schmidt thought donald trump had given a bad performance in the first and second debate. he thinks the race is over. the only possible way it could at be over is if he gave performance tonight as good as it was bad in his first performance. this is the last formal event. they will both appear in manhattan on thursday, but no other event will bring the two of them together. john: we have had a lot of october surprises already. given the daily october surprises, we could have more.

always a lot of tension and pressure in a presidential campaign,. this presidential campaign is negative and they are expecting it to follow the form of the first two. john: it is worth noting that theld trump wanted to bring accusers into the hole and put them in a place where bill clinton had to walk past them. the clinton campaign wanted to avoid anything further on donald trump's part. this time, he does have sarah

palin here and barack obama's half-brother, a strange choice, but there is some reason to be worried about the things that donald trump might try. will be a 90-minute session that might go over a little bit. chris wallace is the moderator for the entire 90 minutes. the candidates have a fair amount of leeway to bring up things that they would like to talk about. trump came into the spin room after the first debate, not after the second debate, and no clear word on whether he will come in tonight. we will be back after the debate with a full wrapup analysis and hopefully some reaction from the campaigns on what is the final debate of the series of three. one topic that has not been addressed that we will certainly hear about it tonight, and we've not had

anything about it in the first two debates. i will be interesting to hear that debate tonight. both candidates to strongly and have totally different views. theink chris wallace's had benefit of watching the first to considerand where maybe the candidates are vulnerable. presumably donald trump will improve. we will see. so, the final presidential debate is about to begin in las vegas. john and i will be back when ins. s. end chris wallace is ready to begin the night. good evening from the university of nevada las vegas. of fox news.llace i welcome you to the third and final 2016 presidential debate

between secretary of state hillary clinton and donald j. trump. this today is sponsored by the commission on presidential debates. the commission has designed the six roughly 15 minutes segments with two-minute answers for the first question, then open discussion for the rest of each segment. both campaigns have agreed to those rules. for the record, i decided the topics and the questions in each topic. none of those questions have ensured with the commission or the two candidates. the audience in the hall has promised to remain silent, no cheers, blues, or other interruptions so we can focus on what the candidates have to say. no noise except right now as we welcome the democratic nominee , secretarynt clinton, and the republican nominee for president, mr. trump. [applause]

mr. wallace: secretary clinton, mr. trump, welcome. let's get right to it. the first topic is the supreme court. aboutth talked briefly the court in the last debate, but i want to drill down on this because the next president will certainly have at least one to-threent, and likely appointments, which means you will in effect determined the balance of the court for what could be the next quarter century. first of all, where do you want to see the court take the country, and secondly, what is your view on how the constitution should be interpreted? words mean what they say or is it a living document to be applied flexibly according to changing circumstances? in this segment, secretary clinton you go first. you have two minutes. thank you, chris.

thank you to unlv for hosting us. when we talk about the supreme court, it raises the central issue in this election, namely what kind of country are we going to be, what kind of opportunities will we provide for our citizens, what kinds of rights will americans have, and i feel strongly that the supreme court needs to stand on the side of the american people, not on the side of the powerful corporations and the wealthy. for me, that means that we need a supreme court that will stand ,p on behalf of women's rights on behalf of the rights of the lgbt community, that will stand up and say no to citizens united, a decision that has undermined the election system theur country because of way it permits a dark, unaccountable money to come into our electoral system. withe major disagreements

my opponent about these issues and others that will be before the supreme court. i feel that at this point in our country's history, it is important that we not reverse marriage equality, that we not way, -- rovey versus wade, that we stand up against citizens united, for the rights of people in the workplace, that we stand up and basically say that the supreme court should represent all of us. see the court, and the kind of people i would be looking to nominate to the court would be in the great tradition of standing up to the powerful, standing up on behalf of our rights as americans, and i look forward to having that opportunity. senate would do its job and confirm the nominee that president obama has sent to them. that is the way the constitution fundamentally should operate. the president nominates, and

and the senate advises consents or not, but goes forward with the process. trump, same mr. question. where do you want to see the court take the country and have you believe the constitution should be interpreted? mr. trump: first of all, it is great to be with you. the supreme court is what it is all about. our country is so, so, it is imperative that we have the right justices. something happened recently where justice ginsburg made some very, very inappropriate statements towards me and towards a tremendous number of people, many millions of people, that i represent, and she was forced to apologize, and apologize she did, but these were statements that should never have been made. we need to supreme court that in my opinion is going to uphold the second amendment and all amendments can, but the second, , ich is under absolute siege

believe, if my opponent should win this race, which i truly don't think will happen, we will have a second amendment which will be a very, very small replica of what it is right now, but i feel it is absolutely important that we uphold because of the fact that it is under such trauma. i feel that justice is that i am going to, and i have named 20 of them, the justices that i'm going to appoint will be pro-life. they will have a conservative bent, they will protect the the second amendment. they are great scholars in all cases and people of tremendous respect. they will interpret the constitution the way the founders wanted it interpreted, and i believe that is very, very important. i don't think we should have justices appointed that decide what they want to hear. it is all about the constitution

