>> welcome to the latest edition of the best of with all due respect. politicians and strategists from coast-to-coast. james carville. it is true the republican -- most of the statehouses

and state legislatures, the control of the house, at the moment, but democratic presidential level is rocky. look back for a moment. was there any time when you thought she might lose to bernie sanders? >> i can't say that i wasn't nervous. but i never thought she would lose. just like in the general, people call and say, did you see this? and i come back and think, that much of this and that much of that. >> looking down the road, we know we will get a bunch of e-mails and we have a bunch of stories that suggest donors who had access to her. how much of a threat do you think it is, it giving it is the biggest looming political threat right now. how much of a threat is it? >> if i were running a campaign of getting political advice i would say, shut it down. people are going to die. now, no one said -- if bob dole was the majority leader, if

george w. bush is raising money for his library when his son was president, that is fine. a lady sent me an e-mail from a charity watchdog group and pointed out that -- started by george h.w. bush while he was still in office. i think the foundation is -- i will say this -- all the things bill clinton has done, he stop the genocide. the human genome project will end up with our grandchildren and the foundation. but congress has said that they don't like it. >> no one thinks the clinton foundation doesn't do good work. no one argues that. >> they say it is just a clinton lifestyle. something for nothing.

>> there are some people on the far right to say that but by and large peak, people acknowledge it is good work. but what we are concerned about is that the clintons have acknowledged they will effectively get out of that business. people look back at the time when she was secretary of state and donors had access to her. it is about the access. >> give me an example of access, -- >> there was a big ap story -- >> what did they get? nothing. the press has decided that they don't like it. bob dole was the majority leader

and it never bothered them and it didn't bother me when president bush started. they have to have their victory and they will have the victory. >> what about the obama white house? they impose limitations on the clinton foundation. >> that's fine. >> but they are not the press. >> the white house said they could impose whatever limitations. i am sick that as a human being, i would say that you need to -- i think it is a sorry human being. i apologize --

>> stephen bannon. roger ailes. what does that tell you about the campaign? what conclusion can we draw. >> well look, the conspiracy they are setting of a news network. i think it will be pay-per-view. if people get a real latest message that people out there are ready to rise up and revolt against the elites and the democrats and the whole thing,

we will see if they are right in the election cycle. but these guys have no moderating effect. >> let me just ask you -- you don't just see roger ailes as a -- you do not dispute that roger ailes is a savvy political operative. so is he not someone to be -- if you were running the clinton campaign, would you not be worried at all? would you not be concerned about roger ailes? on your campaign mechanics? >> i think he is formidable. donald trump has never had a one-on-one debate. debating against 16 people is entirely different but she has debated president obama a number of times. she has had one on ones with

bernie sanders. she does fine and debates. i shouldn't say this but you are supposed to temper expectations down but i think she will do great. she will do great. >> there is a discussion about you being the stand-in for the debate. is there truth to that question? >> no truth. and it would be stupid for me to do that. i'll tell you why. in order to do this right it takes 100 hours of that. you have to sit there and listen to every answer donald trump gives. this have toat do have staff. there is no way that i will sit down and listen to what hundred hours of tape with donald trump. it is not going to be done.

any number of people, but it has got to be somebody who sits and knows every answer to every question he has ever given. you have to go through all of the tapes and all of the questions. it can't be done any other way. unbelievable preparation. >> do you think the country will ever come back to where we have a landslide election? >> i think with the republican party, it has construed and it was very difficult. what will happen in this election, i can tell you. the wall street journal editorial page will say, this election didn't count. she really didn't win. she really shouldn't appoint anyone to the supreme court.

we need to wait to have a real election. i can already tell you that is what's going to happen. >> up next, the new developments on the clinton e-mail controversy. ♪

>> welcome back. as hillary clinton's e-mail saga continues, republicans are accusing her of perjury, claiming she was not honest about her practices in the 11 hour hearing last year. our next guest sent a six page letter outlining a potential case. a congressman from utah, thank you for being here. and being the second most famous utahian i have heard of.

