tv Charlie Rose Bloomberg October 10, 2016 7:00pm-8:01pm EDT
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♪ >> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." here.e: steve aot is he is known for his energetic and infectious sounds. he is also known for his onstage antics, that includes champagne showers. says, his music does i have a personality. .teve has a personality with more than 300 shows a year, he has been called the hardest working dj in the industry. a new documentary on netflix reveals the lesser-known dimension on the entertainer,
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the stories behind his self-made success. here is the trailer. ♪ >> performing your music and having a connection, that is the ultimate rush, and the truest of addictions. last year i cracked over 300 shows. >> he is a machine. >> steve brought a rock 'n roll attitude that did not exist. i think that is motivated by what ever where -- weird passion his father had. >> his dad was almost like a superhero to steve. record hot aird ballooning. he did not know what he was doing, he just did it. up, it was always how do i impress my father?
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>> when he became a dj he struggled. >> i did not know how to run a label. he would always a unique to get a job and do something with your life. >> and family is number three. >> i wanted to prove to him that i could be successful with music. about showingwas his that that he could uphold the aoki legacy. >> danger is your competition. >> i just feel so lucky that i am in this position, and i do not want to sleep on it. charlie: i am pleased to have steve aoki at the table for the first time. i met your father.
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steve: whenever i come here i think about him. charlie: was it the thing that ofcks deepest in usa sense desk was a sense of he lived and give it all you got? that ine instilled every waking moment when i was around him. he was the busiest man that i work ethic was insane. he is always drilling that into his kids and into me. charlie: but you have that, the same kind of work ethic. e: i feel like he taught me -- in a way he instilled this idea that you have to do it on
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your own, i cannot just handing steve chris if i hand things to you you will not understand how to survive. if i was like this is my business, benihana, i want you to follow in the footsteps, then i might not learn the survival to possiblyusiness run a company like that. instead, he said figure out what you need to do with your lives. when i decided it was going to be far different than what he expected, then he was like, ok, this is not what i intended when i said step out on your own. then i had to prove to myself and to him that i could actually make it on my own. at the tail end of his life i that i got show him to a place were he did not have to worry about me. charlie: was music part of his life? steve: not really.
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he was a basis in high school. i think he retired that because he did not see a career. , when iicked it up picked up the guitar and the base and started being in bands, i thought he would share an affinity with me. at the time he said to go and have fun with your toys and you will eventually grow up. i did not realize that this was the career path i wanted to choose. inwing that when you are this band, you not making that much money. when you are starting a label, you're not making much money. he saw a short lifespan, as far washere my career path going. just like any traditional japanese parent, he said you need to wake up and get a real and you will job not like it, but you will have to do that. charlie: you said once that if you were not a dj you would be
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dreaming of life as a dj. what is the life of a dj? steve: i guess the life i am living right now. charlie: in music? steve: exactly, making music and playing your music. it is the same thing i was doing when i was in a band. is it the performance aspect that is the most appealing to you? music sou make the that you can connect with people when you play it out. when you play to a global community, you play all over the world and you get to cb impact to el two people in spain salvador, to japan, to all over europe, to america, it is incredible having this global connection. ♪
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charlie: do you consider yourself an artists, a musician, a dj, what is it? steve: i would say it is all of the above. charlie: it is performer, creative? steve: dj kind of wraps up at all. charlie: what is the deal about throwing take at the audience? time: there was a point in where i was not doing any sort of activities on stage. when i had the opportunity at coachella in 2009 to have a
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i thought about what i would be bringing to the stage. i thought at this song, i will stage dive. at this song i will bring out graphs in the crowd. in the crowd. i was thinking of new ideas to entertain the audience. some of them stuck and summer popular. ing was something i introduced in 2011. every artist wants to bring something to the show, where it is like hey that is a steve aok thing and i want to get caked in the face. it is a defining act? steve: it makes it unique. when you go to the show you are experiencing it. you thinkell me how
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you changed electronic dance music? how did you make it become more of something? steve: i was definitely a part of a group of people that brought a level of entertainment, if you will, to the show. i brought a level of entertainment that might not have been there before. i just added more color. the production side of things, which is why people even come to the show in the first place, you have to have the music to drop people there. my goal is always to work outside of my status quo world. i prefer to work with hip-hop artist. i am working with country artists and thinkers who have not worked in the space. i am trying to find new ways to reinvent the sound and not be so pigeonholed. the sound is changing. charlie: how is it changing question mark steve: --
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changing? chain smokers and calvin harris is always being number one. it brings us more of a form to think outside of the box and not think if this will affect only on the dance floor. charlie: where do you think you are in that? you know her calvin harris is, where are you? steve: if i think, i need to write a number one hit so that i can survive, i have always survived without even having hits. that is where i feel local -- lucky. my music survives in that world. of course, we can all dream to have songs that permeate culture and are listened to by millions of people. that is essentially the goal. charlie: tell me about your social media. steve: for me it is a big deal.
