needed to take on what he called "the ideology of radical islam." hillary clinton is not up to the job. >> incident after incident proves that hillary clinton lacks the judgment as said by bernie sanders, stability to my and temperament and the moral character to lead our nation. : mrs. clinton and vice president biden campaigned in scranton, pennsylvania. biden said donald trump does not care about the middle class and added no party nominee has been less prepared on national security and foreign policy than trump. an airstrike at a hospital supported eye doctors without borders in northern yemen today. the new york times reports at least 15 people were killed, dozens more wounded. a fast-moving wildfire in california one of several burning in the state has spread to more than six square miles,

officials say the place has destroyed 100 homes in the lower 90 miles of san francisco. local news 20 hours a day, powered by more than 2600 journalists and analysts in more than 120 countries. i am mark thompson. "bloomberg west" is next. ♪ emily: i am emily chang and this is "bloomberg west." discusses an ipo. is the company ready question mark we will discuss. here's one of the biggest names in european [indiscernible] on why he sees lots more m&a in the pipeline and the security firm at the heart of one of political hacks of all time.

an exclusive conversation with crowd strike, the company that pointed the finger at russia. first, to the lead. dropbox is considering making the big leap into the public market. executives met with advisers to discuss the possibility of going i-17. as soon as this according to people familiar who say the file storage company wide to discuss the feasibility of a listing and get a sense of valuation. a few years ago the company was valued at $10 billion in the private funding round. ourew york we have bloomberg ipo reporter who broke the story. some investors have questioned the valuation. faced write-downs from various investment firms.

what do you know about the discussions they have had? will be top ofn mind when it comes to whether or not they want to move forward. management brought advisers and to say ok, if we did do this in 2017, what with this look like and what would investors want to give us question mark you have to remember with a backdrop of ipos this year we have seen a pullback in how much investors are willing to give these companies when it comes to valuation. if the company is not rocket will, if they do not have a clear path to getting their duties are things that have prompted public market investors to push down on what they are willing to give and dropbox, they did that private funding round in 2014 at the height of private money, rushing into private markets. there has questioned since then. you have to think that if they are going to go forward they need to be aware of the optics because when dropbox saw its

valuation written down, these are things that did not play out well. public, oneox went of dropbox's competitors. it has struggled since its ipo. the founder told us first that dropbox is cash flow positive. take a listen. grexit thing about being cash is we haveve flexibility and we can go public on our own timeline. heading down. emily: he said we can go public, we are not on anyone else's timeline but our own. if indeed there looking at 2017 next year, what kind of a market will they be coming into? alex: it went -- it might be more crowded.

four companies have gone public this year. we have heard and what i have heard is that there is of a tight on the -- appetite for the bigger deals but they will be box tooko a market and a valuation haircut when he went and itin general he 2015 is still trading below it's $14 share ipo price. some headwinds that they would be going into if they were to push out that these companies, their investors cannot be locked in forever. there needs to be liquidity at some point. it seems like an ipo would make the shortlist of potential outcomes for this company. emily: your company is a competitor. changed. landscape has we have seen the rise of amazon, microsoft, and google stepping up their move into this

territory. how has that landscape made for youore difficult guys, dropbox, you guys are more focused on enterprise which drop box has tried to focus more on. but talk to me about the changing times. guest: one of the key things to keep in mind here is -- as we talk about dropbox is where it started and where is -- where it is today. they defined what it was to have cloud storage for a consumer in a premium model. they killed that model and they were wildly successful. i would submit that that has changed significantly because the money here is to be made in the enterprise. just a value security more than anything else. when you look at dropbox they have been a victim of their own success. they have had so much adoption in the enterprise in a row crash and that the term dropbox problem has almost become a definition of dropbox.

when you look at the market today and dropbox or box or any of these companies being successful, it is winning the hearts and minds, overcoming that perception that they were part of the problem. can they be part of the solution? can they? guest: that is to be seen. he goes to the core of whether you can change what you're [indiscernible] is. you do consumer very well that you do enterprise well. you have to do other things. emily: what are you hearing about how dropbox is doing visa visa the other countries -- vis-a-vis the other countries? they have got it nailed on the consumer side area did -- side. most of those people are not paying anything. guest: absolutely. it is easy to talk about i have lots of users and these users are part of businesses.

