criminal aliens who come into this country illegally, who are perpetrating violence and -- senator kaine: do you want to -- governor pence: gov. pence: i could not be more proud to stand with donald trump who stands for the right of life. and i am gentle with this because i do respect you. i have appreciated the fact that you have supported the amendment that bans the use of taxpayer funding for abortion, but that is not hillary clinton's view. we can come together as a nation, we can create a culture of life. more and more young people are we knowg life because we are better for it. like mother teresa said at that

famous national prayer breakfast, this is important. let's welcome to the children into the world. there are so many families around the country who cannot have children. haveies that cannot children can adopt them readily. we trust women to make this trace for themselves. we can encourage people to support life, of course we can. but why deal not trust women? why does donald trump trust women to make this choice for themselves? that is what we ought to be doing, living our lives of faith with enthusiasm and excitement, dialoguing about important issues. on fundamental issues of morality, we should let women make their own choices -- gov. pence: a society can be judged by how it treats its most honorable, like the unborn. i could not be more proud to be standing with a pro-life candidate such as donald trump. elaine: i have one final can --

question. senator kaine, if your ticket wins, what specifically are you going to do to unify the country and reassure the people who voted against? sen. kaine: that may be the $64,000 question. it has been a divisive campaign. hillary is running up campaign about stronger together. in donald trump, this is not directed at this man, except to the extent he cannot defend donald trump, donald trump has been running a campaign that is about one insult after the next. we do have bring the country together. here is what we will do. hillary clinton was first lady, then senator for six years -- eight years, and secretary of state. as i speak to republican senators, i hear how well they have regarded and respected hillary clinton. she was on the armed services committee and other committees. she worked across the aisle as first lady to get the chip lowram passed so that

income children have health insurance in this country, including in indiana. she worked across the aisle in 9/11 to help first responders that bravely went into the towers and the pentagon. she worked to get benefits for national guard members, including hoosiers and virginians. she has a track record of working across the aisle to make things happen. and when i was governor of virginia with two republican houses, and i have good relationships across the aisle. it is find to be a democrat, republican, or independent. but after election day, the goal is to work together. and hillary clinton has a record of accomplishment across the aisle. and that is what we need in january. elaine: governor, how will you unify the country? gov. pence: thank you elaine, and thank you. it is a very challenging time

for this nation. america's place in the world, after hillary clinton and obama, followed by an economy that is truly struggling, stifled by an avalanche of more taxes, more regulation, obamacare, the war on coal, and the trade deals that could american workers in the backseat. i think the best way we can bring people together is to change in washington, d.c.. i served in washington dc for 12 years in the congress in the united states and i served with many republicans and democrats, men and women of good will. the potential is there to really change the direction of this country, but it will take leadership to do it. seeamerican people want to our nation standing tall on the world stage again. to see us supporting our military, rebuilding our military, commanding the respect

of the world. and they want to see the american economy off to the races again. they want to see an american comeback. donald trump's entire career has been about building, going through hardship, just like a business person does, finding a way through smarts and ingenuity and resilience to fight forward. when donald trump becomes president of the united states we will have a stronger america. when you hear him say he wants to make america great again, when we do that, i truly do believe the american people will be standing tolerance. they will see that real change can happen after decades of just talking about it. and when that happens, the american people will stand tall, stand together, and will have the type of unity that has been missing for way too long. elaine: gentlemen, thank you. this concludes the vice presidential debate. my thanks to the candidates, the commission, and to you for watching. tune and sunday for the second presidential debate at washington university in st. onis, and the final debate

october 19 at the university of nevada, las vegas. from farmville, virginia, i am alain quijano -- elaine quijano of cbs news. good night. [applause] >> that and for 90 minutes of andte between tim kaine mike pence, you can see them shaking hands. they do not know each other, this is the first time they have spent face-to-face. you can see their family coming on stage. john heilemann and mark halperin coming up. a spirited conversation between the two men who would like to be vice president. people will have a lot of opinions about what happened during this 90 minutes. it is pretty clear from my gazing at sources during the debate and social media, mike pence did not lose this debate, according to a lot of people he will have won it. -- republicansay

can say they won the second debate. i would flip the coin around and say a lot of democrats would it knowledge that on questions of performance and style, pence was the better debater here tonight. tim kaine seemed over prepared, over amped, he interrupted a great deal, interrupted the moderator a fair amount, especially early in the debate. he was abrasive at times. i think he will get criticism from that, even from his allies on the left. the democrats will like about this debate is the extent he was able to push trump into the middle of it and make pence save things, deny things trump had said that when kaine would read back statements and pence with a, no he did not. giving a hug to jesse

jackson, talking to supporters in the front of the hall. what democrats will comfort themselves with, this was not a disaster, and i do not see any particular moment so will be seized on, but this is unlikely to change the polls or the trajectory of the race. but you cannot understate the extent to which democrats were looking for a template of how to make the argument. i think you will hear republicans in the next few days say donald trump, look at what your running mate did. look at his focus in preparation of performance, look at the way he brought the case against the democrats. they will want donald trump to copy what mike pence did today. he stabilized republicans and got them excited. it is fair to say, watching years,nd kaine over the this was mike pence at his best, but not tim kaine at his best. john: and republicans i think

