♪ announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." foreign policy. you have been to north korea. they now have our increasingly look like they will have the capacity to deliver nuclear warheads on internet -- intercontinental warheads that can meet the united states. can we allow that to happen, or can secretary clinton allow that to happen? bill clinton: i want her to speak for herself. i worked very hard to avert this when i was president. secretary,er defense bill perry and john, used to be

the chairman joint chiefs of staff, has since passed away. they went there and said, no, this can't happen. we work very hard to avoid, with some success. i think for right now, hillary has suggested, and what the president has supported, we need to toughen the sanctions and increase the things that are covered and try to get to the support of russia and china and japan to do that. charlie: but they have not done that yet. not nearly as much as they can? bill clinton: they can do a lot more. north korea, it is a funny country. they are good at making missiles and bombs, and they can't bring in a rice crop because of the typography. charlie: they think having the

bomb gives them more power than making rice. bill clinton: they believe that you and the news media and those of us in the political world, ,ll over the world, all of us we never think about them unless they misbehaved. that is what they think. can survivew they -- can't survive without infusions of cash. think, and they may bee -- this one man, he may more relevant than his father and grandfather. charlie: he killed off some of his father's generals. bill clinton: so i think those who are more current with what is going on are better than i am -- charlie: my question is, is it unacceptable for them to have a nuclear warhead that can reach

the united states, and if they are close to it, we should take it out? bill clinton: now you are asking , as ago to a place that former president, i should not go to. it is just not appropriate. i don't know what the intelligence is. charlie: in my waning moments -- bill clinton: it is important. it should be discussed at these debates. i think president obama should have a chance to talk about this extensively. but anything i say on this to be used to complicate the debate and not increase american security, i don't want to do that. i know what i did. and i don't have enough diligence to know what i would say if i -- intelligence to know what i would say if i knew it. charlie: everybody wants this question. if your wife was president and you have been asked it a thousand times, but help me understand a bigger and better answer, what might you do?

would you be an envoy to the middle east where you had the closest, most people believe, we have come to peace because of yourtrenchant with -- relationship with them? that could be a public role or private world. -- role. take me further than you have been anywhere else. bill clinton: let's start on a lighter note. there was a great article the other day with a magazine saying that i should really be a first lady. that i needed to help accomplish the full transracial and of the gender -- full transformation of the gender role. they pointed out 19th-century widowers, and i can start by doing that. i would be happy to do it, but i would recommend we stick with what we have got and save the money. charlie: it started with nancy reagan, i remember. bill clinton: something, we had

to replace something. but i think first and foremost, i should be whatever i am asked to do. bothllary wins, i would be the former president and the spouse. think i should make those as consistent as possible by saying to the president and the senior advisers, whatever you want me to do, i will do. i should do that. i should serve. i had a wonderful life in the last 15 years. the foundation has done wonderful. it has saved millions of lives and created lord knows how many jobs, and i have loved it. so this is a new challenge for me. it will be a new role. it is very important that my wishes be the last thing to be

considered here. charlie: but your talent should be the first thing. bill clinton: and the needs of the country. so there are lots of things i could do. charlie: like? bill clinton: i would like to be a senator. i was feel left out and left behind. i believe this country is so close to really being able to grow again that benefits everybody. the things we need to do our affordable, achievable and fairly straightforward. i think they are threatened by clinical gridlock at home and trouble around the world, trouble in terms of slow growth, trouble in terms of turmoil. fori have been in the weeds 15 years. how do you have to do this stuff? i am not as good as i used to be. i don't have the 15 second answer anymore. me -- sent med to

to puerto rico to figure out how to work their way out of bankruptcy, i could do that. if you send me to any country and figure out how they can withsify their economy getting affordable broadband, i can do that. if you send me to coal country and try to use the new market tax credit to give them a whole other economy, i could do that. i would be good at that, i think. charlie: suppose she wants to send you to make sure you win the election. can you do that? bill clinton: i don't know. i am not mad enough that anybody. i really have learned that we waste so much of our lives with outbursts of anger. i know it puts you in a terrible position, because it spikes ratings. not you, personally. the media.

