john: i'm john heilemann. mark: and i'm mark halperin. "with all due respect" to those who wonder if donald trump is tech savy, that has been answered. mr. trump: we came in with the internet. cyber warfare. cyber warfare. someone sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds. cyber and cyber warfare. i have a son. he is good with computers. he's so good with these computers. it is unbelievable. cyber warfare. ♪ >> welcome to the best of "with all due respect."

this week in presidential politics, we had sniffing and stating. we start the program with our theafter analysis of how candidates did on hofstra university last night. it has been less than 24 hours after donald trump and hillary clinton faced off on the debate stage, and the candidates are back on the campaign trail. many in the media declared clinton the winner from last night. the democratic nominee took a victory lap in raleigh, north carolina. hillary clinton: did anybody see that debate last night? [cheering] hillary clinton: oh, yes. one down, two to go. and when i confronted him with the reasons why he won't release his tax returns, i got to the point where i said, "maybe he's paid zero." he says, "maybe that makes him smart."

[boos] hillary clinton: if not paying taxes makes him smart, what does that make all the rest of us? mark: donald trump has also been claiming victory. that was the main thrust of his talking points when he came, in manner, intoted the spin room last night. donald trump and his team trying to mitigate the fallout from the criticism of his debate, or as some people call it, "making excuses." donald trump: i had some hostile questions. he didn't ask her about the e-mails at all. he didn't ask her about her scandals. he didn't ask her about the benghazi deal. he didn't ask her about a lot of things that she should have been asked about. there is no question about it. when you look at it, when you watch the last four questions, he hit me on birther. he hit me on a housing deal from many years ago that i settled a while ago. they were leaving all of her little goodies out.

those questions are not answerable in a positive light. i had a problem with my microphone. it did not work -- i do not know if you saw them in the room. my microphone. i wonder if it was set up that way on purpose. my microphone in the room -- they couldn't hear me. it was going on and off, which isn't exactly great. i wonder if it was set up that way. but it was terrible. it went on and off. and it was much lower than hers. i don't want to believe in conspiracy theories, of course, but it was much lower than hers, and it was crackling. john: oh no, donald trump would never want to believe in a conspiracy theory. this is what hillary clinton had to say about that, all of that, during a hill force one gathering. >> what about his stamina? hillary clinton: anybody who complains about the microphone is not having a good night. john: ok. there is another trick donald trump likes to use when he feels he is not being treated fairly by the media. he likes to talk about the polls.

donald trump: i think we did very well. we have won almost every single poll. every poll. except for cnn. no one watches cnn, though. but we won almost every single poll. cbs, slate, time magazine -- all of them. we won all of them. so that was great. john: oh, he won all of them. especially that cbs poll, which does not actually exist. because cbs did not do a postdebate poll. the rest were online surveys. the most credible of the bunch was in fact the cnn-orc survey he mentioned which found that , 62% of voters said that clinton had a better night. so mark, not a good day for donald trump. not a good night last night. do you believe, at this point, it would do him good politically to admit he lost and shaping up for the next debate? mark: i'm stipulating between what is and what ought to be. -- this morning, i thought he should say, "it was my first day debating. i don't like how the questions went. but i will do better next time."

but now i do not think so. his supporters -- you know, rush limbaugh said that he won. as brazen and as counterfactual to a lot of how people experienced the debate, i think he should tough it through. pretend it did not happen and hope it does not impact the polls, the national and battleground state polls. john: i don't like giving donald trump advice on what to do or what not to do. we will talk about it more. he plainly lost the debate. there are examples in the past candidates and campaigns, back with bush in 2004 and obama in 2012, where the campaign basically -- they did not come out and say, "we lost." but they have come out and said, "you know, it was not a good nights, we have to come out and do better next time." that helps with better credibility with the media. but credibility with the mainstream media is not how donald trump advances himself politically. the big difference is in 2012,

