♪ >> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: amy schumer is here. she is a writer, actor, and author. she placed to sold out audiences around the world. she won comedy tour of the year. amy: i showed up to film this movie and i was like, i think i'm a model now. i think a lot of girls are like this. we have a sneaking suspicion in the back of our heads. mi, maybe, gorgeous?

[laughter] i think i'm gorgeous. right? [applause] gorgeous, but i just haven't stumbled on the right here do -- hair do. one day i will cut bangs and everyone will be like, damn, and i'm like, treat me the same, you guys. [laughter] i'm the same person. and they're like, we can't, we're too hard. i'm like, i get it. but then my stunt double was a guy. [laughter] just in case you've never been to l.a., it is filled with the most beautiful people from all over the world. picture the most beautiful girl in your high school, the one you wanted to be.

i'm talking to the guys right now. and everyone was like, you are too pretty for buffalo, go to l.a. everyone is hot there. everybody. up a pizza cleaning hut bathroom that i would have paid this guy to -- me. people don't even see me there. is that a fat tumbleweed? -- my armse there register as legs there. is that an octopus? i don't understand. and my legs are used for firewood. [laughter] and that's the secret, i found out. 's secret.lywood they don't put food in their faces. and that's not an option for me. i don't know how it was in your

house growing up. you would eat until you were in a lot of pain. then you take like a little breather and you get yourself back and even more pain. i was born weighing 150. i came out swinging. pizza! [applause] that's how it's been. i'vee never in my life -- never said this sentence. i forgot to have lunch today. [laughter] like ihing, i would be had two ledges today. charlie: she has a hit television show called "inside amy schumer." the show is slated for a fifth season, but not in the foreseeable future.

it received an emmy for outstanding sketch series and a critics choice awards. you are not nothing, you are not overweight. ok. how does a woman who does not on. how to learn to sew go and if so, what could her name be? name be like -- oh! that flag that will wave just like this. trying to prove a better state exists. that's the next one. >> that is act i? >> as i just said, that is act i. more to is like

pop-culture. i'm so fancy. i'd better have my star. it's a getting flag in here so wave it off, waive it off. last year, she wrote and starred in her first film called "train wreck." that film made more than $140 million worldwide. >> this is more comfortable. >> i will tell you if i can feel it. she has written her first book called "the girl with the lower back tattoo." loud funny laugh out when she wanted to be, but more often is surprisingly honest and raw. a series of essays that range from subject matter from being a member of new money to what she

wants people to say at her funeral. like her comedy in her life, the book receives high praise. makes me very pleased to have amy schumer at this table for the first time. welcome. it's about time. amy: i know. all these years. i really wanted to make you wait. charlie: did you really? why now, to write this book? it is really revealing. it forve been working on four or five years, actually. of since i was 13. i wrote journals from age 13 to 23 and i kept a very detailed log. in anticipation of being famous and wanting to write a book? amy: just like every other kid, i read the diary of anne frank and it seemed appealing and therapeutic

to keep a record to express myself. it was real to me and it made it feel like i actually existed. from the excerpts journal. we have been working on this book for years. that now's the time and i can make some money. charlie: this is how you start. it's me, amy. i wrote a book because i wanted to make people laugh and feel better. some stories will be funny like bleep] myself in austin. neither of those stories are in this book even though both actually happened. true, but it isn't the

whole truth. believe it or not, i don't tell you guys everything." you do tell us a lot. and you didn't tell stories about anybody in didn't personally say to them, i'm going to tell this story. amy: right. i checked with everybody, and they read what was going to be written about them and they approved of it. charlie: are these essays? amy: i guess. and just what happened. the thing that's good about keeping journals as you have the records of what actually happened. copied --his thing is you don't feel that way? say if i'm going to something that might hurt summons feelings or they might be embarrassed by, i would have people say, please don't write about me. there was am not comfortable

with that and i won't put it out. on tv orthing of them interviews, i spoke to the people in my life first. they said it was ok. windows for starting out, i would make a joke and a friend would get upset. this was 13 years ago i learned that lesson. it's not worth it. it's not worth who you care about for a joke. definitely not to sell a book. this is the most personal thing i've ever been part of. it has been what happened. i found the humor in it. raw, there isly no facade. -- thisugh i feel like book is me.

