♪ announcer: from our studios in new york, this is "charlie rose." gloria steinem is here. she is a feminist icon and or inspirationn in -- to men and women. she has led a life of adventure. her new book, 'my life on the championingts on women's rights. she received the presidential medal of freedom. i am pleased to have her back. gloria: thank you so much. charlie: is there any award you

have not received? tons, i'm sure. it depends on the president you get it from. [laughter] charlie: you might not have gotten it from another president. gloria: henry hyde who has damaged more women's lives than any other. with the hyde amendment. he was given a medal of freedom. -- to mea lot for me because it came from president obama. charlie: how do you think he's doing? have such respect and empathy for him. he is dealing with an ultra-right-wing that if they had cancer and he had the cure, they would not accept it. charlie: that is a nice turn of phrase. gloria: i believe that. that it isis so huge

not the majority of the country at all. it is may be 20% tops. it has a lot of influence. he isre him because always trying to talk and reach out. some people would say too much but that is the kind of thing he does. some people say he did not use the office in that way of reaching out enough. gloria: that has to do with the social criticism. charlie: exactly. thatays off the notion ronald reagan and tip o'neill would do battle all day and then have a scotch trying to talk about the world. gloria: they did? charlie: oh yes, that's true. gloria: i can imagine to bone meal doing that but not ronald

reagan. -- i can imagine to go neil --charlie: reagan has some interesting traits. he wrote a lot. all of thosete speeches. they were not written by someone else. give him some pride of authorship. gloria: you have resurrected an ancient memory. [laughter] me in parisn called . charlie: as president? gloria: as president. it turned out to be true. calls that should not have been made by secretary. he was making them himself to do television ads about products

from the space program that were .mportant on their own he was asking me to do one with charlton heston. that would have been hard for you. i did do it. i call jesse jackson and asked what should i do? ronald reagan reached out to gloria steinem. howia: i tried to tell him unlikely it was that i was doing this. he was telling me about this fellow who made western movies. it was a surrealistic experience. charlie: how long did the conversation last? for five minutes? gloria: yes, it was a minor thing. the people in control were doing policy and he was making trivial phone calls.

you are an important person. secondly, you seem to say the purpose was legitimate. it --: it was legitimate but it was extremely minor. charlie: let me talk about foreign policy. give me your thoughts on where we are. consideringre still foreign policy on a silo. various other movements in silence. what we are not recognizing is that in another book called sex biggestd peace, the indicator of whether the country will be violent inside it else

-- itself or whether it will use military violence is actually not poverty or access to natural resources or religion. it is violence against females. that is demonstrated. the larger the level of violence against e-mails, the more likely the country is gloria: to be violent. which we call them patriarchal. in which reproduction must be controlled and and is often doubly controlled in order to maintain a particular religion, they control the bodies of women. that means in our earliest years

we see a system where it is assumed one dominates the other. violence and it otherizes violence in cases. it is the root cause of violence. we have always known that in smaller, older societies. roles leastnder polarized? gloria: in older societies. charlie: there is less gender conflict in the oldest societies? gloria: yes, their languages do not even have he and she. gender pronouns. people are people. charlie: can you give me those countries? american, thetive

cherokee for instance. their language does not have he and she. or a word for nature. cultures innal which reproduction was naturally , there werey women gender assigned tasks. women might be in control of agriculture but they were regarded as equal. we did not start with division. .e saw other people the paradigm was a circle not a pyramid. we saw human beings as linked. charlie: if you had to make one last each -- speech and the

comve, --s far ande look how far we have to go, what would you say? gloria: as to the first question, i would say we are not crazy. this is big. [laughter] go, i how far we have to would say we have a long way to go. we need to stop dividing each other by label. charlie: do you mean in the culture generally? gloria: generally. you and i share more as human than separating us by sex or gender. way more. much on theses so

adjectives that are used to divide us by gender or by race or by class? it is all about controlling reproduction in order to create and control and continue hierarchical systems. charlie: it is to continue the hierarchical system. gloria: yes. from this wonderful ,ook, exterminate all the roots which is the line from heart of darkness. it translates the roots. of racialidea separatism. where did that come from? historians would go crazy from a overgeneralization

