensus the democratic party is moving left. not late. [laughter] >> late and left. charlie: are you ok with that in terms of what you would like to see in the party contribute to? >> i would like the party to be

more to the center. charlie: like bill clinton? >> exactly. i understand it is moving left. charlie: the needs are different? >> the needs of the country are different. at the end of the day, i think for most americans it is best that hillary is in the middle. to have compromises, do not know if you're going to be able to do that. charlie: political people tell me, those you know in some new supported for barack obama enough or hillary clinton given when you look at this election, 45%, one candidate. republican candidate. in 45 support the democratic candidate. and in between is about 9% or 10% of people who have not made up their minds are independent , not affiliated either way. that is where the election will be decided. >> it always is. somebody who is reasonable and logical, that person is going to vote for hillary after they see all the different things donald trump has done.

you would hope the independent would tilt that way. did business people feel about this election? i realize that is a broad brush. but i read something the other that said something like the business elite the investors, , general electric and big companies, manufacturing business, i'm thinking about the business roundtable. and the chamber of commerce is not supporting donald trump. on the trade issue. >> i think that rather have hillary. what business wants is stability. they want transparency. they want to know what is happening. charlie: so they can make decisions based on expectations. >> that is correct. you might not agree with everything hillary says, but you know where she stands. the problem with donald on the business side you don't really know where he stands. don't know what he is going to do. every day is sort of a different thing and that freaks people out. charlie: you are a constituent

of hers when she was a senator. did she listen? >> i think she is great at listening. she really is. the thing that is great about hillary is she is exceptionally bright and will listen to it you have to say and given -- and take it under consideration. so the goal here for everybody is at the end of the day you have a president who is willing to listen who will try to do the right ring. that's right thing. -- do the right thing. charlie: how she different from her husband as a politician? >> i do not think she is as good a politician. i think clinton is in a class i himself. charlie: and she knows that. she was practically said that. >> she love's the policy part. right? she is exceptionally bright, understands the issues, and is willing to work those issues far harder. i think president clinton was different in the sense he would try to do everything all at once and loved being with people. it is a very different mix.

charlie: what do she need to do in your judgment to appeal to your friends wherever they may be who have reservations about her having to do with trust? having to do with changing positions on trade? >> i think what she has to do is be true to her self. -- herself. there is nothing wrong with saying you believe or disagree, and here's what we are going to do. i think the issue everybody has with hillary is there trying to figure her out and i do not think it is that complicated. i think she will explain what she wants to do. i think if people listen hard they will figure it out. , when i talked to her, it is much more -- tell me what you want to do. if they don't agree, fine. if you believe in it and you are going to be the president, do what you think is best for the country.

charlie: factor in barack obama. how is he different as a politician from her and president clinton? >> president clinton loved the politics. both are very cerebral. both are exceptionally bright. but one loves the politics of being out there, whereas i think president obama views that more as that is what i need to do. rather than president clinton loved that part of out there. charlie: he loves being out there. he loves it. >> yes. he will never be early to any event. he is always late. he loves talking to people and being there. he always wants to hear somebody's story. charlie:: you contributed to the clinton foundation. some people worry there may be something there and the tribe -- some people are going to focus on everything they can find out, whether there was some

give-and-take, cause-and-effect. >> i think they should. there was no give and take. i gave to the foundation because i believed in what the foundation was doing. at the end of the day, people gave because they believed in it they gave because they believed in what president clinton was doing. the foundation did nothing wrong. i think there is always the sort of questions where at the end of the day what the foundation was doing was helping millions and millions of people. i am proud again to the foundation. charlie: and terms of the trust factor, how does she change that? she knows that is an issue for her. >> i don't know how she is going to change that. i really don't. i think people who know her absolutely trust her and have a have a huge amount of faith. it has always been negative attacks on her. charlie: one of the paper says it goes back, she became very

protective. >> i think she is. charlie: literally, she got to washington and the whitewater investigation started. >> everybody has been attacking hers and she can to washington. >> i think it is hard. i think people who know her well vouch for her. we saw this today. the last couple days. everybody talking about what a great person she is. i think it is difficult for a lot of people who do not know her. hopefully as people get to know her they will trust her more. ,charlie:: tell me what you think she will do for the economy. i think at the end of the day when she is going to help small businesses. she wants to help people. that is who is going to re-create and get this economy going to 3%, 4%, 5%. getting small business loans and helping out people who need that. that is which is going to end up

doing and reduce student loans 9%. why are people still paying 9% when u.s. government is borrowing at 1%? charlie: what about trade? people thought she would be -- nafta was a strong proponent of president clinton's term in office. he and bob wooten believed in that. looked at nafta and said, was that a good idea or not a good idea? look at the tpp and even she raises questions about it. where is she on trade? >> look, i think she is got to be pro-trade. charlie: you have to be pro-trade. >> you have to because we live in an interconnected world. if you believe -- charlie: you cannot be in isolation. if you're in isolation, you cannot lead. >> i think the united states has a moral responsibility to lead. that is the question that is out there. i was supposed to be that