it's all true. charlie: people like seinfeld and others that have come to this table, the essence they are is standup comedians. that is what they are and how they would define themselves. you? amy: a model. charlie: a model? [laughter] very much like a standup comic. i think of myself first as a woman. they think that they are women as well. notlie: in terms of thinking of themselves as a writer or an actor or a sketch comedian. what you'restand saying. i thought of myself as a comic for the last 13 years. and now i feel like i'm evolving. i was still say that i'm a comic but maybe in another 13 years i would say a really more a

writer. but i've identified as a comedian. charlie: did this turn out like you have anticipated? amy: amy: writing a book? charlie: life. surpassed my dreams. i knew that i would perform in some capacity. i always believed things would work out. charlie: did you have a comedic voice? amy: always. charlie: and you had better leon? -- you had that early on? amy: yes. as long as i can remember, i was making people laugh. charlie: it separates you from people. like a superpower as a kid because you can get yourself out of trouble or into a lot of trouble.

but it does separate you. i think of this thing chris rock said in a pbs documentary. is bliss,f ignorance what is the opposite of that? comedians observe so much that it is kind of like a living hell. it feels like this thing that you are kind of blessed with but it's also a curse. charlie: comedian's see things with a different eye than the rest of us. amy: definitely. andlie: we see the humor things and the absurd in things. charlie: all of that -- amy: all of that. charlie: and you knew that early. amy: yeah. charlie: how did you go about owning it and making it when it became? i think just being open to evolving. what is funny to me and how i

was doing standup 10 years ago is very different than how it is now. charlie: how so? amy: i was really doing a character when i started. this is reverent -- irreverent white idiot. -y, sororityepford girl that did not know any better. with a lot of one-liners. they are paid to be there. it is productive but it is a rough thing to do. i would have to surprise people. charlie: and they would be surprised they are laughing? would have to say

something to catch them off guard to pay attention. there was a little bit more of a shock factor. as time has gone on, i move further and further away from it. i still prefer a good one-liner or something with a twist. amy: what did you move to? what did you move to? amy: storytelling. i would be at a party with my think, anding what i i'm kind of on. when you are saying something and you are feeling it, it's very onstage. mostly, it's the closest to myself i have ever been on stage. in your 20's, your corrupt with power. when you are in love

in your 20's. you are so arrogant. we are so lucky we found each other. what are all the sad songs about? [laughter] i think of 20's love the same as the tsunami. because i read that in the tsunami, the tide would come in and peopl fish were all over. people were like, i can't believe my luck. that's like 20's love. for me! -- andn you're like oh it murders you. yeah. enjoy it.

to hot like talking people. i'm grossed out being around someone gorgeous. so my friend talks to her and was like, she was really funny. and i was like, -- you. [laughter] [applause] way. there's no way. these are such low expectations for hot people to be anything. you are probably blown away she wasn't just sitting there playing with her -- and droo ling. [laughter] i'm like, what did she say that she was so funny? lose.s like, get ready to i was like, when is her our special coming out on hbo?

