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mark: welcome to "best of with all due respect." week, we had sniffling and spitting after the first debate. we start with a look back at how the candidates did in their first debate monday night. it has been less than 24 hours after donald trump and hillary clinton faced off on the debate stage and both candidates are back on the trail already. after many -- in the media especially -- declared clinton the winner from last night. the democratic nominee took a victory lap in raleigh, north carolina. mrs. clinton: did anybody see that debate last night? [cheering] mrs. clinton: oh, yes. one down, two to go. and when i confronted him with the reasons why he would not release his tax returns, i got to the point where i said, "maybe he's paying zero." he says, "maybe that makes him smart."

[boos] mrs. clinton: if not paying taxes makes him smart, what does that make the rest of us? mark: donald trump also claiming victory. that was the main thrust of his talking points when he came into -- in an unprecedented move -- into the spin room last night. to the reporters, including that hard-working journalist. [laughter] market donald trump and his team : trying to mitigate the fallout from the criticism of his debate, or as some people call it, "making excuses." mr. trump: he didn't ask her about the e-mails at all. he didn't ask her about her scandals. he didn't ask her about the benghazi deal. he didn't ask her about a lot of things she should have been asked about. there is no question about it. when you look at it if you watch , the last four questions, he hit me on birther. he hit me on a housing deal that i settled a while ago. they were leaving all of her little goodies out. those questions were not

answerable in a positive light. i had a problem with my microphone. my microphone was terrible. i wonder if it was set up that way on purpose. my microphone in the room -- they couldn't hear me. it was going on and off which isn't exactly great. i wonder if it was set up that way. it was much lower than hers. i don't want to believe in conspiracy theories of course. but it was much lower than hers and it was crackling. john: oh no, donald trump would never want to believe in a conspiracy theory. this is what hillary clinton had to say about all of that. >> what about his stamina? mrs. clinton: anybody who complains about the microphone is not having a good night. john: ok. there is another trick donald trump likes to use when he feels he is not being treated fairly by the media. he likes to talk about the polls.

mr. trump: i think we did very well. we have won almost every single poll. virtually every poll. except for cnn. no one watches cnn though. we won the rest. cbs, slate, time magazine -- all of them. we won all of them. so -- so that was great -- john: oh, he did win all of them. especially that cbs poll which does not exist. cbs did not do a postdebate poll. and those others were in fact online surveys. the most credible of the bunch was that cnn-orc survey, which found that 62% of voters said that clinton had a better night. so mark, not a good day for donald trump. not a good night last night. do you believe at this point it would do him good politically to admit that he lost? mark: i'm stipulating between what is and what ought to be. i think, this morning, i thought he should say, it was my first time debating. i don't like how the questions went.

i will do better next time. now, i don't think so. his supporters say he won. rush limbaugh said that he won. is and asas it counterfactual as it was, i think he should tough it through. pretend it did not happen and hope it does not affect the polls. in which case, the national polls, where he can say, i hate, i did lose. john: i don't like giving donald trump advice on what to do or what not to do. again, we will talk about it more. he plainly lost the debate. there are examples in the past with candidates and campaigns -- with bush in 2004 and obama in 2012 -- with a campaign that did not come out and say, "we lost." but they have come out and said, you know, he did not have a good night. that helps with better credibility with the media. i think it would help with his credibility with the media. credibility with the mainstream media is not how donald trump advances himself politically. the big dipper is between this and 2012 when barack obama failed in denver in the first

debate, he confronted mass panic about his supporters, and it meant that he lost and would do better the next time. democrats were freaking out. trump fans are not freaking out. they saw a different debate. they think he won. are: some elite republicans not happy. what saved and why i think he does not have to say he lost there is no soundbite moment. , there are a lot of moments that i think will haunt him in further democratic ads, but there was no rick perry "oops." pulle was no gerald ford " it under soviet domination." as much as there is built up to the debate, i just don't think he has to turn the page to say, "i lost, let's move on." he can just muscle through trump-style and hope the polls don't suggest that he lost. john: i think they might though. mark: what can hillary clinton do to capitalize on this strong performance from the

