♪ welcome boys and girls and political children of all ages to the best of "all do respect." hillary enjoys what looks to be a sizable convention bump. donald trump had a rougher week. controversies ranging from his battle with a gold star family to his refusal to back prominent republicans running for reelection. a new batch of national and state polls suggest that new cycle after betty cycle finally caught up to the republican nominee. againnational survey once shows hillary clinton leading donald trump by double digits. this one is from -- it shows

clinton leading trump i 15 3%.ts, 48%-30 -- 33%. up in that poll by 10 points. clinton and the fox poll no longer trails on compete trace on who is more honest and trustworthy. the trend is not just national, but in four new key state polls that says trump has mentioned as key to his victory vision. donald trump: we have a lot of states in play. they will degrade in michigan. they will be great in pennsylvania. in new hampshire on leading by a lot. and i'm going to win in florida. >> how is trump actually doing those things? one has wanted up by six points in florida. wbor has her up by 17 in new

hampshire. a poll by frank brandon marshall says 11 points in pennsylvania. in michigan, clinton is beating trump by 10 points according to a detroit news survey. michigan is not a must win state for trump, but this could foreshadow some real problems for trump in the midwest, the rust belt and other states with large suburban populations. only 65% of strong republicans in michigan are supporting the party's nominee. that is most prominent in the servers around detroit. libertarian candidate gary johnson is pulling 16% of all republican votes, more than double what is getting statewide. this comes almost entirely from trump defections and driven largely by white republican men. similar thing happening in western michigan as well. mark, we like to say the polls are always snapshots. and these are really bad polls for donald trump. how that are the?

mark: polls are just a snapshot. this is a snapshot of a severed arm. the arm is off. they will have to put the arm back on. the only good news for trump in these is that it's a wake-up call for him to change his ways. he loves polls, talks about them all the time. you can't be in denial now. you can then ounce one or two is being off, but this is a body of polling data that is derivative of the direct result of his poor performance and the successful democratic convention. we have august to fix it. >> there was a big lesson here. you will get a bump coming out of your convention. on the opposite side craters in light of historically horrible ways at the same time your opponent is rising. i think the problem for trump is these numbers can now.

log in for a long time he might not be able to move these numbers and it appreciable way until the first of 82 months away, more than a month away. bad, and they are not just bad. the national number shows his score is lower than we thought, but state polls and the attributes were trump had a lead on clinton. she has closed the gap are overtaken and a lot of them and i would be freaking out if i was the trunk campaign. mark: and they have money now. do you really want to spend money on august advertising to try to fix her poll numbers in august? john: while everyone is watching the limits? probably not. mark: it has given the never trumpers a big i told you so moment to say this guy is bad news for the whole party. he will giveume polling numbers good anytime soon. john: and it's freaking everyone out. mark: last 24 hours of broad reports of republican discord,

including to congressman who are the latest to distance themselves and their parties standardbearer. afterinzinger told cnn last week he doesn't think he can support trump november. coffman is not running a tv ad vowing if he wins reelection he will stand up to trump if he is president. trump's team is fighting back. paul manafort was on cbs this morning and he tried for the second day in a row to move his campaign, for the perception of the campaign back on track. >> we are comfortable about where we are. well we are not comfortable with is the narrative that the media seems to be taking, which is building a story line that the democrats are controlling the race. of whole numbers were expected. in two weeks we think they'll even out if we are on message. he will support paul ryan, he does support paul ryan.

he says he will work with paul ryan. there is no issue about that. he did take a position in the primary. he is not taking a position in many primaries. that is not the news. the news is that working together to elect a republican congress and a republican president and i think you will see that. hn: paul ryan, speaker of the house in a radio interview in green bay, despite trump's refusal to endorse him stood by the nominee. paul ryan: the only endorsement i want are those of my own employers in the first congressional district. that is really what my focus is. i said at that time and ever since then if i see a situation where our conservative principles are being distorted, i will center for those conservative principles. none of these are ever a blank check. that goes for any situation in any kind of race. john: that's a little honest the ryan will be supportive. in virginia beach, trump's

number one defender, mike pence, who broke with him, sided with trump saying the right thing with days of his friendship -- ryan thing was based on his friendship. another new cycle has come and gone. where do you think stand between trump and the republican party? john: i will say something maybe controversial in the context of this discussion given how horrible many of the last few days for trump are, you could say it was not a terrible day. the polling numbers i think are going to hit like a ton of bricks from republicans who, at the interest discussion, were already freaking out. now the are seeing maybe the signs at the bottom is falling out. i don't think any will listen the paul manafort and satan will be back on message soon. -- and say i think we will be back on message soon. trump to be bottoming out in the a bad day for's

trump it will not do anything to help him stitch the party back together. republicans look at the fox news mantra that the polls are all crooked. look at the crowds. look out that hillary clinton is. they are donors helping trump who are quietly not helping trump, working on some of them getting on this program. there are politicians who were now strategizing with their staffs to say how to get untangled from trump. mike coffman will be the only want to do this. and mike pence patching things up. trump will show more discipline. let's talk later about how much that means. right now nothing matters with the party as much as the polls. the polls are poison. john: they are about self-interest. republicans,lease, do not talk about crooked polls and how the polls -- or member 2012?