the economic pressure on media outlets today. and we live in a time of discontent. people want to believe the worst. but i think, i still think answers work better than anger. and parliament works better than, you know, division. and responsibility -- that is what i think. it is simple, straightforward. that is what i believe. so if she wins, i will do whatever i am asked to do. in terms of foreign policy, the middle east or anywhere else, that really depends upon not only the president, but the players. you know, the united states peace ino affect apea other countries can only do it if the players are convinced the bull -- convincable.

i was blessed. least supported this. charlie: and king hossain. how is your health? people look at you, and they worry about you. you have lost weight. they say he is a vegan. can you assure people that you feel good, you are in good health? any questions about your health? bill clinton: not to my knowledge, and i just had a physical not very long ago, and i class -- past with flying colors. not much i can do about it. my great-grandfather lived to be 76. and i have lots of medical advantages over him, the state of health care and treatment and so forth. i feel great. every day, i feel great. i just get out to hit it. charlie: get up and hit it. bill clinton: i do the best i

can. let me say one other thing, this is about politics and my foundation too. i worry that so many of older may be worry about too much of these cultural changes. , unless someone for thing occurs, have more yesterdays then tomorrow's. to try to open up to the future to be better than, you should embrace change. so what i try to do is cultivate thatmiddle state every day i should be grateful for every day and make the most of it. that is not me just being clever with you, saying i will do whatever i am asked to do. i had the presidency. i made the decisions.

i tried, in so far as i could, impose my will and corroborate with other people. , justw, 10, 15 years trying to help people have better lives. send me into a place, i will figure out how to make the best of it. but i learned that from hillary. they can most of it, figure out how you can get people together, agree and go make something good happen. we definitely need to get back to that. i realize how hard it is in , whichment of discontent is legitimate because of the economic troubles. and understandable because of all of the social upheaval. but we have got to get back to that. we have got to be builders. we have got to get into the future business again. so yeah, i think my health is good. about a lot of people we know will still

working in their 90's, that is because they are thinking about tomorrow, not yesterday. charlie: an inspiration. bill clinton: you and i know people working in their 90's. the happier you are, the more you work, the more likely you are to live long, and when your time runs out, the more likely you are to be gracious in seating the stage. -- ceeding the stage. charlie: thank you for your time. bill clinton: thank you. ♪

♪ charlie: stan wawrinka is here. he is the 2016 u.s. open champion. he came back against novak djokovic. here is a look at matchpoint. [applause] he has won each of the four grand slam events except wimbledon. he is considered to be among the game's elite competitors known as the big four, roger federer, i failed at all, and -- rafael nadal, and as i mentioned, djokoveic. you did not even play in a grand slam until you were 28? stan: i did not make semifinals

until -- charlie: until you were 28. now you are 31 and your three of the four. stan: it is crazy for sure. it took me time to be at my best game. ,ince three years now, i am every time i step on the court, does not matter who is in front of me, i can beat him. charlie: you are not intimidated before. stan: i was ready for the fight. i was ready for the match. i was hitting grand slam. you have to win three sets. it is always tough to go there, but i was playing well all the tournament. i knew i was playing really well the morning of the final, and i would find a way to win it. charlie: can you be number one? stan: no. [laughter] slams, but 13 grand i am not -- won three grand

slams, but i am not consistent in the year. making the final or waking -- making every tournament and that is playing. i can play amazing, but i am not playing well enough in the year. charlie: but that is ahead thing is in it -- a head thing isn't it? tennis you it is play week after week, that is why [indiscernible] because they have been winning in the final every single tournament, week after week. charlie: i will rephrase the question. in the grand slam event, are you the best in the world? stan: no. [laughter] stan: but it is reality. the 1-1, i won one, djokovic also made one.