debate last night. i ask you, john heilemann. john: she is doing it. she has been doing it all day today. you are right there was not a big moment where trump said a glaring thing. what he is doing though is highlighting those moments to try and keep the momentum going. particularly on the question of his taxes, where i thought her performance was brilliant, asking hypotheticals, asking questions, and having him not deny the suggestion she was making has opened the door to that issue. we saw him take debate on many -- we saw him last night take the bait on many issues and make factual misstatements over the course of the night. she and her team are amplifying those mistakes through the media. they can keep this thing alive for several more days on that basis. mark: at least on social and targeted media. my second favorite haley barbour expression, "in politics, good gets better. bad gets worse." she had a great day today. she was talking about optimistic and joking with them. just as relaxed as i have seen her in a while. she is enjoying the win. she is not gloating about it or

going over the top about it, but she is surfing the success she had last night. it has put her in a good mood. while republicans are not panicking, democrats are super happy. she knows that. john: here's the thing you can tell about the candidates -- we will talk about the campaigns in a second and how they tried to frame things, but when a candidate feels they have won and is being judged to have won, they have this look of confidence. that look of buoyancy. donald trump -- if he had won the debate, he would not be talking about the moderator or his microphone. it is a window into his psyche. he is tacitly admitting -- although he will never admit it explicitly, i don't think -- he's tacitly admitting that he lost the the debate by making excuses. she is on a bit of a roll. sok: confidence matters much. he is confident, because he always feels confident. however, she is definitely feeling a lot right now. john: more than she has had in

weeks, i would say. ok we got a bit dizzy from all , of the spinning in the hofstra university spin room last night. since then, both candidate campaigns have sent surrogates and running mates to flood the airwaves with talking points. let's take a sample of what team trump has been saying last night. >> he took her on. governor pence donald trump took : command of the stage. i think the american people saw his leadership quality. >> i was glad he was polite and a gentleman to her. particularly at the end with the pulling out of the biggest punch of all. >> i felt his restraint at the end was absolutely remarkable. she was just sort of program med hillary. >> she obviously was over prepared. she wanted to make sure we heard every single scripted moment. john: that was the trump song. now, we will listen to the tune of the clinton chorus singing very joyfully today. >> i thought hillary clinton was prepared. donald trump was incoherent. >> i think he came onto the stage grossly unprepared. it kind of unraveled during the course of the debate.

i think he disqualified himself on every level. >> hillary answered questions, and donald avoided them. hillary clinton told the truth, and donald trump told some whoppers. it really showed her off as prepared to be commander-in-chief and president. >> she came ready to talk about the future, not ready to just insult. whatever donald trump called -- whining as he was doing. >> i don't think donald trump can be president. he does not have the temperament. john: so, mark this all matters , in some sense. people make fun of spin-meisters, but these matter a lot. in terms of how the campaigns are handling things, how are they handling these cases? mark: this is an error of technical proficiency and size matters. the clinton campaign is learning from the obama template about how to aggressively get surrogates on all forms of media. they filled the space. i actually think given that the trump team is so much smaller and less experienced and playing a weaker hand, i don't think they did a bad job of creating

the impression "the red team says this, the blue team says this." the hillary clinton people did better, that the donald trump people did surprisingly well. john: they have done a decent job preventing panic among supporters. you can really tell, just talking about candidates, we covered a lot of debates. right in that spin room, the clinton campaign was out before the debate was over. they were not only arguing that she won, but you can tell that they believed it. the trump campaign came out much much later. although they somewhat, kind of gamely tried, bottom line, you could tell they knew that they had been beaten. they just had that look and the -- they just did not have that look in their eyes. mark: the clinton people were barely trying to spin. i would walk past them. just like, hey, what's going on? there was no attempt. there are happy to let the candidates speak for themselves. i will say the clinton people , are at fighting readiness. it will be interesting to see

trump does better in the next debates, but does this operation improve? there are lots of people involved that have never done this before. certainly not at this level. john: almost everyone on the clinton team has worked on a presidential campaign and been in the spin room to talk to reporters. literally almost everyone. mark: think they've had more social media communications then trump has employees. john: one of the big storylines -- the former miss universe winner. up next our story on how hillary , clinton is using the controversy. ♪

♪ john: donald j. trump and his campaign are still dealing with the fallout of the fat shaming over former miss universe winner alicia machado. she has been the last 24 hours telling her story. >> what were the names he called you?