shining light? i think we are. everybody wants to come live here in the united states and for the people who are not in the united states, they complain about living here. and everyone else is dying to get into this country. there seems to be a huge disconnect with that. we have to end up being part of this world. us pulling out which is what , donald trump wants to do, just is not going to work. i think we need to do a better job and hopefully that will end up happening. charlie: why did you want to come to the country? was it your father? >> it was my mother. my mother was a schoolteacher and she felt that we had to leave morocco. if you wanted to get a good education and succeed, you go to america. i became a naturalized citizen when i was 13. every foreigners dying to come here. if you one the lottery born in the united states, that is great. but if not, you try to come here and this is the only

country where i put it on what i did. think about it. somebody who came to this country ends up working and becoming friends with somebody who is the ex-president of the united states, i do not think that is something you could of done in any other country. and owning a basketball team. charlie: the milwaukee bucks. was that a dream of yours? >> it really was. i played in college. charlie: did you ever talk to dolan about selling me the knicks? >> that is never going to happen. that will never happen. charlie: is it because you played that you wanted to on the team? >> i played. i loved basketball. it was a phenomenal experience, i was involved in it my whole life and then when i had the opportunity to buy the milwaukee bucks, i ended up doing that about two years ago. charlie: so you just go back and forth to the walking or watch them on television? >> my son is a delegate for the

state of wisconsin. he is a delegate for the state of wisconsin. charlie: back to hillary in terms of the press element what , kind of cabinet do you think she would appoint? >> i think you will find a diverse cabinet. i think hopefully it will end up being people who are very, very good at their jobs. right? they are not political appointees. they end up being people who really are going to make change and fix things. that's part of the problem this country has right now. problem?what is the >> you have to be able to turn things around and sort of have people who are able to do that. charlie: would you like to serve sir -- in the government? >> i think everybody would love to serve. i do not think i could. mainly because with the job that i have i want to continue doing that. charlie: when she is on stage

tonight, it is the passing of the torch. the first african american president to the first woman nominated to be president, and perhaps president. it is a great country. >> it is. a phenomenal country where you can see that and i want to be a part of history. that's why i would come. charlie: thank you here it -- thank you. we will be right back. stay with us. ♪

♪ charlie: we conclude with democratic strategist james carville and republican strategist kellyanne conway. thank you both for coming. has this been a decent time for -- the good events for democrats? kellyanne: i don't think it is the convention hillary clinton thought she would walk into. he has basically been the presumptive nominee for eight years and she lost the last time but it has gotten better as the , week has worn on. charlie: teeing up for her tonight. kelly and -- the strongest voice for the best order in the credit party has already spoken and the crowd was very enthused. we'll see if independent or undecided voters long term. it's been a good convention in that hillary clinton enters this week with really tough headwinds in terms that two thirds of americans said they did not find

her to be honest or trustworthy. she is tied are within the margin of error -- for very different reasons. she tied in the swing state polls with donald trump. they came at a good time for her and we will see how she makes her case tonight. charlie: james? james: i think it was the best democratic convention i've ever seen. better than 1992. charlie: better the 92? james: i hate to say it. the quality of the speeches. the gravitas of the speeches. it has just been amazing. the whole convention. i was telling somebody if , hillary clinton gives the fifth best speech at a convention tonight, she will be all right. ann: i think that's a way to lower expectations. james: liver really give a bad acceptance speech?

sarah palin. sarah palin, in 2012. if you look at what he did and if we remember, john mccain actually went ahead after the republican convention. been just thes whole thing. the quality of the speeches, literally breathtaking. it is a difference between meryl streep and scott bayo. it kind of started there. >> that was the bar. charlie: in fact, the bar was not in the celebrity supporters are. >> you do not hear a lot about freedom. charlie: john allen is speaking tonight. >> if we can pick one or two out of their. i have seen excerpts of hillary's speech tonight, i'm sure you have. i am struck by her talking directly to coal country. if the defense tactic. earlier this year she went to west virginia and promised she would put the coal industry out of work.

that's a little bit defense. i think the trump-pence team will take that comment and go right through the east where there are coal miners who appreciate the industry in the hard-working men and women who were offended. james: i think there are bigger stakes than west virginia. california is turning blue. so ok, look, i think that this -- i thinkbly been this party is united. i am looking at the tweets from republicans from rich lowry to erik erikson. charlie: they were -- james: this party is really united coming out of here. charlie: speak to what her point is. there is economic discontent and donald trump will try to take

democrats, what used to be called reagan democrats and get them on an economic argument. he will tell them trade hurt you, immigration hurt you. james: he will get most of the reagan democrats. he will do well. he will do better than mccain or romney did with noncollege whites. he may not win. he may be the first republican candidate in the history of polling to lose that demographic. >> it is socially undesirable for many to say they are for donald trump. but if he stays even with hillary clinton, they will feel more free to say i think this guy can when. people are looking for a reason to vote for donald trump. and an excuse to vote against her. if the polls stay tight and she does not affect the prohibitive winner 82% chance people thought to a 57% would win