charlie: who has helped you shape it? chris rock? amy: chris helped me so much by agreeing to direct my special. seinfeld, louis, david tell. attell. the best. it seems like a lonely club at the top. they were excited to have who could understand the level that they are operating at in terms of the size of venue, exposure. they have done their best to advise me even though i don't listen as much as i should. charlie: what is the best advice they've given? amy: they all tell me to just basically shut up and not of the anything

going on in the media. that's hard to do. charlie: especially in the world of twitter. amy: i'm a comic and a communicator by nature so i want people to understand what i'm saying. charlie: and you want to be part of the conversation. .my: it seems unfair and unjust it the celebrity culture where straight up lies are printed, i want to say, that's not true. that makes it a bigger story even by responding. they say, just stay off of there. louis i think finds it irresistible. he said some things about the political race he knew got him in trouble. but he repeated it. amy: there is a moment of, should i have? i felt very grateful that he did that. charlie: because you agreed with him. amy: i agreed with him, of

course. but their advice is to shut my yap. charlie: so this controversy about metzger. metzger, yes. would never have believed that, would you? amy: no. charlie: is that an example where you had weighed in and would rather not? one of the reasons he is a great writer is because his views are so different from mine and the other writers in the room. get in fightse because he infuriates us. interesting writer's room because it has always been very diverse with views.

we don't want it to be one-sided. and i have similar sensibilities that it feels very positive to have someone in their saying, this is from the male perspective. mail, out their perspective possible. he is my friend. i love him. i'm not on facebook so i don't read his crazy rants. something from going after people and making them mad that is not representative of me at all. i've asked him, can you just stop because it comes back to me. he says he writes for the show, it's a bigger story. so whatever tangents he's gone with,, i have not agreed and it's been really upsetting

to me seeing someone i care about hurt themselves like this. for the tvo plans show to come back anytime in the near future. nobody is on my staff. there are no writers. they want his head and they want to burn him at the stake. and you want?rlie: amy: i wanted them to not attach me to what he is writing. i would like to refocus the energy and attention on the real problem. which is, i feel, people understanding about rape. about what is consensual, what is not. been gone after because he debased people. he's the problem, no question. but the focus is on him rather than on what the main problem is. an understanding of

what rape has become and what we are understanding about it. people in 2016 are stepping forward where they did not before. if it's not done in a way that he feels is right, that is really upsetting to hear. we'll need to be empowering each other. but to focus your energy on online trolling, if i did that, i would not get anything done. its focus on getting the problem done. i was sexually assaulted and i have encouraged women to come whatnd i want men to hear happens so there is no confusion. different

understandings of what sexual assault is and what rape is. let's get on the same page so it happens less.

charlie: it is extraordinary when you see someone come out and make an acquisition and if it is somebody well-known, somebody has experienced the same thing and stepped forward to say me, too. but they were afraid to speak out. it makesas helpful and

people feel less alone. it is such an unfortunate, awful thing. with all these gray areas where you don't know because of things like this. much a victim shaming. when a woman says they were assaulted, a lot of people's first reaction is to say, no, you weren't. why? what was the situation? they treat it like the salem witch trials. it is unfair and it makes women not want to come forward. charlie: is it hard for you to talk about it? amy: it was a really hard thing to write about and revisit. reading aboutm another girl. and i feel bad for her. i feel for her and my heart breaks. the guy felt so bad, my first reaction was to comfort him.

and that's really sad to me. and that's not how it should be. i'm hoping that some people will read that. on one side, it makes them think this is not ok and maybe it will stop them from doing something. tooman might be more likely realize it's unfair and that something has been taken from her. then speak out about it. charlie: do you feel because of the power that you have and the success you've had, and your success has been defined in part that you are willing to confront what you believe and say, has given you more power? aat success has given you power that is even more than you'd had before to be open

about what you think and feel? and you are less worried about any risk to "career?" amy: no. it doesn't make me change my behavior, but every day i am more at risk to hurt my career. are, thethe bigger you more people want to engage you in some way. there ar amy: there are people literally trying to end my career. charlie: how does that upse affect you? iy: it is upsetting and then go from being upset from being angry. i don't feel victimized for very long. i'm not going to back down. charlie: you have that sense of i'm not backing down anymore. is not only success but confidence. amy: and i have a next dictation of myself to be honest. do i think it will hurt my ticket sales on the road that i am so vocal of being a hillary

