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john: november 28. that's not actually election day. happy hump day, sports fans. alex wagner with me tonight on our show. we will have an evangelical exploration, a russian sub plot, and, of course, time travel. on the day when hillary clinton is talking in three bright red states, donald trump trickling down on his crooked hillary motif. trump and his team have been hammering away on this message the past 24 hours, but the candidate has also been directing a stream of even more crackling fire towards his own party, again suggesting that a d.c. insiders conspiracy is afoot. trump: the shackles are some of the establishment people that are weak and ineffective people within the republican party --

senators and some others and paul ryan. they do not give the support that we need. i think we should get the support and we do not get support from guys like paul ryan. he had a conference call with congressman, and they practically rioted against him on the phone. one person stuck up for him. >> already, the republican nominee has a massive disadvantage. especially when you have the leaders not putting their weight behind the people. that paulou think ryan would call and say, "good going?" front of just about the largest audience for a second night debate in the history of the country. you would think they would say, "great going, don. let's go. let's be this crook -- let's beat this crook." help from ourttle

very weak leadership, we would be sailing like you have never sailed before. john: congressional surrogates for donald trump reportedly manager andampaign pleaded that the donald stop. yesterday on this show, we had a donaldng talk about it trump slighting his own party is a strategy that will be a winning one for him, but the question i have to ask you today is what do you think the broader implications for the republican party candidates up and down the ballot -- what are the implications for them? i think the implications are sowing the seeds of a bitter harvest. if donald trump loses, which the polling at this present moment 20-odd days before the election says he will, there will be a massive amount of finger-pointing, and what he is doing now will exacerbate the

tensions and acrimony tenfold. you saw after mitt romney's loss in 2012, there were divergent schools of thought. he was not conservative enough. we did not get the right support . he does not have the base -- whatever. -- because the break happened before the election, the notion the wagons have circled up and there could be a tribal gathering that will result in a new, reshaped, better, stronger republican party's fallacy at this point given where we are today. john: i'm going to go a little more medium. talk about this very good story in "the new york times" today, what is going on with the down who areepublicans looking at trump attacking paul ryan, looking at him attacking john mccain, looking at him attacking the whole republican power structure and they are freaking out because their view is and the posters and

thategist around them wench from does this, he is hurting himself because trump needs all the publicans, but if he is trashing republicans, that will not help. college-educated suburban voters hearing this, their attitude is going to be there not going to vote for trump and they will just stay and not vote for pat toomey or kelly ayotte, so they are worried about turnout, that trump is going to drive away the boat they need to win their races. we have seen this panic happening all week. that is a large part of it right now. theyare worried not just will have to deal with his controversial statements and figure out how to navigate that, but that he will hurt them by driving away voters, keeping them home that they need. >> i also wonder what the calculation is in terms of coming out with your disavowal at this point. does that even when you -- it's

october. they have had moments like this through the campaign. arguably, this is the worst week for the trump campaign, but still, a republican voter looking for a principled stand against trump, is taking the stand at this point in time meaningful? john: there are 27 days left. there's a chance for donald trump to say or do other things that you will have to deal with one way or another. either disavowal or not, but you have to figure out your strategy. things could get a lot worse. >> how was the republican party responding to post-debate donald trump? it's complicated. a number of gop officials publicly broke with their party nominee and said trump should leave the ticket. apparently some of them have now had a change of heart. days ago, the third ranking senate calledthe for trump to step aside and called the things he said in 2005 about women "more offensive

than anything i've ever seen." yet today, he's ingested he would still vote for donald trump, telling "the rapid "i'm certainly not going to vote for hillary clinton," and he was not the only one. others are sticking to their guns -- for now. the latest republicans to hurl themselves off the trump train went as far as to quit their positions in the party. of all the republicans that now have renounced trump, there is a fork in the road. to stay as someone who has not endorsed him, to re-endorse him? where do they go from here? john: he said these things, the tapes came out, you went out on the weekend and said, "this is