when barack obama failed in denver. barack obama had to confront mass panic about his supporters, and admit he lost and would do better the next time. democrats were freaking out. trump fans are not freaking out. they saw a different debate. they think he won. mark: what saved a man the reason i do not think he has to, for his own good, said he lost is there is no soundbite moment. there are a lot of moments that i think will haunt him in further democratic ads, but there is no rick perry "oops." there is no gerald ford under soviet domination. as much as there is built up to the debate, i just don't think he has to turn the page in the narrative to say, "i lost, let's move on." he can just muscle through trump-style and say i want to and hope the polls don't suggest that he lost. john: i have the feeling he might, though. mark: what about hillary clinton. what does she need to do and what can she do to capitalize on this performance from the debate? john: she is doing it.

she has been doing it all day today. you are right, there was not a big moment where trump said a glaring thing. what she is doing now is highlighting those moments in order to try to keep that narrative going. i think particularly on the question of his taxes, where i thought her performance was really last night by going through a series of hypotheticals. asking questions. having him not denying the suggestions. that opened the door to that issue. we saw him last night debate a lot of issues and make factual misstatements over the course of the night. she and her team are amplifying those mistakes through the media and can keep this thing alive for several more days on that basis. mark: at least on social and targeted media. john: yes. mark: my second favorite haley barbour expression, "in politics, good gets better. bad gets worse." she had a great day today. she had a gaggle of reporters on her plane. she was talking about optimistic and joking with them. her inxed as i have seen a while. and she did that rally -- again she is enjoying the win.

, not gloating about it or going over the top about it, but she is surfing the success she had last night. it has put her in a good mood. while republicans are not panicking, democrats are super happy. and she knows that. john: here is the thing you can tell about the candidates -- and we will talk about the campaigns in a second and how they tried , but withhings candidates you can tell. when a candidate feels they have won and have judged to have won, they have this look of confidence. donald trump -- if he had won the debate, he would not be talking about the moderator or the microphone. it is a window into his psyche. he is tacitly admitting, though he will never admit it exquisitely, he is tacitly admitting that he lost the the debate by making excuses. she right now is on a bit of a roll. she has confidence. mark: confidence matters so much. he is confident, because he always feels confident. but she has a lot of confidence. john: more than she has had in weeks. we got a bit dizzy from all of the spinning in the hofstra

university debate spin room last night. since then, both campaigns have this -- staff, circuits, and running mates to flood the airwaves with talking points. let's take a sample of what team trump has been saying last night. >> donald trump took command of the stage. i think the american people saw his leadership quality. >> i was glad he was polite and a gentleman to her. particularly at the end, when he pulled the biggest punch of all. >> i felt his restraint at the end was absolutely remarkable. she was just sort of program hillary. >> she had canned, scripted responses. she obviously was over prepared. she wanted to make sure we heard every single scripted moment. john: that was the trump song. now, we will take a listen to the tune the clinton course has been singing very joyfully today. >> i thought hillary clinton was prepared. donald trump was incoherent. >> i think he came onto the stage grossly unprepared. he then kind of unraveled and came apart during the course of

the debate. i think he disqualified himself on every level. >> hillary answered questions, and donald avoided them. and hillary told the truth, and donald told some whoppers. it really showed her off as prepared to be president. >> she came ready to talk about to sit an, not just insult and whatever he called that whiny he was doing. >> i don't think donald trump can be president. he does not have the temperament. john: so this all matters in some sense. people make fun of spin-meisters, but these matter a lot. in terms of how the campaigns have handled this, who is making their case better? mark: i think this is an area where technical proficiency and size matters. and planning. the clinton campaign is learning from the obama template about how to aggressively be out and have surrogates on all forms of media. they filled the space. i actually think given that the trump team is so much smaller experienced in most of the positions and the fact they were playing a weaker hand, i