you said all that stuff then. you were disastrously wrong. when we come back, you don't want to miss our interview with two trumpers, including the national spokesperson katrina pearson on the show. that is next. ♪

♪ >> joining us now to talk about donald trump's weekend is campaign national spokesperson katrina pearson live from dallas. and morse epstein, welcome to you both. katrina, thank you for joining us. we want to do on the show for a long time. how do you feel about the totality of what donald trump has said? as a person? i feel that this is

something i've been expecting, just being on the grassroots side of the republican party for a long time. this election was going to be rough and tough and i fully expected the democrats to do it they do best, that is to politicize everything. if i could just ask you to focus on what i asked you. how you feel about with mr. trump -- katrina: that is how i feel. >> you commented on the media, not about what he said. katrina: every time i go in a tv record is to correct the or to explain something a journalist with the democrats are taken out of context. if you're asking me how i feel, i feel donald trump is not your typical politician and does what he always does. he defends himself an attack. the media and the democrats are not used to a republican who has a backbone that is going to fight back. mark: i appreciate all your saying. i left one more time, how do you feel about as a person about mr.

trump said about the khan's? katrina: he has been defending himself like he always has. mark: what you feel? morris: i was fine with what he said. let's start with this. i myself, the trump campaign, katrina and mr. trump have the other was respect for captain khan, for his parents, for their loss, for their sacrifice. be better if you decide that in the initial comments? boris: he is someone who is attacked by mr. khan. it was a bipartisan speech. he was at the dnc. it was a partisan affair. he spoke in a partisan way. it was an attacking speech. donald trump reacted to the speech. some of the comments -- the george --fidence to comments the george stephanopoulos, i am time of what he said.

veterans, republican veterans, democratic veterans have come out and said this guy paid ultimate price defending his country. his parents have the right to say what they want. you say what to those veterans of both parties who are deeply and profoundly offended by what mr. trump said? trump,they, like mr. have the right to their opinion. i happen to disagree. i think goldstar parents do deserve upmost respect, absolute respect. but do they get to say whatever they want? john: you are saying it's wrong to be offended? boris: who says that? john: the veterans group. boris: mr. trump has the right to be offended by thing said about him. taking the comments -- mark: one of mr. trump's close confidant is roger stone. khan of being mr. part of a radical muslim group

tied to the egyptian muslim brotherhood. he now tweeted he is correct in the record saying that is not true, the association with the seti -- saudi jihadi and a 9/11 funder. do you want to associate yourself with those accusations of roger stone or do you have a responsive at? katrina: you'll have to ask roger stone. he is not a part of the campaign and i don't represent him. you will take that up with mr. stone. mark: you have no comment on somebody doing that, even from the context -- katrina: i don't know what roger stone is talking about so you will have to talk to him about that. i can't sit here and try to tell you something i know nothing about. although i do appreciate the efforts to try to tie him to the campaign. stone is notroger a part of the campaign and you will need to talk to him. john: do you consider the matter with the khans to be over and done with? katrina: i do, absolutely.

mr. trump responded after the speech. who did the tv shows and mr. trump responded again. mr. trump made clear he had nothing to do with the death of mr. khan's son who is definitely a war hero. it's disconcerting on why this attack was even lodged at mr. trump, considering mr. trump had nothing to do with the iraq war. hillary clinton voted for it in and she did it -- didn't support the troop surge, and then wanted to go to afghanistan. and the failures in libya. donald trump had nothing to do with that man's son. mark: when you think is going on with mr. trump's comments about the debate schedule? boris: if you look at the schedule, two debates are scheduled. i don't know if you are fans were not. it is worrying that some folks

may not be watching the debates. we want as many people as possible to watch the debates. you saw what happened at the democratic primary with the e-mails. they tried to put the debates on christmas eve, new year's day. something to that effect. we want to make sure the same thing doesn't happen in the presidential debate. john: do you think he is fully commissions -- committed to doing three debates that have become the standard for the presidential candidates? boris: that is what i understand. that is what i understand and i think the issue here really is about the dates of the debates in the ether they maximize the amount of viewership, and minimize as the democrats did in their primary with hillary hurting bernie sanders in that way. >> is not i the ballgame, national holiday, not monday october with there is nothing that doesn't conflict with this. what you guys propose to do

about the problem? boaris: the negotiations are ongoing. they just only to have them on nfl football days. tuesdays and wednesdays, i understand there are playoffs, which are not historically as widely viewed as sunday night and monday night games. >> i know you're long minute critic of the press are being liberally biased. the thing hillary clinton is getting easier coverts and mr. trump. what is your clearest example of that? katrina: i do think hillary clinton has got some passes. occasionally when she goes on television and lies again about the e-mail schedule -- scandal in benghazi, but we don't see with mrs. clinton one sentence pulled completely out of context in a headline created around that to this day i have nothing anyone in the media correct the record with regard to esther trump's immigration