disgusting and disgraceful" -- which it is -- "and i can no longer tolerate endorsing donald trump. he has to get up the ticket." lasthas happened in the 72, 96 hours that makes you think that whole thing last weekend, not a big deal? profiles in are anti-courage but also stupidity. it's not that they are being cowardly. alex: they are revealing themselves to be politically craven. he clearly becomes a craven political decision. the idea that you are going to , "this is so wrong and morally reprehensible" and within the same week turnaround

and say, "but i still am not resending my endorsement." john: i think you will see more of this. if trump starts to rise in the polls -- we do not know yet. we saw him take it up over the weekend where there has been limited polling data that suggests he is maybe starting to stabilize a little bit. but if he starts to creep up to 41%, 42%, 43%, the republican party has been totally craven altogether. foremost among the myriad trump supporters put in the opposition evangelicals, christian conservatives forced to choose between voting, as they almost always do, for a republican candidate, and on the other hand, donald trump's usreamingly in pious -- impio behavior.

some have stuck by the republican nominee so far, so donald trump was in friendly .erritory >> i was asked on a television program the next morning how i as a christian could move beyond those moments and except an apology, and i was happy to explain that to the television host. i said as a believer, we are called to aspire to live godly lives, but also, we recognize that we all fall short. not about condoning what is said and done. it's about believing in grace and forgiveness. as christians, we are called to forgive even as we have then forgiven. john: not all in a jell-o goals agreed with that sentiment. the executive editor of "christianity today" magazine wrote a scathing editorial about trump in its latest issue saying are part ofality

trump's like continuing that he is an idolater in many ways. he wantonly celebrates strongmen and takes every opportunity to humiliate the home herbal and shows no capacity to learn and is in short the very embodiment of what the bible calls a full. alex: but what do you really think? john: seriously. "christianity today" who knew? on election day, what is the story going to be? is trump going to have the normal evangelical turnout? going to losehe's a lot of evangelical women in the way he will lose a lot of women overall. some will stick with him on the singular basis of the supreme court and their desire to see roe v wade overturned, and that, for them, is enough of an issue,

a signature issue, a flag-planting issue that they stomach the rest of it and pull the lever for trump, but i do think you will see divide between men and women. john: there was a republican congressman last night talking who was asked if you would disavow donald trump if he came out and announced thishe enjoyed rate, and congressman basically said he would have to think that over. i find it incredibly puzzling. i understand christians care a lot about the supreme court and a lot about roe v wade and have a commitment to end abortion in america entirely, but i find it amazing how blithely many of them hear the things trump has said and admitted to come up posted about, talked about, and seemed to pretend he has in some way genuinely sought forgiveness or grace. i find it incredibly weird that

they do not even seem to be struggling with the moral implications of backing this guy who has done so many things that according to their theology are just sinful. alex: the indication of grace is a powerful concept in the christian faith, so we shall see. coming up, wikileaks strikes again. we will discuss how the clinton campaign has been responding to these disclosures when we come back.

alex: for the third day in a row, wikileaks has posted more allegedly hacked e-mails from the inbox of clinton campaign chairman john podesta. one item getting notice appears to be communications from clinton's director of communications making fun of

conservative catholics. for the third day in a row, the clinton campaign is responding to these leaks by calling them an attempt by russia to meddle in american politics. russia's foreign minister today denied accusations that his country was involved in the e-mail hack, but yesterday, podesta cited an fbi investigation and told reporters there was a reasonable evidence that trump's longtime associate roger stone had been giving the trump campaign manager and notice of the wikileaks e-mails. the clinton campaign is both an act of political deflection and a legitimate argument. how is that strategy working out? john: it is not doing anything to stem the discussion of these e-mails. they are everywhere, right? say are basically trying to , "pay no attention to the substance of what is in these e-mails. focus on the fact that russia is trying to meddle in our democratic process.

