♪ >> welcome to the latest edition of the best of with all due respect this week. respect this week. our interviews spend the continent. even one of the stars of hamilton. let's start with the boy from the bayou, james. >> my question is this. it is obviously true that the republican party at the national is veryhe party

successful. the democratic party at the present jewel level is a little rocky. i want to look forward to hillary clinton this fall, but look back for a moment. was there a time when you thought she may lose to bernie sanders? i cannot say that i wasn't nervous, by never thought she would lose. in the general, they say, do you see this. i come back and say, if you have this much of this and that much of that, i don't get nervous. >> looking down the road, we know we will get more e-mails in november. we have stories that suggests that clinton foundation donors had a lot of access to her. how much of a threat do think it is, giving it is the biggest local threat to her right now, how big is it? >> i think if i were giving her political advice i would say, shut it down.

as a human being, it makes it really bad person because people are going to die. no one said that if bob dole ifre majority leader -- george h.w. bush is raising money for the bush library when his son was president, that is fine. a lady sent me and him a and it was startedt by george h.w. bush when he was still in office. i think the foundation, i will say this, and then we will move on, of all things that bill clinton did, the things i most proud of is he stop the genocide, the genome project. but, they decided that they don't like it -- >> maybe that is not true. no one thinks that the clinton foundation does not do good work. no one argues that. what people have argued -- >> they say it is just for the

clinton lifestyle, they are just soaking it up. >> there are some people on the far right that say that. by a, people recognize that they do good work. what people were concerned about is the clintons have knowledge knowledge that they're going to effectively get out of that business if she becomes president of the united states. people look back at the time when she was secretary of state and donors had access to her. it is about that access. >> give me an example of access. those who already got the channels.rough normal there are about 85 of the donors. >> they get nothing. >> if it's not problem, why are they shutting it down if she becomes president?

>> i will tell you why. it never bothered them when bonsall was majority. it did not bother me, by the way. ,hey have to have the victory people are going to die. >> what about the obama white house? the obama white house imposed limitations. >> that is fine. >> the point is, the press is doing this. >> they can impose whatever limitations. i am sick that, as a human being, i would say, you need to shut it down to satisfy oppressed that cannot establish exactly what is going on. i think i am a sorry human being. children that my i think we should shut this down to satisfy some people.

>> you look at the trump campaign. fromook at stephen bannon breitbart, sean hannity, and roger ailes, three big huge -- what doesdia that tell you about the campaign? ?hat conclusions can we draw >> the conspiracy, which i think kind of makes sense, is they are setting up to have a news network. there's is actually a thought on the right that if people get in on distilled message, appear nativist message, the people out there are ready to rise up in revolt against the elites, the

democrats, and the whole thing. we will see if they are right in the election cycle. let me just ask you about iss, you know roger ailes savvy politically. >> i said he was one of the three best in my lifetime. >> if you were running the clinton campaign, which i know you not worried at all about the -- stephen aside bannon and sean hannity you are not concerned about the involvement of roger ailes over there? >> yes, i think he is very formidable. >> what about how intersects with debate press? >> i think she will do just fine. trump has never had a one-on-one debate. he was one of 16 people, that is if presidenterent

obama any number of times. she had one on ones with bernie sanders. she does find in debates. i'm really -- i should not say this -- i expect her to do great. >> clean as the clock? >> she will do great. >> there was talk of james carville being the stand in for trump in the debate. is there any truth to that? >> absolutely no truth, and it would be stupid for me to do it. this right, it takes about 100 hours of prep. you have to sit there and listen to every answer that donald trump gives, every come back that he gives, and basically the people who do this have to have a staff. there is no way that james carville is going to sit down and listen and look at 100 hours of tape of donald trump. >> resource management. who should play trump? to bob barnett.

he played bush and 92. again, any number of people that i do not know that are in politics now. sitss to be somebody who and knows every answer to every question he has ever given. the only way you can do that is you have to go through all of the tapes and all of the questions. it cannot be done any other way. >> to think you ever come back together to the moment when we ?ave landslide election strugg >> i think the republican party has construed it is very difficult for them to win the present election. what will happen is "the wall editorial page

and people on the right will say, this election to not count, she did not really win because she eat trump, so she should not appoint anyone to the supreme court, we have to wait for a real election in 2020. >> up next, jason chaffetz on the new development in the clinton e-mail controversy. stay tuned. ♪