but to me the core metric is going to be our enterprise cios and sanctioning it within the enterprise and are they paying big money for it? i think when they open up their financials whether it is through an s1 or whatever, i understand they are testing the market. that is what i think the market will be looking at. when dropbox goes ipo, what are you getting, are you getting this newly minted enterprise company or are you getting the consumer company which was successful in the past? that is the question he will have to answer. emily: we talked about a $10 billion valuation. the company has been written down in portfolios to have that or less than half that. garner came out with information last week predicting that there are -- many cloud source companies would cease to exist. what kind of potential valuation haircut if a haircut happens are

we looking at here for dropbox? alex: the best -- it will be looking at box. the has to -- you have to think there is a little bit of pressure here just given the 10petition in the area and billion, i am hearing more negative sentiment then positive as to whether that number will stand. emily: we will be waiting for you to break those numbers. you for joining us. turning now to the broader stock market the s&p advanced to another fresh record along with the dow and the nasdaq. it is the all-time high for the s&p and over a month. -- the 10th all-time high. hit a 16 tech stocks year high thanks in part to facebook's 19% surge this year. interestingly it is not just the biggest tech names dating. check out the russell 2000.

it has rallied the past and weeks and is outpacing the s&p's i.t. index by the most since 2013. vc of the most type profile firms in europe. talking about the future of m&a postgraduate. he also founded site. this is bloomberg. ♪

emily: tencent has started -- marketing $3.5 billion loan which it hopes will back a big purchase. internet company is hoping to entice investors with an interest rate over 200 points higher than the luncheon interbank offered rate.

turning now to one of the most high-profile venture capital firms in europe which happened to invest in super cell run by nicholas sundstrom. they bought it back and sold it to microsoft. we spoke to him about the impact of brexit and asked about the challenges of working in europe and in the framework of european regulation. take a listen. fixed building our company has a lot of challenges and i would say when i speak to entrepreneurs in europe, i rarely hear that european regulation is one of the biggest challenges. the biggest challenges access to hiring the best people, building audits that people want to use, and winning in the market.

the regulatory thing is something we hear when it comes to large companies and for startups we do not see a lot of challenges. what you have is there are regulations that are beneficial such as the passport for financial services. license and you can transport all over europe. that is something you cannot do in the u.s. where things are regular did state. there are some places where we have advantages because of the senate. -- because of the setup. and on it sold it back. i wonder in retrospect do you ever wish you had not sold estimate we are seeing the success of whatsapp and facebook messenger. skype was before it's time. how do you reflect on that process today? in 2002we built skype

it was hard to go the company here in europe. we did very well. we had an opportunity to sell the company in 2005. at the time it was a big opportunity to do that. i think it was the right decision we made. opportunity to buy it back. iype is a strong service and am happy to see people use it. whenever i travel around the world there are people who come up to me and think me for skype them to connect with their family members, with loved ones, grandparents, grand children, and so on. it continues to be very strong and people are using more services today. i think skype will continue to be a popular service for a long time.

emily: how do you see the messaging business shaking out whether it is whatsapp or facebook messenger or skype or we chat? do you think there is room for this many players? guest: there is. people are using so many services on their phones. we have seen this before. back in the late 1990's when you , aol instant messenger, as -- msn and yahoo! messenger, you had so many different messaging there is is and people used all of them. that is what happens today. i do not think you will have one single winner. you will have multiple services and some of them will come in there will be some new ones as well. continuous to be a proliferation of services. for me, this is not what we are for. we're looking for companies which are -- which can transform

non-tech sectors using technology to build disruption in a non--technology sector. emily: i wonder if you would apply the same analysis to the ridesharing business. see the ridesharing business shaking out, do you see one or two global players, do you see more than that? and multiple regional players instead? last fewthink the months we have seen what happens andou said, you have uber, -- we are pleased with halo. we are pleased with the merger and it has become a strong player in europe. it does not seem that there will be one global winner but maybe