i think we should be concerned that by all accounts of the intelligence community, russia is trying to meddle in the democratic process. as a matter of trying to spin the tide of discussion, i do not think it is working at all. i think it throws back on us in of press a high standard examination of some of these stories to try to figure out if they belong on television and in print because, you know, a crime has been committed here, and some of these e-mails are dubious, insignificant, trivial. some of them may have been doctored, but everyone is being a little bit too cavalier about this. alex: i think you need go no whichr than climategate, turned out that information was adulterated in a pretty profound way, casting broad skepticism on the facts around climate change. to your point, this is something that needs to be handled and handled seriously. john: there is some funny stuff going on with these things.

there were instances where the trump campaign is alleging collusion between the clinton campaign and the state department and the department of justice, and in both instances, the things that are alleged as collusion were things where they were giving notification of hearings that were going to take place that were actually public already by the time they were supposedly colluding. they were on the doj website or whatever. i just think people have to be really careful about the stings. i know saying the clinton campaign is innocent of all charges. i just think everyone has to examine these things with regard to the motives and the actual substance, what these e-mails purport to be. all rights, when we come back, we will bring in a surprise guest from donald trump's campaign rally in florida.

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you are all perfectly aware at this point, i am here in new york city with alex wagner, but my usual cohost is down in florida where donald event earliern today. mark halperin, how is the weather? mark: it's alternately really sunny and hot and rainy. inie and i are down here florida to attend a trump event, but let's talk first about paul ryan. the is your sense of how

campaign and trump wants to talk about his fight with paul ryan? katie: i think it is a consultative relationship in the campaign wishes the gop leadership was on board with them more. they believed trump would do better if they were behind him. donald trump basically implied that something nefarious was going on, accusing paul ryan of disloyalty at the events before this. i get the sense he is kind of going off script with that. and triesconway goes to mop up the mess that he has made because it does not seem like these are things that he is reading off a teleprompter, certainly. this seems like he is going off script and just cannot help himself. mark: you are hearing republicans who repudiated him over the weekend pulling back and saying they support him. other republicans say privately

they regret going so far in repudiating him over the weekend because they are hearing from loud and angry can issuance asking where they are abandoning the republican nominee. katie: other republicans, other swing state operatives and 42 people say they are appalled and embarrassed by this campaign, that they wake up every morning and wonder if this is a day they should quit. there is a tug-of-war going on within the gop, and it makes you wonder where they will be when this is all over. it seems the republican base is going to be angry with them no matter what. is that republican base going to be enough to go forward and win elections in the future? that remains to be seen. -- he trashedy latinos, muslims, women with that 2005 audiotape, you could say. a whole class of people are just disgusted by the back-and-forth in the republican party. mark: i think a lot of the tale

will be told in the next round of holes. i think you'll see people stop repudiating him for the most part. let's talk about wikileaks. i was impressed to some extent that he is doing something now, not on a regular basis, but sporadically taking the best of the wikileaks stuff politically for them and integrating it into his speech in a way that audiences can understand. at this point, hillary clinton is part of a corrupt washington culture doing business as usual. i do not recall him doing that with any sort of clinton stuff. even in the debate the other night, i thought he was too elliptical. a leader more -- a little more concrete here. katie: i think you are right. the narrative he is trying to , that hillary clinton is someone so hungry for power, hungry for the presidency that she will do anything, say .nything in public he got it a little bit more at

this rally here, hit it a little bit harder, but he is not consistent with it at all, and he says is so sporadically that it does not allow the media to say the message donald trump is going on. it does not do anything to get him the attention and the national media he is looking for because he is constantly doing and saying things that distract from that message. mark: we talked about his mood versus the mood of the crowd. you talked earlier about how crowds are less uplifted and more angry than early on. john: it looks like we lost mark and katie. maybe that thunderstorm down there was more severe than we thought. the scene of having their discussion about how this thing is playing out. we have a bunch of crosscurrents happening here. it is really disarray now.