>> ms. housekeeping, miss piggy. >> all to your face? >> yes. all the time. left, and he knows, too. he was really aggressive. he was very rude. he was a bad person with me. that is the story i need to share. for my community. we can't accept more insults for my latin community. no more. i need to share my story. i think i can open a few eyes. i can maybe change a few minds. i don't think this person is the right person to be president. john: we will talk about how the

media has been covering the story in just a moment. my question for you at this hour is whether the story is accelerating or simmering down? mark: i think the donald trump campaign can be forgiven for thinking this will go away. if we don't comment on it will go away. that has happened in the past. some of these have lingered but not quite as dominant stories. the reason why i think they may be wrong and that this will linger as a news story in a hot way -- we are in a different phase in the campaign. this did not happen at a rally this happened in the debate. or an offhanded remark to fox or an interview. this happened during a debate in a high-profile way. she is someone -- whatever flaws she might have, what donald trump said about her is going to resonate with a lot of people. i think it is still moving. and i think the jump campaign believes they can ignore it and they may be wrong. john: i said yesterday on the show, it was not to insult someone in a way that has such a resonance with so many people.

we learned 85 million people watch the debate. women, let's say. virtually all of them know someone who has had -- help with weight issues. the ones thaty know me feel that way. john: people with eating disorders, people who have been bullied. these are issues that are not political, abstract policy issues or abstract political issues. this is the grist of the culture, the kinds of things that people talk about over the dinner table every day. that is a very dangerous terrain to insult many millions of people in that way. which is why i think you're right. i think she has come across quite sympathetically in her interviews. i have not seen all of them. the ones i've seen she came , across like she is hurt. she has a right to be hurt. i do not know if the donald trump campaign is ever going to apologize to her. you saidll you, yesterday they should. i think today more than yesterday i think it would be , smart for them to shut this down by apologizing. john: to paraphrase donald trump -- i do not care if she went out and shot someone, what he said

to her was wrong and rude and insensitive. john: yes. mark: the press is not going to drop this. the clinton campaign is not going to drop this. i am not saying it is going to dominate or cost him the election, but it is wrong to think that something like this is just another person that donald trump insulted and no one cares. john a lot of people think : donald trump is a bully. you can be mean to your political opponents. you can say a lot of things and nobody really cares, but, when you start bullying private citizens, whether it is a gold star family or a judge in indiana or from indiana you are , in a different terrain. no nominees do this. mark: i will say this. the dominant meme in the campaign is donald trump and his campaign are not competent. the way this is being seen is incompetent. failure to put it down.

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mark: we are back with a man that says hillary clinton has a 100% chance of winning. that means there are no scenarios we could lay out for a donald trump victory. we will get david in here to look at those scenarios. explain to us why they are not just implausible but impossible. let's look at the first one. this is the baseline for any donald trump win. the big three are ohio, florida and north carolina. all the scenarios include the big three and iowa. let's look at the first scenario that could get him to 270. that would be adding in pennsylvania.

if he wins the big three and pennsylvania, you could concede that he would win the big three and iowa? >> no. i think i was -- the two states he is doing best in our iowa and ohio, but i still believe -- i would rather be her then -- mark: i understand, but is it impossible that he could win florida? david i think it is very : unlikely. mark: not impossible though. become more -- david: the state has become more democratically -- mark could he win north : carolina? >> yes. mark: ok, he can. put our florida dispute aside. tell us why pennsylvania is impossible for donald trump. david: it is the easter bunny.