, and so important, the constitution, the weight it was meant to be, and those of the people that i would appoint. mr. wallace: mr. trump, thank you we have 10 minutes for an open discussion. i want to focus on two issues that in fact with the justices that you name could change the existing law of the land. first, is one that you mention, which is guns. you said lastton, year "the supreme court is wrong on the second amendment." the court ruled there is a constitutional right to bear arms, but a right that is reasonably limited. those were the words of the judge, and sneeze for leah, who wrote the decision. what is wrong with that? first of all, i support the second amendment. i lived in arkansas for 18 years and represented upstate new york and respect the tradition of a

gun ownership that goes back to the founding of our country, but i also believe there can be and must be reasonable regulation. because i support the second amendment does not mean that i want people who should not have guns to be able to threaten you, kill you or members of your family, and so when i think about what we need to do, we have 33,000 people a year who die from guns. i think we need comprehensive background checks, to close the online loophole, close the gun show loophole, other matters that i think are sensible, the kind of reforms that would make a difference that are not in any way conflicting with the second amendment. you mentioned the heller decision, and what i would say you referenced is that i disagreed with the way the court applied the second amendment in that case. what the district of columbia was trying to do was to protect

toddlers from guns, and so they wanted people with guns to safely store them, and the court did not accept that reasonable regulation, but they have accepted many others, so i need see no conflict. mr. wallace: the bipartisan open got millions of votes on questions to ask here, and this was in fact one of the top questions they got. how will you ensure the second amendment is protected? you just heard secretary clinton's answer. whilehe persuade you that you may disagree on regulation, that she in fact supports a second amendment right to bear arms? very strongion was and she was extremely angry about it, i watched, and she was angry, upheld, and justice scalia was so involved in it was a well-crafted decision, but hillary was extremely upset,

extremely angry, and people who believed in the second amendment, believed in it strongly, were upset with what she had to say. mr. wallace: let me bring in secretary clinton. where you extremely upset? i was upset: because unfortunately dozens of toddlers injure themselves and kill people with guns because unfortunately not everyone who has loaded guns in their homes takes appropriate precautions, but there is no doubt that i respect the second amendment, that i also believe there is an individual right to bear arms. that is not in conflict with sensible commonsense regulation, and look, i understand that donald has been strongly supported by the nra, the gun lobby is on his side, running millions of dollars of ads against me, and i regret that, because what i would like to see is for people to come together and say of course we are going to protect and defend the second amendment, but were going to do it in a way that tries to save

some of these 33,000 lives that we lose every year. mr. wallace: let me bring mr. trump back into it. in fact, you oppose any limits on assault weapons, any limits on high-capacity magazines. you support a national right to carry law. mr. trump: let me tell you before we go any further, in chicago, which is the toughest gun laws in the united states, probably you could say by far, they have more gun violence than any other city, so we have that toughest laws and tremendous gun violence. i am a very strong supporter of the second amendment, and i don't know if hillary was saying it in a sarcastic manner, but i am proud to have the endorsement of the nra, the earliest endorsement they have given to anybody who has run for president. we will appoint justices, this is the best way to help the second amendment. we will appoint justices who feel strongly about the second

amendment, that will not do damage to the second amendment. mr. wallace: let's pick up on another issue which divides you and the justices that whoever insect when in the selection of points could have a dramatic affect there, and that's the issue of abortion. mr. trump, you are pro-life. i want to ask you specifically if you want the court and the justices you will name to overturn roe versus wade, a woman's right to abortion? mr. trump: if that would happen because i am pro-life and would appoint pro-life judges, i think that would go back to the individual states. mr. wallace: i am asking you specifically. what i'm asking you, sir, is do you want to see the court overturned, you just you want to see the court overturn it? mr. trump: if we put another 2-3 justices on, that is what will happen, and that will happen

automatically in my opinion because i am putting pro-life justices on the court. it will go back to states, and in the states will make a determination. mr. wallace: secretary clinton? i strongly support roe versus wade, which guarantees the constitutional right to a woman to make the most intimate, most difficult in many cases decisions about her health care that one can imagine , and in this case, it is not only about roe versus wade, it is about what is happening right now in america, so many states are putting very stringent that block on women them from exercising that choice to the extent that they are defunding planned parenthood, which of course provides all kinds of cancer screenings and other benefits for women in our country. donald has said he is in favor of defunding planned parenthood. he even supported shutting the government down to defund plant. i will defend planned

parenthood. i will defend roe versus wade. i would defend women's rights to make their own health care decisions. we have come to far to have that turn back now, and indeed, he said women should be punished, that there should be some form of punishment for women who obtain abortions, and i could just not be more opposed to that kind of thinking. mr. wallace: i will give you a chance to respond, but i want to explore how far you believe the right to abortion goes. you have been quoted as saying that the fetus has no constitutional rights. on also voted against a ban late-term partial-birth abortions, why? mr. trump: because mrs. clinton: because roe versus wade sets out that there can be regulations on abortion so as long as the life of the health and mother are taken into account. when i voted as a senator, i did

not think that was the case. that kind of cases that fall at the end of pregnancy are often the most heartbreaking, painful decisions for families to make. i have met with women who have towards the end of their pregnancy get the worst news one can get, that their health is in jeopardy if they continue to carry to term or that something terrible has happened or just been discovered about the pregnancy. i do not think the united states government should be stepping in and making those most personal of decisions, so you can regulate if you are doing so with the life and health of the mother taken into account. trump, your mr. reaction, tick down this issue of late-term partial abortion. mr. trump: i think it is terrible. if you go with what hillary is saying it, you can rip the baby mothermb --o of the