supporter? yes. charlie: but do you care that much? amy: about hillary? charlie: you've made that very clear. but how it affects ticket sales. amy: not enough to not say it. i'm going to say what i mean and live. to see youople come because you are entertaining and funny and smart and interesting. amy: thank you. charlie: it's true. your politics will not keep them from being entertained by you. amy: but it does, somewhat. right now that one of my good friends was planning on voting for trump, i would really pull back from the friendship. huge value a

defining -- charlie: character. amy: all of it. i think if i kept my mouth shut about my real feelings about politics or gun violence, financially and careerwise, it would be better for me. but i don't care. speaking of perfect gifts, this is a no-brainer. this is a gun. a regular handgun. how cute is that. we can pick it up. heavy. look at that. >> it's like a toy but it's extremely real. charlie: pretty much anyone can purchase this. >> this is so fun. give me all your money. it's so fun and it's on sale

now. >> i am a suspected terrorist on the no-fly list. you are fine, sweet potato. don't can tell you you have a right to buy a gun in this country you are trying to destroy. alarm] you know what that means. >> mass shooting. amy: that means the government could be coming for your guns. even though they never have, they always might. charlie: is your attraction to hillary more about the values and the position she has more so than the fact that she is a historic candidacy? amy: that's a good way of saying that. i don't care that she's ever gotten her. or had a baby. -- gotten her period or had a

baby. i have been a fan of hers forever and i think the work that she has done and she is crazy overqualified. it's not because i want a woman in the white house. i think it's an exciting thing and it will be good for little girls. i wasn'the same way interested in the race of obama. i wanted him to win. it's her. charlie: you wanted him to win against her? amy: i was excited about hillary but once it became him, i got very excited about barack once he was the candidate. once he won the nomination. but before that -- amy: i was hoping hillary. i love him and i will miss him so much. charlie: what will you miss? his style?

amy: his smile. charlie: his playlist? amy: is playlist is a little weird. it's a little thing. it's not what important. charlie: no, but it's interesting. amy: it's not like he can do no wrong. but it was all over the place. what was worst on the playlist? i have it right here. amy: do you? do they edit this? charlie: they don't edit. did they edit on cbs the other day? charlie: which joke? , "how long?u said "

we were talking about my relationship with ben. charlie: i said how long? i meant -- amy: i know it you meant. but you said, how long? and i said, umm -- charlie: i don't know if they we won't.out but you play off of words. words, meaning, and you have associations. and you know what funny. amy: i think so. i made you laugh. everybody at the table laughed more than me. and to watch you take it to that place. and the timing was stunning. it was like -- amy: i just stretched out that

moment. charlie: it is what it is. that is the gene you have. at back to hillary for second. you were for her against barack and then you were all in for barack. how much is anti-trump? amy: almost entirely. charlie: people -- amy: who even really knows what he stands for? it is such a farce. it is awful. i think we all thought it was kind of funny when it started. trump, that's hilarious. and then once it became a reality that he was a candidate, it is so disturbing.

i don't even talk about him in my stand up because it's like shooting fish in a barrel. charlie: what is the most contemporary thing you talk about? amy: contemporary? politically? i talked about hillary and meeting her and i talk about gun violence. i think those are the ones. know this from talking to lots of canadians and having them at the table. shaping stand up is hard work. amy: yes, it is. it is time-consuming. weekend of a bunch of shows, i might get a new 10 seconds. of what i'm trying to shape for an hour set. them andi talked to

they will go to clubs and test it and go up and you will find out what is good about it, how to shorten. amy: or if it's just bad. charlie: what is chris have, what does jerry have? you know more of the young comedians than i do. i hope so. it would be strange if you are at the cutting-edge edge of all the new comics. aren't you busy? charlie: what do they have? have, first of all, an enormous love and up session with comedy and with jokes. agreed, he offered to help me with the hours. and then i asked him to direct.