some regional winners. you might have a few different players in each market as well. that is something that we will see how it plays out. emily: a couple of your other investments went through some job cuts. how did you advise them about their troubles? specifically in the u.s. but when we have seen a slowdown one oftite to invest, the advice we are giving to our company's is to make sure that [indiscernible] as long as possible. extending the runway is a good isng to do and zocdoc growing nicely. they are well-positioned to be the winner in the category. emily: the wearable market is particularly nascent of course. job on was there early. the appleitbit and

watch. how do you see this market shaking out and a future of a company like jawbone? were fortunate to be an early investor when it was small. they have gone through a few bumps in the road. it is all about continuing to consumer services and the best product create it turns ,ut that hardware businesses there are more challenges than a pure software play. us is what companies are saying. emily: one of the trends we have been saying is unicorn companies with big, ambitious plans to to sell rather than stay independent and go the route of ipo eventually. or --r it is just.com jet.com. wheno you advise companies making decisions at this stage of the game when they are in an inflection point and they could

be huge or they could sell now not get in essentially? guest: if we believe that the company is continuing to be stronger as the winner in this category, the company should stay in dependent as long as possible and to benefit on that growth. if we see that competition is closing in and there will be challenges for the company to stay a winner, it might be a good ring to sell the company. the other thing we do is we also try to be supportive of the founders. if the founders want to continue to fight them and we want to stay with them, if the founders feel it will be difficult we want to support them as well. m&a,: do you see much more do you think this way full continue? guest: what we see now in m&a is we see two new trends. one is that asian companies are

-- we sawacquiring softbank occurring -- acquiring arm. the other trend we saw is non-tech companies are wearing tech companies and they do that eachse of the belief that sector will be disrupted by a tech company. transforment needs to themselves and one way to do that is to acquire a tech company. we see a lot of new opportunities in m&a. emily: tell me about your philosophy in how you will apply those funds. what trends are you interested in right now? onst: we are focused founders and trying to find founders who are using technology whether that is a cloud in common issue with

mobile, ai and so forth and to disrupt and transform the non-tech center are. we are fortunate that we have an amazing team. we have the father of climate court. he is looking into deep tech companies and we see a lot of these companies in europe. we are trying to be quite open-minded. when you see a great company in front of you let by a great founder you need to act on that. holly: still to come. an exclusive conversation with the cyber security firm at the heart of one of the most controversial political hacks of all time. we are talking about the company that tracked the hack back to known russian adversaries later this hour. this is bloomberg. ♪

emily: warren buffett plus berkshire hathaway has closed a bigger slice of apple. stake to morets than 15 million shares from under 10,000,003 months earlier. apple stock had fallen 12% in the quarter to $95.60 but rebounded to over $109 as of monday's close. the stake was almost $1.5 billion at the end of june. speaking of new holdings, elliott management is [indiscernible] of a number of companies. this according to regulatory filings filed today. most of the investments are not considered activist investments. it is those that get the most attention and elliott has been known to target tech in particular when acting in that nasty. coming up, the security firm at the heart of one of the most

complicated and controversy of political hacks of all time. we will speak with the ceo of crowd strike about the hack on the dnc. if you like bloomberg news check us out on the radio. you can listen on the bloomberg radio app, bloomberg.com, and on sirius xm. this is bloomberg. ♪

mark: i am mark crumpton, you are watching "bloomberg west." hillary clinton was joined today by vice president biden at a rally in biden's hometown of

scranton, pennsylvania. clinton criticized donald trump on his tax proposals as well as his refusal to release his tax returns. hillary clinton: he would end up paying a rate lower than millions of middle-class families. that is assuming he pays any tax at all, because we don't really know because we have nothing his tax returns. during a national security address in youngstown, ohio, donald trump called for extreme vetting of immigrants that want to come to the u.s. heels and wants to end the current strategy of nationbuilding and -- he also wants to end the current strategy of nationbuilding and regime change. massive flooding in louisiana. more than 20,000 people have been rescued including governor john bel edwards and his family, who were evacuated from the executive mansion. milwaukee is moving up its current -- curfew for teenagers following saturday's fatal