with the trophy, something amazing for me. i will try to win as much as i can. matches or tournaments. we will see when i start playing. charlie: but you are looking for wimbledon next year, the great? stan: for sure. and three other grand slams, for sure. i have been trying to. charlie: for people like me that still have a one hand back hand, we love you. why did you never convert? basically -- charlie: i know. stan: i changed when i was 11 because it wasn't great. it wasn't feeling good in the beginning. when you are done, it starts to go for one. after a while, it was easy and normal. charlie: roger is your hero? stan: of course. the hero for a lot of the

people. charlie: especially tennis players. stan: we are really close friends. we won every cop together, olympic, we share so many good memories together. charlie: how has he influenced your game? stan: he held when i first arrived on the tour, i was young. it was a chance for me to share some talk about other player, the likelihood to practice with the best player ever. .t makes you improve so for sure, he helped me a lot. between now and the australian open, what will you do with your game to try to make it better? stan: i will keep working out every day. charlie: mentally or --? stan: physically, yeah. for now, winning grand slams is

something amazing i need to enjoy a little bit and keep going. charlie: are you in better physical shape than you have ever been? stan: yeah. charlie: you say, my pressings from before the finals, if it goes long, that goes to my benefit. stan: that is most of the time what is happening in grand slam. charlie: so you are ready to go to five sets? stan: yes, normally i am. that is what happened. i was the stronger player physically on the court. i am really happy with that. i know i can play with that. charlie: five minutes before last night's match, you broke down in tears when speaking to your coach. stan: i was a little bit nervous. charlie: just nervous? stan: yes. charlie: it wasn't emotion about what you had done and what you might do? stan: i was feeling nervous from the morning i woke up.

i wasn't feeling ready, and i was stressed for the final. charlie: how does stress effect you? stan: when is like that most of the time, i can get through this . when i arrive on the courts, i focused on what i'm going to do, focused on my game on the match. there is nothing else, only the match point after point in my game. charlie: how do you get up or breakpoints? do you treat them differently? stan: my break point or to save them? [laughter] charlie: your break point. if the break point, if you are taking the serve in a break point -- do you say to yourself, if people say here, i am going forward? stan: depends on the match, but sometimes yeah, you tell getself, ok, my plan is to up to that point. that is when i can really cross the ball.

charlie: what if it is a break point against you? stan: the same. i am even more tougher on myself not to give a free run, not to give up all, to make him win the point. if you play better than you -- if you play better than you, that is ok. but china to make it frequent. -- try not to make it frequent. charlie: is your second serve straighter than your first? [laughter] stan: it has been good for my game. that is one of the reasons why i can re-serve. charlie: how did you get to that point? , it is because i can mix the speed of. the speed, i can mix the target also. always changing. my opponent, he doesn't know where it is coming, so he can't always attack. charlie: you practice like that. a lot. stan: i try to.

he is a good practice friend. charlie: what is a practice like between you? stan: most of the time -- charlie: is it laughing, having fun, let's try this? stan: it is tough, we push each other in practice. every time we practice, we finished the practice, we are already happy with what we have done. we push each other to improve. of hours.hour, three charlie: what brought you to tennis? stan: i was eight years old. we had a tennis club next to the house with my brother. we just saw tennis like soccer or anything else. but i enjoy it, so i enjoy the game. most of the time you are alone on the court. you need to find a solution. charlie: what is the

[indiscernible] stan: it has been big. [laughter] have? : what does he could he have done that with anybody else but you? after all, this is the guy you break down and cry with? stan: for sure, he has something special because he also bring in the award. he left as a player, he find always the way to make a player more brilliant. i have happy to work with him. charlie: you come together, you could feel it coming together. the game is sharper, the serve was better. the second serve, all of that. you can feel it. stan: i feel it during tournament, yeah. that was what happened at the u.s. open win everything, all of the pieces of the puzzle are together. i know i can make the tournament. charlie: confidence is a big thing. , go outg time to come

quickly. it is never easy to end up confident. charlie: your record against djokovic is now five versus 19. stan: that is ok. but is ok. i play him many times. he is the number one player in the world, but i am happy to be him the three times, and win the grand slam charlie:. charlie:you must feel good. at 31, you probably will complete, have a good shot next year. stan: i am far away from that, but i feel happy with where i am right now. charlie: any [indiscernible] my game takes time to adapt to the grass. the grass is different. faster, tougher for my game. i need to normally a bit more time to put my game together. we will see that. i am making quarterfinals, so we will see. charlie: a lot of grass in