prior tohe mother just the birth of the baby. that is not ok to me. is going, you she can take the baby and ripped the in thet of the womb ninth month on the final day, and that is not acceptable. not clinton: that is acceptable in these cases. using that type of scare rhetoric is terribly unfortunate. you should meet some of the women i have met with, women who i have known over the course of my life. this is one of the worst possible choices that any woman and her family has to make, and i do not believe the government should be making it. i had the great honor of traveling across the world on behalf of our country. where been to countries governments have forced women to have abortions like they used to do in china or force women to bare children like they used to do in romania, and i continue

that the government has no business in that decision that women make with their families in accordance with their faith, with medical advice, and i will stand up for that right. mr. wallace: just briefly, i want to move on. nobody has business doing what i just said, doing that as late as 1, 2, 3, or four days prior to birth, nobody has that right. mr. wallace: let's move on to the subject of immigration. there is a must know issue that separates the two of you more than immigration, actually there are a lot of issues that separate the two of you. mr. trump, you want to build a wall. secretary clinton, you have offered no specific plan on how you want to secure our southern border. mr. trump, you are calling for major deportations. secretary clinton, you say you will offer a package within the first hundred days that includes a pathway to citizenship. the question is why are you right and your opponent wrong. esther trump, you go first. you have two minutes.

mrs. clinton: you want to give mr. trump: we need strong borders. we have four mothers in the audience tonight, unbelievable people i have gotten to know whose children have been brutally killed by people that came into the country illegally. you have thousands of mothers and fathers and relatives all over the country. they are coming in illegally. drugs are pouring in through the border. we have no country if we have no border. every once to give amnesty and have open borders. as you know, the border patrol agents, 16,500 plus ice last week endorsed me, first and they have ever endorsed a candidate. it means their job is tougher, but they know what is going on. they knew it better than anybody. they want strong borders. a few we have to have strong borders. i was in new hampshire the other day, the biggest complaint they have with all the problems going on in the world, many of the

problems caused by hillary clinton and barack obama, all of the problems, the single biggest problem is heroin that pours across our southern borders, just pouring and destroying their youth, poisoning the blood of the youth and plenty of other people. we have to have strong borders. we have to keep the drugs out of our country. right now, we are getting the drugs, they are getting the cash. we need strong borders. we need absolute, we cannot give amnesty, now, i want to build a wall, we need the wall. allborder patrol, ice, they want the wall. we stop in droves. we sure up the border. one of my first asked will be to get all of the druglords, the bad ones. we have some bad, bad people and thatis -- in this country have to go out. we will get them out, secure the border, and at a later date we will make a determination as to the rest, but we have some bad hombres here and we have to get them out.

mr. wallace: secretary clinton, the same questions you. mrs. clinton: i was thinking about a young girl i met in las vegas, carla, who was worried her parents might be deported because she was born in this country, but they were not. they work hard and do everything they can to give her a good life, and you're right, i don't want to rip families apart. i don't want to be sending parents away from children. i don't want to see the deportation force that donald has talked about in action in our country. we have 11 million undocumented people. they have 4 million american citizen children. 15 million people. he said as recently as a few weeks ago in phoenix that every undocumented person would be subject to deportation. now here is what that means. it means you would have to have a massive law enforcement presence, where law-enforcement officers would be going school home,hool, home to

business to business, rounding up people undocumented, then we would have to put them on trains and buses to get them out of our country. i think that is in an idea not in keeping with who we are as a nation. i think it is an idea that would read our country apart. i have been for border security for years. i've voted for border security and the united states senate, and my comprehensive immigration plan includes border security, but i want to put our resources where they are most needed, getting rid of any violent person, anybody who should be deported, we should deport them. when it comes to the wall that donald talks about building. he went to mexico and had a meeting with the mexican president, didn't even raise it. he choked. so i think we are both in immigration -- nation of

immigrants and a nation of laws, and that we can act accordingly, and that's why i'm introducing comprehensive immigration reform and a path to citizenship. mr. wallace: thank you, secretary clinton. i want to follow up -- first of all, i had a good meeting with the president of mexico, very nice man. we will be doing very much better with mexico on trade deals, the nafta deals was one of the worst deal signed by anybody. it is a disaster. hillary clinton fought for the wall. thereabouts. now, she never gets anything done, so naturally the wall was not built, but hillary clinton wanted the wall. mr. wallace: sir, let me ask this i would like to hear from secretary clinton. mrs. clinton: i voted for border security. mr. trump: and the wall. mrs. clinton: there were some

limited places where that was appropriate. there is also necessarily going to be new technology and how to deploy that, but it is clear that when you look at what donald has been proposing, he started his campaign bashing immigrants calling them racists, criminals -- rapists, criminals, drug dealers. he has a idea about what we should do to deal with immigrants. -- what iargument in am arguing is that bringing them out of the shadows and putting them into the formal economy will be good so that employers can't exploit them and undercut american wages, and donald knows a lot about this. he used undocumented labor to build trump tower. when they complain, he basically said what a lot of employers do, you complain, i will get you deported. i want to get everybody out of the shadows, get the economy working, and not let employers like donald exploit undocumented workers, which hurts american