it does not exist. he is going to walk out of southeastern pennsylvania, the three suburban counties and philly. and she is going to have north of 500,000 votes. there's numerically not enough votes. mark: has that state become more democratic has four years ago? david here's what i think. : if donald trump were a different candidate that had some appeal to suburban voters, i still think it would be hard for republicans. his problem is his northern virginia suburban problem. his denver suburb problem, his philadelphia suburb problem. he just cannot get there. could he get within two or three? possibly. john let's take a look at : scenario number two. this is the new hampshire path. you have the big three plus iowa. when you add in nevada, new hampshire -- e second district. that gets you right to 270 right there. david: i think she is going to win new hampshire quite comfortably. i think that southern teir is -- southern tier is quite

comfortable. i think with nevada the polls will be close. hours were relatively close. because of the latino vote there -- if i were to rank them, i think it is certain that she will win new hampshire. john: explain to me why -- barack obama one nevada comfortably in 2012. why is she behind in the polling there right now? david: there are polls that show 40/38. this is where i think the race is. donald trump may be at a ceiling. he is closer to a ceiling than she is. she has more vote to come in. she will win more of the undecided vote in my view. the third party vote is going to collapse, and she should get more of that. in these polls, the latino undecided vote is huge. that is why -- our own polling in nevada was never as rosy as the ultimate election outcome. mark let's take a look at three : scenarios.

we know you're going to say can happen. one is in colorado. no chance there? david: no chance. well, you are saying that this includes florida? mark: every scenario -- david: colorado, i don't see it. mark: what about the silver state and wisconsin? to be wisconsin is going a clinton state. so is michigan. the democratic strength in the upper midwest -- barack obama had unique strength there both times. i just do not see it happening . strength because of the african american vote. david: well, no. he is from illinois -- we do not have to spend much time or money out there. wisconsin was a little closer. a little closer in 12 because of ryan. john in colorado, the polling is : very close. david: one or two polls at a close, ok? 100% of at modeling out

the electorate and the aggregate of most public polls, that is going to be one of his estate. that may be one of johnson's best states. again, i think she is going to beat him with the latino vote in colorado. if you add in suburban swing voters, which i think she will gain in a dominant way. maybe even more than we won in 12 and 08. certainly more than 12. mark as you said before, the map : has narrowed. the donald trump campaign has this proposition, "we will go all in." he did do a week long bus tour in pennsylvania or wherever they choose -- basically, these combinations -- let us assume that iowa is safe. david: florida -- mark: i understand. basically, these combinations -- let us assume that iowa is safe. safe.nd ohio is david: no, i think she's going to win them both. iowa and ohio. mark: your campaign is a little less optimistic about this. let's say we get the last three weeks, and he has those pretty well.

he could basically campaign in four states. he could campaign in florida and north carolina and any other two that could get him over the top. at that point, you are running for governor in four states at the same time. he can pour money in and republican allies. david: he doesn't have much of an organization. mark: the republican party has organization. i understand, the candidate. i agree with that. in the end, you are saying now that if you look at the national map he cannot get to 270. is a impossible to say what happens if a guy that is willing to drop a lot of money can go into four states in three weeks? david no, because the product : matters here. he is a flawed product. that is again where my confidence comes in. this guy, in my view is not , going to get elected president. john so he is not going to win : all four of those states? david: no, no. i think she is going to win all four. florida and north carolina, i would much rather be her.

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♪ >> welcome back. our next guest is a writer for "newfailing and failed" york times." that is jim gutenberg. good to see you. tell me what you think of this 24 hours of coverage. yesterday, we had big coverage on who won or lost. now, we have a different storyline. talk about where the debate fallout story is going from a media point. -- media point of view. it is going in five different directions, right? we have continued fallout about a status comment about a beauty queen. we have a question of whether or not he will buckle down for his

next debate. there were gender questions. this debate did not disappoint. plus, it was also the big ratings boost. the debate got more coverage than i've ever seen in politics. mark what besides the beauty : queen storyline came out of the debate that really dominated the debate? your paper is a big story on debate prep. is that a big deal, do you think? jim: i think the debate prep this year becomes more than just a process story. it actually said something. hillary clinton in her seemingly prepared remarks -- she said she was not preparing for the debate, but she was preparing for the presidency. he clearly landed the way -- >> i like that you said seemingly. jim: it did clearly land the way the campaign is embracing it. if you do not prepare for the debate, how are you going to win the presidency?