before, you had her in a situation where it looked like the party was going to wholesale abandoned trump. then the debate happened, and you have very distinct factions and parts of the party trying to figure out what they are supposed to do, the risks, the traps. nobody really knows what the right strategy is. aboutyou're also talking a candidate who has been very disappointing, given that the onileaks report came out friday in very fortuitous timing, this could be the only -- the week where there is much more examination and discussion of the content and is, we are talking about infighting in the republican party. there was no need for this to happen and one wonders what the relationship between paul ryan and donald trump is, if ryan could have been brought back from the ledge. i do not know what the relationship is like and if it is beyond repair. john: a lot of people speculate the trump understands -- if

trump understands he is likely to lose. i think the more pertinent question is if you think about him talking about the election the stolen, blaming the media and blaming the republican establishment, he started way out a predicate for all the excuses. big system, rigged election, all that stuff, all about trying to edifice about "here's why i lost and why you all should stay angry." and katie forark not getting that whole interview. coming up, we will have the surrogates. we will be right back. ♪

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political world? here to tell us is a trump supporter -- i did not write that joke. i apologize for saying it. i think you can take it. talking about this rift in the republican party. who can fix it? can one man fix it? guest: clearly not. this is a really interesting question. you know that family that you look at looks so perfect and they are perfectly dressed and it looks like they never yell at each other? as with the democrats look like. the republicans look like that family that's discombobulated and shouting. we are not putting our best put -- our best foot forward. but it is honest. it's going to be choppy. nomineeu've never had a , from the heights of being the

party's nominee, he's attacking some of the most esteemed figures in your party. is thatworld politically helpful to donald trump and the rest of the party? guest: i don't think it is help. i think it would be better -- i think donald trump is connecting with voters on these issues of the economy, lack of good paying jobs, what is our strategy against radical islamic terror. i think he has the right approach to taking on washington. america thinks washington is completely rogan. if we stay on this chance, i'm worried. if we stay on the issues, i think we have a fighting shot. john: you're a trump supporter. if it's obvious that it's not the right thing for trump to do to be attacking his party, what is going on in his mind that makes him think this is the right thing to do either for himself or the rest of the party? know that yes,

he's running as the republican nominee, but he is an independent guy. he's occupying both of those lanes and when these republicans took out against him in the aftermath of the tape on friday. some of them bolted and some of them have come back, like -- when theyisher bolted from trump, what did that mean? what are they going to do? vote for hillary? they're both realizing that they need each other and that's what i want the party to get back to. the down ballot present -- the down ballot candidates need a strong president and he needs the down ballot to help in those states. hope we can get back to attacking hillary clinton and winning this race. john: you are a compelling and articulate presence, so we need to balance your out with someone who's even more articulate and

persuasive, the former governor of michigan, jennifer granholm. .et me ask you this question how much of a problem do you think it is politically that wikileakse days of e-mails that have been dropped on the public, they are getting asked about them a lot and there's a lot of chatter. they're trying to swat it down but how big a threat do you think this is? granholm: from what we have seen, there's just that -- not thatthat much there there. it certainly doesn't seem so from what has been released. the bigger concern is why is wikileaks dripping this out so slowly? wikileaks is supposed to be the entity that releases everything to the public. what wrong on with this slow drip? it certainly lends to the suspicion that wikileaks is

doing some bidding on perhaps the part of trump through russia or russia through trump. i'm not going to make a big deal because we know the fbi has confirmed i think or has at least been telling the wall street journal that the russians are likely to be the source of the leaks through wikileaks, but it is frustrating. hillary clinton is out there talking today about the childcare tax credit. she is going high and she wants to have people understand the policy. she was out with al gore talking about climate change yesterday. having said that, there is stuff in those e-mails that confirms a lot of suspicion that people have. even in the best case scenario for the clinton team, like my

colleague said, clinton is very much a politician. edition public facing and private facing position. some of the relationships bill clinton brokered or his deputies may have brokered, this is confirmation for people who believed the clinton foundation is corrupt or not playing by the same rules, that hillary clinton is not playing by the same be a, this would seem to confirmation. do you think the campaign needs to address that had on? granholm: i think they have been addressing these ad nauseam threat the course of the campaign. what they really want to do and what people want to do is talk about what she is going to do for people once she's elected. why is it going to be better for parents that she's doubling the childcare tax credit? why is it better for millennials that we have a president that

