>> it's crazy. it's crazy. the selection is crazy. est this election is crazy. anchor: someone should really write a book about this race. his first campaign event since yesterday's extraordinary, outlandish, and outright outlandish presidential debate. mike pence is speaking later tonight. the political world has been speculating wildly about how voters will react to the tapes of trump boasting about sex walks all that were published on friday, setting off a firestorm. today, we got an answer. a national poll in the field over the weekend shows hillary clinton leading the race by double digits. in a matchup, 46% to 35% among likely voters. clinton was up by just six points in this poll just last month. her lead extends to 14 percentage points, 52% to 38%. once again, a cnn poll of debate

watchers named clinton the clear victor of last night's showdown in st. louis. trump nonetheless took his own trumpian version of a victory lap. in pennsylvania this afternoon, continuing his line of attack against hillary clinton. mr. trump: bill clinton was the worst abuser of women ever to sit in the oval office. he was a predator. hillary clinton systematically attacked and discredited the victims of sexual harassment and assault. these things are not written by the media, but they are true. written by many books. these victims included kathleen willey, juanina broderick, paula jones, and there are many more. anchor: here in north carolina mike pence, after a weekend of , wavering, made an unequivocal affirmation of support of his

running mate at a campaign event this afternoon in charlotte. gov. pence: it takes a big man to know when he is wrong and to admit it and have the humility to apologize and be transparent and be vulnerable with people. donald trump last night showed that he is a big man. [applause] gov. pence: as i said last weekend, i do not condone what was said, and i spoke out against it, but the other part of my faith is that i believe in grace. [applause] gov. pence: i have received it, i believe in it. i believe in forgiveness. we are called to forgive i was -- forgive as we have been forgiven. last night, my running mate show ed the american people what is in his heart. he showed humility to the american people. anchor: also today hillary , clinton shared her assessment of donald trump debate performance with a crowd of supporters in detroit. ms. clinton: last night, when he was pressed about how he

behaves, he just doubled down on his excuse that it is just locker room banter. well, i will tell you what. women and men across america no know that is just a really weak excuse for behaving badly and mistreating people. [cheering] john: here i am in pennsylvania with donald trump and there you are in north carolina with mike pence. the debate is a little less than 24 hours in the rearview mueller. what do you think that trump -- rearview mirror. what do you think that trump accomplished with his performance last night? well hejohn: -- mark: , stopped to talk completely for the time being, at least, of the notion he should no longer be the republican nominee. he stopped as far as we can tell , today, any republican saying that they disendorsed him.

he did his own campaign team a shot in the arm of feeling like they are back with some momentum and with a chance to try to get back in this race. john: right. i agree with all of that. i mean watching trump here just , now, he had a spring in his was clearly very poignant and on a bit of a high. i'm not sure that he did anything to help his cause of winning the presidency, and we are going to talk a little bit more about that with his performance. the other thing he did last night is clear from this speech just gave with his rally, was he gave himself, he has gone in this mode where bill clinton's past and hillary clinton's role in the past, when it comes to women, is going to be a big part of the campaign going forward, at least for the foreseeable teacher. i imagine we are going to hear a lot more about it. he came in with it, ready with relish. the other strange thing, he

started out by seeming the n.aise of be he was accused of condoning and bragging about sexual assault, and talked about a man who himself has been accused of sexual assault twice. what do you think about the performance? donny: i think this collection ended friday. what he did do for himself postelection, after he loses, is 25, his 30 million followers for the new trump revolutionary network, the trump revolutionary party will be ginned up. he did not move one voter. not possibly. everything happening in this election, i am going to be talking about this a lot in the next segment, it is going to be lens through gender, and people will hear the tape in their heads, and all he did was solidify his postelection business model, whether it be a network or political party. anchor: there is going to have

to be. donald trump is going to need a lock and win to come back within hailing distance. we will wait to see for more about national and key state polling. right now, that nbc news-wall street journal poll is the marker by which trump has to do with the reality he faces. all right, the conventional wisdom today has been suggested before that trump performance last night may be halted more republicans from jolting their nominee at the altar. there has been no new defections of people saying trump should no longer be the nominee or people disendorsing trump. people ask paul ryan how a conference call with republicans this morning. cind his not re endorsement of trump but did make it clear he would no longer campaign with or defend him. ryan urged down ballot gop candidates to "do what is best for you in your district."

