♪ announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: you are at your best when you are challenged? set the scene for me. what would make a very invigorating and challenging race for you? lewis: the challenging races are generally where i started when i was younger. we did not have the best equipment. we would start at the back of the grid and in the race, i would pick off people one by one. i would make my way through the group. that is generally how i learned

to overtake. i became one of the best from coming from the back every time. when i got to formula one, i would have races where i would start in the back and come through. there have been races where i have started 20th and come through and finish second. most to me are the exciting races because it is like playing chess with a different person every time. they have different characteristics. you will find one driver is a bit crazy. i'm not going to say who it is but they make the car as wide as the road. some are harder, easier, smarter, faster. knowing which one you are coming up to and going up against. charlie: some argue that there is now more technology than there ever has been and it takes

it out of the driver's hands. lewis: most of the comments that are made about formula one, i think people do not have the knowledge of what is going on. it is different. we do have a lot of technology but operating that technology is another task in itself. i would not say that it is less challenging for a driver. what you have to learn today in terms of all of the switches and mechanics that we have, it is more challenging. it was a little more physical so they say. but today, it is a lot faster. it balances out. we have a lot more going on and a lot more control. a lot more aids in balance in the car in the race. back then they do not have that. we do not have manual gears. i would not say that is the

case, it is more mental today. charlie: but you would prefer -- do you sometimes want to go back? lewis: i am more old school. i want manual. i like a manual car. i drove that car from 1989. charlie: if you could make this happen and be in a race with him with those cars at that time? lewis: same car. if i could have been alongside in the car, that would've been great. charlie: what would it be? lewis: for me, i can relate it to when i got to formula one after watching michael in those years and i was behind matt one point.

and i was driving behind him and i don't want to overtake this guy. i'm going to sit back and enjoy being behind him. i would imagine it would be the same. i would be happy to be behind him. charlie: why is he that he wrote instead of michael and michael won seven? you will win three if you win this year. senna is the guy you want to be. lewis: definitely. there have been lots of different champions along the way. but as a kid, senna was the first guy i noticed. he is the one who caught my eye when i was five years old watching the races on the weekends with my dad. i started to follow him and read his books. i watched his videos and like any kid would be a football player or athlete, they are magnetized to one of them.

that is how it was with him. i followed him and loved his aggressive style, how he stood up for things he felt were right. i believed he was right in many ways. the things he was fighting against. it was a cool balance and cool approach. michael won seven championships. it was in a time where ferrari dominated five years in a row. there were also times when his teammate would give him a win. charlie: they would lay back? lewis: no. he would be leading the race and have done a better job that weekend. just before the finish line, he would let michael pass. i don't agree with that. they say we are a team and we are teammates. but you have two championships. you have to work towards helping

the team win. in the end of it, you want to be the winning driver. i feel he had the better of him in many scenarios and had to always give it up. even if he didn't, the team disadvantaged him. charlie: you would never give it up? you would not want that. lewis: no, i would never want that. i want to own it. if he beats me, i know i have to be better and live to fight another day. for me it would be selfish. to know that i would win by having it given to me? charlie: you believe you are the best driver in formula one and you believe you have the best car in formula one. lewis: it is not just because of but it is the hard work, the

work ethic. i don't want to have it easy. i want to work, be recognized as the best because the way i overtake, the way i drive the car, the way i do something different than any other driver. charlie: one year after you joined formula one, you became the world champion? lewis: yes. charlie: one-year. two years, ok. but then you did not win for a while. lewis: i didn't. most drivers that get to formula one they come to a another team. i signed with them. the pressure that was on us as a family having to perform every single weekend, we had to get those results. we had to win the championships. all the different strategized , ins in different classes the way we can across, and the way we presented ourselves, and we were representing them.