preparation? now this season, one week longer. i am practicing two weeks. charlie: how does it feel to have this? stan: it is very good. charlie: puts you up there with roger. stan: roger federer, so many champions. charlie: nothing better than working hard and all of a sudden, even when you are 21 or 31 -- stan: 31, yeah. charlie: to win the u.s. open, three of the four grand slams, a remarkable feeling for a game you love stan:. stan:it is a big change. i love playing tennis. i enjoy it. i enjoy playing in those big stadiums. yesterday was something special, something i never have. charlie: the crowd turns you on. stan: i love it.

that is also why you get tennis, to see that people enjoy it, that people, they are happy to be here and enjoy the match. yesterday, they did enjoy the final. charlie: thank you for coming conga --, congratulations. back in a moment, stay with us. ♪

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you come from two very different backgrounds. democratic senator from new jersey, republican senator from north carolina. what is it that unites you? >> there is a friendship, a commonality of experience. when you come out of two different backgrounds, we have some -- common experience, common african experience. my ancestry is from [indiscernible] a lot of those things, people might expect the voting record to be different. we have found so much common ground on legislation together. we both share a sense of common mission when it comes to our country as a whole as well as african-americans in the country. >> i think we share a love of country. we both love people. we see the objective of solving problems for folks that are primary objectives. they may take different perspectives to approach solving

the problem, but we see it so often and too often, we celebrate differences in this nation. charlie: why is it so rare in american politics? >> in order for us to make progress in this century as elected officials, we have to have a report. -- rapport. unit credibility and transparency and trust. need the permission of the other side to develop stuff. we were able to do that quickly. we have been able to do that quickly to solve problems this nation faces. charlie: have either of you [indiscernible] >> no. charlie: with a glimpse of it, what do you think it means both to america and to you individually? when i walked in here looking at the [indiscernible]

on the outside, the distinction tn capitol hill, i firs of my grandfather who passed away this year. i thought about taking him to vote for the first african-american president, a day he thought would never come. , understanding the weight of history, the gravity of the circumstances that we faced as a nation, encouraged me, saddened me, and made me understand the important role that we can play in making this country better together. charlie: and you? corey: i have been jogging the capitol mall for some time and watching this building go up. i would stop on my run and look at the thing and feel the sense of gratitude, emotionalism welling up inside of me. we share not only as

being a young african-american growing up around the same age, but more powerful than that, having parents and grandparents who have been telling the stories, who have been hoping for america, who have been loving for america, who have been praying for america. this is the building i wish my grandparents could have seen opened. i know it would have given them a sense of the, a sense that they belong, that america is embracing the african-american community. really not in symbolically but a deeply substantive way. i kind of joked about it, but to cross the threshold of the building, that moment of walking in to this building, i felt all of my ancestors were rejoicing in that moment. and then has i was walking in to , oneto two of the curators of the slavery to freedom section of the museum, to hear these two women speak -- i suddenly realized there is an

aspect of african-american history that frustrates me sometimes. such a rich history. every war african-americans have fought on and died for, so many accompaniments we take for granted. we see a president in our culture, entertainment, business, but there is a shadow that still hangs over the truth and depth of contribution of african-americans to this country. i heard these two women talking about this exhibit, i realized, this will illuminate not just lacks but the country -- blacks but the country even more to the citizenship and service blacks have made in america's history. consolidation. this building, i have gotten phone calls from folks that came to visit. whenever people want to come. for the first time you hear this lien in concept, people leaning in to want to be a part of this

historic building, as if walking in here makes them a part of history. they know their ancestors are a part of the history. so it validates a reality that we have all known, but for the first time in the nation's capital. we note african-american history is american history. charlie: and they are part of african -- they are part of american history. tim: so important to have that. charlie: so many young people don't have a sense of history, of their own history whether african-american or not but especially african-american history. they can come here, and they can see the casket and understand where america was and where we hope for that it is, in becoming better. tim: people have to understand black history isn't for black people. .lack history is for americans