that caused in menomonie, donald trump, to fire off this tweet "paul ryan should spend more time on balancing the budget, jobs and illegal immigration, and not waste his time fighting republican nominees." so, john, how damaging to trump's chances is what ryan did, and the things we saw over the weekend of people disendorsing trump and saying he should step down? john: look i think that all of this, the sight of the republican party fleeing donald trump over the weekend, and paul ryan basically telling his members that it is every man for himself now, is going to send a bad message to the kind of voters trump would need if you were to become competitive in the race. let us be clear, on the basis of that nbc-wall street journal poll, donald trump is not remotely close to competitive right now for the presidency. we have got another four weeks, anything could happen i suppose. right now, he is not even close

to being competitive. and so, i think it could've been worse, but it is not good. mark: look, mike pence really did a lot for donald trump today. as far as it goes, by saying the clintons are morally flawed and their flaws are public behavior, notelected office behavior, governmental behavior, not private behavior, and emphasizing ideas. the problem with ryan's repudiation of trump is he is basically saying i do not care about trump's ideas, i do not agree with policy issues anymore, i only care about the house republican agenda. that is dangerous because trump and pence believe they can simultaneously attack bill clinton and hillary clinton and talk about ideas, things like judges, etc. donny, how damaging do you think paul ryan's statement today is for trump in terms of getting some momentum back. donny: zero damage. you have two candidates with 100% brand awareness. very clear personalities.

endorsements on either side are almost irrelevant at this point. i want to be clear about one thing at least from here. donald trump spent a lot of his days attacking free trade and entitlement reform. you wonder why paul ryan does not want to have any part of donald trump on the question of ideas. that is part of the reason. they do not agree about much of anything at this point. i think he recognizes that trump is almost certain to lose now. a number of trump's attack lines last night at the debate came from hacked hillary clinton e-mails revealed via wikileaks. include any mortal attack. it did include campaign discussions about how to attack bernie sanders during the democratic nomination contest as well as e-mails, saying some unflattering things about chelsea clinton. the documents portend that more leaks may be in the offing in the days ahead. in st. louis last night clinton , chose to play it pretty safe

when she was faced with accusations and attacks on the front of her e-mail. she did not spend much time hammering away at trump. she resisted rising to the bait. she was playing the four corners offense. given more often over surprises ahead, mark, especially in relation to the e-mails, do you think this is a winning strategy for clinton? mark: well the bar is really , high. clinton and herself and her team work in a coordinated and well-trained practice in responding to disclosures and october surprises. they are not in as much danger as trump. trump is susceptible to these things. the clinton team knows how to deal with him. hillary clinton herself does. i think playing it safe is probably the right thing for her to do. when she takes risks she is not , always the best performer. i think it is going to take a big disclosure to be a problem. donny, do you think sports metaphors come into politics all the time, do you think four corners offense, i say proudly

in the tar heel state, is the right move for hillary clinton order she needed to keep taking chances to make sure she does not blow it? donny: let us say she fired back at trump about what she was saying about her husband. the story today would have been about that. the story needs to continue to be about donald trump and donald trump and winning. what she needs to do is continue this rope-a-dope strategy. i think it was very deliberate that she did not respond. they need to run out the clock without seeming defensive. let trump continue to define the election. he is unelectable in his current form. anchor: the closer we get to election day, the closer, go ahead. donny: no, go ahead. finisher statement. go ahead. mark: the closer we get to election day, the more you're going to hear from the old clinton classic playbook that this stuff is coming out because they are trying to deal the election, take the election away from you, they want this election to be about my yesterdays. they want it to be about your

tomorrows. we heard in 1992. the clinton people will trot that out for sure the closer we get to election day. anchor: trump, three times a day, said we do not want to let this election yet stolen from us. you're going to hear similar claims coming from both directions. look, right now, donald trump is in the 30's. he is in the 30's, and the performance he gave here now, on the debate stage last night, were performances designed to rouse his base. his base can be as roused as all get out, but if he is in the 30's, he is not in hailing distance. of being able to win this election. this strategy is a great strategy to make the base feel good about him, but not good strategy to win. mark: it is going to be interesting to see when the campaign itself gets their own polling data back during this week and republican groups who they share data with sometimes properly, sometimes not, it is going to be interesting to see change.