believes climate change is real and is caused by humans and is going to create jobs in the clean energy sector so that people can have them here in america. she has a super robust land to do this. it's my particular passion and i'm excited there was an opportunity to speak about that yesterday. these wikileaks things, which i know is very beneficial to the other side because they can keep holding up, but the irony is you see this report from "newsweek" from a reporter whose e-mail appeared in this wikileaks -- which was in fact manipulated. so the e-mail that comes out is not in fact accurate. so you can't even validate that these are true e-mails and he gets back to the point of what the heck is russia doing interfering in our elections. can i just say one other thing that happened today? i does want to say it before you

and the segment. i have to say it. when you compare this to what buzzfeed is reporting and what "time" is reporting about donald trump saying over the weekend, there was the tape that was released saying that because he owned the miss universe pageant that he had the ability to go in the back and inspect the merchandise -- he didn't use that word -- come to find out today he was also walking into the dressing room of miss teen usa where 15-year-olds are undressing to get ready for the swimsuit portion of the pageant. there are women, young women, girls who are exposed to this man walking through -- jimmy, -- to me, that is outrageous. let matt talkwo for a second. that was an impassioned

indictment of donald trump. you have the floor to defend donald trump, whatever you want, take your time. the governor does a great job advocating for her candidate, but the candidate is her own worst enemy. much of what we have learned over the course of the last several days were in the transcripts of these speeches. why didn't she release those transcripts? because those transcripts a sickly and died her for being the politician you describe her to be. i've got to have a public position which is different than my private position. my private position is bank friendly and wall street friendly. that thosean't refugees -- that's an issue. she talks about trade and the fact that she wants to have open borders -- this is insane.

this woman for 25 years has flip-flopped between being a aggressive and centrist. she can't decide which lane to occupy, so she tries to occupy both lanes. for thecentrist corporations that pay $200,000 per speech and a progressive against bernie sanders. i think she should talk about policy and she needs to stop the name-calling. alex: unfortunately, we have two leave it there. i'm sure this conversation will continue. when we come back, we are trading in the surrogates for the strategist. if you are watching in my hometown of washington, d.c., you can listen to us on the radio. ♪

john: we are back and we are joined by rick tyler, the former spokesperson for the ted cruz campaign. for move on advisor the -- moveon.org and deputy campaign manager for martin o'malley's presidential campaign. i'm going to read something from the "new york times" about the potential down ballot implications -- the nightmare possibility for the party is that swing voters punish the party and the anti-trump republicans stay at home and the ace cast a ballot for him and leaves the polls. how plausible is that nightmare scenario for your republican party?

think it is increasingly plausible. it wasn't for a while because the campaign has gotten so much media attention and down ballot races have been going on, but openhat donald trump is in war with the republican party and its leadership, principally speaker ryan, and this tape reporter is going to ask every candidate about the tape, it has a potential to hurt the ballot and hurt the down ticket races. right now, i would say we will probably keep the senate marginally and i don't think we will really lose the house. i don't see a wave election, i don't see an attracting force hitting behind hillary clinton and overwhelming the ballot box. is going to see it be at this point it's going to have a great impact. alex: how worried should the

clinton campaign be that the ryan strategy or the theoretical ryan strategy that trump may lose but it's about keeping the senate in republican hands. how feasible do you think that strategy is? guest: i agree somewhat that it's going to be very difficult to get the house. there's about 30 seats they have to pick up, which is unlikely. senate, we still have a play there. if you look at states like florida, there's a poll that came out that showed the race tightening up by three or four points. but here's the thing. for months, we have been saying that this will be a tight election. we are saying it's going to be a single-digit and not a landslide. doubles week we've seen digits high nine numbers. he is at 35. his ceiling was 40 or 41 and he

could not win with that. what is happening is all of these are attached to that. so these senators and congressional members are in a trick box. him, you are losing trump supporters. if you are with him, you have to take everything that comes with him. john: so if you are a down what do yourat, want the clinton campaign to do? obviously you would like them to theirome money, but strategy has been trying to peel off republicans to come to hillary clinton and not focus on energizing the base. what do you want them to do strategically? guest: i gets it's really important to energize the democratic base. that's what it's important to have michelle obama and president obama and bernie