police shooting of a black man. they will be forced at 10:00 p.m. local time. the man who was shot was fleeing a traffic stop and carrying a gun. i am mark crumpton, this is bloomberg. it is just after 6:30 p.m. here in new york, a: 30 p.m. -- a.m. in sydney. good morning. let's start off with new zealand, which has been running for 30 minutes now on the new trading day, looking pretty flat at the moment despite fresh record highs out of the u.s.. we are expecting gains on the afx and the nikkei. we are expecting to hear from her back and dominoes today -- murder back -- murveck and dominoes today. ubs is: this ugly, underlying profit to fall 98% to $1.6 billion.

the profit could be the worst in history, reaching above $6 billion. as to why, the reasons are not well known. andincludes a cold fall u.s. shale, lower commodity prices hurting the company. also in focus, the aussie dollar continues to rise, gaining the percent in a month where the reserve tank cut the record back to 1.5%. cut back to old record low of 1.5%. ♪ ♪ emily: this is "bloomberg west," i am emily chang. last week we saw another information dump stemming from a

hack of the democratic national committee. this time, personal information and contact deals of many of the staff. they believe hackers have close ties to the russian government, although russian officials have publicly denied any involvement. one person who does involve this is cloud strife, a company called in to investigate this. called strike found one person with coding with ties to russian intelligence agencies as far back as the summer of last year, ck by ad by a second ha group known as fancy bare. witnesses published a stash of e-mails. here to discuss more, cloud strike ceo george. this has been completely fascinating in the way it has developed. since you were the first group called in to investigate this, what makes you so sure he's

hacker groups are tied to russia and the russian government? george: we do a lot of investigations for large government organizations. even what we can track over the years, we can associate what they have seen on the network with russian actors, looking at things like infrastructure and the tools they use, their motivation, their tactics, their technique all point to known groups associated with the russian government in the past. emily: what are the hallmarks of cozy bear and fancy bear? george: they are very sophisticated. they minimize the use of malware , and they are surreptitious and how they move around the network. they are trying to gather as much reconnaissance information as they can to use it as a means to collect more information on the systems they are targeting. emily: is it difficult to see two people going after the same target? george: in this case, yes.

we have seen in the past where the organizations are so big, one does not necessarily talk to the other arm. or one arm is in contention with the other arm given the political landscape of this country. emily: so russian intelligence agencies are behind this. that said, it is not so clear who leaked this information to wikileaks and julian assange. you believe it was the russians, these same hackers george:? george:we associated the attack .ith the russian government where the documents came from, how they got there, there is a number of excellent nations for that. emily: like what? george: when you have a network that has been around for a while, does not mean there won't be other adversaries. we do know the documents are out there, and what we have seen in the past certainly with the russians is this information campaign, and i think the

transcript is going to be written in the future how this unfolds. emily: how likely is that they have more information? george: it is very likely. between now and the actual election, you will see more and more come out. emily: how likely is that they have those 33,000 diluted e-mails? george: that is the million-dollar question. if you look at the e-mails that are out there and how they move about the internet is anybody's guess where those e-mails are, who has them. it is possible they might show up before the end of the election. it seems strings only democratic targets have come to light. you think they have also hacked the rnc, the trump campaign? george: these are specific actors that are out there. we look at security of the government, it is fairly easy for the actors to get in. it is anybody's guess where else they will turn up, but i would

imagine between now and the election, we will see more leaks unfortunately. emily: now, this operation seems to have taken the u.s. by surprise. so we have been more prepared? george: yes, when you look at this election how it is being influenced by another nation state, we should sit back and ponder the possibility. 40 years ago, two boxes of files were stolen from the watergate. we look at how much information was stolen here, and is mind-boggling. we need to make sure our electoral process is actually protected. as a government, we need to make sure all of these government groups are affected -- protected. emily: are the hackers just that good? george: the hackers we are dealing with are very sophisticated. when we talk about a nationstate, they were , cohort is, educated over. we are looking at their victim