don't think they did a bad job of trying to create the impression "the red team says this, the blue team says this." the clinton people the better but the trump people did surprisingly well. john: they have done a good job preventing panic among supporters. but you can tell. we covered a lot of debates. right in that spin room, the clinton campaign was out before the debate was over. they were not only arguing that she won, but you can tell that she believed it. the trump campaign came out much much later. and although they somewhat gamely tried, bottom line, in background conversations, you could tell they knew that they had been beaten. they just did not have that look in their eyes. mark: the clinton people were barely trying to spin. i walked past them, and it was like hey, what is going on? there was no attempt. there are happy to let the candidates speak for themselves. i will say the clinton people are at fighting readiness. it will be interesting to see

not just is trump gets better in the debates but if this operation improves. like i said, there are lots of people involved that have never done this before. john: almost everyone on that done thisam has before and gone to the spin room and talked to reporters before. mark: i think clinton has more people doing social media can make asians than trump has employees. john: what donald trump has said about a former miss universe is out of this world. coming up next, our story on how hillary clinton is using the controversy. ♪

♪ donald j. trump and his campaign are still dealing with the fallout of the fat shaming over former miss universe winner alicia machado. who has spent the past 24 hours telling her story to fox news

and the today show. >> what were the names he called you? >> ms. housekeeping, miss piggy. ms. eating machine. >> all to your face? >> yes. all the time. he was really aggressive. he was really rude. he was a bad person with me. and that is the story i need to share. for my community. more -- we cannot accept more insults for my latin community. no more. i need to share my story. i think i can open a few eyes. i can maybe change a few minds. that you know, i do not think this person is the right person that can be a president. john: we will talk about how the

media has been covering the story in just a moment. my question for you at this hour is whether the story is accelerating or finally starting to simmer down? mark: i think the donald trump campaign can be forgiven for thinking this will go away. because that has happened in the past. when trump had these labs. some of these have lingered but not quite as dominant stories. the reason why i think they may be wrong and that this may linger as a news story in a hot way is we are in a different phase in the campaign. this happened during a debate. this did not happen at a rally . or at an interview. this happened during a debate in a high-profile way. she is someone -- whatever flaws she might have, what donald trump said about her is going to resonate with a lot of people. i think it is still moving. i think the trump campaign believes they can ignore -- they may be wrong. john: i suggested yesterday on the show it is nuts to insult someone in a way that has such a resonance with so many people.

85 million people watched the debate. let's say that is 41 million women. with theirave dealt weight issues -- we have known someone with a weight issue, people in our , there are people with eating issues, people who have been bullied. these are not abstract policy or political issues. these of the culture, the things people talk about over the dinner table every day. that is a very dangerous terrain to insult many millions of people in that way. which is why i think you're right. i think she has come across quite sympathetically in her interviews, most of them. the ones i have seen, she has, across very sympathetically. she has come across like she is hurt. i do not know if the donald trump campaign is ever going to apologize to her. you said yesterday you think they should. i think it would be smart for them to shut this down by apologizing. mark: to paraphrase donald trump -- i do not care if she went out

and shot someone, what he said about and to her was rude and wrong and insensitive. i think a lot of people will see like that. the press is not going to drop this. the clinton campaign is not going to drop this. i am not saying it is going to dominate or cost him the election. but they are wrong to think at this stage at a high-profile thing like the debate that this another person that donald trump insulted, and who cares. john: a lot of people think donald trump is a bully. you can say mean things to your political opponents. nobody really cares, because that is what is expected. but, when you start bullying private citizens, whether a gold star family or a federal judge you are in a different terrain. , no nominees do this. mark: a primary criticism is that donald trump and his campaign are not competent. because the debate was not handled competently. the present through which this is being seen -- the prism through which this is being seen

is incompetent. coming up, we will traverse the electoral map with the former obama campaign manager david poof -- david clough -- david plouffe. ♪