i think that is how the donald trump campaign will prepare for the next one. i'll think that's a gimmick. i don't think that's just a talking i think they mean it. point. john: all day long in the , context of alicia machado, there are some stores that have seeped into brazilian tabloids that have been negative about her past. we referenced them glancingly the beginning of the show. have you seen thus far, any mainstream non-right outlets that have picked those up? do you anticipate that they will if they have not already? jim: i've not seen them pick it up and run with it in the same way. the donald trump campaign wants a story about this again the next morning. i do not know if he's going to focus on the things that he did well on in the debate. trade, jobs. mark the press loves a winner. : i've not seen many negative stories about the clinton since

the debate. -- about hillary clinton since the debate. about anything. a lot of negative stories about donald trump. is that bad practice on the part of the media? should we say that she won the debate, so no more investigative stories? no more asking her about her e-mails, etc.? jim: absolutely. i think what everybody has to do is what everyone has to do is take a deep breath. before this debate, the hype was that this would change the dynamic of the race. no one is really feeling that right now today. maybe give it a few days, and then we will see. everyone just needs to calm down a little bit. >> again, should part of our job be that just because she won the debate, that means that all the stories about donald trump have to be tilted in a negative direction? jim: it does not. i do not think it will. it feels that way now, but the debate was -- how many days hasn't been? >> well, the debate was on

monday. it was kind of feeling like, if you win the debate then you get a, "get out of jail free card" for the next couple of hours. jim: hopefully, it will swing back towards the center. >> true or false, donald trump is an unusually media savvy candidate? jim: the most media savvy that i've seen in my lifetime. >> so true. we know he did not prepare much for the debate. he did blow seemingly so many tv elements. so my things and he seemed to get so well before with almost a tv producer's eye. can you explain that? jim: i wonder if he was maybe, shockingly a little bit nervous? maybe he is a little human. i also think there has been so

little consequence to him getting basic things wrong. maybe he thought that he could amble through it and be ok. part of what has made him compelling this year is this hot mess quality. >> liberals are going to kill you on social media for saying, "donald trump is human." jim: i did say maybe. >> well, thank you so much for joining us. jim: i thought there would be more questions. >> no, that is it. you are great. thank you for joining us. we are going to be live with three guest on the set after this. ♪

♪ >> we have a super lineup in the studio right now. joining us now is dan and mark penn. we want to start with it clip from last night. >> he was really rude with me. he was trying to destroy my self-esteem. now, i am a voice in the latin community. mark: as a man, how do you feel about that? >> it is a personal thing that she is choosing to do. really, it is none of my business.

i'm not going to weigh in on it too much. there are some things in her background that are a bit questionable, but i will leave those to be out there. mark: what he said to her is not in dispute. a lot of it is on videotape. >> she chose to participate in the pageant. they had these interactions -- i do not think it matters. i don't think it matters to the american people. they don't care about an interaction from 20 years ago. they care about the economy, national security. they care about the women he has employed. i think the left is trying to portray him as this monster. however with this one moment, it is just a personal -- >> a few years ago, he attacked her for gaining weight. he accused her of gaining weight. >> he was not accusing her. he was just talking about what was happening 17 years ago.

>> he went on and attacked her for gaining weight. he accused her of gaining weight. >> that is not the verbatim. we are talking about a tiny issue here. do you really think that people in ohio or florida are going to vote based on this. absolutely not. john: you do agree that he did talk about her weight? >> i think you learn a lot in these situations about temperament. what is striking to me is that the morning after the debate, this did not go very well for him. his immediate response is to attack a private citizen for her weight. that is a window -- >> if you were a donald trump advisor would you say not talk about this? >> i would say that your temperament is the number one