we wanted to be a good report to mclaren. they are pleasant people, easy-going. they work hard. we wanted to have that image. charlie: the family did? lewis: yes. absolutely. that is what we really worked on. i won the championship that year year and i knew that there was a seat moving. if i win, they won't make me stay a second year. i can go to formula one. if there is a seat available, i might get it. i won the championship. they said they would give me a chance. and i knew i had the test coming up. i was training like crazy and studying the manual to know the car. nothing can prepare you for when you sit in a formula one car and a strap you up. it is like an orchestra before

you leave the garage. when you leave it, you are driving a multimillion dollar car. if you crash it, it will cost a lot of money and they may not give you another chance. it is scary. charlie: you mentioned how competitive it was for you. when did you know you weren't like the other kids? that you had something? as you went from 15th to first and past them all, that was skill because you didn't have the best car. lewis: i just did it. it was what i loved doing. charlie: did you think you had the best skill then? lewis: no. charlie: was there a moment you knew i can do this? lewis: whenever i'm behind the wheel, that is when i feel i belong. i would never be the most confident person outside the car. i was not outspoken, i was timid and shy. when i get in the car with my helmet on, it is the one place

where i knew my dad was proud of me. i struggled at school. i was missing days of school and i was trying to catch up. i struggled. i struggled so much to catch up. having extra lessons and all these different things i , couldn't keep up with the workload especially when i was missing a thursday and a friday. i missed half the curriculum every year. but i knew as long as i performed on the track, i would get good grades and reports as much as i can. i know if i perform well, my dad would have a smile on his face. charlie: now that you have performed so well in the car, in the cockpit, has a given you confidence in other areas of your life? lewis: i think so. with age, i have gained confidence outside. when i got to formula one, i was never prepared for the interviews.

they were throwing curve balls at you all the time and i had no way of knowing how to bat it back. down a lot ofell rabbit holes along the way. it has been a learning process. the hard way. charlie: isn't it true the first years you were there that you kept placing second or third. finally when you didn't place, you didn't know where to go. because you always have been going to the podium where you would be recognized. lewis: that's not true. i had grown up being further behind. i have not always been at the front. it was not really the case. the first year i met mclaren who was the two-time world champion.

2007, he had number one on his car. i was going to be number two. i remember sitting and studying. i've got to make sure i somehow am going to match this guy. i believe somewhere in me there was the speed to catch up with this guy. before the first race in his office, he said don't be surprised if your half a second behind at the finish. you don't know what that did to me inside. it just boiled me inside. not because he was undervaluing me but he was not expecting me to be able to answer to his special new guy. charlie: he said, expect to be beaten? lewis: yeah. beenie: your life had not about expecting to be beaten? lewis: no. he did beat me in the first race

but i finished just behind him. race i maybe the third beat him and then i beat him in the championship. charlie: you won the championship? lewis: i lost it by one. i was leading the championship by 17 points in the second race. then i had a big disastrous off which lost me 10 points. in the last race, my car broke down and i lost it by one point. i won in the second year by one point. charlie: that could crush you? lewis: it did, it destroyed me. mentally, that was the biggest knock i had ever taken. in one sense you have to remember, it it was my first year. the pressure was unbelievable. the pressure i put on myself was

the biggest. i put way too much pressure on myself at the time. but i had pressure from my dad and from my team and my expectation. now i have been delivering. i have the world championship, i have not been in this position. i started to fumble and make mistakes. it slipped through my fingers. i did not know how to handle it. you get out of the car, and you take it so personally. the pain in my heart was unbearable. straightaway, you get out of the car and you are in front of the cameras. you forget that behind those cameras is a million people watching what you are saying. at the time, i was not prepared to suck it up. i wear my heart on my sleeve. it was really tough. and the next year in the last race, i had to finish fifth to win the championship. th.ell to six

he was right ahead of me. there was nothing i could do to get closer to him. there was four or three laps left and i couldn't do anything for the life of me. to save my life, i couldn't overtake him. but it had been raining. i took him at the last corner and i came across a line thinking that i had lost. my heart was exactly the same as the previous year. it came on the radio saying i was the world champion. i burst into tears. charlie: that was what you have been dreaming about since you were five or six years old. lewis: yes. charlie: you knew earlier you wanted to win, be a world champion. lewis: that was in brazil. i had that as well. it was the biggest climax really. ♪