it is for all of us to feel pride, all of us to feel that this history is so much a part of them, no matter what your background or race is. i agree. oftents me how little folks know about the contribution of african-american ,eaders, what folks endured even when people were betraying the ideals, this idea that we are going to make them real, make them true. you talk about the pain from the middle passage to the kospi -- to the tuskegee experiments. even the things going on today, there is still this wonderful spirit of the counts from african-american communities. zorn neil hurston once said, i have been through horse kitchen. but the -- horror's kitchen. but it is a choice that you make in never letting despair have

the last word. here is a community that found hope in america not in america but for america and made real on the hope, made significant contributions to making real on the hope and promise of a -- of america. charlie: when this place opens. speaking of contemporary issues between conflict of immunity and andenforcement -- community law enforcement, you get a moving speech on the senate floor where you talked about what an assault on dignity it is , how many times you had been stopped by police as an elected official. tim: yes. seven times in one year. what i hoped to do with that speech was bring a light to a very old issue. one that most of us, especially african-american males, and have experienced time and time and time again. without the camera or a way of

the infinite, it appeared it wasn't happening. i wanted to validate the concerns of so many folks and say, it is real. at the same time, i have spent a lot of time reminding folks 95% of the time, maybe even more, law enforcement officers are doing their job and are doing it right, the unfortunate reality is men of color have been the victim of what is not right. charlie: violence and death. tim: absolutely. april 2015, walter scott was shot in the back. we set up a nonpolice related incident, did a manual search. is filled my state with american history. not all of it has been good for folks of color. but the beauty of the south, south carolina and america is the whole beginning of the civil war -- charlie: charleston.

tim: it was with the beating of a congressman and senator. so through the prism of south carolina, you take bishop nine, the massacre, and then you fast-forward to a place where the first senator from the south of african descent comes out of south carolina. charlie: you said i have felt pressure applied by the scales of justice when they are slammed . i have felt frustration and humiliation that comes from feeling you are being targeted but nothing more than just being yourself. tim: absolutely. i think that quote is the best way to say what i felt and what i feel. the truth is that our nation needs to evolve. a painful part of our history, a painful part of our present is that strained relationship with the communities of color and law enforcement. and myself along with

congressman trey gowdy have started working with a group in south carolina with african-american pastors and law enforcement officers, law enforcement leaders of all colors so we have a chance to build real reform credibility so we can untangle very difficult issues to solve and then present solutions to the country. this is not a republican or democratic solution that is necessary. what is necessary? i think what tim is doing is a great representation of that. he is a republican, but there is a wonderful aspect of african-american tradition that is true in a lot of other traditions, speaking truth to power. here is a guy that was the united states senator and has been in my opinion a range of -- courageous by not amending his truths and standing on the senate floor as speaking like that. that is one part of what is needed. the other part is to have

courage in their empathy, courageous empathy to listen to the truth and be open to the truth and experience. those are the things you listed off before -- he listed off before. i worry and america we are not listening to each other with our hearts. we are not showing courageous empathy to really try to understand people's experiences. we are judging first, reacting first, or not even listening but preparing our defense. this is something i value that is coming out of leaders like tim. not just willing to listen, but telling the truth no matter what the consequences. the speech he gave, you have to understand his election-year in the state -- i will say it, despite the heroics you have seen, the church in charleston, heroic racial courage coming together, there is still issues in south carolina like there are

in new jersey. for him to stand up and give a speech where there could have been a lot of backlash and criticism, that is the kind of courage we need from leaders in congress. we also need lurk -- leaders courageous enough to stop and listen and do what is necessary when it comes to empathy to create an environment where we can actually work together to solve these problems. charlie: you said, even though i am angry, i am not going to speak in anger. tim: if you get elected off-track looking for solutions, speak with great emotion during an emotional time. i have had to take my time and allow the emotions to dissipate so i can have an honest conversation with folks not about how i feel, but about how people feel who are in that position. i know it was very important for me to share my experience without the emotion of my experience, because then it would have been about me.