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you get instant feedback. it is not always good, but i love the feedback. the feedback is a big part of the process. charlie: where do you see the evolution of all of this? are you just in the moment and that is it? steve: everyone thinks about the five-year plan. much a: it is not so plan, but how it has its own momentum and you know it is going somewhere, or headed somewhere. steve: that is the hardest thing to answer. that question is always asked. where is our music going? it is always fluctuating. charlie: but it has never been bigger, never been stronger, never been more listen to. it's moment is now russian mark -- now? have --here are artists you have reached the top of the charts. you always have that outlet and
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it is incredible that we have that. charlie: suppose somebody is watching the show right now and they are saying to themselves, what is electronic dance music? they say,mply what electronic, dance and it is music? steve: that is why it is a great term for it even though it is five or six years old. the words are very much what it is. basically it is about these producers who produce electronic dance music, and you can merge with different john russ. that is what is exciting. it is happening more and more. charlie: where you want to be next year, if you come back and do another interview. steve: i would love to come back in a year. i have my previous projects.
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we turn now to a remarkable conversation between two performers. and mikehelps krzyzewski are two of the most highly decorated competitors in sports history. phelps achievements as an olympian are unprecedented. he finished a crew that spanned five olympics and 23 gold medals. collegeas one more basketball games than mike rusedski. led to five cap in chips. he led team usa in the real olympics where he became the first national team head coach to win three gold medals. i recently sat down with michael phelps and coach k in chicago at the global summit. we talked about their olympic memories, what it means to be the best at what you do, and the strategies they have utilized to achieve the remarkable performance. here is that conversation.
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let's start with you coach k. what is the x factor? you not only have it in your life, but you teach it and share it with thousands of young basketball players. k: you expect me to give that to you right now? charlie: i want to make my life better. k: right for the jugular he went. michael promised me he would teach me how to slam -- swim. k: he has a annual you are in constant search for it. it is great players and great teams that i have had the honor of coaching. it is much more than physical. that personlly that or that team does not have a
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point of failure. they have interruptions, which knocked them back, but they will never accept failure in training, in competition, or whatever. they are just woven a certain , and ine they see -- gold, case, the old they see themselves being great. in teaching you have to help them get over those points. whether it is great heel or look ron james -- lebron james, or a number of guys that i have that , i think if i had to say one thing, they are certainly talented and all that, it is that thing inside of them.
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sometimes you have to help them .ind that all of a sudden they go past the one that they thought they had. all of a sudden there is another but in. -- button. i just want to tell you it is an honor for a coach to sit next to .im i have coached more great players because i have coached the u.s. team for a number of years, then anyone in the history of a sport. he is as great an athlete that has ever been placed on this planet. he has done it not just for one. period, it is -- for one of time. i am not just blowing smoke. [applause] he has the x factor.
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charlie: and the olympics have been around a long, long time. in ave more than anybody long, long history of the olympics, says something important. what do you think it was? along the same lines as coach says, i have been with my coach -- i have competed with my coach for 20 years. if you look at sports today, you do not find many athletes are with a coach for that long. you do not see it, right? when i was trying to think of another athlete who has been with a coach for that long, bob and i started at 11 and from 11 to about 18, he would say jump and i would say how high. when he first met me at 11, he told me in four years i could make the olympic team. i stop playing lacrosse, baseball and focused on swimming. for some strange reason i decided to trust him and four years later i made my first team
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. six months later i came back and i worked my tail off for those six months. i broke my first world record at 15. we got to 18, we went to michigan for four years, that is when i started realizing that i could talk back. i never had that before. [laughter] of played withd that a little bit. in 2006, he let me do it my way. at the end of 2006 i was not the happiest camper. 2007 and 2008 we changed it again, i can probably say today that those were the two best years i have had in my career. i just started trusting him again. of course we have our battles, but it all goes back to him pressing my brains -- buttons. we grew together as we both changed. some of the obstacles i went through, and he had to change
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how he approached me and how we worked together. that was something that i really saw over the last two years that made us work as well as we did. of mylast two years career, i could not ask for a better finish. this is what i wanted in london. i wanted closure on the sport and closure on my career. when i hung up my suit i wanted to hang it up the way that i wanted to hang it up, not -- in 2012i felt like i just wanted to get through it and i did not really care. half, two year and a years off and deciding things of my own i think help me learn a lot. once i came back and i had to do it a certain way and i had to do it his way. charlie: was he there for the struggles? --sident obama: of course michael: of course.