♪ charlie: do you know why you had this dream other than the fact that in the go-kart you were good? you would come from behind to win. you and your family had put it together. everybody sacrificed for you to be there. you sacrificed most of all. you had the dream. you dreamed of being number one, being the world formula one

champion. you dreamed of yourself. lewis: everyone has dreams. charlie: but you pursued this? lewis: i did but i was very fortunate. i have my family. i have friends i grew up with that did not grow up with her dads around. their dads left and started new families. my dad stuck around. he hung around. charlie: more than that, he gave you everything he could possibly give you? lewis: absolutely. some fathers do that but what my he did for me, i could never pay him back. the only thing i can do is make sure every time i'm in the car today with the opportunity he has helped to give me, i have got to grab it with both hands and never take it for granted. charlie: was it your family that gave you the persistence you had? lewis: my dad was persistent that i be catholic and go to church.

we went to church until i was eight or nine and then i was racing every weekend. other than that, my dad did not really push it on us. after that, i found it myself. it became my compass and guiding tool to help me be and do what i am doing today. charlie: you are a very candid and honest guy who understands yourself. i mean, there came a point where you had to make a break from your father. lewis: yes, that was one of the hardest moments ever. my dad had been managing me throughout my whole life. i could never have a better manager than my dad. the reason being is he knows what we have been through. he knows my values as a family. values me more than anything in the world anyone can value me. when it comes to presenting your

client, it is always heart. also, knowledge. with managers there is an , incentive to make money but this was all about our dream and what we have been working for. there's a point when i was 23 or 24 years old. i had moved to a country. i was living in switzerland which my dad had advised me to do. i was lonely and in a period of time when i had moved out, lived on my own, i could make my own money. i need to make my next decisions. i need to make my own mistakes so i can grow as a man. my dad would continue to manage me today, the way it was controlled, i would not be allowed to go through the growing process and make the mistakes. i really had to do it.

it started getting difficult because it went from a father-son relationship to a business relationship. there was no hugging. there was no -- let's chill and watch tv. there was none of that. it was all work. i missed that. the result point where i told him i just wanted him to be my dad. just come to the races and i will make you proud. that was incredibly hard for him to take an hard for me to do it and break away. it had to be a hard break at the time. it took years for us to recover. the following years were just difficult as a family. at the time, it kind of destroyed the family a little bit. that is all my dad lived and breathed. it was like, what do i do now? you don't need me. it is not that i don't need you.

charlie: you wanted some sense living your life and being in control of your own life. lewis: and making your own mistakes. as a parent, you say don't do that. i know what it's like, i've been there. i would say that to my cousins. don't do it. trust me, i've done it. it is good to a stage in your life. at some point, you have to learn yourself. charlie: how hard was it for him to take it? lewis: i cannot put into words how difficult it was for him or must have been for him. he did not take it well and he did not know how to take it. as i said, that bridged the gap between us that was like the grand canyon. he is a very proud man. charlie: this was his dream? we were both super stubborn. i'm not going to come to you and you're not going to come for me.

it would take a while. i am very much more a giving person so i didn't spend the s trying to spend a lot of time together. it was like rebuilding a house from the first brick. charlie: rebuilding a relationship? lewis: yes. charlie: did it affect your racing? lewis: absolutely. was theyou're that worst was 2011. i lost a lot of weight to stress. emotional. in this sport, you have to have a level head and have to be focused at all times. it is a long season from testing in february to the last race in november. staying on point the whole way without losing focus, i lost my way big time. i have no idea how to get it back. charlie: he must've looked at this and said, i'm not there. look at what is happening to him. lewis: absolutely.