the most favorite ever. i'm really proud of myself for saying that. you are up here, saying e-mail. this morning, news broke that there are 15,000 new e-mails, previously undisclosed, that the fbi has. what do you think that means? >> we're trying to get at the truth. it is hillary clinton who created this in the first place. the inspector general got involved and found there was classified information floating in a nonclassified situation -- setting. i was stunned when i heard the testimony from the fbi director that they never looked at the testimony from hillary clinton on capitol hill when she raised her hand and was under of. you cannot lie to congress. >> the fbi has sent you a bunch

of material. what is the basic deal with what you think is wrong here? do you think the fbi is in the tank for hillary clinton? >> i have the greatest respect for the fbi. i think james comey is not in a political situation. i come to a different conclusion on the law. he is caught up on intent. i think there was intent. the fact that she set up the server on the very day she started her sons and -- senate confirmation hearing. the fact that she did not want to have to report this information and make it public. are secretary of state, your official dealings are of public record. it is one of the biggest breaches of national security i have ever seen. there is not just one e-mail service and, i forward it on

here to gmail. there is a separate, secure system for classified material and a nonsecure system. how was it that she is extracting data and extracting data and transferring it onto a nonsecure system? on thent to focus perjury question because that is a very serious charge. basically saying you guys are engaged in a disgusting political effort to smear secretary clinton. it seems to me like on all of the four charges, it comes back to the question of intent. to perjure yourself, you must know you were lying. is that your argument that it

does not matter? >> the statute says the intent to house this in a nonsecure setting and that is clearly what she did. she gave between 2-10 people access who didn't have security clearance access to classified information. and it was because of the inspector general. >> none of those things go to the perjury question. that in everyis one of these instances, there is ofintent to deceive in any the evidence in the record. >> but what the fbi director testified to is that he did not look at her under oath. politicians lie. but it is a whole different level when you come to congress under oath and give sworn testimony.

the fact that the fbi never looked at it. he said he needed a referral from congress. >> you are a politician. are you lying to me right now? >> i just want to make sure. >> it is a matter of law. >> why is you talk in play? -- utah in play? hillary clinton is within striking distance. >> we have a large libertarian streak. donald trump did not help himself way back in the primary when he challenged the mormon credentials of mitt romney. i do not think that was well advised. mike pence is coming to utah soon. the one thing that will reunite republicans is their dislike of hillary clinton.

>> the guy who is now the ceo of the trump campaign referred to -- howa sniveling little do you feel about that? >> i hope he has more important things to worry about. i was a placekicker once upon a time in college. >> are you happy, confident, and excited about the nominee of your party? >> much more so than hillary clinton. i find her to be one that will look into the camera and lie to the american people. i disagree with some of the things donald trump has said but that is far better in the context compared to hillary clinton. >> always an extraordinary

pleasure. coming up, we bring in dueling strategists from opposite sides of the aisle. ♪

>> the former chair of the republican party is with us from washington, d.c. democratic strategist bill burton, thank you for joining us. let's start with you, chairman. if one can still pivot in american politics, it feels like the donald trump campaign is engaged in a kind of pivot as the candidate has been talking

laudably about president obama's deportation policies. the last week of outreach to minority voters. offering the nihilistic aspirational message, what else do you have to lose? how effective is any of this? >> i don't think it is necessarily effective to those constituencies that are not down with trump. i think the vast majority of the black community has long made up its mind. the number won't be 1% on election day but it certainly won't be 20. i know there is a lot more work to do there. certainly on the immigration front. again, a lot of bridges burnt with the hispanic community. here is the rub. the conversation goes beyond those two constituencies. it is going really in your face to those voters who are still on the fence and undecided.

yes, there are still some. and to white female voters who are looking at this race and starting to look at it as we get to labor day and beyond. so i think it is an appropriate time to pivot. it is a slight or wet -- irouhette. >> let me ask you this question about the washington post story today. inside donald trump's new strategy, counter review that he -- counter the view that he is racist. not a great headline. any -- bluntly speaking, he is doing this a lot. i thought he might do this for a couple of days but he is doing

this in a sustained way. talking about african-american voters. and talking to actual black people. >> talking to mostly white people is what you mean to say. >> does this help with white suburban women? works?e any chance that >> it is certainly what he is trying to do but it is so disingenuous and the way he is going about it is so condescending. talking about the african-american community like it is a crime-ridden neighborhood. it's not. it is a lot more complicated than that. i think american people, college-educated white women, have more common sense than to think the way donald trump is talking about this will have any impact. it is not a great sign if your vice president of nominee is

laughing at the strategy and interviews. i do not think it is going that well. with all due respect to michael steele. >> but chairman, to bill's point, i like that we get deep into choreography, isn't there a risk? you think donald trump will get presumably more than 2% of the black vote in swing states but i wonder, using the language he is using, painting the picture of black america as one mired in its own poverty, and apocalyptic despond and existence -- this fondant existence apparently that all black americans live in, doesn't that run the risk of alienating at least some of the people he would like to have? >> it does.