next, we are going to break down last night debate with the great donny deutsch after these words from our sponsors. ♪

anchor: welcome back. we have been going over the tape from last night debate with our imaging branding and analyst, the great donny deutsch with us from our new york studio to break out the most memorable moments. donny: i want to start with the moments trump launched direct tax at hillary clinton during the debate. take a look.

mr. trump: if i win, i am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation. ms. clinton: it is good that someone with the temperament of donald trump is not in charge of the law in our country. mr. trump: because you would be in jail. believe me she has tremendous , hate in her heart. anchor: let me from everything. this is not about gender, about politics, this is about gender. what people saw about donald trump on friday informs everything. now, they heard a man as a sexual predator, as a sexual assault or whatever it is, and now, on stage, telling hillary clinton he's going to put her in jail. attack mode. that continues to take him down the drain. every woman, not every woman, women in america were sitting there like this. those things they heard friday did not go away at the debate. mark thoughts?

, mark: my intuition is the same as your's. i want to wait for data and see. these are all complicated issues. i thought that the fact that he denied the behavior and claimed it was basically blustery talk only under repeated questioning from anderson cooper, and had not done it previously, i think a lot of women are going to look at that and say "come on." donny: this is year 60 of the feminist movement. they are not going to move backwards. the next thing i want to highlight is how clinton chose not to take the bait, it deflecting conflict, not getting down in the mud. take a look. ms. clinton: so much of what he has just said is not right, but he gets to run his campaign any way he chooses. he gets to decide what he wants to talk about instead of answering people's questions, talking about our agenda. when i hear something like that, i am reminded of what my friend, michelle obama, advised us all.

when they go low, you go high. mr. trump: what about the other 15,000? >> please allow her to respond. she did not talk when you talk. ms. clinton: that's true. i did not. mr. trump: because you have nothing to say. ms. clinton: i am going to try not to in this debate because i would like to get to the questions that people have brought here tonight. ok, donald, i know you are in the a diversion tonight, anything to avoid talking about your campaign and the way it is exploding and the way republicans are leaving you, but let us focus on the issues people care about tonight. donny: once again, lense against friday, i think hillary clinton made a very wise decision. i am not going to be punching back. i actually want to appear like a victim on stage. i think these things relate. the viewers did not take in, here is the debate, here is the billy bush thing. here is that this. culating at the same time. she looks more empathetic than she ever did before. she has this man hovering at her and laying back.

john, thoughts? john: well, you know, i thought , donny there were a couple , moments, the abraham lincoln thing, a few things that were small missteps. by and large, you are right in if you'rethat if you're watching someone self immolate were watching someone dig a hole, you have got, the right strategy is to let them keep digging. i think she felt like the first debate really worked to bait donald trump. in this debate, he had already baited himself in some ways 10 years ago when he made the comments that became so damaging to him over the weekend. she did not need to do a lot more than just let him play out. donny: ok. there were some unforgettable visuals from the debate. know whatnot seem to to do when he was not speaking, and time to just hovered, i would say, creepily, behind clinton while she answered audience questions. everyone was watching bill

clinton as trump rehashed old claims of sexual misconduct as his accusers sat inside the debate hall. i thought the gymnastics of trump were stunning, given the things i just mentioned. the fact that he was literally on her, you almost felt uncomfortable, at home. a verbal, strategic, and fiscal hovering, i am going to use the word predatory again. i think women in america were going like this. i could not believe what i was seeing. did either of you guys feel what i was feeling? mark: i think the director did not do him any favors. the way they took that shot, i think highlighted the kind of spatial relationships so it was slightly distorted. i also think, i may be wrong about this, but most of the time when he was hovering behind her, , she had walked over into his face and he just did not walk away and clear the shot. he did not initiate that spatial relationship, he just ended up there because she worked over. donny: i mean john, i am watching -- john: the bill clinton