♪ mark: we are back with david plouffe, the man that says hillary clinton has a 100% chance of winning. that means there are no scenarios we could lay out for donald trump to get enough you a total votes -- electoral votes. we will get david in here to look at those scenarios. explain to us why they are not just implausible but impossible. let's look at the first one. this is the baseline for any trump win. the big three are ohio, florida , and north carolina. even the democrats can see ohio will probably be a trump state. all the scenarios include the big three and iowa. that does not get them to 270,

that gets them to let's look at 259. the first scenario that could get him to 270. which would be adding in pennsylvania. the so-called pennsylvania path. only needs to win the big three, iowa, and pennsylvania. you could see that he could win the big three and iowa? david: no. the two states he is doing best in are iowa and ohio, but i still believe -- mark: i understand, but is it impossible or implausible that he could win florida? david: i think it is very unlikely. >> not impossible though. david: the state has become more demographically friendly. >> could he win north carolina? david: i think yes. >> ok, he can. let's put the florida dispute aside. tell us why pennsylvania is impossible for donald trump. david: it is the easter bunny. it does not exist. he is going to walk out of

southeastern pennsylvania, philly and the three suburban counties -- she is going to have north of 500,000 votes. there is numerically not enough votes? >> has that state become more democratic? david: here's what i think. if donald trump were a different candidate that had some appeal to suburban voters, i still think it would be hard for republicans. the problem is like his northern virginia problem. his denver suburban problem. he just cannot get there. could he get within two or three? yes, but he cannot get to a win number. john: let's take a look at scenario number two. this is what we call the new hampshire path. again, it begins with the big three plus iowa. then, you add in nevada, new hampshire, and the maine 2nd di strict. where they have one electoral vote. david: of those, the maine district is possible.

theink new hampshire is same as what we're talking about virginia. >> what you says make this impossible is new hampshire. david: and nevada. i think she is certain to win nevada. john: barack obama won nevada comfortably in 2012. and in 2008. why she behind in pulling in nevada now? david: 70% of the people will not vote. 100% of the people can. this is where the race is. donald trump may be at a ceiling. but he is closer to a ceiling than she is. she has more vote to come in page she has more of the undecided vote. the third party vote is going to collapse, and she should get more of that. in these polls, the latino undecided vote is huge. that is why i think -- listen, our own polling in nevada was never as rosie as the alternate election outcome. mark: let's look at three last

scenarios that we know by definition you say will not happen. one involves colorado. no chance there? david: no. john: what you say this includes florida? mark: all of the scenarios. david: colorado i do not see. mark: what about winning the silver state and wisconsin? david: wisconsin will be a clinton state. so is michigan and minnesota. the democratic strength in the upper midwest -- barack obama had unique strength there both times. but i just do not see it happening. >> because of the african-american vote. david: no. he is from illinois. it is really interesting -- it was always underappreciated. we do not have to spend much time or money out there. wisconsin was a little closer in 2012 because of ryan. >> in colorado, the polling is very close. gary johnson is getting a big chunk of that vote. why are you so sure? david: there is one or two. close. if you look at modeling out 100% of the electorate and the

aggregate of most public polls, that may be one of johnson's best states. i do not think he will get 12 or again, i think she is going to 14. beat him with the latino vote in colorado. and you add in suburban swing voters, which i think she will win in a dominant way. maybe even more than we did in 2008, certainly more than 2012. mark: as you said before, the map has narrowed. the donald trump campaign has this proposition, "we will go all in." trump to do -- could do a week long bus tour in pennsylvania or wherever they choose. david: well, because florida -- mark: i do not saying that. i'm saying basically these combinations -- let us assume that iowa and ohio is safe. david: i think she will win them both. mark: i understand, but -- your campaign is a little less optimistic about this. but let's just say that we get to the end, the last three weeks, and he has those pretty