but it comes from the institution of patriarchal systems in europe. it caused overpopulation and people to invade others'lands. in order to justify that, you had to say these people are inferior. you are almost doing them a favor. charlie: they can't govern themselves. there was all kinds of craziness that proved racial inferiority. we have to undo that and it is because as the old cultures will tell us, it takes for generations to heal one act of violence. -- four for generations generations to heal one act of violence? you are way less likely

to do it capriciously if you if you will normalize it in one generation, you grow up. -- human beings have a long history of dependency. 80% of our brains develop outside the mother's body in culture. the good news is we are adaptable. the bad news is we are adaptable. we can come to believe that race andeal, that gender is real that hierarchy is real. that there are real divisions? there is a long way to go. at least we have a vision of it and we understand that the way we are currently organized only accounts for 5% of human history. it is not inevitable. charlie: where is the cutting edge of change?

gloria: hopefully at this table. [laughter] charlie: we try mightily. gloria: it is a roundtable, it is a step forward. charlie: no squares are allowed. [laughter] i'm serious. where is the cutting edge of change? what we areepends actually looking at. some people would say the web because it is a democratic that skips over the divisions we are accustomed to. we have to be cautious about the web because it is also divisive because of how many people are literate and have electricity. it is polarizing. knowledge torings

an extraordinary number of people. gloria: it is not that it is not great but we have to understand its limitations. gloria:in addition to the fact t leaves out millions of people. not allow us to emphasize with each other. we can get information from it and we can find each other but to empathize you need to be present with all five senses. i asked my friendly neurologist. charlie: your neurologist or neuroscientist? gloria: both. , the herb oxytocin that allows use to an bias.

charlie: it allows us to empathize and you feel? for instance, when we witha child we are flooded oxytocin. it requires us to be present with all five senses. as much as i love books. charlie: you are in favor of this. gloria: you don't get it on the screen. this is my dream. charlie: i want to know. gloria: we should have a right away with radio programs in every language that can be heard by someone on the ground with a windup radio. you don't need electricity.

you still need to be literate. be even more democratic means of communications. just one of my many dreams. [laughter] charlie: you've come to the right place to share your dreams. gloria: here's another one. all of the people talking about climate change and global warming for which i'm very grateful. charlie: most of them are in paris. they would remember the pressure of unwanted population ofthe first route -- root climate change. people and the old days would talk about population control. overpopulation.

pre-the women's movement who would talk about population control unfortunately talked about it in a racist way that focused on other countries and made of racial assumptions. that has given it a third rail aspect. now we don't talk about the fact that there are 8000 more people on earth every minute or so. that there are hundreds of millions of women to be able to limit births but are suppressed by religion and culture and with herbs.ou -- impressed withou what mark zuckerberg has done

taking time off for paternity leave? gloria: yes, that's great. charlie: as for broke as he is to so many people. the god of technology. it is great because how men get to be whole people is to raise children. whole people. the qualities that are wrongly attentioninist like to detail and flexibility. that is what you need to raise kids. men who are not raised in that masculine be hyper and some of them because of the crime we have just seen in california, some of them create supremacy crimes.

they have no gain. they are not going to gain money when they are domestically violent. they are not going to gain something when they are racist cops. they are not going to gain something when they shoot strangers. charlie: it is not add anything to their value. gloria: no, nothing. and a lot of states of domestic abuse, they may kill their family and kill themselves. they are not getting anything out of it but they have become addicted to control. they are addicted to saying powerfully, i can kill you. this is the ultimate proof of my control. we should call them supremacy crimes. charlie: i have control of your life. gloria: yes. that is hyper masculinity. they were born into this culture. thinge: the interesting

is today in san bernardino, we have begun to see couples. up to now in this country at least, the people who crazed crimes have now and male up to white and not poor. who are exactly the people most likely to get hooked on the drug of control. that they are not real man, they are not real people. charlie: back to nurturing and what it does for a male. do you regret not having children? gloria: no, not for a