will hope donald trump can copy some of mike pence's demeanor here, which was calm and reassuring throughout the debate. the question whether donald trump can do that or not is an open one. another thing i think democrats will take comfort in is the extent to which kaine was machinelike in which he raised issues, like donald trump's taxes. pence did not have much of an answer for that. in some cases he did not want to defend trump because he realized he could not. also on russia, another issue where pence tried to deflect rather than rise to the nominee's defense. mark: here we are in longwood, virginia, you're seeing the candidates and their families mixing with supporters. the spin room where john and i are at will see many supporters, the top surrogates. that mike pence

would come in, but his campaign feels he did so well during the debate itself they do not want to do anything to sort of mess up the confidence ty are feeling coming out of that. you are listening to and watching bloomberg politics of this vice presidential debate. also streaming live on twitter and other platforms. we are platform agnostic. john heilemann and i will listen to what the campaigns are saying. we will have guessed supporters from both campaigns and get their reaction and sense of what happens during the debate. we will be with you now for a few more minutes as we get ready to go to a break and start talking to people from both sides about what happened. in a moment after a break and talk more to reporters and supporters of both candidates. bloomberg coverage continues from virginia after this. ♪

>> we are back at longwood university in virginia where mike pence and tim kaine just finished the first vice presidential the pay. the toptelling us tweeted moment of the entire night was the foreign policy section that dealt with russian president vladimir putin. the runners-up were also about foreign policy, including nuclear weapons. said, 10:32 when pence senator, you whipped out that mexican thing again. around high point there 10:12 at the peak of the putin conversation. and the top three things, the

economy and terrorism. thankk about the impact, you for being back with me. kevin, i want to start with you. let's talk about the reaction inside the trump campaign. this'll be perceived in the media and by a lot of analysts as a victory for mike pence in terms of refocusing the campaign and the message. [laughter] >> what are they saying? >> a much-needed win inside team trump. they are incredibly happy with tonight's performance. the bottom line is this, yes, for the chum but governor pence spoke tonight to independent republicans who are not necessarily on board with donald trump. and he gave them a reason to pull the lever for donald trump and to go back and not vote for hillary clinton. he said he interpreted donald trump's candidly off-color

remarks as something the american people and independents will not interpret literally. it as aied to portray literal interpretation and he was unsuccessful because he did not have the focus to tackle it. >> let's break this down. when we look at this over the next 24 hours and 20 minutes, it is this. yes it was a victory in style and tone from governor pence. when you go back through what he said and what was true, he will get fact checked and fact checked. and he kept saying trump did not safe a -- did not say things he actually said. >> he was on defense the entire time. he may have played a really good defense for donald trump, but for so much of the debate he was responding to attacks from tim kaine. fair or not, tim kaine was driving the conversation through much of the debate. mike pence, as, was having to

rebut thing after thing the donald trump has said in the past and reframe it in a way that made it less offensive to the american public. because of that, a lot of the attention on this debate is about donald trump. and i am not sure that is a winning message for donald trump or his campaign. think he was successful in bringing the attack on hillary clinton, or was it a largely -- trying to normalize? we were talking in the aftermath, was it enough? are there voters who were actually going to decide, or will it be making it more palatable and get people behind this duo? said tonightence that it is ok not to take donald trump as a literal interpretation. i am not sure he can convince democrats. but i do want to say in terms of the defense on tax and the

defense on the trump foundation, c+.uld graded a b-, it was not keenly articulated. hard to -- iainly thought that was one of his stronger moments. we have john heilemann, and someone with him. john: thank you, i am with a congressman from texas. >> great, after this debate. sigh of relief for supporters of donald trump, tell me why. >> i am not sure it is a sigh of relief, but a moment of joy. what it says it says is, donald trump picked a great running mate. the most important decision you make as a candidate, the person that will be a heartbeat away from the president. they saw someone new cares about the plight of the common man and

common woman, someone with a command of the facts, someone and have a history of working to change washington, as opposed to hillary clinton who picked a clone of herself, donald trump picked someone who would complement it. i thought he hit it out of the ballpark. john: some people have been looking at the debate and saying he is a clone, in sync with hillary clinton. trump are and donald not necessarily in sync. he was asked a number of times on things where the two of them disagree. came --kaine came back to issues of donald trump's taxes and russia, how do you think mike pence handle them? them well.he handled i am shocked they would want to talk about russia. hillary clinton pushes the so-called russia reset button .nd russia goes into crimea

we have the worst relationship with russia since the cold war, and hillary is responsible, and tim kaine wants to bring this up? he has a pretty desperate position. john: it is the case of donald vladimir putin is a stronger leader then president obama. he tried to deny it was true. when it comes to supporting the russian people in --ding the russian people all of a sudden you look around and think, my lord, vladimir putin is on the attack, america is on the defense. then now a stronger leader president obama. it is not support for vladimir putin. it is condemning the feckless leadership we have. so you're saying bladder putin is a stronger leader for his people than president obama,

that is what you are saying? a stronger job. every american is appalled. why has russia been succeeding and america has been retreating? that is an indictment of hillary clinton's leadership. why would we trust her with the security of our families and nation, when she has done an incredibly lousy job making the world less safe. john: thank you for coming here, i know you think you guys had a good night. graduations to you for that. congratulations to you for that. we will take a republican out and put a democrat in. i will put this microphone in your hand. you are a mistress of the stick mic. no, i not, but i will try not to gesture as i normally do. nice to see you.