charlie: see what happens when i am not there? you need me. lewis: on many occasions good let me help. i would say no. as difficult as it is, i have to go through this. if i don't find my way, i have know that the worse case scenario you are there for me. but i have got to go through this as horrible as it is. and i did. 2012, finally i got my head in gear. i had my best year since 2008. won the have championship but the car kept failing. and in 2013, i moved. i moved to mercedes. charlie: how did you finally get back together with him? where is it today? lewis: today? it is always lingering around us. the whole thing. i don't know if my dad ever got over the whole thing. he still wants to manage.

but last year, he came to six races. he was incredibly supportive. the first one was silverstone. i had a really difficult day in qualifying. i made a mistake. i stayed at the house. he gave me advice. he came to a few races after that. the last race of the year, we won the championship together. i got to go around and have dinner and relax. we have been spending christmas together. it is much better. charlie: not perfect, but much better. he said to me that it was so painful it told him i don't want you to come to the race at you one point. really needed to be your own man. you needed to fully live the life you wanted to lead. he was playing this dual role. not only but father, manager,

partner -- he was living his dream. his dream was your dream. lewis: absolutely. charlie: to be told i don't want you at the race i can't imagine. , lewis: i won't know what that feels like until i have kids but it was hard to tell him that. but whether it was right or wrong, i did it and the whole thing of standing on your own two feet. it had been a family business for years. it was me and we were a solid unit. no one could break us from the outside. we were the only black family there, no one could break us. we were good, a big strong family. charlie: tell me about being the only black family fare. obviously, my stepmom is white.

we are a mixed family. my dad is the darkest in the whole paddock. have you seen cool runnings? charlie: yes. lewis: cool runnings is my favorite movie. when they arrive on the scene to do the practice, the whole thing goes quiet. what are these people doing here? that is how it was with me and my dad. we would arrive. we didn't have a trailer or the equipment people had. we just have this bent car in the back of the boot. it was exactly like the movie. when they pull out the rugged old bobsled that is rusty, things falling off, that is how it was for us. it was funny. it was just funny.

people did not really want us there at the beginning. with the kids on the track, you are getting pushed off for no reason. charlie: your dad told me stories in go karts with people saying you're not supposed to win. lewis: i had parents come to me. other people's parents would say you don't belong here. go back to wherever you came from. parents would come up to me and say you just don't have it. ,as a kid, it was terrible. [laughter] as a kid, i was eight years old. i did not know what to say to that. say abouthat does it you that you survive all that and became world champion? lewis: i don't know. as human beings, we harness energy without noticing it

whether it is good or bad. i think i harnessed all those different experiences. at school when the teachers were negative and those parents, i just kept it bottled inside. i used it on the track. a kid would push me off the track and i would have aggression and want to push this guy over. kick him or something. he would say, do your talking on the track. don't say anything. do your talking on the track. that applied to everything. i would get on the track and drive the wheels off the car. he is to say i could drive a four poster bed. the first go kart was like that. it was terrible. repainted the whole thing and made it look brand-new. he put so much effort into it as

he did with everything. with remote control cars, he would sit there after work. he would take such pride in his work and putting my go kart together. he would spend hours in the shed. we were sleeping and he was welding. i don't know what came across him. i don't know what came over him, but he enjoyed it. he would spend the whole night. charlie: at that time, you needed his presence and protection. you needed him to be there. if he had not been there at that time it would have been even a , rougher road for you. lewis: definitely. and i needed him at the beginning when i got to formula one. i fell hard. my family was there. , familyday, still there is still there. it is different now. charlie: you have lived the kind of life you had missed being independent. lewis: most kids i was growing up with redoing the weekend

thing, bowling dating. every weekend i was racing go karts so i did not do that. i was around grown up sometime. charlie: you had relationships with women later in your life. lewis: i didn't have my first girlfriend until i was 18 and then i went into a long relationship. charlie: how would you describe it? you went right into a long relationship. you have not had a relationship at all until you are 18 or lewis: i was in that one for 19. four years and then fell head over heels for a another girl. after that relationship ended. i was in that one for nearly eight years. charlie: you saw the movie "rush ." you know him well. he has been there. he knows what it is like. he knows the pressure. he knows the distractions.