it is a bifurcated argument. talking just about the horrors that may or may not exist in any given community is one conversation. while ignoring those good things that actually are happening, where folks are taking their own initiative. they are not relying on a program or some government outreach. but there are genuine efforts, grassroots, native to the community, whether it is entrepreneurs or teachers or local community leaders who are trying to deal with systemic issues. i think what donald trump has to do is marry the two conversations and give a full throated and realistic view of what is happening in the community. if you are going to talk about my community, show up, understand exactly what is going bad, and the the

not so ugly, and share with me how you propose to get to the next level. >> on the democratic side, i will ask you this question. you were with the obama campaign in 2008. you were in the white house when the administration started. i think we are both aware that president obama wanted to have a big wall between the clinton foundation and the secretary of state office. knowing what we currently now know, do you think she abided by the spirit of what he wanted from her in terms of shielding herself from donors? >> absolutely. i think she absolutely did. and if you look at this story, it is such a small sliver of clinton foundation donors and meetings that she had. we are talking about 185 meetings out of 17,000. 85 donors out of 7000.

>> do you think president obama, if i asked him in 2009, whether he envisioned a state department -- barack obama would have said, that is fine with me? >> i think if you are talking about a nobel laureate coming into c the secretary of state -- coming in to see the secretary of state someone who has done , more to lift people out of poverty, he would say yes. gates is not the best example to use. do you think president obama would be happy if half of the civilians he met with were obama campaign donors? >> first of all, it is not half. it is a small and tiny sliver that she met with. president obama had meetings

with people who had also given him money during the time he was president. it happens. when you have people who are leaders of industry or in the nonprofit world, they come in and do meetings with people and government who are working on things that they are working on. so, the fact that secretary clinton was engaged in this should not be a surprise and should not be as hyped up as it has by the media. >> we have 30 seconds. just go. >> that is all well and good but that is not how the american people are reading it. this is why they have this distrust about hillary clinton because of stuff like this. from los angeles and washington d.c., thank you for your time. >> coming up, we brought the pride of mount vernon from broadway to bloomberg. "hamilton" star chris jackson joins us for a discussion where

we mix politics and history with hip-hop. you will not want to miss this. ♪

♪ >> we recently had a special visitor at the set, a guy who has been a part of "sesame street," and is currently one of the stars of the hottest ticket in the country, "hamilton," the very model of modern major musicals. he is chris jackson, who plays the very first president of these united states, george washington. we covered a lot of ground with chris, working on a show in a politically divisive era. >> when i think about 2016, if -- this is a year with an extraordinary amount of interest in politics. everyone is obsessed with what's going on. in the cultural realm, there's

nothing that people are more obsessed with than show you are in. right? and the show you are in has been hugely unifying. the right loves that, left loves it. there are a lot of things were surprising to you. how surprised are you that there has been so much ideological coming together over the greatness of the show? chris: i was talking to a friend of mine and we said it feels like church. you get in a fight on the schoolyard friday, and then sitting in church on sunday because you are supposed to be there, you need to be there. you get something from it, because your parents dread you. -- bug you. either way you walk in a church not so mad. you let things calm down a little bit. nobody wants to do that in this day and age. you're in the middle of the school yard swing and everybody and screaming. that's the one gets all the attention. so, there is that. >> our show welcomes everybody to come in under the banner of

america is not perfect, but america is trying. they had the same kind of divisiveness, if not more so, yet, we're still here having the arguments. that says something i think to the greater point, which is, it's a really good idea. we have to keep trying to find it. >> when people talk about how divisive this current election year is, having done this musical, do you feel like you have a greater sort of tolerance for division, knowing what you know about the founding fathers, and the fractious debates and duels they used to get into? chris: i think i have a little more patience for the process of it. and just except that this is where we are, and try to find ways -- part of doing the show for me is a means to push against the ocean a little bit and say, hey, there is a better way we can do it. eventually, everyone gets tired, exhausted from it.