nowhouse republicans are accusing the democratic nominee of perjury. our next guest set a six page letter to the u.s. attorney of d.c. outlining a potential case against hillary clinton. think you for being here. and for being the second most an as ever heard

of. >> butch cassidy, number one. >> which cassidy is the most ever.s utahan you are appear talking e-mail. this morning some news broke that there are now 15,000 new previously undisclosed e-mails that the fbi has discovered as the result of some of your questions. what does that mean? >> it is hillary clinton that created this in the first place. inspector general got involved and discover there was classified material and a nonclassified setting. i was stunned when i got the testimony that, as they did the year-long probe, they never looked at the testimony from hillary clinton when she raised her hand under oath. >> the fbi has now sent you a

bunch of material. i know there is confusion about different precinct books. what is wrong here? to think the fbi is in the tank from hillary clinton? >> i have the greatest respect for the fbi. with a he is not dealing political situation. i would come to a different conclusion. he is caught up on content. theink there was intent, fact that she set up the server on the day that she had the senate confirmation hearing. i think she did not want to report this information and make it public. your official dealings are public record. it is one of the biggest purchase of national security that i have ever seen. what i want people to understand back home is there is not one e-mail service, and i forwarded

no, there ismail -- a separate system for classified material and a nonsecure system. extractinghat she is data and transferring that onto a nonsecure system? >> i want to focus on the perjury question. that is a very serious charge. beanbeing, -- john issued a scathing broadside basically saying that you are engaged in the horribly disgusting political effort to clinton -- ili hillary clinton. on all the charges, it comes back to the question of intent. lying,t know you are

intended to deceive. is it your argument that that does not matter, that is not what perjury is about? itself says the intent to hide classified information in a nonsecure setting. she gave between two and five people access to classified information. started, not because of house republicans, but because of the inspector general. >> none of those things goes to the perjury question. one argument is that in every one of these instances, there was no intent to deceive any of the evidence on the record. directorhe fbi testified to is he did not look at her testimony under oath. politicians lie, but it is a whole different level when you come to congress under oath, and give sworn testimony. i did not go into the hearing

thinking that i would ask for that, but the fbi director said he needed a referral from converse, i said, i will give it to you today. >> you are a politician, i to me? >> no. >> you just said that politicians lie, i want to make sure i'm not being lied to. in play?tah and play -- one of the most republican states in the country, hillary clinton is within striking distance of donald trump, why is that? >> we have a large libertarian streak. donald trump did not help when,f way back challenging the mormon credentials of mitt romney. i don't think that was well advised. mike pence is coming to utah soon. one thing that will reunite republicans is their dislike of hillary clinton.

i think given the choice between the two, donald trump gets on message, reaches his hand out to utah, nevada, and arizona, by the way. he will have to do that. >> how do you feel about the fact that the ceo of the trump a shign referred to you as *t. used to thatf get sort of stuff. i don't think much about it. >> are you happy and confident about the nominee of your party? hillarymore so than clinton, absolutely. i find her to be one that looks in the camera and lies to the american people. i disagree with several things the donald trump has said, and how he has set them, but that is far better in the context of hillary clinton.

>> jason chaffetz. >> home of butch cassidy. extraordinary pleasure. coming up, we bring into dueling strategists from opposite sides of the aisle. ♪

♪ michael steele, the former chair of the republican party is with us from washington, d.c. and out in los angeles, california. billratic strategist barton, thank you for joining us. michael, we start with you, chairman. if one can still visit these days in american politics, he feels that the trump campaign is engaged in a kind of pivot, as

the candidate has been talking about president obama's immigration policy, and the last called, it can be outreach to minorities voters, offering the nihilistic message -- what else you have to lose? how effective is this? >> i don't think it is necessarily effective to those constituencies that are not down with trump. i think the vast majority of the black community has long made up its mind. the number will not be 1% on election day, but it will not take 20%. there is a lot more work to do there. immigrationn the front, a lot of bridges burnt on that front. twooes beyond those constituencies. it is going very in-your-face to

those voters who are still on the fence, still undecided, independent voters, etc.. also, white theme of voters who are starting to look at the race as this thing gets to labor day and beyond. i think it is the appropriate time to make that turn. it is not a full pivot, more slight flight zero let -- irouette. >> bill, let me ask you this question. you have the story today, : manye donald trump debate whether he is racist." i thought he would do this for a couple days and then stopped.