he knows everything there is to know. he was a world champion. at the same time he is very wary , of distraction, as you know. only to bewis thinking about the race. lewis: of course. charlie: he said that to me. i worry about him distracted. you heard that? lewis: yes, definitely. you have to imagine, for nicky it is a strange relationship we , have. we had not really met other than shaking each other's hand in 2010. i was driving for another team. he didn't have a great opinion of me. he did not know me. he did not really understand me. he didn't believe what i was doing was right in the decisions i was taking. charlie: this was during those years you weren't at your best? lewis: absolutely. charlie: he had reason to have

doubt heard you had won the world champion. lewis: and i was making mistakes. he came in 2012. we were on the phone together. he was like, we need you. charlie: mercedes needs you. lewis: he said we want you in the car. charlie: it was their idea? you were at mclaren and mercedes. they have not been doing well. some say mclaren was going down and mercedes was coming up. lewis: they have gone down. but we were doing well. we were getting stronger. it was very much a be steps. 2012 was our best year. switchedand then you to mercedes. lewis: that is when i met him. charlie: he is responsible for you coming to mercedes? lewis: partly. there are some comments saying

he is the only reason i came to the team. that is not entirely true. that was the first conversation. but it was russ. it was his baby at the time. he came and met me at my mom's house. 45 championships with michael. he came and sat in the kitchen and had a cup of tea. he showed me a proposal of where the team is and where they are going and the steps they are going to take to get there. i could've stayed at mcclaren, making good money, a good environment with my family. i had been there for years. nowhere else i really wanted to go. but if i really wanted to test myself as a driver, first i have to drive a different car for another team. mclaren has had world champion top drivers for years. i am not just another driver.

i want to go somewhere else to prove myself. i could stay for the short term for the championship in 2013 or i could go somewhere else and be part of their growth. michael was at ferrari. he went through a bad time with them. he helped them be successful. i wanted to have that. i wanted to get that experience . i started to go to mercedes. every single person said that was the worst thing you can do. career is over, worst decision. mclaren went down, we went up. and then we won the championship in the second year. charlie: and all the people who told you it was a bad decision said i told you so. lewis: exactly. [laughter] i knew it was a good decision. charlie: can you imagine -- when i say the word from raleigh, what does it mean to you? lewis: very elegant car, isn't

it? red. it is such an iconic brand. as a kid, i had ferrari toy cars. there is a bit of emotion for ferrari.r it is a beautiful car. i would definitely say for sadie's is running through my veins -- i would additionally say mercedes is running through my veins. it is in my d.n.a. charlie: is there any part of you that says at some point in my life, i would like to be racing the red? lewis: i was just looking. i like to see what they are doing and see if there is anything we can learn. i would look at other cars. if there is any other car i would look at and wonder how it feels, it is the ferrari.

how does it feel at the controls? i would wonder how different it felt. from then to now, a huge difference in how you have to drive the car. the rules are the same. it has a different characteristic. understanding that and being able to harness that and to extract its potential, that is the most challenging thing. moment i wondered if it , was worse. nothing is as good as i have now. charlie: but you wonder. lewis: if i were to finish my career, would i feel that i missed something not going to ferrari? i don't think i would. charlie: you had the thought? it is a beautiful team. lewis: i thought about driving the car. the passion for ferrari is

worldwide. it is a beautiful team. i feel i have that with mercedes. charlie: every car has a personality. mclaren has a personality. how would you define the difference in the personality of a car? lewis: that is a really hard question. charlie: but they are different and you can feel it. said you are at one with the car. lewis: you are strapped in. charlie: physically you are at one. lewis: it is like you are strapped to a rocket. how do you control this rocket? it is like a raging bull. dynamic.d, sexy, fast, it is so many things in one. it is exhilarating like you cannot believe.