issue holding you back from being president. just say that you, and that you and her had a disagreement, and you are moving along. i'm here to talk about taxes today and my tax cut plan. anything other than that -- i've been through a lot of crisises, and anything other than that is just ammo for someone else out there. >> it does speak to his temperament and character. >> the media wants to run with the narrative. it is being pushed by the hillary clinton campaign. if you look at donald trump's campaign, he has empowered women. kellyanne conway, she has been a guest of this show. i think this is simply not the truth about mr. trump. let's talk about his proposals and his childcare plan. it is revolutionary for republicans to want to have paid maternity leave. >> i do want to say that i am as critical of the media as anybody, but, to be fair, it was donald trump on fox and friends

that said she had a weight problem. >> the new york times said the same thing. she said the same thing about herself in that new york times interview. >> give us your overall sense of the rates and polls? how do you see her chances? >> i thought she would come out strong and clearly understanding the issues. i thought she was more aggressive than i expected. i think that aggressiveness against donald trump worked. she basically thumped him. even though in the first half hour, they were candidate to candidate. in the next half hour, she basically thumped him. >> do you agree that that her

chances of winning are 100%? >> i do not think anyone's chances are 100%. >> does donald trump need to prepare more for the next debate? >> he will be absolutely ready for the next debate. he will be absolutely ready for the last debate. >> you feel that if donald trump prepares for the next debate, in the same in which he prepared for the first debate, that he will be golden? >> we are very confident going into the next debate. if you look at the last debate, hillary clinton tried to lie to the american people about new york crime rates. she tried to lie about several issues. she was very robotic. >> who won the debate? >> i felt donald trump won the debate.

>> where is your party now in terms of comfort with donald trump and his chances? >> i think most republican leaders that i've spoken to believe that hillary clinton has an edge. she will probably win. right now, the win will not be so decisive that it will do a lot of damage on the ballot. that is anecdotal. that is what i've heard from -- >> 95% of republicans are for donald trump. in pennsylvania, 71% of pennsylvania republicans are behind donald trump. in just one week, 85% are now behind him. that is a 14% swing in just one week. mark: how potent is the message in the debate saying you're part

of the problem in washington from the last 30 years? how potent is that? >> 70% are saying that things are on the wrong track. if we are talking about the message, it might be powerful. if he does do more debates where basically his temperament gets in the way and he does not appear qualified, this thing is going to snowball in her direction. if he bounces back -- if we are actually talking about any of his points, it would help donald trump. >> we could be talking about trade. >> let me just say, there are a snowball of stories coming out of the debate. it's not substantive. >> i felt the first 20 minutes were effective. he talked about the anthropology birther is him, who called sean hannity, attacked this woman about her weight. you think he should've just stayed off those topics? >> the reason those issues came up was because that was what the moderator asked about. mark caught -- mark: constantly

in politics we are talking about we want to talk about issues. the other side wants to talk about nonsense. listen to what donald trump said just a few minutes ago out on the trail in iowa. mr. trump: all of those day offs and she cannot even make it to her car. mark so, he is back to talking : about 9/11. is that a good line? >> let's talk about this issue -- do you think it is a smart move for your boss to be impugning henry clinton's health? >> stamina is a big part of the requirement to be resident. you took one line of that speech. mark: we did, but -- >> there are a lot of lines in that speech. one of those messages is, "follow the money." mark we do not want to suggest : that is all he said today. it does go to that issue -- you come here and say we want to talk about issues and the things that are affecting the american people. you were saying that she could not even make it to her car when she had pneumonia. >> this is why we talk about a subset of issues.

we are not talking about the other things he discussed in the speech. he discussed taxes -- john he's making these types of : comments that you know are going to make the most attention. he is attacking her health. you know that. >> it is an observation. john do you want to talk about : issues or her health? >> i will talk about whatever you want, but i'd prefer to talk about the issues. >> like you, i have been involved in a lot of campaigns. typically, it is a bad sign when people like you and me come on every single television show, and i see it with not just you but a lot of surrogates for the donald trump campaign -- the explanation is that the media is to blame. that is what you have been saying. you're saying the media is focusing on things while your campaign just wants to focus on the issues. >> what i am saying is -- the next two debates, there is no way that hillary clinton will not answer for her e-mails, libya, the clinton foundation. in talking about the issues, i want to know what the corporate tax record is going to be like.