and it doesn't need to be you delivering the joke. if i can help someone with their joke, it so fun. it did this drive that we have, the love of language. premise and it's like, yes, you can go further with that. we delight in it the same way. do you go back to things you used in an earlier stand up and bring them back and try them again? amy: jerry changed my thinking of using old material. , onceeration of comics you say it on tv and it is burned. and he is like, who do you think you are that everyone is seeing every joke? give them the best show possible. if i'm doing an hour, i will do that might equal in

minute of some of my older stuff , the jokes i am the most proud of. i like that philosophy. just to remind yourself it's not about you. these people have bought tickets . it they got dressed up. they parked. they want you to entertain them. i promise myself i'm going to do the best show i've ever done. i want them to just leave happy. charlie: and you will give everything. it's like springsteen on stage. amy: that's exactly how i think of myself. that i don't do three hours and i don't get as sweaty. charlie: is an hour the right time? amy: one hour, maybe one hour and 20 minutes. charlie: did acting come naturally? amy: i have been in place since i was five-- plays since i was five.

i was in college and then i did .his program it was something i wanted to get better at. i've only ever cared about andng, comedy, volleyball. charlie: did you watch the olympics? amy: i watched a beach even though i played indoor. to -- it, it is hard is easier to get doubles on the beach. >> how has it made a difference in your life? it has changed the way i travel and where i stay. closest to, it is a pleasure to be able to give to them and my brother and easier.nd make life

to be able to spread it out. and that is security. it's really nice to have not come from money because i really appreciate it. all i care about is my friends and family. i can help with that. ♪

charlie: how long does this last? not that you should have any sense of how long it lasts but -- they are so good now and they have so many things, i've got to go as fast as i can to do as much as i can? amy: i have felt that way my whole life. and since our gotten in this -- since i've gotten in this business, i don't feel that way now. , ie i have hustled so long need to keep myself sane and healthy. and now i feel like i can slow down a little bit. i don't expect to be at this or evenrever necessarily much longer. and i don't aspire to. i want to keep doing stand up

and writing and creating stuff. but i don't want to do the work to keep myself at this level of buzz. charlie: you don't want that because it's so intense and everyone is hanging on everything and everywhere -- amy: i never wanted that and i don't want it now. charlie: but it goes with the turf. has there been a plan? is there a sense that i'm going to make it in stand up and i know how good that would be? because i to be good have timing and comedic instinct. i just have to pay the price and do the 10,000 hours of whatever it is. i never thought about making even one dollar from stand up. i tried it and i liked it and it was a way of performing.

i didn't know people had managers. they said you can perform at colleges and make $500 an hour and i was like -- my head exploded. like, i would find something as an opportunity presented itself, i'm a comedy manager. it was never a means to any sort of end. l.a., they will say if i do stand up, it will great for me to get hosting work. it was never a plan. i never had a plan. charlie: and that is what good about it. amy: thank you. charlie: it is. amy: ok. charlie: it evolves and finds its own direction and its own speed. "now that all of my work, relationship, tweets, and body parts are public to analyze, i

am proud to label myself a before normal human anyone else did. i've been called everything in the book but i've already branded myself a tramp, so the haters will have to come up with something fresh." amy: yeah. it was about my tattoo. charlie: was it intent? tramp.g yourself as a amy: that is the metaphor of the book. i have this big stupid lower back tattoo. as soon as i'm in a bathing suit -- charlie: you don't want us to see it. amy: it's on the back. charlie: it's a nice tattoo. amy: it is not. it's raised because he went to deep, it is crooked.

it doesn't mean anything. it is an awful tattoo. i think it's funny and i'm not having it removed. charlie: does ben like it? amy: he seems to like everything. i haven't heard a complaint yet. charlie: can we talk about how you got together? tell me. we met on a dating app. charlie: amy schumer is looking for -- amy: my friend told me about this app. we were like, let's sign up for it. .e both are single it nothing we were really wanting to nurture. charlie: this is not swiping. amy: it kind of is.