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he help me out through a lot of things. i went through a phase where i probably saw my father five times in 20 years. that was a struggle for me. now we are finally at the point where we are friends and we are building a friendship again. for thevery thankful things that have happened in my life that have brought me to the point where i am today. this is how life should be. charlie: and you can build the relationship. amazing to not only have them apart of my life, but a part of my family's life as well. after 2012 did you think you would come back in 2016? for him or me? one thing i would like to say. michael: we both said that. be with one him to
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coach for that long, that is incredible because you are going through different stages. i coach 18-year-olds who become 22-year-old sunday leave. when i started coaching the olympic team 11 years ago, wow, it is different. the thing that you had with your coach and something that you all the time is shared a vision. at times, like when you are 18 or something, he saw a vision for you that you could not see. relationship, whether it be business, family or in coaching, that is the thing i like the best. for me, it is not just a shared player,ith a particular it is a shared vision with a group. that in themanifest olympics a certain way, and i do it a little bit, not a little bit but a different way with my duke team.
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a shared vision is a really important thing. it is built on trust. can i ask him? charlie: if they are good questions. coach k: did you ever not trust your coach or question your coach? when i: i guess at 11, am 11 and he says you can make the olympic team in four years, obviously that is something gay kid wants to hear. at that point i was like, ok, this guy says he can do it so i might as well trust him. ever since then i think i might have trusted him. that is why i never left. he was the only one that i would swim for. obviously there were times that we but heads and i threatened to leave, but that would never happen. something that was really cool that you said, shared vision, i he washat was something probably trying to get me to see from the age of 11 where he taught me to dream as big as you
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can possibly dream. i think that is one thing that i have lived on for so long. as an 11-year-old kid that i dream of being the best ever, yeah, everybody does. it is the sacrifices that i made and the goals that i had and the things that i had to do to be able to get to that point are even have that opportunity. i think that was something he taught me at a young age. to setht me how short-term and long-term goals. i do it every year. i was talking to you about michael she that i just found. i have it hanging in my closet and i just found it. i was not very happy when i saw it. [applause] [laughter] of my goalsit one and i texted my coach and i told him the interaction my fiancee had when i was talking about it. he smiled and just said let it
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go. [laughter] michael: it ended up being really good, but i think as i got older and older, i started realizing that there were so many people that doubted things that i wanted and i believe that i could achieve. i believed that i could go into 2008 and be perfect. i hadeved that, because trained for it and prepared for it. i was getting ready to do something that nobody had ever done in olympic history. think just being able to get to that point where i believed in my hot might -- in myself that i believed it could happen, it gave me the extra edge. i would not be able to win that race by one 100th. charlie: it wasn't -- it was an important time in his life as well. wasn't he ready to leave and he saw somebody that has potential
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to be an olympic star? michael: he did, he came to intimore and he coached cincinnati, he was helping for the 96 olympics and that is when we worked together. he saw something in me, a passion, a drive that i had. i was a little kid that was in his group swimming with 18 your old that would never let me go first -- 18-year-olds that would never let me go first. i was swimming through obstacles in a lane to try to make sure i was ahead of these guys. charlie: beyond focus and the mental attitude, how much of it was your own physicality. how much of it was that you had unique qualities as a swimmer? shoulders, long arms, short legs, a kind of works. i have tiny legs. i have very small lakes. -- legs.