workers. mr. wallace: mr. trump? mr. trump: president obama has moved millions of people out. they have been deported. she does not want to say that, but that is what has happened, and that is what has happened big league. as far as moving these people allow, we either have a country or don't. we are a country of laws. we either have a border or don't. you can come back in and become a citizen, but is very unfair. we had millions of people who did the right way, online, waiting. we are going to speed up the process, vaguely, because it is an efficient. it is very unfair that someone runs across the border, becomes a citizen -- under her plan, you would have open borders, i disaster on trade and a disaster with open borders. president obama has deported millions and millions of people. mr. trump: we will will not havewe

open borders. we will have secure borders, but we will also have reform. this used to be a bipartisan issue. mr. wallace: excuse me -- mrs. clinton: and george w. bush supported it as well. mr. wallace: secretary clinton, i want to clear up your position on this issue because in a speech you gave to a brazilian bank for which you were paid $225,000, we have learned from wikileaks that you said this, "my dream is a his -- hemispheric open market with open trade and open borders." that is the question. please quiet everybody. is that your dream, open borders? mrs. clinton: if you read the rest of the sentence, i was talking about energy. ourrade more energy with neighbors and we trade with the rest of the world combined, and i do want us to have an electric grid, and energy system that crosses borders, i think that

would be a great benefit to us, but you are very clearly quoting from wikileaks, and what is important about wikileaks is that the russian government has engaged in espionage against americans. american hacked websites, american accounts of ,rivate people of institutions then they have given that information to wikileaks for the purpose of putting it on the internet. this has come from the highest levels of the russian government, clearly from printing himself. intelligence agencies have confirmed, to influence our election, so the most important question of this evening is finally will donald trump admit and condemn what the russians are doing -- that the russians are doing this, and make it clear that he will not have the help of putin in this election, that he rejects russian

espionage against americans, which he actually encouraged in the past. those of the questions we need answered. we have never had anything like this happen in our elections before. mr. trump: she once open borders, people will pour into our country from syria. thenants 550% more people barack obama. there are thousands and thousands of people, we will stop radical islamic terrorism in this country. she will not even mention the words, and neither will president obama. it she wants open borders, now we can talk about putin.

he said nice things about me, if we got along the good, that would be great. statesia and the united got along well and when after isis, that would be good. he has no respect for her or our president. and i will tell you what, we are in serious trouble because we have a country with tremendous numbers of nuclear warheads, 1800, by the way. 1800 nuclear warheads, and she is playing chicken. respectng i see has no for this person. mrs. clinton: that is because he would rather have a puppet as president. it is pretty clear. mr. trump: you are the topic. mrs. clinton: it is clear russia has engaged in cyber attacks the united states and you encourage espionage against our people, that you are willing to espouse the putin line, sign

up for his wish list, break up nato and whatever he wants to do. and, that you continue to get because he has a very clear favorite in this race. i think this is such an unprecedented situation. never had a foreign government trying to interfere in our election. have 17 intelligence agencies, civilians and military, who have all concluded that these espionage attacks and a cyber attacks come from the highest levels of the kremlin and they are designed to influence our elections. i find that deeply disturbing and i think it is time. whether it is russia, china, or anybody else, she has no idea. mrs. clinton: 17 military and civilian agencies. he would rather believe vladimir putin in the military and civilian intelligence

professionals who are sworn to protect us. i find that absolutely frightening. mr. trump: she does not like clinton because he has outsmarted her every step of the way. excuse me, putin has outsmarted her in syria and every step of the way. mr. wallace: i do need to ask some questions and i would like to ask you this direct question. the top national security officials of this country do believe russia has been below -- behind these hacks. even if you do not know for sure, do you condemn any interference by russia in the american election? mr. trump: by russia or anybody else. mr. wallace: do you condemn? mr. trump: of course i condemn. i do not know putin. this is not my best friend. -- united states got along with russia, it would not be so bad. outsmarted her and obama every step of the way whether it is syria or missiles.

take a look at the start of a signed. the russians have said, according to many reports, i cannot believe they allow us to do this. they create warheads and we cannot. the russians cannot believe it. she has been a smarted by putin. just look at the middle east, they took over. a $6 trillion and they took over the middle east. she has been outsmarted and outplayed worse than anyone i have ever seen in any government whatsoever. mr. wallace: a $6 trillion and y took over the middle east. we are a long way away from immigration but i will let you finish this in about 45 seconds. mr. trump: and she always will be. mrs. clinton: i find it ironic he is raising nuclear weapons. this is a person who has been very cavalier and casual about the use of nuclear weapons. he as advocated more countries getting them, japan, korea, even saudi arabia. he says if we have them, why don't we use them, which i think is terrifying. the bottom line on nuclear

weapons is, that when the president gives the order, it must be followed. there are about four minutes between the order being given and the people responsible for launching nuclear weapons to do so. that is why 10 people who have that awesome responsibility have come out in an unprecedented way that they would not trust donald trump with the nuclear codes or to have his finger on the nuclear button. mr. trump: i have 200 generals and admirals, 21 endorsing me, 21 congressional medal of honor recipients. as far as japan and other countries, we are being ripped .ff by everyone in the world we are spending a fortune doing it. they have the bargain of a century. all i said is that we have to renegotiate agreements because our country cannot afford to defend a saudi arabia, germany, south korea, and many other places. we cannot continue to afford it.