well secured. he could basically campaign in four states. he could campaign in florida and north carolina and any other two that get him over the top. at that point, you're basically running for governor of four states at the same time. he can pour money in, and republican allies could calm in -- come in. david: she does not have organization. mark: whether pumpkin party does. i understand. but in the end, you are saying now that if you look at the national map he cannot get to 270. but isn't not possible to say what happens if a guy is willing to drop a lot of money can go into four states in three weeks? david: no, because the product matters here. and he is a flawed product. that is my confidence comes in. this guy, in my view is not , going to get elected president. john: your basic premise is he will not win all four states? david: no, she is going to win all four. but florida and north carolina i would much rather her. mark: all right, david, thank you for coming in.

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♪ >> welcome back. our next guest is the media columnist for what donald trump likes to say the failing in failed "new york times." that is jim gutenberg. good to see you. tell me about what you think of this .4 hours of coverage. yesterday, we had debate coverage about who won or lost. now we have a different one. talk to us about how the debate fallout story is going from a media point. jim: it is going about five different directions p we have a continued followed over a status comment about a former beauty queen.

we have questions about whether he will buckle down for his next debate. there are gender questions about how the coverage went for hillary clinton. the debate did not disappoint. and then the huge ratings boost. the debate delivered more coverage than i've ever seen in politics. mark: what, besides the beauty queen storyline, what storyline came out of the debate that really dominated the debate? jim: i think the debate prep this year becomes more than just a process story. it actually says something. hillary clinton, in her seemingly prepared remarks -- mark: i like the way you said seemingly prepared. jim: she said she was not preparing for the debate, but she was preparing for the presidency. it did clearly land the way the campaign is embracing it. mark: if you cannot prepare for the debate, how are you going to prepared to be president? jim: i think they though found a

winning argument. i think they're trump campaign thinks the same way, which is how the donald trump campaign will prepare for the next one. i think they mean it. john: all day long in the context of alicia machado, there are some stores that have shown brazilian -- british tabloids and conservative media that have been negative about her past. we have mentioned them glancingly the beginning of the show. have you seen thus far, any mainstream non-right outlets that have picked those up? do you anticipate that they will if they have not already? jim: i've not seen them pick it up and run with it in the same way. i do envision it, if there is yet another story about this tomorrow morning. the donald trump campaign wants a story about this again the next morning. i do not know having the candidate fight with a -- i-party, he did not do do not know if he's going to

focus on the things that he did well on in the debate. mark: the press loves a winner. i've not seen many negative stories by hillary clinton since the debate. a lot of negative stories about donald trump. is that bad practice on the part of the media? should we not basically say "she won the debate, so no more investigative stories? no more asking about e-mails, etc.?" jim: i don't think so. what everyone has to do is take a deep breath. before this debate, the hype was that this would change the dynamic of the race. no one is really feeling that right now today. maybe give it a few days, and then we will see. everything is status quo and has to calm down a little bit. mark: again, should part of our job be that just because she won the debate mean that all the stories about donald trump have to be tilted in a negative direction? and all the stories about her in a positive direction? jim: it does not. i do not think it will. john: but you agree it is happening now? jim: it feels that way now, but the debate was -- how many days has it been?

>> well, the debate was on monday. i just say -- i would say this is the she was on the other foot it was kind of feeling like, if , you win the debate then you get a, "get out of jail free card" for the next couple of hours. jim: i do not like making predictions -- mark: the pendulum will swing back. jim: hopefully, it will swing back towards the center. john: true or false, donald trump is an unusually media savvy candidate? jim: the most media savvy that i've seen in my lifetime. john: so, true. jim: true. john: so what is it about trump? we know he did not prepare much for the debate. he blew seemingly so many fundamental tv elements. not understanding what the split screen would do. so many things he seemed to get so well before with almost a tv producer's eye. can you explain that? shockingly,r if a, he was a little bit nervous?

maybe he is a little human. i also think there has been so little consequence to him getting basic things wrong that you know he would get right in other situations. maybe he thought that he could amble through it and be ok. and part of what has made him compelling this year is this hot mess quality. mark: liberals are going to kill you on twitter for saying "trump is human." jim: i said maybe. [laughter] >> well, thank you so much for joining us. jim: i thought there would be more questions. >> no, that is it. jim: i will never be on the show again. mark: no, that is it. you are great. thank you for joining us. when we come back, a three some you will never forget. they are live on the set, all three after this.