chance this week that donald trump would win. that is a remarkable turnaround. james: not necessarily. charlie: i will come back to that policy. but let me just say, what is the basic argument for economic issues having to do with the welfare of the middle class between donald trump and hillary clinton. >> several things. if you listen to some of the speeches, a woman from ohio says she and her husband worked three jobs and hardly see each other in kids are sleeping when she gets home. that is the kind of speech you expected at a convention we do not asking for four more years in this economic malaise that the woman is identifying. what trump's message is you have , not had a raise and a while. cost of living is up. every day affordability. i think the mistakes in the ronnie's and the mccains in the past is jobs, jobs, job creators. -- talk to the job holders, not the jobseekers and creators.

we are still white knuckled while paying the bills. look at the non-tpp here. these are potential trump voters saying no tpp. james: there is a distinct difference. donald trump thinks he can yank the country back to some day we had 20 years ago. hillary clinton, barack obama, bill clinton, joe biden, tim kaine believe you can forge a better future for the company. i think his message to people is there is something you had and we can go back. you can go back and grab back. that is his slogan. i did not make it up. it is "make america great again." that is the difference in this election. do we want to yank ourselves back to something we had in our minds we had or forge a better future? i think you heard a lot of that tonight. you heard a lot of that from president obama. you heard a lot of that coming from this podium and i think it has been a very effective convention in that sense. can i argue about a family?

interesting tos me is that a lot of this to a seems to be the person is so bad. i'm the least best choice. james: i have not heard that. charlie: i listen to it a lot of it. donald trump, they have been attacking him is unfit to be president. james nobody did that to john : kerry in 2004? charlie: we're not talking about 2004. >> $200 million. charlie: you are the worst thing said about hillary clinton. i mean rudy giuliani. the indictments. the course of put her in prison. that is politics, isn't it? >> that is not my cup of tea by the way, at all. it does come down to very clear choices. do you want the kind of change that bill clinton and james 1982 -- 1992?d in

they are trying to have this change maker, nobody believes that is authentic. her best argument is steady is ready. the problem is where are the results? you have been fighting for what you and children for 30 years. if you have millions of women and children in poverty if you had your own speak at the democratic national convention going out there's an, i have three jobs and can't get an stew -- make -- can't make ends meet, where is the battle that hillary clinton is fought? james: not impressed by a democratic argument, i am surprised people are astonished that politics breaks out at a political convention. this idea they are saying not nice things about the opponent i , mean, that is what these things do. charlie: no difference in the level of attack? >> there is, it is not working. james: they are going to filibuster here on the charlie rose show. i think what you have seen here is a constant level of accomplished people talking

about how we can forge a better future in this country and about how hillary clinton does that. i think when you heard in cleveland was a lot of c+ people talking about yanking america back to a better day. that never existed. this train is moving forward. when this train moves philadelphia it is going towards the future. charlie: would you think will come out of the convention? james: i think we're going to do well. i think we have had a very effective convention. honestly, deep down inside, i am very optimistic about this cycle. i think the big question is republicans. there is so many of them. this will be, "daddy what did you do in the war?" did you go with trump? did you go with the michael bloomberg's of the world? did you stand up to him. charlie: ted cruz?

>> gentlemen, why are the polls saying trump is ahead? the difference is this cycle yuan of parity in terms of the number of ads and add expenditures by the two teams. that is what is remarkable, charlie. you had hundreds of millions of spent against donald trump. dollarstouching the voter in every way and people are becoming impervious to it. it is an important point has elections are about the future not the past that hillary represents the past. i don't think the independent voter is buying that pablum. where are the specifics, in other words? james: you're going to argue specifics? the central question had been raised. >> veterans affairs, veteran administration reform. people may not agree with it but you can look at it and see if it a good plan for the future. charlie: why is the chamber of commerce -- >> he is not our hand-picked candidate. they had five others ahead of

him. there's a high horse sanctimony in the republican party right now. charlie: a high level of sanctimony? >> absolutely. it is true. i am sure you love that, right? the republicans -- james: i like that, high horse republicans. >> it is a serious issue. the erosive -- corrosive or to the republicans is "electability." the democrats never describe that. they elect people like bill clinton and obama. they say they cannot win and they win. it is our turn to do that. charlie: i think it's a structural advantage in the electoral for hillary clinton, including the demographics of the ascendancy. james: i wrote a book. i think the democratic coalition -- i thought that for some time. we are an equally divided country. there are actually more democrats in the country then there are republicans. i think we are going to come out

of here with a united democratic party. charlie: thank you for joining us. see you next time. ♪

2047, andwas 24 this is all that was left. the great space wars between the muscavarians and buffacytes had depleted the earth of all its natural resources, the bitcoin virus and uber's robot chauffeurs had finished the job. the only sign that humans were here, the ramshackle buildings