she took that to me nuclear weapons. outlook, she has been proven to be a liar in so many different ways. this is just another lie. mrs. clinton: i am just quoting you. mr. trump: you're not going to find the quote for me. nuclearnton: competition in asia, you said go ahead, enjoy yourself, folks. mr. trump: and defend yourselves. nuclear -- and defend yourself. mrs. clinton: the united states has kept peace through our alliances. donald wants to terra power alliances. i think it makes the world safer and the united states safer. i would work with our allies in asia, europe, the middle east, and elsewhere. that is only way we will keep the peace. mr. wallace: we will move onto the next topic, which is the economy. i hope we handle that as well as we did immigration. you also have very different

ideas on how to get the economy going. secretary clinton, in your plan, government plays a big role. you see more government spending, more entitlements, more tax credits and more tax penalties. mr. trump, you want to get government out of with less taxes and regulations. we will jolt down into this a little more. tothis overview, explained me why your plan will create more jobs and growth for the country and your opponents plan will not. in this round, you go first secretary clinton. mrs. clinton: i think when the middle class thrives, america thrives. my plan is based on growing the economy, giving middle-class families many more opportunities. program is jobs since world war ii, jobs with infrastructure and to advance manufacturing. i think we can compete with high wage countries and i think we should. new jobs and energy to fight climate change and create new opportunities and businesses.

do more to help small business, that is where two thirds of new jobs will come from. i want to raise the national minimum wage because people who live in poverty and work full time not still be in poverty. i want to make sure women get equal pay for the work we do. i feel strongly that we should have an education system that starts with preschool and goes through college. that is why i want more technical education in high schools and community colleges, real apprenticeships to prepare young people for the jobs of the future. i want to make college debt-free, and for families making less than $25,000, you will not get a tuition bill for in the plan i worked on with bernie sanders, if it is enacted. we will work hard to make sure it is because we are going to go where the money is. most of the gains in the last year since the great recession had gone to the very top. we are going to have the wealthy pay their fair share.

make a have corporations contribution group -- greater than they are now. that has been analyzed by independent experts and they say it could produce 10 million new jobs. by contrast, donald plan has been analyzed to conclude it might lose 3.5 million jobs because his whole plan is to cut taxes and give the biggest tax breaks ever to the wealthy and corporations. deck, $20 trillion to our and causing the kind of dislocation we have seen before because it truly will be trickle-down economics on steroids. the plan i have will actually produce greater opportunity. the plan he has will cost us jobs and possibly lead to another great recession. mr. wallace: secretary, thank you. mr. trump, why will your plan growth?ore jobs and

mr. trump: her plan will raise taxes, even double your taxes. it is a disaster. she can say all she wants about college growth? mr. trump: tuition, i am a big proponent. we will do a lot of things for college tuition. but the rest of the public will be paying for it. massivehave a massive, tax increase under hillary clinton's plan. but i would like to pick off where we left. when i said japan and germany, not to single them out, these are very rich and powerful countries. saudi arabia, nothing but money. yet we protect saudi arabia. why are they paying? i questioned nato, why are they paying? since i did this a year ago, all of a sudden they are paying. i have been given a lot of credit for it. they have to pay up. we are protecting people, they have to pay up. i am a big fan of nato but they have to pay up to read she says we love our allies and think they are great. it is hard to get them to pay up when you have somebody saying we

think how great they are. we have to tell japan in a very nice way and germany, south korea, you have to help us out. regime, president obama's regime, we doubled our national debt. we are up to $20 trillion. my plan, we will negotiate trade. we will have more free trade then we have right now. we have horrible deals. our jobs are taken by nafta, the bill her husband signed. jobs are being sucked out of our economy. you go to pennsylvania, ohio, florida, and of them, upstate new york, our jobs have fled to mexico and other places. i am going to renegotiate nafta. if i cannot make a great deal, then we will terminate nafta and create new deals. terminated and make a great trade deal. if we cannot, we will go our

separate ways because it has been a disaster. we will cut taxes massively and business taxes. they will start hiring people and we will bring the $2.5 trillion offshore back into the country. we will start the engine rolling again because right now our country is dying at 1% gdp. mrs. clinton: let me translate that if i can, chris. mr. trump: you cannot. mrs. clinton: he will advocate for the largest tax that we have seen, three times more than the tax cuts under the bush administration. i have said repeatedly throughout this campaign, i will not raise taxes on anyone making georgia $50,000 or less. i also will not add a penny to the debt. i have costed out what i will do. his massive tax cuts, add $20 trillion to the debt. he mentioned the debt. we know how to get control of the debt. president,band was

we had a surplus and were on the path to eliminating the national debt. when president obama came into office, he inherited the worst economic disaster since the great depression. he cut the deficit by two thirds. yes, one way you go after debt and create jobs is by investing in people. so i do have investments in new jobs and education, skill training, and opportunities for people to get ahead and stay ahead. this is the kind of approach that will work. cutting taxes on the wealthy -- we have tried that. but it has not worked the way they think. mr. wallace: i want to pursue your plan. in many ways, it is similar to the obama stimulus lan in 2009. that has led to the slowest gdp growth since 1949. mr. trump: correct. mr. wallace: thank you, sir.