♪ >> we have a super lineup in the studio. joining us now, republican strategist romney ryan. and former clinton campaign poster the mark penn. delighted to have you all year. >> v-mart penn. mark: i want to start with a clip of alicia machado. >> he was really rude with me. he was -- he was trying to destroy my self-esteem. now, i am a voice in the latin community. mark: as a person, a human, a man, the sensitive man i know you are how do you feel about , that? ms.hat is a personal thing machado is choosing to do.

she has been trying to smear him for a long time now. really, it is none of my business. i'm not going to weigh in on it too much. there are some things in her background that are a bit questionable, but i will leave those to be out there. mark: what he said to her is not in dispute. it is on video -- a lot of it is on videotape. boris: she chose to participate in the pageant. they had these interactions -- i do not think it matters. frankly i don't think it matters , to the american people. the voters don't care about an interaction from 20 years ago. or 17 years ago. they care about the economy, national security. they care about the women he has employed. kellyanne conway, our campaign manager. i think the left is trying to portray mr. trump i somehow this monster. but this one woman it is just a , personal -- >> but it is just two days ago he attacked her for gaining weight. he accused her of gaining weight. >> he did not choose her of

gaining weight. he was talking about what was happening 17 years ago. >> he went on and attacked her for gaining weight. >> that is what he said. >> so what did he say? >> he talked about the reasons she was not a great contestant, how she was difficult to deal with. >> did he talk about her weight? >> this is a tiny issue here. do you really think that people in ohio or florida are going to vote based on this. absolutely not. >> you do agree that he did talk about her weight? -- >> i think you learn a lot in these situations about temperament. what is striking to me is that the morning after the debate, that did not go that well for him, his immediate response is to attack a private citizen for her weight. i think that is a window -- >> if you were a trump advisor would you say not talk about this? >> i would say that your temperament is the number one issue holding you back from being president.

just say you and her had a disagreement, moveon, i'm here to talk about taxes today and my tax cut plan. anything but that -- and i have been through a lot of crises, and anything other than that is a huge mistake for anyone else out there. all it does is bring. his temperament into play >> temperament and character. >> he made a comment. that was yesterday morning. now the media wants to run with the narrative. obviously, it is being pushed by hillary clinton's campaign. if you look at donald trump's campaign, he has empowered women. kellyanne conway, she has been a guest of this show. i think what ms. machado is saying is not the truth about mr. trump. let's talk about his proposals and his childcare plan. it is revolutionary for republicans to want to have paid maternity leave. to want to make sure women are able to work. >> i want to say, just to be clear i am as critical of the , media and how they cover

republicans as anybody, but in fairness, it was donald trump on fox and friends that said she had a weight problem. the "new york times," they said the same thing. she herself said the same things herself in that interview. i would love to move on. >> give us your overall sense of the debate. looking at battleground state polls, what do you see of her chances versus his? was within the margin of error and the debate would be the decisive event. i always thought she would come out strong and clearly understand the issues. i think she cannot more aggressive than i expected. i think that aggressiveness against donald trump worked. because the question was was she aggressive enough to go to toe with trump? yes. she basically thumped him. even though in the first half hour, they were candidate to candidate, in the next hour, she basically thumped him.

i think everyone agrees. >> do you agree with david plouffe that her chances of winning are 100%? [laughter] >> no one's chances of anything are 100%. >> there's another big debate coming up. does donald trump need to prepare more for the next debate? or did he prepare certainly -- sufficiently for the debate? >> she prepared sufficiently. he will be absolutely ready for the next debate. he will be absolutely ready for the last debate. >> i want to be clear -- you feel that if donald trump prepares for the next debate, in exactly the same way in which he prepared for the first debate, that he will be golden? >> we are very confident going into the next debate. if you look at the last debate, hillary clinton tried to lie to the american people about the tbp, about new york crime rates. she lied about saying super predator about african-american youth. she tried to lie about several issues. >> who do you think won? >> donald trump.