sanders out there. them being out there speaking on their behalf is important and will energize their base. but here's the thing -- what they are focusing on is voter registration. you know this -- you can move the needle between 3% to five percentage points. 40% of the general electorate is going to vote early. needs what the campaign to really focus on and that is what a are doing with their surrogates. donald trump has been talking a lot about a rigged election. they've been saying that they need to stop talking like that, that it could be detrimental to american democracy. what are your feelings on it? guest: if the debate goes wrong, it was rigged. the media is unfair, it goes on and on.

it's great to see you. this is now focused on postelection. they know they cannot expand the base. they have a scorch earth strategy to try to suppress the clinton vote. donald trump is an imperfect messenger, so i don't know how much impact that's going to have. they are going to consolidate an organization that is anti-hillary and will be very .ucrative you are seeing it now, the party is splitting. basically splitting between what i would call the breitbart wing of the party who believes win at all cost and doesn't seem to have an underlying philosophy. it is at odds with a lot of republican party principles. then you have conservatives and then you have the establishment. will he go back to the establishments or will they try

to figure out how to make conservatism and attractive message again? john: is the election over? guest: it's over. guest: there is no passing to 74 donald trump. alex: why are we here? john: summary has to pay the mortgage and its not going to be you. ♪

alex: we've got the "new york times" media columnist in the house. -- i read question the teleprompter. here's what i'm going to ask.

we've been talking about wikileaks and through the show, there has been some consternation about whether there is some material that hasn't been vetted through normal channels is safe for discussion. as a media guru, what is your thinking? guest: if the material is out there, we have to use it. it doesn't matter where it comes from. is uncomfortable. if it is a foreign government hacking into these e-mails, that's a huge story. it's an incredible propaganda story. i'd don't know what you do -- do you ignore this stuff? john: what is the view of the press about burgled material? if someone broke into clinton campaign headquarters and stole a bunch of stuff and put it out, the "new york times" would say what? guest: we have been increasingly using it -- it started with the

sony hacks. it was 70 -- i was stolen e-mails and we ended up going there. it was squeamish -- people expect that it's going to be out and we are going to use it. doesn't it inevitably have a chilling effect? will all operatives start using -- the public records, it's gone after that. guest: someone will figure something else out. john: are you not on signal? it.t: i will get on john: if it is truly in the public interest, the inclination is to publish. the aiken will story suggest there has been manipulation of these documents. reportage,atter of do you think going on in

newsrooms a higher degree of scrutiny being given to these things? what they wrote? does this language sound like who this is? you have jennifer palm e.r.a. saying about this story that they have impugned the catholic church. she says i don't recognize those e-mails. so what is a news organization to do with that story? guest: the same as any story. you have to verify it. what would be unhelpful and i get it that it's unpleasant, but if they play any games about what is valid and what isn't, then we have roque and the trust and hopefully they are being honest about what is being fabricated. i get it where they feel like why do we have to help the russians undermine our campaign and i don't have a good answer for top but it is happening and we have to deal with it. alex: how does that standard apply to a hot mic moment?

guest: they've had to deal with that and nbc had to deal with that. the "washington post" was the first to release it. guest: they had a much easier decision. it was not there hot microphone. now everyone's talking about what's get these "apprentice" tapes, which interestingly is a wikileaks mentality. how are you going to search thousands of hours of tapes? to work on at story about trump's debate performance. what is that about? guest: the next debate -- i hope we all in the media remember that we are going to see the world and a whole other way after the next debate. right now, is it over? maybe it is, but the next debate will reset it once again or not. but it's possible.

alex: it ain't over till it's over. jim rutenberg, thank you for your time and thoughts. ♪

john: bloomberg politics right now, you can see how miller -- how hillary clinton is trying to make inroads with military toers stop coming up, thanks alex wagner, until tomorrow, sayonara. ♪

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