of abilities -- their capabilities. they are high on the list that we track. emily: the russian government has publicly denied any involvement. they are notchance linked and is hackers going rogue? george: there is a level of confidence whether it is high, medium, or low areas we talk about high confidence, that there is no absolute in cyber security. it is one of the things that makes it hard. we put out on our blog what we found. people can read into that however they like. emily: at this point, we only know about the dnc and democratic affiliates being the target. does any of the evidence we have suggest anything about the motivation of the hackers, the motivation potentially of the russians? george: you have to look at the russians over a period of time. this is not something new. cyber we have talked about, but

russians are very successful at getting in. in the 1980's, these to come up with disinformation campaigns because they knew the russians were in, so they would just feed them disinformation as they were going to get it anyway. i don't think it is new, but fiber is a hot topic now, and the information -- cyber is a hot topic now, and the information is staggering. emily: do you think do suffer is involved -- gusafer is involved? george: it could be a bit of a red herring. when we stick to what we found, it is not out of the realm of possibilities that information is being fed to someone else and leaked on the internet. emily: nato general george soros, bloomberg has reported other targets of these same hackers. do you see any links of these particular hackers to other situations?

george: last year the white house was targeted and a bunch of other groups by the same group. that is how we are able to associate these in the infrastructure to these groups. it is very difficult to kind of re-create a campaign. you don't just start over. so a lot of the techniques we have seen in the past. emily: so what kind of information do they really want? want intelligence, to filter it out, and then potentially influence what happens in the election. they might exercise their power. emily: is this going to become more common? george: yes, when we look at breaches over the political landscape, there are three key areas. crime, rantivism, e somewhere and extorting money, and then -- ran some where -- ransomeware and extorting money

-- emily: if you are the hillary clinton campaign, what are you doing now? more information could really hurt them. think aboutneed to in the next crisis, plan for it so you are not caught offguard. emily: how do you do that? the information has already been taken. george: you want to get behind it. be prepared if new information comes out so you are not caught flat-footed, and bulk of your existing network. emily: what about trump? what do you do if you are him? george: when you look at these adversaries, they probably have interest in his organization. they are bipartisan. everybody is looking at their security and trying to figure out how they are locked down,

get in front of this situation. emily: called strike ceo george kurtz. thank you so much. great to hear from you. up, we will continue the conversation on cyber security and discuss the flurry of cyber m&a. patrick morley joins us with an industry outlook. this is bloomberg. ♪

emily: let's continue now with our focus on cyber security and turned to the water environment. -- broader environment. companies must seek innovative ways to boost their security, particularly what is called endpoint security, protecting

mobile devices used by employees. they are trying to raise $1 million, and the evaluation. at a $3.5 million evaluation. they confer technologies to better compete. ceo to patrick morley joins us now from boston. i know you are a competitor to crowd strike, but if you are listening into the earlier conversation, what do you make of this cascading hack on the dnc and the ties to russia? patrick: i think it continues to reinforce what is happening across the private -- public and private sectors, and how the risk has really gone up across both areas in a pretty dramatic way, and it continues to increase. sorry, go ahead. emily: do you think in this day

and age, for the dnc to be so vulnerable is, you know, ridiculous, or do you think that the hackers are just that good? patrick: i think is a combination of both. certainly other nationstates, nationstates died. on the organized crime side, the attackers are very sophisticated. we should not in any way discount that. but at the same time, most organizations out there are wonderful. and is always surprising the level of experience being brought to bear insider security. by company was founded offensive hackers, people who were trained by the u.s. government, the cia and the nsa. they came out when this is all happening in the private sector, how far behind the private sector was in behind, they were