you told me in july when we spoke that president obama did not get to do enough in what he was trying to do. if your plan basically even more of the obama stimulus? mrs. clinton: it is a combination, chris. let me say, when you inherit the level of economic catastrophe that president obama inherited, it was a real touch and go situation. i was in the senate before i became secretary of eight. asave never seen people physically distraught as the bush administration team was because of what was happening to the economy. that thelly believe steps president obama took saved the economy. he does not get the credit he deserves for taking some very hard positions. but it was a terrible recession. now we dug ourselves out of it. we are standing, but not yet running.

what i am proposing, is that we invest in the ground up. not the top down. that will not work. that is why i have put forward to not add a penny to the debt. it is the kind of approach that will enable more people to take those new jobs, higher paying jobs. we are beginning to see increases in income and we have had a long string of increasing jobs. we have to do more to get the whole economy moving. that is what i believe i will be able to do. mr. wallace: mr. trump, even conservative economists who look at your plan say the numbers do not add up. about 25, you talked million jobs created, 4% over a 10 year period is unrealistic. and they say with oil prices as low as they are right now, that is unrealistic, as well. some high i just left

representatives, they are growing at 8%. china is growing at 7%, and a catastrophically low number. reportgrowing, our last right around the 1% level and i think it is going down. week, theyof last came out with an anemic jobs report, a terrible jobs report. i said, is that the last jobs report for the election? if so, i should win easily. the report was so bad, it was so bad. our economy is starting, we have lost jobs and businesses. we are not making things anymore, relatively speaking. products are pouring in from china and vietnam and all over the world. many communities, this is such an incredible education for me, chris. i have developed so many friends over the last year. and they cry when they see what

is happening. i passed factories that were thriving 25 years ago, because of the bill her husband passed and she blessed. she could say her husband did well, but boy did they suffer when nafta kicked in. it kicked in after they left. boy, did they suffer. that was one of the worst thing ever signed by our country. now she wants to sign the transpacific partnership. she lied when she did not collect the gold standard. she totally live, she did call it the gold standard. a fact checked and show that i was right. mr. wallace: i want to give you a chance to briefly speak to that. go ahead. briefly. one, when i: number saw the agreement for tpp i thought i was against it, i had the same test is that it needs to increase jobs, income, and national security.

be against it when i am president. only one of us on stage has shifted jobs to mexico and that is trump. to manyhifted jobs countries, including mexico. one of our problems with china is the illegal dumping of steel and aluminum in our markets. i fight against that as a senator and secretary of state. steel has bought chinese the trump hotel in las vegas was eel he gives a jobs to chinese steel workers. pull the country together and have trade agreements we enforce. that is why i will have a trade prosecutor for the first time in history. and we will enforce those agreements and look for businesses to buy american products. mr. trump: a simple question.

she has been doing this for 30 years. why the hell did you not do this over the past 15, 20 years. mrs. clinton: excuse me. mr. trump: my turn. you are involved in many aspects of this country. the one thing you have over me is experience, but it is bad experience. for 30 years you have been in a position to help. if you say that i used something make it impossible for me to do that, i would not mind. you talk, but you get nothing done, hillary. just like when you ran the state department, $6 billion was missing. how do you miss $6 billion? six billion dollars was either stolen -- they do not know. it is gone, $6 billion. if you become president, this country will be in some mass, believe me. mrs. clinton: first of october what he just said about the

state department is not only untrue, it is been debunked numerous times. it is really an important issue he raised the 30 years of experience. let's talk briefly about that. back in the 1970's i worked for the children's defense fund, taking on discrimination against african american kids in schools. he was getting sued by the justice department for racial discrimination in his apartment buildings. in the 1980's, i was working to reform the schools in arkansas. he was borrowing $14 million from his father to start his businesses. in the 1990's i went to beijing and said women's rights are human rights. he insulted a former miss machadoe, called alicia and eating machine. when i monitored the raid that brought osama bin laden to justice, he was hosting "celebrity apprentice." i am happy to compare my 30 years of experience, what i have

done for this country, helping every way i could, especially kids and families get ahead, you're 30 years. i will let the american people make that decision. mr. trump: i did a much better job, i built a massive company with many assets, worth many billions of dollars. i started with a $1 million loan and build a phenomenal company. if we could run our country the way i have run my company, we would have a country you would be so proud of, you would even be proud of it. look atkly, when you her real record, take a look at serious and the migration, take a look at libya and iraq. she gave us isis because her and obama created this huge vacuum and a small group came out of that huge vacuum because we never should have been in iraq. but once we were there we should never have gotten out the way they wanted to get out.