there is a widespread sense that mike pence had a better night and tim kaine. do you accept that? >> no, because the point of the vice president debate it to do two things, to be an effective advocate for your candidate, and to hold the key to the fire of the policies. and he did that very effectively. you are not supposed to do what mike pence did, which was audition for the next election. i think he is more interested in 2020 then he was in defending his own ticket. he did not defend donald trump on anything except and not paying taxes, and i think that went pretty badly. john: did you have a sense that maybe tim kaine was over tooared and to amped up -- amped up? have,tever outcome you there is something everyo will critique. i know coming into this, there was a big question, tim kaine is

a nice guy, will he because enough? he had a hard job to do tonight because mike pence refused to engage. he refused to defend his running mate. and i think senator kaine had to be aggressive in making the point that you are not defending, you are not going to back up your own candidate on the things he has said in the policies he has held. that was his job, what he was center to do. john: you are knowledgeable about how media reacts to these debates, there are moments to get replayed over and over. what was the best moment for your side? that will get played over and over that will be helpful to the hillary ticket? >> immigration and criminal justice, which showed the depth of understanding and what tim kaine is motivated by and cares about.

i think those were revealing moments. john: we have the chairwoman right here, donna brazil, the interim chair. step right in, donna. good to see you, madam chairperson. >> i just want you to know, i hate agree with everything jennifer just said. let me just say this, i have known tim kaine for a long time, he is the former chair of the party. i have gone -- come down to virginia many times when he was there, he was fantastic tonight. he not only defended his record in vision, but he understood that tonight was about what both secretary clinton and senator tim kaine propose to do. mike pence could not defend donald trump. he ran away from defending

donald trump on the issues. john: republicans feel as if they won the debate. given that many acknowledge trump lost the first debate, they are feeling tremendous relief. i question to you is, will this change the race in any appreciable way? or will we have more or less forgotten about it by thursday? >> before the debate even started, but for tim kaine made his opening statement, there was -- they did not win on the issues because there is no way the trump economic plan will ever add up to helping the middle class. they also had a candidate who cannot defend what i call the litany of insults that come daily from the trunk campaign whether it is on women, veterans, john mccain. had one job in one job only come in to tell the american people that secretary

clinton has a plan for the future. and he could defend her record in vision and was able to put mike pence on the defensive by saying, can do defend the indefensible, not releasing taxes, not being able to say you are sorry when you insult people, including the president of the united states when you accuse him of not being an american citizen? it was a great night for tim kaine, the democrats, secretary clinton. and we will have momentum for the debate sunday night. things have gotten worse for trump over the last eight days, a lot of pressure going into this next presidential debate. , from a republican point of view, will a decrease pressure on trump, or the stakes just as high on sunday? >> i do not want to look at my watch, but there is a certain time of the morning, the midnight hour, the donald trump

enjoys sending missives across the internet. the is, you have a candidate at the top of the ticket that is not as disciplined as his running mate. a candidate who still believes he can run a campaign by insulting people. i do not take anything for granted. it will still be a tough race, we have a lot of work to do, convincing undecided voters. we are running a campaign that is about the future, reaching people where they live, work, and pray. john: well, you're good. >> i have done this before. had one jobid, you tonight, to make the case for tim kaine. you have heard two democratic authority,eat upsetting conventional wisdom that mike pence won the debate. what you think, macon? >> this'll be the issue in terms

of substance versus style. what we're seeing is the immediate reaction that this was a win for mike pence's big knowledge meant that he came across as smooth and polished and prepared. that was a good thing. but his answer is when dissected er t next wife hours, that will be the interesting thing. the other thing we have to look at, whose mind was changed by the debate? there may be a better groundswell of enthusiasm, a very tumultuous campaign. but has he really change any minds tonight, i am not so sure. we will have to gauge that over the next week. john: thank you very much, john heilemann here in the studio live onna brazile, bloomberg television, and also live streaming on twitter before debate, -- before the during, and after. thank you for watching.

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♪ john: this is john heilemann and vicehalperin back at the presidential debate come on the one and only as we have been reminded tonight. broadcasting live on bloomberg television and also on twitter. give us a sense of how you think this went tonight. i thought mike pence did a phenomenal job. it there is a huge contrast. you saw tim kaine 64 times interrupting.