unfortunately, that usually is the voting public, and once the election is over, everyone is exhausted and no one wants to be involved any more. but, my hope is that a show like "hamilton" keeps that interest piqued, like the 15 or 16-year-old kids say i'm going to pay a little bit more attention about what happened before i was born. i can understand the context and have a context for what's happening now. >> you are a "west wing" fan, right? chris: yes. >> big, like, political junkies on the cast of "hamilton." chris: yes. >> what is the talk? how much have you followed the events the last year? chris: it is tricky because we have met almost, well, over half of the sitting cabinet right now. [laughter] they've all been in the show. >> some multiple times. chris: yeah. a few times. we spent a little time in washington, which was kind of nice. >> at the white house? chris: yes we did. we've meet supreme court judges.

it's such an incredible array of people from the beltway and entertainment and everything. we were putting the show together, there was a lot of conversation about it, just because it was easy to see the relevance of what was happening, and what we were talking about, and we were still sort of understanding, discovering what our show was. >> were you gassed when, like, cabinet secretaries were coming to the show? chris: yes, a few times. yeah, absolutely. none of that is lost on us. we were in the east room of the white house performing for the president this last spring. when it was all over, he stood up and thanked me and the cast, and when he finished his remarks, i was about to take pictures, i burst out crying. i had to find his shoulder to compose myself. i stood up thinking about it, like my grandmother who was so

concerned about us being awoke, being citizens, being black active citizens in our community, and our country. she dreamt so many things for me, but never dreamt that moment. do you know what i mean? she gave me the rocket fuel to keep pushing forward. and there were 100 or so kids in the audience that day and that's the thought i have when i think about the show, we keep being put in places where we can reach someone whose mind is still willing to learn and not have the kind of opinions that keep them on one side or the other, but just allow them to be curious and discover all the ideas. when you can be in that position, life is good. the work is good. >> so, obama. right? having given the speech at the

convention, his last really big political speech to a multimillion audience, he has one more speech to give that is planned, unless there's a tragedy or a war, which is his farewell address. you have meditated about the farewell address. there is a song in the show about it, "one last time." washington, our first president, not to do the same thing -- did the same thing. what are you hoping to hear obama talk about in his farewell address? chris: um. i think a lot about that in terms of where he was, which was desperately seeking relief from the office that he held. [laughter] he needed to be done, you know? and that's, for me, every night

that's what the song really represents is an expression of the strength and hope that the office gives you, but also the fact that it breaks you down until you have nothing left. until three words are all you can really say and that's what "one last time" really represents to me and in endeavoring to pass that sense of hope off to the american public, and the american idea at large. president obama filled, i think, a majority of the country with hope in 2008 and the campaign leading up to it. i was hopeful. and not just the symbolism of seeing his face, you know, every time i looked at the president, knowing that that's, that man looks like me. more like me and knows my experience more than perhaps any other president in the history of our country. my hope is that he is able to reignite that fire in all of us.

and remind us, yet again, it is not about winning or losing, it's about moving the ideas forward, and finding better ways to be americans, and representing this country. and to provide some sort of life and hope for kids. >> he's a big fan of the musical. but he also sort of takes credit a little bit. [laughter] how real is that? because i know he heard the mix tape and then went to the white house. chris: yeah. >> can he claim any part of the sort of "hamilton" success? correct the record or don't. [laughter] chris: well, presidential prerogative, right? i will say he certainly helped. knowing lin as well as i do, if he didn't have that moment to write for and to perform it and to find the spark in the words that came to him early on, who

can say of whether will or not it would have -- >> this sounds like credit is being given. chris: lin gives him a little bit of credit, with a wink. look, the president has been so gracious and kind to us and if i were in his shoes i would take credit for it, too! [laughter] >> you are a veteran. i don't know people understand your amazing career on broadway. you have the "lion king," where you played simba. the show is different though. talk about the emotional energy of putting this show together, in comparison to others you have done which are equally blockbuster huge shows? chris: i'm older than i was. [laughter] >> that is a copout. chris: nah, that's real! >> 40 is the new 30. chris: believe it. >> until you do eight shows a

week. chris: >> 40 is the new 60. it's exhausting in a way unlike any other show i've ever done. there are more words in this show than almost every shakespeare play. and because the whole thing is sung through, once that first down beat happens it doesn't stop. so, you got intermission, but that's sort of a five minute recovery, and then start adding the layers of velvet and things you have to wear for the second act. so it is different. it's a long show. we're performing an opera eight times a week. opera singers sing maybe three times a month. it's a different, just from a technical performance aspect. and you know, like happened outside the show. >> it does? outside of work? chris: yeah, you miss a lot. you have to try to keep up with it. i always say you are never 100%