she gave us isis as it sure is you are sitting there. and now isis is in 32 countries. how will she get rid of isis? she will get rid of nobody. mr. wallace: we will get to hot in a few moments. segment is fitness to be president of the united states. mr. trump, at the last debate, you said your talk about grabbing women was just that, talk, and that you had never actually done it. since then, nine women have come forward and said that you either group to them or kiss to them -- kissed themor without their consent. up these they all make of stories? and since this is a question for both of you, secretary clinton, mr. trump says what your husband did and you defended was even

worse. mr. trump, you go first. mr. trump: first of all, those of stories have been largely debunked. i do not know those people. i have a feeling it was her campaign that did it. if you look at what came out today, i was wondering what happened with my rally in chicago where we had such violence. she is the one, and obama, that caused the violence. themhired people, paid $1500 and they are on tape saying they caused fights and did bad things. i would say those stories are totally false. apologize to my wife, who is sitting right here, because i did not do anything. i did not know any of these women, i did not see them. -- i thinkthe plane they want fame or her campaign to win. i think it is her campaign. when i saw what they did, a criminal act, by the way,

telling people to go out and start fistfights and violence. i tell you what, in chicago people were hurt and could have been killed in that riot. that is now all on tape, started by her. chris, that she got these people to step forward. if it was not, they get there 10 minutes of fame. but it was all fiction. it was lies and it was fiction. mr. wallace: secretary clinton. mrs. clinton: at the last debate we heard donald talking about what he did to women. and after that, a number of women have come forward saying that is exactly what he did to them. what was his response? he held the number of big rallies where he said that he could not possibly have done those things to those women because they were not attractive enough. mr. trump: i did not say that. i did not say that. mr. wallace: her two minutes.

for two minutes. say,clinton: he went on to look at her. i do not think so. about another woman, he said, that would not be my first choice. the woman reporter writing the story, called her disgusting, as he has called a number of women during this campaign. donald thinks belittling women makes him bigger. he goes after their dignity, their self worth, and i do not think there is a woman anywhere who does not know what that feels like. thinksknow what donald and what he says and how he acts toward women. that is who donald is. i think it is up to all of us to demonstrate who we are. and who our country is. and to stand up and be very clear about what we expect from our next president.

how we want to bring our country together, where we do not want to have the kind of pitting one person against another. where instead we celebrate diversity, lift people up, and make our country even greater. america is great because america is good. and it really is up to all of us to make that true now and in the future. and particularly for our children and grandchildren. mr. trump: nobody has more respect for women than i do. nobody. [laughter] frankly, those stories have been largely debunked. i really want to just talk about something slightly different. she mentions this, which is all fiction, all fiction. probably or possibly started by her and her very sleazy campaign.

but i will tell you what is not fiction are her e-mails where she destroyed 33,000 e-mails, criminal, criminally, after getting a subpoena from the united states congress. what happened to the fbi? i do not know. we have a four-star general and all thead it papers, who potentially served five years in jail for lying to the fbi. one line. -- one lie. timess light hundreds of to the people, congress, and the fbi. he will probably go to jail, this is a four-star general. and she gets away with it and she can run for the presidency of the united states? that is really what you should be talking about, not fiction, where somebody wants fame, and they come out of her cricket campaign. mr. wallace: secretary clinton. mrs. clinton: every time donald has pushed on something, which is obviously uncomfortable, like

what these women are saying, he immediately goes to denying responsibility. and it is not just about women. he never apologizes or says he is sorry for anything. we know what he has said and what he has done to women. but he also went after a disabled reporter, mocked and belittled him on national television. he went after the parents of a young man who died serving our country, a gold star family, because of their religion. he went after john mccain, a prisoner of war, says he prefers people who are not captured. he went after a federal judge born in indiana, but who donald said could not be trusted to try the fraud and racketeering case against trump university because his parents were mexican.

it is not one thing, it is a pattern. pattern of divisiveness, of a very dark and in many ways dangerous vision of our country, where he incites violence, where he applauds people who are pushing and pulling at his rallies. that is not what america is. in the last move weeks of this campaign, more and more people will understand what is at stake in this election. it really does come down to what type of country we are going to have. aboutump: when she talks violence and my rallies, she caused the violence. things are false, but honestly, i would love to talk about getting rid of isis and other things. those other charges as she knows are awful. mr. wallace: this is about fitness to be president, a lot of developments over the last 10 days since the last debate. i would like to ask you about them, questions the american

people have. secretary clinton, during your 2009 senate confirmation hearing you managed to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest in your dealings with the clinton foundation while you were secretary of state. but e-mail show donors have special access you. considered separately from non-donors and some of those donors but government herracts, spent -- text by might. can you really say you cap your pledge and why hasn't what happened in what went on between you and the clinton foundation, why is it what mr. trump calls, pay to play? mrs. clinton: everything i did as secretary of state was in furtherance of our country and our values. that has been proven. but i'm happy come in fact i am thrilled to talk about the clinton foundation because it is a world-renowned charity. i am so proud of the work that it does.