reactions, they belong in the smithsonian. donny: john i am watching this , literally as he is following her around, i mean, we know women, i had a daughter watching with me and she was getting creeped out. am i overstating this? john? john: what it showed here is that donald trump did more, he did more debate prep for this debate them first one, but the kind of debate prep he did not do is the kind that revolved around this choreography. it was one of the things, a week before the the debate, i said, this might be a problem for him. it turned out to be a problem for him, i think for sure, and it just is not a good look. there are other more damaging things than that, but i did not think it was well executed on that front. mark: all right, donny, thank you for taking us through that. we will have more from the in north carolina, john in pennsylvania, the day after the debate, when we come back. ♪

mikeuld you prefer if pence were at the top of the ticket rather than donald trump? >> no. >> no chance. >> i think mike pence is right where he needs to be. >> he is not a career politician. he has not been in the white house. he has not been in congress. he is not even a senator. he is fresh and clean. >> do you think donald trump won the debate? >> yes, i think he did. >> absolutely. >> donald trump destroyed her. >> he body slammed her. >> i think he landed a lot of good punches. >> it was not even close. he called her the devil. we all know that is true. >> he gave us the opportunity to possibly get justice for hillary's criminal activity. >> trump is the only one man enough to stand up and tell

america the truth. >> so, those were some donald trump/mike pence supporters. the vice presidential candidate is scheduled to speak later this evening. john: last night, there was a lot of mixed reporting about how the pence camp was feeling about how donald trump treated him on stage. he kind of threw him under the bus a little bit and distanced himself on policy with respect to syria. give me your sense both what it is like on the ground and what the attitude is toward the ticket in pence world? mark: if you look at mike pence's three cable interviews this morning, and you look at the events he did in charlotte today he gave a speech and took , a few town hall style questions. he could not have done more of what the donald trump team would have wanted than what he did. this is after a weekend of public anguish, forget the mixed reporting of what was going on behind the scenes. publicly, he put out a statement

saying let us see what donald , trump says about the access hollywood stuff out the debate. he satisfied him completely. mike pence basically said donald trump is a flawed human. hillary clinton is, too. her flaws relate to public life, and donald trump's is private behavior. he says donald trump would be better for america. in some ways, i think in the end, pence's anguishing publicly over the weekend allowed him to be a stronger surrogate testifying on behalf of donald trump. he rated trump's performance probably more than either of us would in saying he was contrite, and that was a clean bill of health for mike pence. we are going to talk to paul ryan advisor dan senor right , after this. ♪

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debate last night? >> when he said she would be in jail when he was president. >> you would be in jail. >> you would be in jail. >> hillary clinton has been in washington for 30 years. >> 30 years and did not do anything. >> what do you think was clinton's worst moment? >> she told that giant lie about abe lincoln. >> that abraham lincoln did the same thing. abraham lincoln. >> she seemed real flustered when he brought up the rape allegations. >> the way she handled the last question, she did not give trump complement. >> are you satisfied with the way that trump has handled the video? >> people make mistakes and it is good he is asking for forgiveness. >> i have said worse. men talk like that, period. >> alpha male guy talk. >> those were some trump supporters here in a bridge, -- ambridge, pennsylvania for the rally that i just attended, expressing it pretty clear consensus on the highlights and

low lights from the debate last night. joining us now is the one and only dan senor, former adviser to mitt romney and current advisor to paul ryan. dan, it is good that we have you here today. given that the speaker, informal, but nevertheless advisor, given the speaker was in the news today, so, paul ryan says to his members, he says, number one, i am not going to retract my endorsement from donald trump, but not going to defend him, argue for him, or campaign for him. you all basically should do what you need to do to save your skins. tell us about the thinking that went into him coming to that place? dan: well like many republican , leaders, the speaker was pretty repulsed by what he heard from that audio recording over the weekend. and he felt that this was different than a lot of things we heard in the past. and so he had that reaction, , that very strong reaction, and basically saying, i do not want to be a part of the truck presidential campaign. he has got that sort of one

equity. he has got to balance that with another equity, which is that he is responsible for keeping house republican majority in majority position. in fact, it is the last check against if hillary wins and wins big, which looks increasingly likely, then she is probably going to take the senate with her. the only thing standing between a clinton presidency and clinton overreach, and some hope for normalcy, is the house majority. he is telling his members, do what you have got to do to help us preserve this majority. and those are the two equities he is balancing. >> if you're going to go that far and say, i do not want to be a part of the trump campaign i , am appalled by what has happened. i do not want to campaign for him, i will not defend him, and i will not say anything if you want to run away from him. why not go the last mile and withdraw his endorsement? what is stopping speaker ryan from going all the way? dan: well, look.