my goal was to validate those of us who have been in that situation, who have had that experience, who have felt threatened sitting in your car, just because of what you look like. you had to experience that which takes you to your core. to your core. it is hard to articulate with words the frustration, the insecurity, the sense of being invisible and then completely visible. to validate that those of us with been in that situation, especially when you have done nothing wrong. charlie: there was also this. brian stevenson said, we have never really confronted the legacy of slavery and racial injustice has compromised on all of our ability to see each other's layering. the legacy of slavery. how you see it and how we confront it. tim: for me it is frustrating.

i don't know where all my senate colleagues go home, but i go home to an inner-city, i love my community, i love my city, but what folks don't understand is they talk about things like they are far away. they don't understand these kind have compounded upon each other generation after generation. slavery, one of the most violent periods of terrorism in united states history, was right after reconstruction, there was massacres on american soil. black business people, black elected -- massacres. and then on top of that, being replaced with the vicious white supremacy of jim crow, that reflected american policy. from the g.i. bill to housing, all of these things were put forth in a time -- we celebrate fdr's alphabet soup, but these were often district -- restricted or denied to

african-americans. i see the legacy of bigoted housing policies that went well into the 1970's. my family story as a child being getting a white couple to pose as us, this legacy is alive today. we can't be defensive and hope it goes away. confront with love what is going on in our country's history and address that injustice so we can be the country we hope and want to be. tim: less than 40% of the slaves came through charleston. obviously we have a provocative history without any question as demonstrated by the first landings of many slaves i came to america. you can see that manifested through our state. we do have an equilibrium as we had in discussion. you can see in the pain and misery, it is difficult to look into the future with hope and opportunity. corey: you can't move forward if you are not willing to confront the winds of the past.

-- wounds of the past. they will fester and grow worse. if you give attention, acknowledge them, you see this in other countries with truth reconciliation. talking about what is happening, what went forward. you can't try to homogenize it. i know they will tell the truth about people like martin luther king. a friend of mine talks about the nloset -- santa clausificatio of martin luther king. he was truly unhappy. people like mohammed ali, people want to say how much they loved him. he was deeply unpopular for the stance he took. we can't look at history to make us feel good. we have to confront history. two the and malcolm x naacp. -- to the naacp. tim: no one should whitewash our

history. those of us in the south especially south carolina, every day, we have reminders of where we have been, where we are. not often enough. we sit down with president perez in israel, one of the things we met through together, one of the things he said was, we don't have enough teachers for the future. so while i am absolutely a lean forward kind of guy, an optimist, every day when i go back home, in the south, we celebrate our past. we celebrate the pain of our history. charlie: and your mother said to you, as a young man, do what you do. and what you would do, and ask yourself, what would you do if you could not fail? corey: i came from a family of no excuses.

i came from a family that models for me what it took to make it. grandparents who were successful, overcame the odds. i can't imagine my father born poor in the jim crow south to a single mom, they would not allow me with the blessings that i grew up with, with the richness in comparison to my father, they would say don't walk around here . he was born on third base. they wanted me to have a new excuse -- no excuse attitude about my life. [laughter] pettinesser let fear, , never let injury, never let things old me back. but the common thing i loved about what we took from our deep in thed is so african-american tradition as well as the american tradition at large, is this idea you can find your greatness not by your personal accomplishments but by your willingness to do for others. service is the measure of

greatness. you inherited a legacy of struggle, sacrifice and overcoming. that is the legacy you have got to continue and be loyal to. tim: at least in black culture where i grew up in the south, tori as well, it is a pivotal role. one of the scriptures i will never forget, my grandmother reminded me all the time is --hael -- my goal of life according to her. be a faithful servant. charlie: because of the unreasonable number of african-americans, especially men, incarcerated, a growing sense that there has to be something done in the criminal justice system. recognitiono feel a that this is common ground.