when you do a broadway show. you are navigating whatever percentage of energy, health, strength you have, and because this show -- everyone in the show, we are climbing this mountain in the first act, and the second act we're all climbing down this same mountain. emotionally, we all have the same kind of experience the audience has in terms of where we're ending up at the end of the show, we're all awash with it. that's why after the show the stage becomes a green room. i'm generally not leaving the theater for like an hour after the curtain comes down because it takes that much time to come down, and to be able to have conversations with people who have come and taking pictures, and your signing stuff, and you are just communing with folks. it becomes a very spiritual experience by the end of the show. everyone a sort of worship at the altar of america for a little while.

and we're all sort of hung over a little bit by it and people >> next, we make a house call to address the claims on hillary clinton's health. stay tuned, and that is doctor's orders. ♪

♪ >> i think hillary is tired. i do. when i saw hillary at the press conference sitting down, the democratic appointed police chief pretending she was pro-police was one of the most pathetic press conferences i have ever seen. first of all, she looked sick. alex: that was america's mayor, sorry, one-time mayor of an american city rudy giuliani questioning hillary clinton's health. this is not new in the donald trump campaign. it started this month with a video portraying hillary clinton as a stuttering, short-circuited robot.

a week later, donald trump questioned her strength and stamina. last week, his national spokeswoman, someone who is not a medically trained doctor, katrina pearson, she offered her own medical diagnosis. >> he has said she does not have the strength or the stamina for a very long time. that part is nothing new. what is new on the other reports of the observations of hillary clinton's behavior and mannerisms, specifically with what you just showed in this previous clips as well as her dysphasia, the fact that she has fallen. she has had a concussion. john: the donald trump campaign has been getting some direction, from the hand on the end of this proctology exam, the conservative media. like the drudge report, which posted an old photo of hillary clinton with the tagline "hillary conquers the stairs." and also breitbart attacking the media for staying quote -- same

quote, strangely silent on this issue. alex: then there was sean "i never claimed to be a journalist," hannity who brought the fox news medical a-team for a full clinton physical, and to make it seem legitimate, he brought props. >> you know, the picture you showed, going up the stairs speaks a million words. if she really fatigued? dehydrated? one of the reasons she fell in 2012, and have a concussion was severe dehydration. they are holding her and going up the stairs, so she maybe really dehydrated, arthritis, back pain, may have fallen again. we don't know. there are a lot more questions that are unanswered. alex: well, as it turns out, we can buy costumes as well. this sunday, rudy giuliani backed to the wild assertions with the one source of medical knowledge that no one should question, the internet. >> there is nothing factual to the claims about her health and that is speculation at best.

>> go online and put down "hillary clinton illness" and take a look at the videos for yourself. john: so, taking our cue from that helpful tip, we decided to jump right in on the old internet machine. we looked up hillary clinton illness, and we found multiple articles debunking these wild eyed, lunatic conspiracy theories. we also thought, let's see what is up with this rudy guy so we googled rudy giuliani dementia. we came up with that he may be suffering from dementia. from the medical experts as something called the ring of fire, who have about as much medical expertise as we did. this, as i remove my surgical scrubs. alex: you need to keep your hands sterile. for the pending operation. john: the anatomy of a smear, conspiracy theory. alex: putting on costumes was a questionable decision made very very quickly during a commercial break. john: and yet i feel very good

about it. i think these claims are ridiculous and is garbage. alex: this has been going on for a long time. i do not think, there are a cannot leave -- a bunch of things that trump campaign has to choose from, dementia, dysphasia, of the medical terms that begin with "d" there are other things they can focus on. john: if you do not have a medical degree, shut up. like shut up. even if you have a medical degree like meteorologist. be right back. more of the best of "with all due respect," after this word from our sponsors. ♪

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♪ david: welcome to bloomberg businessweek. i am david gura. carol massar is on assignment this week. in this week's issue, baltimore's secret surveillance program. a plane has been flying over the city since january and recording pretty much everything. the technology behind bitcoin. world war ii grave robbers and what is being done to stop them. all of that and more ahead on "bloomberg businessweek." ♪ david: i am with ellen pollack, the editor-in-chief of "bloomberg businessweek." let's start with a section about preschool in japan.