this is my view. there are a lot of republican voters in a lot of districts you -- who are trump diehards. they are going to be with trump through thick and thin. i think there is a sense among some in the republican leadership that if they are at war with trump along the lines that you just articulated, they are at war then with those republican voters, trump voters, and in some cases, that could mean the difference between certain republican members hanging onto their seats and not. and so, i think speaker ryan , felt he made his point. he is donald trump. he is done campaigning with them, done defending him, he is not going to appear with him. she is done. -- he is done. he is not going to get into an open worker situation with trump if it means risking republicans being able to that open warfare situation with trump if it means risking republicans. >> dan i want to understand what , is going on from a sociological point of view.

i have asked you questions like this before in the context of people who have been never trump, and those who have not. you have people who repudiated trump, said he should not be the nominee or took back their endorsements. there are some saying trump should not be our nominee. what is causing some people to say that, and other people who may be repulsed, but are not withdrawing their endorsement or questioning whether trump should be the nominee. dan: look, i think some people are just making a gut reaction. i have not spoken to john or rob portman. i have spoken to other members. i have not been in touch with either of them. in those cases, it was probably a gut reaction. it did not feel right. this felt different and they had to do something different. i think other members are making the following calculation. there are some republican voters in my district or my state who are so repulsed by trump in this election that there is a good chance they will stay home. if they stay home, that hurts

down ballot. another group of republican voters that are so energized and loyal to trump that if we go to war with trump, they will take it out on us. so, which pool is bigger and more important? i think certain members of congress are making that decision. as to what it means for the republican party, just consider this. today, a couple of senior republican political leaders, were asked the question "is what donald trump said in that video, that recording, the hot mic, talking about forcibly grabbing a woman's genitals against her will, is that considered, does that qualify as sexual assault?" you had republican politicians saying they did not know, could not comment on that. to me, this is a taught aiken -- iken moment from 2012,

where this is what our party has been reduced to. we have been reduced to senior leaders in our party not being able to say, yes, regardless of whether trump did those things, what he said he did, the description of that act, that act is a sexual assault. and so, it is disheartening to watch republican leaders from across the board here, you know, being put in that situation. i mean this is the carnage that , trump has left behind or will leave behind. >> dan, real quick just a few , moments, does donald trump have a chance to get over 45% of the popular vote or do you think he has now got a ceiling because of the last couple of weeks? dan: i think he has a ceiling. -- one saw one paul that poll that one in four republicans think trump should not be the nominee. if you are four weeks from election day and one in four of your voters do not believe you should be the nominee -- the new standard was, can he do

well enough in the debate that he can still continue as nominee, that he will not be dislodged? last night was about reassuring his base and voters. that is what the next three weeks are going to be about. they are not going to be about building any kind of coalition that can win. not even getting into 45%, 48%. >> dan, it looks to me like donald trump is doing exactly what you said and also is going to be perfectly happy trying to take a lot of republicans down with him, including on the base of his tweets today, taking paul ryan down as well. we will see what happens with that. thank you for coming on the show. we'll be back with some campaign "strategery" talk. after this word from our sponsors. ♪

>> welcome back. we are joined in our new york studio by democratic strategist liz smith, who was deputy campaign manager for martin o'malley's run for president this cycle. she is the director of rapid response for barack obama's reelection campaign in 2012. also with us from came with, massachusetts, manager for carly fiorina this cycle, sarah flores. sarah, i want to start with you. tell me what your topline impressions were of the debate last night? sarah: i do think trump stopped the bleeding. the problem is, he had already lost six pints of blood before the debate started. the first 20 minutes were rough. it was the slip of last time. i thought that he won the first 20 minutes last time. this time, i thought he was the winner of the rest of the debate. the problem is it did not matter , this time. this was his last chance to make a positive impression to win over new voters.