john: let me ask this question because the issue of stamina just came up. there are several people that watched the debate and felt that hillary clinton stood upright at the podium and was very strong for 95 minutes while donald trump just seemed to fade during the debate. what is your perception of the two candidates? >> she did have more stamina and it was completely ridiculous for donald trump to say that when the living contradiction of what he was saying was right there. she had a bad video. she had stuff that happened. on that day, on that moment, and even today -- what is he doing? what is he think -- he obviously thinks it is a great strategy. i do not know what poll would show that. john: would you think looked like they had more stamina on monday night? >> i really think she did. i'm not saying that because i'm biased against trump. i'm not biased in favor of hillary clinton. i just thought she was energetic and brimming with optimism. she was almost better on the attack than talking about her own ideas. i do not think she was that

effective talking about her own policies. but when she prosecuted him, it was concise, it when she asked was the sink, it was powerful. when she asked him why he would not reveal his tax returns, she -- he basically revealed that he pays no taxes -- and she listed the four reasons why someone would -- >> that is not what he said. he said that if you follow the tax code as it is written, there are ways that you can minimize the amount. >> just be clear. she said in one scenario pay no taxes and he said, that's because i'm being smart. market: i think in the literal read of what you're saying, he is right, but in the debate and the back-and-forth, i doping he meant that. i'm sure you would do the same as a businessman. i'm sure that mark does. i'm sure we all do. she had about five days off beforehand. i was with him on we flew out thursday. early in the morning. we had pittsburgh, two stops. philadelphia was three stops. on and on and on every day. it was a huge saturday.

it was in virginia. maybe she was a little more rested, because she had five days off. we are now focusing on -- >> she did not have time off. she went to school. and donald did not go to school. donald has to go to school if he is going to be president. he did noterica says go to debate school and just showed up is he going to go to , school to be president? mark what are the three things : in donald trump's favor to win the election? >> the three biggest things are that 70% of americans believe the country is going in the wrong direction. 60% think both candidates are untruthful and don't like either of them. and there are a lot of angry voters out there -- particularly white, male voters that are enthusiastic about him. those are the top three things for him. mark how dangerous is gary : johnson to her winning? >> i do not think it will be decisive. as long asthe end,

johnson is not in the debates, in the end it will fade. i do not think it will be a big factor. john are you prepared to say on : camera that you know donald trump has paid federal income taxes in the past year? -- in the past few years. but you know that? >> mr. trump has always followed all rules and regulations. >> so are you going to say on camera that he has paid them? >> i'm not his tax attorney. mark: so it's possible -- john: so far, no one from the campaign has been willing to say he paid -- boris all i know is that he has : followed all the rules and regulations. i also know he wants to simplify the corporate tax code. john: are you doing his debate prep? these are pretty good answers. >> could he say, "i tried to minimize my taxes. to me, that is being smart, but of course, i paid federal income tax over the years." what could he say that? what het is up to him

says. obviously his taxes are under audit. we have said that repeatedly. bottom line, as a businessman, of course are going to pay what the tax line says. mark: we've got to go. >> what he should have said is that, "i have paid every single cent due to the united states government including the number of taxes on my employees and properties." i mean, you know -- >> thank you, boris, thank you dan. all of you, thank you for joining us. all of you, please come back. john stay tuned. : we have more of, "best of with all due respect." ♪

mark: over the past few weeks, we have noticed that one way you can decipher how hillary clinton and her team are feeling about how the race is going. our tip is to look at the

handsome face of her traveling press secretary. fuchs in the run-up to the debate, things were not going so well billy clinton. he has been a constant presence behind her when she has spoken with the press. basically, just look at the expression on his face. see if it is either happy nick or sad nick. you can tell. generally nick merrill is behind her. just the if you're getting happy nick or sad nick. john: people on presidential staffs will try to light it was. if you look at your faces, you can do with the truth is. mark yes, just pay attention. "wiener"a scene in where the aberdeen tell someone put on a happy face. john: thanks, nick. mark: thank you for watching

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