>> four weeks ago, the republican party was said to be in panic that donald trump would bring everything down. then he had a two weeks and she had to add weeks. where is your party now in terms of comfort with donald trump and his chances? >> i think most republican leaders i talk to believe hillary has an edge. it is close -- she has managed -- she will probably win. but right now, the win will not be so decisive that it will do a lot of damage down ballot. that is anecdotal. >> 95% of republicans are for donald trump. in pennsylvania about a week and a half ago, morning consult said 71% of pennsylvania republicans are behind trump. in just one week, 85% now -- a 14% swing. potent was him saying that you were part of

washington? >> 70% are saying that things are on the wrong track. if we are talking about the message, it might be powerful. if he does do more debates where basically his temperament gets in the way and he does not appear qualified, this thing is going to snowball in her direction. if you bounces back -- if after actuallydebate we are talking about maybe we need to change, maybe he can do it, if we are actually talking about any of that, that would actually help donald trump. >> we could be talking about trade. >> that is not what we are talking about -- let me say there is a snowball of stories coming out of the debate. it is not some sedative. >> i felt the first 20 minutes were effective. he talked about the birther movement. he talked about sean hannity. he attacked this woman about her weight. you think he should've just stayed off those topics? >> that is good of you to bring it up, because the reason those issues came up was because that was what the moderator asked about. >> both campaigns constantly say

they want to talk to the issues. listen to what donald trump said just a few minutes ago out on the trail in iowa. donald trump: she cannot even make it to her car. isn't it tough? >> so, he is back to talking about 9/11. who here thinks that is a good line? >> let's just talk about this issue. do you think it is a smart move for your boss to be impugning upon henry clinton's health? saying she could not make it to her car? >> stamina is a big part of the requirement to be president. and again you took one line of , that speech. there are a lot of lines in that . one of those messages is, "follow the money." >> you're absolutely right about that and we do not want to suggest that is all he said today. but it goes to this issue. we want to talk about things of substance that affect the american people. you were saying that she could not even make it to her car when she had pneumonia. >> this is a good example of why we talk about a subset of issues.

you're not talking about things he discussed in the speech -- he talked about taxes in his speech. >> he's making these types of comments that you know are going to gain attention. he attacked her health. you know that. >> it is an observation. >> do you want to talk about issues or her health? >> i will talk about whatever you want, but i'd prefer to talk about the issues. you, ii just -- like have been involved in a lot of campaigns. it is typically a bad sign when people like you and me come on every single television show, and i see it with not just you but a lot of surrogates for the donald trump campaign, and this creation for everything is the media's asking unfair questions. that is what you are saying. the media is focusing on things while your campaign just wants to focus on the issues. saying is -- first of all, what i want to say about the debates is the next two debates, there is no way that hillary clinton will not answer for her e-mails, libya, the clinton foundation. of the issues, i would love if the next question was what the corporate tax record is going to be like. >> let me ask this question

because the issue of stamina just came up. and boris suggested hillary clinton did not have that much stamina. there are several people that watched the debate and felt that hillary clinton stood upright at the podium and was very strong for 95 minutes while donald trump seemed to fade during the debate. what is your perception of the relative stamina of two candidates? >> she did have stamina and it was completely ridiculous for donald trump to say that when the living contradiction of what he was saying was right there. now she had a bad video. she had stuff that happened. but on that day in that moment, it even today what is he doing? ,why does he think -- he obviously thinks it is a great strategy. i do not know what poll would show that. >> who do you think look like they had more stamina? >> i really didn't think she did did i am not saying that just because i am biased against trump. i'm not biased in favor of hillary clinton. i thought she was energetic brimming with optimism. ,i thought she went on the attack against him -- she was almost better on the attack than