he left not changing the map. that was the only goal he really had. >> it does not matter because he is dead politically? a lot of strategists said he was a dead man walking when he came onto the debate stage last night. he is still a dead man walking. he is a dead man. is that right? is that your view? sarah: i think that is right. the trump campaign manager must agree. this lighted on fire strategy is certainly untested. [laughter] john: right, ok. , as you watched today and what paul ryany, said about his members, saying the things he said, not going to defend him, going to go do everything negative he could do shy of disendorsing him and telling his members they should save their skins. you looked at that and thought what with respect to democratic prospect in the house and the senate? lis: well. i thought a lot of things. i think it is a good sign for demographic as it shows they are

concerned he is going to be a big drag on the ticket. look, to continue sarah's metaphor, you know i think, at , the end of the debate last quet,, he put on a tourni stopped the bleeding, but donald trump ripped off that tourniquet today by starting this civil war with paul ryan, and i think we could see some of the bleeding and some of the loss of support start again now that he had started this divisive campaign. you know it is almost like , donald trump has decided, if i am going to go down, i am taking the rest of the party with me. look as a democrat, i am fine , with that. i think that the clinton campaign should take advantage of that situation. turn their focus away from donald trump and start campaigning with democrats in close races, where she can be a help, and make sure they tie the republican candidates to donald trump. and, you know if she does that, , there will be more democrats

supporting her, more democrats in congress, more democrats in the senate, and one democratic -- and more democratic governors. governors help determine the makeup of the congressional line in 2022. sarah: i actually disagree with that. i think this is extremely bad for hillary clinton. you know, if you are a president who wants to mandate going into the white house, you want a strong opponent you overcome. voters do not think she is trustworthy to begin with. electioning to win an that she had to win by default anyway. she is going to go into the white house without a mandate, it does not look like she will have particularly long coattails heading in there. a lot of republican senate candidates are running seven, nine points ahead of donald trump. hillary is not helping her down ballot. she is going to go in as potentially, the least favorable, least trusted president on inauguration day in the history of american politics since we have been running the data.

so, that makes her a weak incoming president and very likely a one term president. lis: you can't say that today, but remember mark foley in 2006? things can turn on a dime. so i say, wait and see. ,john: so i want to ask you guys , both in question as a political strategist and a woman. this is a question i think you are going to agree on. sarah first. putting aside the politics of it, were you offended by the tape that came out of donald trump? the hot mic take that came out on friday, and the things that he said? do you find that offensive personally beyond the political implications of it? sarah: yes. lis: john: do you find it problematic? lis: i find it deeply, this viscerallyreally --

offensive, and i think any woman who watched it did. this is the thing. any guy that brags about committing sexual assault probably has committed sexual assault. john: so you guys are in agreement about this? i assumed you would be. donald trump, in this building right next to where i am sitting right now, in pennsylvania, went further even that he did it even yesterday, laying out the case he has been dying to make for months, which is that bill clinton was guilty of serial abuse of women for years and years and years and years. there are many instances of it, and that hillary clinton is complicit in having intimidated those women, dismissed them, and complicit with her husband. just tell me both as women, and then also has political strategists, what do you think of that as a gambit on donald trump's part? sarah: first of all, it is absolutely true. we can have two horrible people running for office of presidency at the same time, and we are running that experiment right now. i absolutely think that both

have a enormous amount of -- both sides of this ticket have enormous amount of shared blame on this issue. that being said, two wrongs do not make a right. just because bill clinton did it, does not excuse donald trump for doing it. just because of the clinton went after his accusers does not excuse donald trump from bragging about it. politically, does it work? we could have run the experiment with a different situation. donald trump already went into this losing. he needed to gain ground. he needed to change the conversation to do that. so i do not think we can know , whether it would have been effective. it will not be effective now. lis: i have got to agree. i do not think it is an effective strategy at all. it is not an effective strategy at all. it is just going to make her seem more sympathetic and rally women of all political stripes to her side, and the only people i can see this appealing to our -- is the clinton derangement syndrome weighing in the republican party. it is offensive to women that this idea that she should have to pay for her husband's sins.