ban on muslims. the media has proposed his ban was for all muslims, including u.s. citizens which was not the case. it was always in contact with immigration and always in the context of being temporary until he can figure out who the individuals were coming into this country. that is just an example. clear,nitially it wasn't but now it seems to have shifted to being a policy having to do with countries rather than all muslims. and yet the candidate himself is never enunciated that in a policy. is that unambiguously the policy of the campaign? not a ban on muslims but a ban on people from countries were there seems to be problems? and why does the candidate sent that way? katrina: it was a refined message considering. if you go to the website and look at her his policy, you will find that. he does talk about the clarification because the media

is not reporting the correct policy position for mr. trump. >> what was the reason of the change to go from a ban on tolims, a temporary ban immigration from certain countries? katrina: the media never reported it as an immigration policy. the media continued to report it as a flat out ban on all muslims. >> eventually it was reported there was a temporary ban on all muslims immigrating to the country. it was then switched apparently to a ban on people from certain countries. what was the reason that's the rationale for the change? katrina: it's a matter of national security. wasn, the original ban temporary until we can figure out what has gone on. since then fbi director, he said we cannot vet these individuals are certain areas. cia has confirmed.

mr. trump one of the clarify it will be from those nations were potential terrorists could come into the country. >> katrina pearson, great to have you on the program finally. katrina: great to be here. >> boris, thank you for coming in. we will be back with dueling strategies from both sides of the aisle. ♪

♪ joining us from washington, d.c. is cofounder of purple strategies, steve mcmahon. and a republican strategist for marco rubio's campaign works at firehouse strategies, alex, you first. how bad is this trump conversation with the khans. what can he do to fix it? alex: it is bad but it's also in

the moment no we have 99 days to go. i don't a lot of people will recover this moment three months for now -- from now. i think it's endemic of a larger message. they don't need to be talking about this, russia, or how gdp numbers given a friday were awful. how the state that matter, ohio and pennsylvania, unemployment is not where it should be. they need to be talking about the economy and trump is talking about anything but the economy. as a republican strategist and wants to see republicans do well, when he the top of the ticket talking about the economy and messages the work for us. what he has been talking about is not working. notteve, i bet you will agree as well beyond voters minds? alex: one thing the trunk campaign is good at is extending up that story into three or four or five days. we have 99 days left. every day you lose is a big opportunity. alex is right.

this is a campaign that seems to have no message, no discipline, and a candidate that doesn't know the ukrainians -- the russians are in crimea and so many other things. it's not a good day to be a trump supporter. john: we've been very hard on trump for all the obvious reasons over this khan thing. if this goes on for days and days and the khans he doing interviews, it will look like democrats are trying to milk this controversy, or there is a risk of that. how does the clinton campaign avoid making it look like it is overly politicizing something that shouldn't be politicized and donald trump caused this by politicizing it himself. is there a risk for themselves, the democrats? alex: i don't see any evidence of the clinton campaign is -- you have the khans going out there in saint donald trump to get his facts straight.

he should chill out. the trump campaign manager donald trump himself are continuing to attack. they are walking themselves into this hole and complaining they are in the hole they are in. i don't see any for dissipation from the clinton campaign. you are right if that were true or evident, it could be a problem. right now is the trump campaign manager itself. mark: it'salso between the primary election in the general election. : it started last thursday and it would hillary clinton took the nomination. i thinkrimary election, trump can bulldoze through these controversies because there is not enough opposition to sustain the spotlight on this, on any particular incident. now we are in the general election you do see the dnc and the clinton campaign and the senate candidates coming under pressure to comment on this from reporters, their opposition, democratic operatives, people

like yourselves. that is the difference now. john: if i could, i think alex is right. there was one more element that seems to be present that wasn't during the campaign. it is easy for donald trump and it's only 20 or 25 reporters covering his campaign to bamboozle through them. you have everyone in the world, every reporter and journals in the world paying attention to this. you can't bully every reporter in the world. he's finding that out. hearing trumpsl a controversial things, now this. we all say maybe this won't be the thing that kills him. as we get closer to election da and more of the available voters focus on this, is there a chance something like this, whether it's this or something that follows, will it be a moment were suddenly it really is the thing that finally does him in? inx: he is right around 40%

every single poll and he has been for months. the good news for him is that that 40% i don't think is likely to go. he said he could shoot someone on fifth avenue and a 40% is not going anywhere. 40% is not going to be hillary clinton when you look at the electoral map. how does he go to the 45% he needs, at least it is going to be competitive these sorts of statements take them off message and do not bring new voters into the fold. my boss went up against him 15 times and he did great. should hillary clinton one other candidates on the stage -- want other candidates on the stage? >> as the other candidates get , it willbers up to 15% be difficult for the others to meet. if they do, they deserve to be on stage