talking about her own ideas. i do not think she was that effective talking about her own policies. but when she would prosecute him, it was concise, 66, powerful -- succinct, powerful. when she asked him why he would not reveal his tax returns, she listed the four reasons why someone would -- >> that is not what he said. >> what he say? >> he said that if you follow the tax code as it is written, there are ways that you can minimize the amount within the rules and regulations. >> in one context, she said you are not paying any money. he said that made him smart. >> no, he said that is called being smart. >> i think the little read was right. >> no, it is part of the tax code, that is eating smart. i am sure you do the same thing. let me answer for a moment. let me ask something. she had about five days off beforehand. i was with him we flew out early thursday. in the morning. pittsburgh, two stops. philadelphia three stops.

, it was a huge saturday. maybe she was a little more rested, because she had five days off. but again, we are now focusing on who took time off -- >> no, she did not have time off. she went to school. and donald did not go to school. donald has to go to school if he is going to be president. when america says he did not go to debate school, he just showed up, is he going to go to school to be president? >> what are the three biggest things in trump's favor to win the election? >> the three biggest things are that 70% think the country is in the wrong direction. 60% think both candidates are untruthful and do not like either of them. and there are a lot of angry voters out there -- particularly white, male voters that are really supporting him and enthusiastic about him. >> how dangerous is gary johnson to her winning? >> i do not think it will be decisive.

as long as gary johnson is not the debates, and he is not i , think it will fade in the end. i do not think it will be a big factor. >> let's clarify that tax thing. are you prepared to say on camera that you know donald trump has paid federal income taxes in the past year? >> mr. trump has always followed all rules and regulations. youo you're prepared to say know for a fact that he has paid federal income taxes? >> i'm not his lawyer. i am not an attorney. >> so far the campaigns have been willing to say -- >> so far, no one has said -- >> all i know is that he has followed all the rules and regulations. something else i know is he wants to simplify the tax code. lower the corporate tax racket. those are the taxes. >> were you in debate prep, this is a pretty good answer. >> could he say, "i tried to minimize my taxes. that, to me, is being smart. but of course i have paid federal income taxes over the years." why can he not say that? >> he has said that repeatedly.

his taxes are under audit. the bottom line is this -- as a businessman, of course he is going to pay what the tax line says. >> what he should have said was that, "i have paid every single cent due to the united states government, including the taxes of the thousands of thousands of my employees and properties." [indiscernible] >> thank you all. please come back. john: stay tuned. more of the best of "with all due respect." ♪

mark: over the past few weeks, we have noticed that one way you can decipher how hillary clinton

, or at least team, is feeling about how the race is going. our tip is this -- look at the handsome face of her traveling press secretary. in the weeks before the debate, things were not going well for her. his constant presence behind her when she has spoken with the press, he had what we call sad nick. but after the debate, she has had a good time. so just look behind if you see sad nick or happy make. sometimes they tried to spin us. but just pay attention. >> there a scene in a documentary where the line is "put on a happy face when the press is watching." i think he's just letting us know what is going on. thanks nick. , thank you for watching this edition of the best of "with all due respect." you can continue to watch our

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♪ >> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: we are in washington, and we begin this evening with politics. according to "the new york times," hillary clinton has a 72% chance of winning the presidency. the general consensus is that donald trump struggled in the first debate on monday, as clinton put him on the defensive. nielsen ratings estimates a record-breaking 84 million viewers watched the debate. the focus is now shifting to the second debate in st. louis on october 9. trump's advisor is said to prepare him more thoroughly.