it is a big tactical air on her -- ever on his part -- error on his part. sarah: you would agree that if you saw the video offensive from donald trump, you saw bill clinton's history offensive as well? lis: yes, but that was something you dealt with 20 years ago. i just referred to bill clinton's sins, but that was something we litigated 20 years ago. we have played it all out. we had this discussion and it has nothing to do with hillary clinton. hillary clinton is running. bill clinton is not on the ticket. john: ok. lis, sarah, you guys are both fantastic. we are grateful for you being on the show. i want to get the two of you on our set with kellyanne conway. i want to hear you discuss the same matter because i think it would be a fascinating discussion. she clearly disagrees with you. and so does donald trump, obviously. thank you for doing the show. we'll check in next with a reporter covering hillary clinton herself on the campaign trail today. when we come back. ♪

anchor: hillary clinton was today in detroit, michigan, where she spoke at a voter registration event. msnbc local correspondent kasie hunt was there and joins us from the motor city. i know we had a hillary clinton on stage at the debate, and a slightly different hillary clinton on stage today in detroit. tell us about those different hillary clintons. kasie: hey, john. if you saw last night that hillary clinton was determined to come across as not rattled by what donald trump had done, and who was kind of sober and careful in tone, a little bit. subdued, you got the angrier,

more in-your-face, he should have spent last night apologizing hillary clinton here today on stage. i think to a certain extent, , there are democrats who wanted to see a little bit more what we saw today in detroit from her on the debate stage last night, but i do think that her campaign has been very focused from basically from the point that those women walked out with donald trump at the press conference to this morning on the plane and to even, as others were talking to reporters here in detroit, that hillary clinton was not rattled by what happened. they were trying aggressively to send that message. there was a point this morning when they thought, ok, donald, it is clear the consensus is emerging that donald trump did stop the bleeding with the second half of his debate performance, but then of course, paul ryan came out and talk about this, so the clinton campaign is back to feeling like they are in a good place in the news cycle. john: right. so there is two pieces of good , news for them today. one of them is all of the stuff going on with paul ryan and him

sort of cutting trump lose even if he did not disendorse him. the other is the wall street journal poll that puts trump in the mid-30's. they must be feeling pretty good about those two developments in the wake of the debate. kasie: i think there is no question about that. i think, you know, there was a period of time before this tape came out when the clinton campaign was enjoying their postdebate bump in the polls. when you talk to them privately, they said, all right, we have to work on setting expectations for another dip, we have to make sure people understand there's cycleto be another where trump is getting it back together. i think it is clear that with this polling, things are very strongly moving in their direction to the point where i am not sure if this is going to happen again. there is a level of risk when the expectations are as high as they are. i think they believe, once was i

-- one i talked to today, believe that gap is not going to materialize to that degree on election day, or that is not where they expected to land. i do think, you were talking earlier about down ballot races. i think they are at the point where they are going to get pressure, potentially from , democrats to do more than they are doing to help those candidates. i think they are going to resist that pressure. i think they believe that the best thing they can do for their down ballot candidates is move those national numbers as far away as possible and turn it into a wave. i think they might get pressure to act otherwise. john: there are two other things that happened today that they might find a little daunting. one is here in ambridge, donald trump really weighing heavily into the notion that he is going to keep talking about bill clinton's sexual misconduct 20 years ago and hillary clinton 's complicity in it, and the wikileaks, another set of e-mails getting dropped. which of those two are they more concerned about, having to be fighting on the sexual front or

the possibility of some real surprise in the e-mail document dumps? kasie: i think the e-mails make them more nervous simply because you cannot control what you do not know, so it is unclear what might be coming in those documents. i think they feel they have gone -- they have gotten some backup from the u.s. government and this idea that donald trump has been told by the intelligence community that russian hacking is behind some of this, so maybe they can take some comfort in that. but i do think that is probably the more stressful thing. i think she has been dealing with bill clinton's sexual past for the entirety of her time in public life. and i also think they feel like it generated, you saw this around the polling along her popularity numbers when she was first lady. when this was at the forefront, people were more sympathetic to her. i am not sure that that is how it is going to play out necessarily with her as the person at the top of the ticket, it certainly is possible. john: all right.

thank you for doing this show today. we will be back real soon, and we'll also have all of you back real soon. ♪

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