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i think my body proportionally was good for swimming. you see tall people, but they're sharks is different. i am 64.an is 67 and 67 inches and i am six feet four inches. charlie, if he had long legs i would have recruited him. [laughter] said about 12 and doing it until six the -- 16. one of the things we haven't common is continuity. he had the continuity of having the same coach. with the u.s. team, and so much of what you guys do is you are big on culture. the culture that you have and the continuity of that. when we to go over in 2005, there was no culture it was more
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of an arrogance that we could just win by putting 12 guys out there and we were not winning. decade, west developed a culture, not just me, but the players and everyone . i did not want to give up on the continuity, we built something really good and i wanted to take it another four years. in saying that, at west point i in an army officer -- i met army officer, he and i are really good friends and he would take over, he is an air force academy graduate. this summer, he spent a week with us in training, when we were training our olympic team to learn about how we do culture, we became very close. we look at it as, like i was saying, command. he is taking over command. in the military, we want the next guy to do better.
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he will want the next guy to do better, that is what we are trying to establish with usa basketball. he is great. i will try to help them. charlie: jerry, who brought you in, i think wants you to come and stay there and be involved in the process. he also says he wants you to take over his job. coach k: i was not hit -- i would not take over his job because he has to raise money. [laughter] coach k: i do not know how they yout, but a basketball don't get any money. you have to get into marketing agreements to support the sport at all levels. juniors, 17, 16 and all of that. he is masterful at all of that. charlie: but you are going to stay with him question mark -- him? what is the difference in coaching pros and colleges? coaching boys and boys
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who will become men. when i am coaching the team i help them cross bridges. bridges of maturity or improvement and develop the relationship. if you cross that bridge with that person, there is a bond. just like you did with your coach. in the pros, they have already crossed a lot of ridges. they have crossed some bridges that i would probably not want to cross with them. [laughter] me, or couldeve not cross with them. let's put it that way. different. in college, they have to edge tapped to me and i adapt to their abilities. in the pros we adapt to each other. we try to figure out a way where we all own it. i am sure you are trying to figure out with your younger generation. how do they own it, how can they feel it, how can they do that?
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of time with that and we include the armed forces so they can feel what it is to represent our country, and things like that. to me, continuity, ownership, shared vision, these are key things that you have to do if you are going to be really, really good. charlie: michael, you said you wanted to change. you said your goal was to change. michael: it is happening. at 15 i had this dream of completely changing the sports. both in the pool and out of the pool. point that ithat wanted the sport to have more attention. i think as a national team, we are probably the most dominating national team in the world. sport,growing up in that with things that i was able to
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see and do in that sport, it changed my life. for me, it also now, sort of being out of the pool, that is where the next chapter of my life is happening. in two thousand one i started working with the boys and girls club of america. children under the age of 14, drowning is the second cause of death. i started working with them back in baltimore in 2001. in 2008 i opened up my foundation. kids who live healthy and active lifestyles and teaching kids water safety. that is the only reason i started to swim. my mom put my two sisters and myself in the water just to be water safe. this is what it turned out to be. [laughter] coach k: not bad. michael: i guess it turned out ok. sudden parents a all over america are seeing this and throwing their kids in the pool. michael: especially the short
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leg kids. [laughter] charlie: but also what you have done is inspired kids. katie ledecky, you are her inspiration. me, this time for the olympics i felt like a dad. i had been on the national team for so long, but also sort of, i felt like my role changed on the team. you have the story of katie and i when she was 10. we have a picture together. there was another girl on the the team, ilha -- on she said she had posters of me as a kid. ryan murphy was the same thing. you had these kids that have pictures that they got as a kid. for me it was cool to see them grow up into the people that they are now. for me, i am retired and i -- i am technically not retired, but
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i have signed the papers. i am retiring, so it is nice for me to cb younger generation kind of taking over. the firstnk back to the second, i guess night for me was the four by 100 free relay. with twoe to swim rookies. i will never forget this moment. we are on the podium, right before the national anthem starts and the two rookies are in the middle. i did not really know what to do . i kind of set to them, i said guys, you are allowed to smile, you are allowed to seeing, if you want to cry, just cry. i would say probably halfway into the song i hear somebody crying out of the corner -- site of my ear.ar -- side
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and ryan just let everything go. to be able to represent your country at that level, it is the greatest thing in the world. for me, that is the one is -- one of the biggest things i will miss. being able to wear the stars and stripes and represent your country like that has been the greatest part of my career. these guys are taking over and it is such an honor. ♪
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♪ charlie: you have said before that you were retiring. michael: i will say it again. i have a beautiful baby boy any family that we are starting with nicole and boomer. im ready, and i think that this time imf actually ready. i think in 2012 i forced it. like i said before, i am able to finish micro like i wanted to. charlie: like winning the 200 meter butterfly? michael: when i saw him shadowboxing in the room, i was kind of like, what the hell is going on. wanted that race really bad after he beat me in 2012. eating able to come back and -- being able to come back and win that race, i don't often i will ever win.