millisecond. i was raised to have children. so i am glad for that. charlie: how do i frame this question? no, i understand. as a friend of mine once said, there is no more reason why anybody with a womb should have children. then why anyone with vocal cords should be an opera singer. it is a gift. we nurture in different ways. that possible in my case because my mother and i were reversed and our roles, i was looking after her as a young person. sometimes i was the parent and she was a child. feel i dids why i

that. i have no idea, i am really not sure. i just know i'm happy. realize,sudden you it's not about you. gloria: you are raised for self-sacrifice. movie doy to me, what i want to go to? i would say, i don't know what movie do you want to go to? [laughter] gloria: i try not to. charlie: isn't that empathy? empathy is to say, i'm interested in what you want to go to. isria: to feel you shouldn't unfeminine to voice your opinion. was written by very smart guy. women need to reverse it. we need to treat ourselves as well. charlie: aren't we doing better

in that? gloria: now we can say it. we know we are not crazy. charlie: why did it take you 18 years to write this? gloria: i was doing it every summer and then going back on the road. [laughter] long and twooo wonderful friends of mine with amy richards took machetes and cut us down. was 1000 pages and they cut it down. gloria: in these days thanks to the web you can put it out there. charlie: that's what you did? gloria: no, not yet. charlie: look at this. gloria: that is a very difficult paper. [laughter] charlie: i am going to read it.

this book is dedicated to dr. john sharp of london who in 1957 could legally for -- perform an abortion for any reason and took the considerable risk of at 22-year-old american on her way to india knowing only she is broken and engagement at home. you must promise me two things. first, you will not tell anyone my name and you will do what you want to do with your life. this is powerful. dear dr. sharp, i believe you. you knew the law was unjust. so long after your death, i've done the best i could. gloria: with my life. this book is for you. charlie: this book is for you. good for you. gloria: i am glad her every day

that a dedicated it that way. charlie: nice to have you here. gloria: thank you. charlie: gloria steinem. the book is called 'my life on the road'. ♪

.harlie: carol burnett is here her comedy has inspired generations of comedians for over 60 years. she has received many awards

including the kennedy center honors, the mark twain prize and the presidential medal of freedom. show: the losttt episodes is a new dvd box set. classica look at some moments. i am leaving this house and i am not coming back until the end of the football season! [laughter] in case you missed it, here is the instant replay. house and i'mhis not coming back until the end of the football season!

[applause] i wonder how grandfather is doing. gramps, how are you feeling? just as i thought. clinical falls, general hospital. yes i'll hold. this is marion, can you come right over? grandfather is very sick. thank you. would you pick up my black dress at the cleaners? bye-bye. at last. [laughter] thank you.

[laughter] charlie: so there we are, these lost episodes. why were they lost? years wee first five were going to go into syndication and we could not use the first five years. there was some legal stuff going

on. years.ased the last six 6-11. it has now all been cleared up. here they are. charlie: we have them in a dvd box. carol: they have not been seen since they first aired. people love them so much? carol: funny is funny. anyone to look at that sketch and not laugh. what we had were belly laughs. that is what we aim for. there is no political stuff in it. it is not dated. purpose, did that on not that we thought we would go into syndication. brotherse the smothers

and other shows. i'm a clown. i was a clown on that show. i just liked the idea of the belly laugh. you have timedid to create it? doing sketches and different characters, i absolutely love doing it. i had signed a 10 year contract with cbs as i was leaving the gary moore show. there was a copy on were the first five years. something that might brilliant lawyer came up with that said within the first five years of the 10 year contract, if i wanted to push that button, they would have to put us on the air

on friday shows. 30 one hours. carol: if they didn't take us up, they would have to pay us another way. they of course took the chance to put us on. they have forgotten because they didn't think i wanted to do it. andver thought that i would when the five years was almost up, there was one week to go. a husband and i had just put down payment on a house. demand asquite as in i had been five years earlier. children. maybe we have to push that button.

i called cbs in new york and got one of the vice presidents. merry christmas. they were calling to push that button. it was right over there. they said oh yeah, let me get back to you. i said this before. they got a lot of lawyers out of christmas parties and he called back the next day saying yes, i see that carol. friday is a man's game. it is jackie gleason and now dean martin. it is not for the gals.