he is doing it in a sustained way. in this story, they report that he is action going to start going to black neighborhoods and talk to actual black people as to talking about black people with white people in the audience as surrogates. does this really help with white suburban women, which is the feeling that they will hear this and think, maybe he is not a racist. >> i think that is certainly what he is tried to do, but it is so disingenuous and the way -- i going about it is so think the american people, particularly college educated white women that donald trump is trying to reach out to, have more common sense than to think that the way donald trump is talking about this will have any

impact. it is not a great sign when your vice presidential nominee is laughing at the strategy and interviews -- in interviews. i do not think it is going all that well, with all due respect to mike who says it is a moreette -- which is much dramatic, in my view. >> i like that we are getting deep into choreography. bills point, you think that donald trump will presumably get 2% of the black float in certain swing states. i wonder, the language is using, painting a picture of black america mired in its own poverty, this apocalyptic existence that apparently all black americans live in, doesn't that run the risk of actually alienating at least some of the people like to have on your

side? >> it does. it is a real bifurcated argument, if you will. talking just about the horrors that may or may not exist in any given community is one , while it going those good things that are happening where folks are taking their own initiative, not necessarily relying on the program or government outreach. there are genuine efforts, grassroots, native to the community, whether it is , localeneurs, teachers community leaders, who are also trying to deal with some of the systemic issues. what donald trump has to do is marry those two conversations and really give a full throated and realistic view of what is happening in the community. if you're going to talk about my community, one, show up. two, understand exactly what is going on.

then, share with me exactly how you propose for us to get to the next level. >> i will shift the focus on the democratic side. you were with obama and campaign in 2008 point he was according hillary clinton to be secretary of state. i think you were aware that president obama wanted to have a really big wall between the clinton foundation and the secretary of state office. knowing what we now currently no, do you think she abided by the spirit or the letter of what he wanted from her? >> absolutely. i can she absolutely did. if you look at the story and what we are talking about, it is such a small sliver of the clinton foundation donors and the meetings that she had. we're tight 185 meetings out of 17,000. we're talking about 85 donors out of 7000.

if this is paid to play, not many are paying to play. >> do you think president obama would say he envisioned a state hillary clinton would set up these meetings and he would say, this is fine with me? >> i don't think he would be engaged in what dave's band was doing in particular, but if you talk about a nobel laureate coming to visit the secretary of state -- yes, i think you would assume that that person would meet with the secretary of state. >> melinda gates and mohammed younis are probably not the best examples to give, but you could president obama would be happy if half of the quote "civilians that he met with were clinton foundation donors? half,st of all, it is not it is a small sliver of p guess

i have a secret for you. president obama, while president of the united states, had meetings with people who gave him money during the time he was president. it happens. when you so, the fact that secretary clinton was engaged in this should not be a surprise and should not be as hyped up as it has by the media. >> we have 30 seconds. just go. >> that is all well and good but that is not how the american people are reading it. this is why they have this distrust about hillary clinton because of stuff like this. from los angeles and washington d.c., thank you for your time. >> coming up, we brought the pride of mount vernon from broadway to bloomberg.

"hamilton" star chris jackson joins us for a discussion where we mix politics and history with hip-hop. you will not want to miss this. ♪

♪ we recently had a special visitor at the set, a guy who has been a part of "sesame street," and is currently one of the stars of the hottest ticket in the country, "hamilton," the very model of modern major musicals. he is chris jackson, who plays the very first president of these united states, george washington. we covered a lot of ground with chris, working on a show in a politically divisive era. >> when i think about 2016, if -- this is a year with an extraordinary amount of interest in politics. everyone is a zest with what's going on. in the cultural realm, there's nothing that people are more

obsessed with the show you are in. right? has beenhow you are in hugely unifying. the right loves that, left loves it. i don't do a lot of things were surprising to you. how surprised are you that there has been so much ideological coming together over the greatness of the show? chris: i was talking to a friend of mine and we said it feels like church. you get in a fight on the schoolyard friday, and then sitting in church on because you sunday are supposed to be there, you need to be there. you get something from it, because your parents dread you. are either way you walk in a church not so mad. you let things calm down a little bit. nobody wants to do that in this day and age. you're in the middle of the school yard swing and everybody and screaming. that's the one gets all the attention. so, there is that. >> our show welcomes everybody to come in under the banner of