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i just started wrapping my head beijing. it started around a dream of winning one olympic medal. i had that first one in 2004, i will never forget that one. being able to have this, it does not seem real. that is why it is the best ever. charlie: he talked about pride in america. at the idea of pride is positive quality. in a sense that i am doing this for something beyond myself. coach k: what we try to do with the olympic team is, each of these guys are makes, calves, and they are proud to be a part of that. americans? proudest ,o me it is our military because they not only protect in-service, they put their lives
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-- protect and serve us, they put their lives on the line. it is important for each of our guys to hear and see. the most important thing is for them to feel. if you feel, you get it in here and you own it. we do wounded warrior -- wounded warriors, we go to arlington , the chair of the joint chiefs retired, he spoke. we actually joined with the nba to help a group called tragedy assistant protective for survivors. the families who have lost a brother, sister, mother or father. each of the cities that we have played exhibitions, we did the s kid wasanthem, a tap
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with us. in chicago we did a ceremony were about 70 of them were there. a number of them lined up at half court. our whole team did and they had buttons with a picture of the person who was killed. they gave us their buttons. charlie: both of you have experienced failure. with your back and going through a rough patch. the same thing for you. .ell me about that what are the lessons to be learned from that struggle? in the sense of recognizing that part.e not all michael: for me to become the person who i am today, i found myself in the darkest possible place that any human being could possibly go. that was the worst three or four days of my life.
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sort of, not really wanting to be here anymore. for me to get to that point, it was like a downward spiral staircase. an express elevator straight down. i put myself in that. for me being there and being able to get out and learning a lot about myself and learning how i work, there were so many things that i did not want to let out. when i went through my struggles , i've literally came and i said , everyone will see the real michael phelps. that was the coolest thing for me to be able to just be myself and not worried about if i will get judged. to just be exactly who i am. it was the hardest thing in my life. honestly, i have had ups and downs throughout my entire career. if you asked me today if i would change it, i would not. charlie: you learn from it? thankfully, nobody got
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hurt in any situation, but i am able to be the person who i am today. for that, i have better relationships. i have better friendships. everything is 10 times better. i am happy almost every day. able, for great being me being able to see my baby boy .very morning is amazing just being able to travel and enjoy myself. life today is how i wish life was for my whole life. timesk: i think we all at -- have times where you are down, physically, emotionally or mentally. i go back to being a cadet at west point. there were a number of things i learned, but the two most in poor and things were failure was
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never a destination, and that you will never do it alone. you want to be on teams and be with good people. during those times, i don't know who did it for you, but that couple of times i was down, i had somebody strong enough to be able to tell me the truth. i do not think you do it alone. someone has to tell you. when i got really sick in the mid-90's, not just physically, but emotionally, my wife did that. , or ie said you either go am gone. so i went. if she did not do that, again we have been married 47 years. it is not like we have problems in marriage, but at that point someone has to be strong for you because apparently you cannot be strong for you. i tell my guys all of the time, be with good people. youwhere along the line
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will be better for being with them. in those times, that is where happened. with my wife, i have three beautiful daughters. they are not beautiful all the times when they tell me that, but they will tell me. that is alsoink something that is so true. i always felt like i could do anything on my own. pointalmost like, at that i guess i had to learn it was ok to ask for help. i think once i learned that, i was like wow, this is how life is, this is great. that was just the greatest thing. up the phone pick and call somebody and not feel bad asking for help. what is the worst they can say, sorry i cannot help you right now? coach k: which they won't. michael: yes, i think that was something awesome to learn. charlie: what are your goals now? michael: that is one thing i am excited for now because i always
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go back. four years ago i was not ready to go forward. for me continuing to change the sport, even if i am not in this what i am figuring out. i want to work more with children. if you put me, no matter what kind of mood i am in how many hours of sleep i have had, if you put me with kids, you will see the real me and the genuine me that is where i plan on doing all of my work. charlie: what is the hardest thing about winning five in c aa championships? a championships? coach k: when we coach in the olympics we have to teach the program -- pro guide that it is one and done. once you get to the medal rounds, you do not have a do over.