when they are strapping you in, the seatbelt gets tighter and tighter. then you have to tighten them even more with the speed of the car. the speed you do is amazing. you have the biggest grin on your face. from car to car, it is different. you create a bond with the car because you have to trust it. you have to trust that the wheels will not fall off or it will not spin off and hit the wall. there is a bond that you create with the car that is indescribable. i love it. i would imagine it is a bit like the horse whisperer. you have seen the movies where they whisper to the horse. charlie: do you speak to your car? lewis: i do a little bit. come on, and, baby -- baby. lewis: we can make it. i trust you, respected, and love

you. if you give it back to me, we will do just fine. charlie: you begin to me and i will be good to you. what is it like to hit the wall? the journey towards it is kind of exciting. charlie: what makes it exciting? lewis: you lose control. charlie: you know it is going to happen any second. lewis: it is like a roller coaster ride. you don't have control of the ride. it is exhilarating. i've had big crashes. i've hit the wall at like 170 miles an hour. in a split second you can go from 170 to 0. the forces your body takes is unimaginable. charlie: do you have time to tighten up? lewis: sometimes you do, sometimes you don't.

usually when you don't, you pass out. there have been races where i have lost it and passed out before i hit the wall. ce you pull is crazy. there has been maybe once or twice where i'm going towards it and thinks this is going to hurt. i really have. i've hit the wall and knew it would hurt. charlie: do everything, i'm not going to make it? this may be it for me, lights out. you have never thought i could die here? lewis: no. i don't let that into my head. charlie: you don't let it in your head. lewis: since i was a kid, i don't have that fear factor. i don't know what it is. i don't have that. youlie: they told me when were in go karts, you were the

kid that had no fear. you would take any chance. lewis: still, today i do that. charlie: you are the most fearless driver on the track. lewis: i believe so. charlie: every race you are thinking i want to lead every lap. i want to have the fastest lap. does not happen often, but that is what you are thinking? lewis: yes. sometimes i start in the back and want to crush everyone, how smart everyone. it is not always just about being pole. charlie: you want to crush everyone. you want to show them who is the boss. having thetalk about confidence to be the best. you want them to know. every driver feels they are the best. even nascar drivers, they all believe they are the best just

as tennis players and football players. it is the same for you. you know you are the best. that is what powers you through. it is your competitors that no you are the best. charlie: you want them to know. lewis: in the back of their minds, maybe a little bit better. that is what you want to leave them with. ♪

♪ charlie: why do you think you

are as good as you are? why do you think you are the best? lewis: i think i was blessed with a gift from a higher power that has enabled me. it is not just a gift and we have been given it for sure. it was a gifting opportunity that if we worked hard enough to build, there was no limit to how high we could build that structure, whatever you want to call it. my dad pushed and pushed as a kid. and still today, i push and push. it does not matter if it is driving or whatever it is i'm no somehow i have this focus that i don't know where it comes from. ♪ >> think he appreciates everyone

and everything that has helped him to get to where he is. is an emotional thing with a formula one race whether it is your first or last race. that comes out in every race he wins. i think ultimately he has a great heart. what he likes to say is, it's not just about me, it is about my dad and the family. charlie: what did the dad do? >> at the time, i thought i was a normal parent. they tell me i was not normal. as him to make sure he succeeded in the sport. so much so it kind of changed our lives when he said i think your son has got something special. when that happened, your whole life stops. you have to reevaluate how you approach that life.