america is not perfect, but america is trying. they had the same kind of divisiveness, if not more so, yet we're still here having the , arguments. that says something i think to the greater point, which is it's , a really good idea. we have to keep trying to find it. >> when people talk about how divisive this current election year is, having done this musical, do you feel like you have a greater sort of tolerance for division, knowing what you know about the founding fathers and the fractious debates and , duels they used to get into? chris: i think i have a little more patience for the process of it. and just except that this is where we are, and try to find ways -- part of doing the show for me is a means to push against the ocean a little bit and say, hey there is a better , way we can do it. eventually, everyone gets tired, exhausted from it. unfortunately, that usually is

the voting public and once the , election is over, everyone is exhausted and no one wants to be involved any more. but, my hope is that a show like "hamilton" keeps that interest piqued, like the 15 or 16-year-old kids say i'm going to pay a little bit more attention about what happened before i was born. i can understand the context and have a context for what's happening now. >> you are a "west wing" fan, right? chris: yes. >> big, like, political junkies on the cast of "hamilton." chris: yes. >> what is the talk? how much have you followed the events the last year? weis: it is tricky because have met almost, well, over half of the sitting cabinet right now. [laughter] they've all been in the show. >> some multiple times. chris: yeah. a few times. we spent a little time in washington, which was kind of nice. >> at the white house? chris: yes we did.

we've meet supreme court judges. it's such an incredible array of people from the beltway and entertainment and everything. we were putting the show together, there was a lot of conversation about it, just because it was easy to see the relevance of what was happening and what we were talking about , and we were still sort of , understanding, discovering what our show was. >> were you gassed when, like, cabinet secretaries were coming to the show? yes, a few times. yeah, absolutely. none of that is lost on us. we were in the east room of the white house performing for the president this last spring. when it was all over, he stood up and thanked me and the cast and when he finished his , remarks, i was about to take pictures, i burst out crying. i had to find his shoulder to compose myself. i stood up thinking about it, like my grandmother who was so

concerned about us being awoke, being citizens, being black active citizens in our community and our country. , she dreamt so many things for me but never dreamt that moment. ,do you know what i may not go but she gave me the rocket fuel to keep pushing forward. and there were 100 or so kids in the audience that day and that's the thought i have when i think about the show, we keep being put in places where we can reach someone whose mind is still willing to learn and not have the kind of opinions that keep them on one side or the other, but just allow them to be curious and discover all the ideas. when you can be in that position, life is good. the work is good. >> so, obama. right? having given the speech at the

convention, his last really big political speech to a multimillion audience, he has one more speech to give that is planned, unless there's a tragedy or a war, which is his farewell address. you have meditated about the farewell address. there is a song in the show about it, "one last time." washington, our first president, not to do the same thing -- did the same thing. what are you hoping to hear obama talk about in his farewell address? um.s: i think a lot about that in terms of where he was, which was desperately seeking relief from the office that he held. [laughter] he needed to be done, you know? and that's, for me, every night that's what the song really

represents is an expression of the strength and hope that the office gives you, but also the fact that it breaks you down until you have nothing left. until three words are all you can really say and that's what "one last time" really represents to me and in endeavoring to pass that sense of hope off to the american public and the american idea at , large. president obama filled, i think a majority of the country with , hope in 2008 and the campaign leading up to it. i was hopeful. and not just the symbolism of seeing his face, you know, every time i looked at the president, knowing that that's, that man looks like me. more like me and knows my experience more than perhaps any other president in the history of our country. my hope is that he is able to reignite that fire in all of us.

and remind us, yet again, it is not about winning or losing it's , about moving the ideas forward and finding better ways to be americans, and representing this country. and to provide some sort of life and hope for kids. >> he's a big fan of the musical. but he also sort of takes credit a little bit. [laughter] how real is that? because i know he heard the mix tape and then went to the white house. chris: yeah. >> can he claim any part of the sort of "hamilton" success? correct the record or don't. [laughter] chris: well, presidential prerogative, right? i will say he certainly helped. knowing lin as well as i do, if he didn't have that moment to write for and to perform it and to find the spark in the words

that came to him early on, who can say of whether will or not it would have -- >> this sounds like credit is being given. chris: lin gives him a little bit of credit, with a wink. look, the president has been so gracious and kind to us and if i were in his shoes i would take credit for it, too! [laughter] >> you are a veteran. i don't know people understand your amazing career on broadway. "lianting," where you played simba. the show is different though. talk about the emotional energy of putting this show together, in comparison to others you have done which are equally blockbuster huge shows? chris: i'm older than i was. [laughter] >> that is a copout. nah, that's real!