then he said, we have this great sitcoms that we love you to do. it's called here's agnes. can you picture that? [laughter] don't want to be the same person week after week. i want to be different characters. guest stars and costumes and dancing. a true comedy variety. they had to put us on the air. charlie: was it a hit from day one? carol: it was successful. they put us on a monday night first. it is expected. we got renewed.

they got the idea that they would move us to wednesday night. we felt like we were a 10:00 show and it just wasn't our thing. we did not do well in that timeslot. then mr. paley moved us to the wonderful saturday night lineup where it was all in the family with mary tyler moore and bob newhart and us. everyone thrived. mash was an hour. all the others were sitcoms and we were of variety show. timlie: why did you pick and nicky and harvey? carol: i was smart.

we were putting together a company and we had seen him on the danny kaye show. he is like carl reiner was. i was gleason there. danny was going off the air the same time we were going on the air. they kept saying we need harvey corman. why don't we get the harvey corman. i the same time we were going on the air. practically attacked him at the parking lot. his agent but i jumped him. i said you have to be on our show. charlie: why comedy? were you always funny? i don't know, i had a sense of humor but i didn't really explore day in school or

anything. i was kind of a nerd and quiet. i wanted to be a journalist. write and so when i got to ucla i wanted to major in journalism but there was no school of journalism. i could take a course and joined the daily bruins. i looked at the catalogs and it said theater arts where are could take theater classes and still join the daily bruin. i didn't realize when you majored in theater arts english as a freshman you had to take acting and lighting and sound and costume. i have taken acting course. i was terrified. seen with a fellow

student and they laughed. charlie: you knew you could make there was a? carol: good feeling. to me andrs came up said wow, you're funny. do you want to have lunch with us? charlie: take a look at this. carols a sketch piece of being visited in her cell by a priest. ♪ o father, i am so glad you've come. i needed you. is growing short, we only have a few more minutes. i want to give you some words of comfort. carol: i'm not afraid. fry and the electric

chair? [laughter] thank you for those words of comfort. >> is there something you'd like to tell me? carol: it's my secret and i will carry it with me. >> to your grave? well, you can tell me my child. i heard confessions of all kinds. carol: minus to praise. --mine is depraved. >> those are the best kinds. [laughter] a take ont was mathematics. dam z.

the postman always rings twice. 10-13 minutes. everything is one minute or two minutes long. are people going to say and watch it. aren't they trying to bring back a variety show? neil patrick harris. he has the talent. it is all in the writing. he could do it. they couldn't do what we did because of the cost. we had 12 dancers. we had two guest stars. that can't be done today. ♪

charlie: peggy noonan is here and the author of nine books on politics in american culture. her new book is called 'the time of our lives', a collection of writing from her time at the white house. i am pleased to welcome mike colleague from cbs back to this table. peggy: thank you, charlie. what do we have here?

by that title? peggy: it is derived from an observation that we have to acknowledge each day we are living. big.re a part of something you have to be part of it. charlie: have you put something together like this. or is itok at themes divided chronologically? peggy: this is what i decided to do. the things iollect have written over 30 years. i used to write radio news for charlie osgood and the edwards. -- doug edwards. inad all of my work warehouses. i got it all together. i started going through everything i had written and i

found it developed naturally. is the different when you are writing for ronald reagan? you are writing in his voice. now you are writing for your voice. peggy: yes. with my essays and own , it comes out of your heads and hearts and you sound like yourself coast you are yourself. it is a crucial ingredient. peggy: the wonderful columnist told me, did you have trouble finding your voice? i worried after working for reagan that i would have trouble

getting it back to my own sound. myn i immediately wrote first book after working for reagan. i inescapably sound like me. to the extent that i have a voice, it is just my voice. charlie: who edits you? peggy: a man named james toronto. charlie: what does he at? with the gimlet eye on my writing. charlie: it's content and style? peggy: it's primarily factual content. he is very much the personcharlt will say it did not happen in the spring of 2012. he looks out for me. you can make mistakes of judgment that to you seem an honest point of view and james will sometimes say, really?