charlie: you had seen a long time ago he had something special. >> i thought when he was five years of age. charlie: what did you see? steelye was a determination in his eyes. when he was five, he had a remote control car. i had bought the car. he was forever wanting to do different things. it turned out he was extremely good at driving this little car up and down the highway. the next best thing to keep him busy would be to take him to a remote controlled car club. that happened every weekend. he and i and my wife would prepare every weekend to go remote control car racing. back then, it did not seem like much but it was a catalyst to getting into go karting. charlie: is there something you can point to when he operated

that remote? >> absolutely. it was the hand eye coordination. in this club, there were about 50 people. most of them were 50. there were only two kids. lewis was the youngest. the next oldest was a teenager. everyone was up here and he was down there. he was able to drive his car backwards and forwards. tight turns, what ever. i just thought this kid has something extremely special. charlie: did he have a competitive instinct? ewis is the sort of guy that will try everything once, but he is normally good at everything. this idea of having hand eye coordination and athletic ability and having some x factor, some competitive desire to win it all. >> it is quite interesting.

people say to me he has great natural talent. i believe everybody has natural talent. i think it depends how you develop that talent. i use the analogy that we could all be brain surgeons, it is all just how bad you want to be a brain surgeon. do you want to be a brain surgeon or the best? lewis wants to be the best. from the time he said he wanted to be a formula one racing driver, he was six or seven. that is all he ever said until he got there. sometimes you say to children, would you like to be a doctor or policeman? it was always i want to be a formula one racing driver. he said that from such a young age. that is why when we got the opportunity to be in go karting, i said i will do everything in

my power to make sure you have the opportunity to race to the best of your abilities. the trade-off was i will work several jobs you have to work hard. that was the trade-off. charlie: did he accept the trade-off? >> he did. he was never going to be a brain surgeon. his skills were more mechanical. he did. he went to school, worked hard. he's to get up in the morning and have private tuition because he did so much racing he would miss critical lessons. charlie: what sacrifices did you and the family may? >> the whole thing changed our lives because when you have someone as precocious as lewis, everybody has to come around him and look up at the one individual to make sure they maximize their opportunities. it was clear that he had something special. i used to work on british rail. it was a fairly big company. i started off at the bottom. i worked my way up to become a

manager on the railway. for where we lived and came from, it was a most like coming from the bronx and working your way out. at that time, i was in this really good job. but it was not good enough because racing was extremely expensive. it still is. we couldn't afford it at that time. to supplement his racing i did , various jobs. charlie: what did it cost for him to race? you had to buy a go kart. >> it is not so much the initial outlay. it is all the traveling. read asancillary costs i used toexample, earn about $30,000 worth of income back then.

probablyrts, it was $60,000. charlie: you had to work extra jobs. >> i had to work extra jobs. i did three or four extra jobs. charlie: to support your son. >> and pay the mortgage and look after my wife and son. it was money i did not have. most families have an average income and you know what disposable cash you have. with motor racing, it is one of those things where you can lose your livelihood or you can be sensible and do something different. charlie: take me to the go cart track. there he is. was he different from every other kid in a go kart? was he better, faster, quicker? >> it was he and we. ewis, myself, and my wife, the family.

we were determined. a huge amount of natural ability when he got into the go kart. i think that was all based on his sheer excitement and determination in whatever he put his hand to. literally from five years of age with remote-controlled car, he always wanted to lead. there is a way you can manage young talent like that just by giving them simple things. charlie: that is why he was different, he had both the talent and will to win. >> absolutely. that was quite interesting. said as aanalogy and asent, we want you to be best educated as you can. because i know you like racing so much, i will hold you to getting your education. i will do the rest. i will do whatever it takes. i got whatever jobs i needed to make sure he had similar if not

the same equipment as others. charlie: you would not be where he is without you and your family having made that sacrifice. >> absolutely not. i would not be where i am now if not for his ability as well. charlie: what do you mean by that? >> it has been quite interesting because it has been a success for the family. i suppose when you take on board the responsibility of looking s who somebody like lewi was associated with mclaren, your life has to change. it is like a man from the lottery saying you have the golden ticket but you cannot have it for 10 years. what do you do for 10 years? we did not want to blow his opportunity. it was a 10-year opportunity with mclaren. the opportunity fortunately came. eight or nine years later.

you have to try and manage the process by making sure not just the talented individual achieves the objectives, but the whole family. ♪

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