stunned. so what we are seeing with the dnc hack is a continuation of the fact that it is a hard job for the offenders, and you have increasingly sophisticated elements on the other side going after these defenders. emily: you handled national security on the chain, but how do you differentiate yourself from crowd strike, attaining a, and carbon black? focuses onrbon black the endpoint, which is the device. that is where all the data sets. we offer the most complete coverage of that device. is of the challenges today that all of us have multiple devices. we work remotely most of the time. we are no longer working within the enterprise. we are networking security problems that are effective. so these employees are out by themselves in the wild, and you have to figure out ways to protect them. we offer the most complete

coverage. many approaches out there take one particular technique, and the leverage that. artificial intelligence, machine learning, reputation, but what we do at carbon black is apply the rod technologies into the cloud -- brought it technologies road the cloud -- b technologies into the cloud. we do classification, type of attack, behavior analytics, behavior of software. we combine that with 7 million endpoints that we apply a sheen learning to, and that allows us to provide very effective endpoint security. emily: so you guys have got a lot of money. are your investors ok with you still being a private company? patrick: it is a $10 billion market right now that is up for grabs. traditionally, antivirus providers like semantic and others have been providing

solutions for many, many years. as we heard from george, the adversary continues to advance. the old solutions don't work anymore. with such a large market up for grabs, there is an opportunity, and carbon black is in the leading position to do that, to build alongside security companies in this generation. emily: semantic was planning to go up like, and some people think there should not be so many cyber security standalone companies, that they should be part of bigger companies. what do you think? patrick: i agree there are too many. a lot of money has gone into the sector over the last few years. funding does not necessarily mean leadership in the space. there is only a few companies at scale these days. we are in the endpoint. we are the leader in the space. we have over 2100 customers

today, some of the strongest brands in the marketplace, the technology elite in the bay area, silicon valley, many of the court companies that run the internet. critical mass is important in cyber security. what we are going to see is a continued opportunity to consolidate vendors who perhaps don't have enough size of our product to go to market for the long-term. emily: bloomberg has reported you guys are gearing up for an ipo. what is your take on the public market environment right now, and what are your plans? is a private company, we are interested in a large standalone security company. our investors are patient. they understand we are building for the long-term. emily: would you say there is a security bubble, and some of these companies won't be left standing? patrick: absolutely.

scale matters, market presence matters, helping customers with real problems matters. and as you said in the beginning of the segment, we have had the , tortunity, carbon black acquire technologies that we can add into our solution that continue to help us help our customers to be more effective in fighting the adversary. we are going to continue to do that, and we are going to take advantage of what is happening in the marketplace, which is a lot of startups that will not make it in start -- fiber security. -- cyber security. emily: thank you so much. patrick: thank you. emily: staying with ipo's, the software company new tenex will start its roadshow next month. roadshow could be delayed depending on market conditions, and if the ipo does happen, it will be one of just a handful

this year. to murder on bloomberg, a lineup of interviews out of new york in the morning, including a billionaire investor. he joins go to discuss opportunities he sees in real estate and energy rises. 8:00 a.m. eastern. and then truck supporter wilbert ross joins us at 10:30 eastern. you unmask's space at -- elon musk's spacex has another successful lending. ♪

emily: now to a story we are following. peter thiel pushing his fight against a gawker to the pages of the new york times the 97 word op ed, he said he would support roessler hulk hogan's lawsuits against gawker -- roessler --

lawsuitshulk hogan's against gawker. l is a founder at founders fund. take a listen. >> a judge and the jury are deciding the fate of gawker the company and the journalists that were in alleged journalists that were involved here. i personally, i don't know how poste can defend folks who revenge poor and -- revenge porn. i don't view those people as real journalists. emily: what about freedom of the press? >> all of us would say that is critical and vital. i don't think this poses a risk to that at all. very: keith has been

public about his support of peter. what do you think? keith: i don't believe in funding other people's lawsuits. it is bad for society. but as far as it is used, people should be able to pursue whatever they want to. if it works, it works for everybody. emily: in this edition of "out bythis world," the latest spacex. telecomt a japanese satellite into orbit. spacex also completed a vertical landing in the atlantic ocean. because we mentioned this so many times this year, it is easy to lose perspective. before 2016, they had never lost a rocket more than six times in a calendar year. ♪

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