surejames saying are you will make me? someone i've never seen that doesn't need a good editor. peggy: you won't have as much fun. charlie: let's talk about this column for the new york times. yes, a speechwriter for richard nixon. charlie: what did you learn from him? peggy: he was wonderful. when i went to washington in 1984, he took me under his wing. person.n advice he took me under his shoulder. day andd me up one after a worked in the reagan white house, he had me write 2000,pieces and then in

picks up the phone and calls me up saying, there is this new thing called the internet, the journal is going to have internet columns. very lightheartedly i said yes. me x dollars a month and i said could we add 10% to that? i feel like i drove a hard bargain. we shook hands over the phone. they are right. charlie: who is changing? peggy: she is mike crapo and. -- my great aunt. of timea great deal with her in the summers at a very quiet and lonely little home. i learned much about life.

if i read all of your columns, what would i know about peggy noonan? i know she's a good writer. i know she's passionate about politics. peggy: i love politics. i came to terms with that. politics. i saw my own love for the greatness over 30 years. you know i am a christian of the catholic variety and you probably know i am a woman living in new york. you would know i am a conservative. charlie: what kind of conservative are you? peggy: that is the subject of a column coming up. it is also an emerging question in this political debate that the republicans are

having. peggy: let me jump. something huge and fundamental is happening on the republicans died of politics. in 1976, ronald reagan went up asking willld ford the republican party be conservative? .980's landslide it answered the question. the modern republican party will be conservative. this year, i think we are answering the question what does what conservatism mean does it mean in the 21st century. conservatives have been having of brawl about it. do you see it as a

responsibility? peggy: no, it is in part my responsibility or my joy to share my thoughts about this or where it should be going but i do not feel any pressure of being a guy. -- guide. charlie: because of mary buckley andd bill barry goldwater, reagan was called a neoconservative. does that still exist? peggy: even that is a bit fractured. the unlucky-lucky things about conservatism in america is that there were so few of them. taxes lower, regulations lower.

yeah, you got it. in thegotten complicated george w. bush era when things started to fall apart. why did they start to fall apart? there was a great argument in the party about the wars. power saying he wanted to be a compassionate conservatives -- conservative. is a conservative? peggy: that is a wonderful question. it should be, it can be. it is not always look that way. conservatives can be pretty crappy folks especially when they devote -- debate what conservatism is. thatve a party right now can save the conservative way to look at entitlement spending is we made a deal with the people and you keep your deals. they have a moral right to to everything about

those programs. another conservative said that kids will carry the burden of our spending. it is uncompassionate to them to make them carry the load. all of these things are going to have to be adjudicated in this election cycle. huge issue.is a it is now not going away. charlie: do you love writing? the idea of being able to. in the famous words of john kennedy, i am paraphrasing loosely. he took the english language and to go to war. peggy: center dot to fight for us.

suchdea of how words has power and enhance if they are in inspiring and precise way. i never considered being anything but a writer. for a while i wanted to be an actress. , but ad to be a nun non-writer. a writer was always just what i was. which is howding you come to love writing. you love reading. charlie: did mitt romney disappoint you greatly? peggy: you were there for him.

i was trying to be supportive of the conservative candidate. i cannot say he disappointed me because he did not strike me as a great political talent. when he lostought -- we lost in 2012, we need some kind of political genius going on to succeed. that was not a political genius. that was a man who is great at life. great valueh the and the right families. peggy: yeah, a great man. charlie: you think of ronald reagan and bill clinton? who has it in the field on the republican side? gifts areay large

seen in retrospect. i can't tell you at the moment. charlie: you can see emerging talent? marco rubio has sheer political talent. ♪

>> i'm mark halperin. >> i'm john heilemann. and with all due respect to those who think hillary clinton's coughing fits are respective of her health -- [coughing] the seventh inning stretch is over and today marks the first day of the final innings of the presidential race. the concession stands are closing and in nine weeks, we will have a winner and a different kind of concession speech. pray this thing doesn't go into extras because there are polls that show the contest has tightened. before we get to that, hillary clinton and donald trump are