>> 40 is the new 30. chris: believe it. >> until you do eight shows a week. chris: >> 40 is the new 60. it's exhausting in a way unlike any other show i've ever done. there are more words in this show than almost every shakespeare play. and because the whole thing is sung through, once that first down beat happens it doesn't stop. so, you got intermission, but that's sort of a five minute recovery and then start adding , the layers of velvet and things you have to wear for the second act. so it is different. it's a long show. we're performing an opera eight times a week. opera singers sing maybe three times a month. it's a different, just from a technical performance aspect. and you know, like happened outside the show. >> it does? outside of work? chris: yeah, you miss a lot. you have to try to keep up with it.

i always say you are never 100% when you do a broadway show. you are navigating whatever percentage of energy, health, strength you have, and because this show -- everyone in the show, we are climbing this mountain in the first act, and the second act we're all climbing down this same mountain. emotionally, we all have the same kind of experience the audience has in terms of where we're ending up at the end of the show, we're all awash with it. that's why after the show the stage becomes a green room. i'm generally not leaving the theater for like an hour after the curtain comes down because it takes that much time to come down and to be able to have , conversations with people who have come and taking pictures , and your signing stuff, and you are just communing with folks. it becomes a very spiritual experience by the end of the show.

everyone a sort of worship at the altar of america for a little while. and we're all sort of hung over a little bit by it and people are trying to process what they've seen or felt, as are we. >> to make a house call to address the claims on hillary clinton's health. stay tuned, and that is dr.'s orders.

♪ >> i think hillary is tired. i do. when i saw hillary at the press conference sitting down, the democratic appointed police chief pretending she was pro-police was one of the most pathetic press conferences i have ever seen. first of all, she looked sick. alex: that was america's mayor, sorry, one-time mayor of an american city rudy giuliani questioning hillary clinton's health. this is not new in the donald trump campaign. it started this month with a video portraying hillary clinton as a stuttering, short-circuited robot.

a week later, donald trump questioned her strength and stamina. last week, his national spokeswoman, someone who is not a medically trained doctor, katrina pearson, she offered her own medical diagnosis. >> he has said she does not have the strength or the stamina for a very long time. that part is nothing new. what is new on the other reports of the observations of hillary clinton's savior and mannerisms, specifically with what you just showed in this previous clips as well as her dysphasia, the fact that she has fallen power up -- fallen. she has had a concussion. john: the donald trump campaign has been getting some direction, from the hand on the end of this proctology exam, the conservative media. like the drudge report, which posted an old photo of hillary clinton with the tagline "hillary conquers the stairs." and also breitbart attacking the

media for staying quote -- same quote strangely silent , on this issue. alex: then there was sean "i never claimed to be a journalist," hannity who brought -team forews medical a a full clinton physical, and to make it seem legitimate, he brought props. >> you know, the picture you showed, going up the stairs speaks a million words. if she really fatigued? dehydrated? one of the reasons she fell in and have a concussion was severe 2012, dehydration. they are holding her and going up the stairs, so she maybe really dehydrated, arthritis, back pain, may have fallen again. we don't know. there are a lot more questions that are unanswered. alex: well, as it turns out, we can buy costumes as well. this sunday, rudy giuliani backed to the wild assertions with the one source of medical knowledge that no one should question, the internet. >> there is nothing factual to the claims about her health and

that is speculation at best. >> go online and put down "hillary clinton illness" and take a look at the videos for yourself. john: so taking our cue from , that helpful tip, we decided to jump right in on the old internet machine. we looked up hillary clinton illness and we found multiple , articles debunking these wild eyed, lunatic conspiracy theories. we also thought, let's see what is up with this rudy guy so we googled rudy giuliani dementia. we came up with that he may be suffering from dementia. from the medical experts as something called the ring of fire, who have about as much medical expertise as we did. this, as i remove my surgical scrubs. alex: you need to keep your hands sterile. for the pending operation. john: the anatomy of a smear, conspiracy theory. alex: putting on costumes was a questionable decision made very very quickly during a commercial break.

john: and yet i feel very good about it. i think these claims are ridiculous and is garbage. alex: this has been going on for a long time. i do not think, there are a cannot leave -- a bunch of things that trump campaign has to choose from, the magic, dysphasia, of the medical terms that begin with "d" there are other things they can focus on. john: if you do not have a medical degree, shut up. like shut up. even if you have a medical degree like meteorologist. be right back. more of the best of "with all due respect," after this word from our sponsors. ♪

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