it is for creative people. it's supposed to be kind of private. you can't screen shot anything. the first match that i got, the , the picture was him dancing at a wedding with his grandma. like other people on there i was just trying to look interesting. he was the first person i talked to. under 48 the app hours. we talked for a month. he met up and i was like, can you just come over? my sister is like, you can't have a stranger from the

internet come to the apartment. it was raining. that's how lazy i am. i'm risking murder so i don't have to put a bra on. he was downstairs waiting and it was raining and we just kind of saw each other and it was just -- i don't know, it's a peaceful moment. i had never experienced that kind of moment of seeing someone because i had never gone on a date with a stranger. and we justother kind of walked to the restaurant we were going to drink at. it is just sweet. charlie: what surprises me is that you haven't found that before. is it because you had been all work? amy: i've usually dated people that i've known.

charlie: or someone you are set up with? amy: the setups were not like that. it was like, ok. i'm sure they felt the same way. it felt different. how much is acting now because of the success of the film? how much will that be part of your future? amy: acting? i don't know. charlie: i love the movie. it is evident in ticket sales, but they loved it. amy: that was really nice. it was my favorite movie that year. amy: yours? i want to do projects that i'm excited about. movie "thank you for your service." it is a drama. charlie: you chose it for what

reason? i auditioned. i did not audition for very much this year. there have not been things that come across that i wanted to be part of. i don't have a chance but i auditioned. halls who wrote "american sniper." he wrote and directed it. spielberg is directing it so i thought, why am i wasting my time? the writer for american sniper, steven spielberg, who wealth? amy: kelly bennett. it's a great movie. charlie: that's what it's like to be amy schumer today. amy: that's exactly it. charlie: because you are good at what you do. and because you have box office appeal, people want to work with you. and people like steven spielberg, it is quality. amy: they said it was the audition. which meant everything to me.

charlie: how far did you prepare for that? really prepared. it's an actual story. david finkel wrote the book so i met the woman i'm playing. i spent time with her. charlie: this is you. you are what you are because you cared more than anybody else. i am surprised other people don't work harder. right? that is why you are who you are. charlie: and they don't understand it -- amy: why am i not doing the thing? , you are theaid senator of new york's daughter. i said, goodbye. there are people you meet and they say you really care and you work your ass off, too. goldie hawn. with her andvie

she hasn't worked in 14 years and she trusted me and chose to do this project and we had the best time. and it's funny. and it's an action movie. i did it because i really care about it. make moneying to acting. if it's something about finance -- i'm going to do stuff that i can be really proud of. is it because people know that and they know what you are capable of doing, an attractive look at interesting str scripts? are you looking at things you would not have seen? amy: i am being sent crab. p. charlie: you see nothing compelling? amy: there are good scripts out there. charlie: i think that you would

be -- because of what you have, you have a sense, to talk to you, that you are so very real and very into the moment of being is good as you possibly can be. that you would be first on the list of people. thank you. i think people don't know what i am yet. and that's fine. it's like, people don't know where to place you so the scripts i am getting is -- like, i'm going to, you know, my cousin's wedding. and she's -- i'm like the drunk friend. i don't want to write a moped through a plate glass window by accident. that does sound pretty funny. but i want to do what i want to do.

sent,ings that i'm being do you want me to do this? and they know i'm so overworked that they are taking it easy on me. charlie: how are you taking care of yourself? amy: i meditate twice a day. i get acupuncture. i go for long walks. i talked to my friends. and i do stand up. i'm doing the things that make me feel good. i know i have been hustling too hard for too long. i'm going to go on to her into stand up. you have used the word "hustle" several times. what does that mean? amy: from the moment you wake up to the moment you go to sleep, doing everything you can to work hard and be prepared. on, it hasm working

been several things for several years. intense and i have very little time for myself. i have really tried to make that time. charlie: thank you for coming. "theook is called, girl with the lower back tattoo." thank you for joining us. see you next time. ♪

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