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look bad on the second game of the series. good all of really the time? ishink a huge thing for me that we have different teams. i have a different team every year. every year because of one and done in our sport a kid can leave after one year to go pro. we have to continue to teach our culture. we used to have juniors and seniors teaching it, i do have that this year, which i think we will be really good. a big part of it is that i have that secure, upper-class leadership. how do we maintain the culture of going after the national championship? that is what we have tried to build a two. we have done it with the olympic
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team. coulter takes over a lot of times in competition -- culture takes over a lot of times in competition. you made a number of great points. one of them was, you took pride, i don't know if you caught it, he tipped pride in the fact that it was not about his gold medals, but u.s. swimming has been a dominant. you are part of a great culture. you are a big part of the culture, but you are still part of it. when you go out there, you are not just can pedal -- competing for you, you are competing for the culture. if you can get that, we have a better chance of winning. charlie: i was thinking about the equivalency for people in this audience of doing what the live you have done. especially michael has been in the olympics for a long time.
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what is the equivalent for what michael has done in corporate america are in the world of wall street and finance? greatest company that has ever been and creating the greatest product that has ever been? or creating the most innovative financial model, or changing the way we generate the contributions of financial communities and corporate communities to the overall global economy. when you think about what the two of you have done and have done it over a lifetime. people have said to me before, it is difficult to win one, but to win 28, to win five, that is the hardest part. is the first one the hardest? where is the last one the hardest? coach k: i think each of them are. the fact when you do it the first time, you have a confidence level that you know you can do it again.
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then it is a matter of do you want to do it again. are you willing -- that is why so many people do not do it multiple times. they do not have the same hunger. that is the thing that i am saying about you. is that, over five olympics, ok how did you stay hungry? talking like a coach and son speaking of what makes him tick and trying to take that back. , so he is in competition, right? when you are on a court, you feel things. you are in a race, how do you know where other people are? really, do you also am, do you know who is swimming next to you ? michael: you can feel it.
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thes like when you are in pool, the middle lane is the fastest lane, the next fastest people are next to you. you have a sense of where people are. some strokes you can feel the splashes. coach k: that is crazy. [laughter] coach k: it is nuts, really. slashes --ling the es.ashi i just have a sense of where people are. i know if i am repaired, -- prepared, nothing else matters. charlie: 100% of the time are you prepared? michael: no. in 2008, i was probably not working out 100%. i was not at 100% in 2008.
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i probably one of those eight gold medals on about 80%. eight monthsist before olympic trials. i was in a cast two days after a it and i hadroke to figure out how to get pressure back on the hand. trials. right before and i had to do it again at 11 experience i think this time in 2016, it was probably the first time where i have gone into olympics completely giving 100%. at every workout, sleeping the right ml, doing the right things away from the pool. a couple of coaches always say, nothing good happens after midnight. i am in bed before midnight. all of those things i did before the olympics cousin i knew i had to do it the exact way. coach k: i love being in the moment of a great team or a
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great player. you mentioned that about your coach, that is why i still coach. i coach because i can be any moment of this 20-year-old guy who wants to be the national .layer of the year right now or this team wants to win its first national championship. , you have tomoment be in the moment for each of your races, right? do you understand what i am saying? asian do any official as ation?ualiz that,oach we try to teach in other words we will practice something and we have everything on tape. i might put five sequenced tape together on their ipads. i say this is how you should look. and you look good, this is how. don'tatch that, then
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watch it and watch it in your head. light at different times, visualize, this is how you should book. -- look. strong faces, your body language, it you should not just play like a great player, you should walk like a great player, you should look like a great .layer, you should act like it we actually spent a lot of time on it. it is funny because, for me i was taught at a very young age from my coach to prepared to do that. i would do relaxation stuff when trying tong down, shut every -- when i am going to bed there was a relaxation process i would go through to help me relax and sleep. i also play how my race should go, how it could go, how i don't want it to go. whatever happens, i am prepared.
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