for republicans and democrats. please understand there is not a sense. there is a fierce relentless urgency to address this in justice in america. we have a country right now where there is no difference between blacks and whites for using drugs or dealing drugs, but african-americans are almost four times likely to be arrested . it has been such a massive reality that the present population and jails are filled with minorities, mentally ill, drug addicted, so overwhelming. this is not new. it has happened since 1980. 800% increase in the federal prison population. 500% in the nation's prison population. we are the land of the free or the incarcerated nation, leader of the global earth. lessdy said we had 20% poverty. ,ut we have incarceration rates

even the voting rights, many people can't vote because of this explosion in an course rating people, based on a failed drug war week as there is more people in jail for nonviolent drug offenses than there has been since 1975. this is an urgency. church, buto black let me tell you right now, the christian evangelical movement, white and black, this is a faith bonding area back to 1925. it talks about what have you done for the least of these? there is obligation that comes to direct injustice sees. -- injustices. we are here because of the idea of faith in the black community. in the bible, faith the size of a mustard seed could move mountains. this was humble faith that overcame monumental injustice, that there is still outrageous

injustice in the criminal justice system. in general, and particularly being a felt by african-american communities, being decimated by this drug war. ami rejoice in, because i sponsoring legislation with tim bradley,e like chuck both sides of the aisle, beginning to see common urgency. from a fiscal perspective, states are putting themselves in the poor house trying to support the building of prisons all the way to the righteousness of the crusade. if we are going to be the land of liberty, we have got to do it in a different way. tim: one of the reasons why i found myself partnering with corey and justice reform is because of passion and fax. cts. carolina,me in south one of the things as you do more research, you find in south carolina the estimated prison

population for our state should be around 30,000 this year. it is actually 20,000. they closed six prisons. six click -- six prisons in south carolina because we figured out how to punish those were a threat to society and not punish those who are either angry at or afraid of it. the change has been monumental. the lives restored can be measured, and the impact, the good impact on our society is being seen every day. the good news is south carolina is safer today than it has been in my lifetime. that is a profound thing. corey: most states are realizing, federal government hasn't moved, but red states are moving in america. crime is going down. when you empower people to succeed, they do better. when prison becomes about retribution alone, and not putting people away in disproportionate manners, you

are making security worse. charlie: but you are saying there is urgency? the president and the political system, to deal with mass incarceration, deal with these questions of too many people in for the wrong crimes and differences between white sentences and black sentences. corey: there is urgency, but there is not enough. ae privilege is when there is serious problem not affecting au or your family, it is not problem. that is the worst kind of privilege. these americans -- it is touching more and more. americans three adult have an arrest record. black white or whatever. it is legal in most states to discriminate, deny housing, jobs, because they were arrested. even though they were cleared of the charges. this is a national problem. it is disproportionately affecting poor folk. we don't have the sense of

urgency to solve the problem. we have examples to point to where we were solving the problem. charlie: i want to close with this as we sit in this magnificent new museum, there is the washington monument right there. a man had slaves, president of united states, the first resident of united states. what do you hope when this museum opens in september 24, it accomplishes? it reminds us of? will be your deepest hope that this will accomplish and represent? corey: i hope that one of the beauties of this museum being here will be an understanding and appreciation of the depth of tragedy of, and slavery. i hope that the suffering from

decade to decade to decade to in ae will be understood very real and tangible way. i hope that the weight of the t andwill slow your gai bow your head. and as you walk out here, i hope that the sense of freedom, a sense of expectations will overwhelm you, and that you will feel individually responsible for making america the most amazing country for every single citizen in our land. corey: go past the washington monument, go to the jefferson memorial. that is a man who had a complicated relationship with black folk and a painful one with black folk. but if you read his words at the end of the declaration of independence. , she said for us to succeed, we

need to have a rational commitment to one another. it necessitates a level of his citizenship where i need you as much as you need me. i hope this museum helps us get and reignite that pressure that's principle. -- that principle. i see myself in you. i hope this museum can bring us together. charlie: thank you. ♪

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