i could talk for the rest of the debate, i know i don't have the time to do that, but just briefly, the clinton foundation made it possible for 11 million withe around the world hiv-aids to afford treatment, and that is about half of all the people in the world were getting treatment. in partnership with the american health association we had made environments in schools healthier. mr. wallace: especially, this is an open discussion. the specific question went to pay for flight. the want to talk about that? mr. trump: it has been very well studied. mr. wallace: please let mr. trump spain. it is a criminal enterprise. saudi arabia giving $25 billion. you talk about women and women's rights? these are able to push gays off buildings. kill womeneople that

and treat women horribly, yet you take their money. i would like to ask you right now, why go you give that the money that you have taken from certain countries that treat certain groups of people so horribly? why don't you give back the money? greatk it would be a gesture. because she takes a tremendous amount of money -- take a look at the people of haiti. i was in little haiti and they hate the clintons. because what has happened in haiti with the clinton foundation is a disgrace. and you know it and they know it and everybody knows it. mr. wallace: secretary clinton. clintonnton: we get the foundation spend 90% of all the money that is donated on behalf of programs and people around the world and in our own country. i am very proud of that. we have the highest rating from the watchdogs that followed foundations, and i would be happy to compare what we do with the trump foundation, which took

money from other people and bought a six foot portrait of donald. who does that? it was just astonishing. haiti is the poorest country in our hemisphere. the earthquake and the hurricanes have devastated haiti. bill and i have been involved in trying to help haiti for many years. the clinton foundation raised $30 million to help haiti after the catastrophic earthquake and all the terrible problems the people there had. we have done things to help small businesses, agricultural and so much else. and we will keep working to help haiti because it is an important part -- mr. trump: i would like to mention one thing. the trump foundation, small foundation. people contribute, i contributed the muddy 100% goes to different charities, including a lot of military. i don't get anything. i don't buy boats come i do not buy plants. mr. wallace: was in some of the money used to settle your lawsuits? mr. trump: we put up the

american flag and that was it. we fought for the right in palm beach to put up the flag. penaltyace: there was a imposed by palm beach county and the money came from your foundation. the money went to fisher house, where they build houses -- the money you're talking about when to fisher house where they build houses for veterans and disabled people. mrs. clinton: there's no way whether we can know whether that is true because he is not release his tax returns. he is the first candidate ever to run who has not released his tax returns. everything he says about charity or anything else, we cannot prove it. you can look at how tax returns, we have them all out there. is what is really troubling that we learned in the last debate, he is not paid a penny in federal income tax. we were talking about immigrants a few minutes ago, you know, half of all undocumented immigrants and our country

actually pay federal income tax. we have undocumented immigrants in america corp. a more federal income tax than a billionaire. i find that astonishing. mr. trump: we are entitled because of the laws of people like her past to take massive amounts of depreciation on charges, and we do it. all of our donors -- i know buffett took hundreds of millions of dollars. let me explain. most of our donors have done the same thing as i do. and you know she should have done? you should have changed the law when you are a united states senator. and yourour donors special interests are doing the same thing as i do come expect -- except even more so. you'll not change the law because you taken so much money. i sat in my apartment today on a very beautiful hotel down the street -- mrs. clinton: date with chinese -- paid fiwh -- paid with

chinese steel. mr. trump: i watched ad after ad paid for by your friends on wall street. if you do not like what i did you should change the laws. to wallace: mr. trump i want ask you one last question in this topic. you have been warning in rallies recently that this election is rigged and hillary clinton is in the process of trying to steal it from you. running mate, governor pence, pledged on sunday that he and you, his words, will absolutely accept the result of this election. today go daughter ivanka said the same thing. i want to ask you here on the stage tonight, the same commitment that you will absolutely, sir, they will absolutely accept the result of this election? mr. trump: i will look at it at the time. [laughter]

i have seen it so bad. first of all, the media so dishonest and so corrupt and the is so amazing,n "the new york times" actually wrote an article on it. it is so dishonest. they poison the minds of the voters. unfortunately for them come i think the voters are seeing through it. we will find out on november 8 think the theater. excuse me, chris. if you look at your photo roles, millions of people that are registered to vote -- millions, this is not coming from me, this is coming from other places -- millions of people that are registered to vote that should not be registered to vote. so, let just give you one other thing. i talked about the corrupt media, i talk about the millions of people. one other thing -- she should not be allowed to run. she is guilty of a very, very serious crime. she should not be allowed to run. and just in that respect, i say, it is rigged.

chris, she should never have been allowed to run for the presidency based on what she did with e-mails and so many other things. mr. wallace: i'm sorry, there is a tradition in this country, in fact one of the prize of this country is the diesel transition of power in that no matter how hard for a campaign is that at the end of the campaign, that the loser concedes to the winner. i'm not saying you're necessarily going to be the loser or the winner, the loser concedes to the winner and the country comes together in part for the good of the country. are you saying you are not prepared to do that? i will tell you at the time, i will keep you in suspense. to. clinton: let a response that, because that is horrifying. every time donald thinks things are not going in his direction, he claims whatever it is is rate against him. the fbi conducted -- rigged against him.

, he said republican primary was rigged. gets sued fority fraud and racketeering, he claims the courses are andy federal judges are rigged against him. there was a time when he did not get an emmy for his tv program and he claimed the emmys were rigged. mr. trump: i should have gotten it. [laughter] mrs. clinton: it is funny but it is also really troubling. we have been around for 240 years. fairve had free and elections. we have accepted the outcome what we may not have liked them. must be excepted of anyone standing on a debate stage during a general election. president obama said the other day, when you are whining, it

just shows that you're not up to doing the job. must be excepted of let's be clear about what he is saying and what that means -- he is denigrating, he is talking down our democracy, and i for 1 who islled that somebody the nominee of one of our major parties would take the kind of position. mr. trump: i think with the fbi did in what the department of justice did, including meeting with her husband, the attorney general in the back of an -- i think arizona it is disgraceful. i think it is a disgrace. we have never had a situation so that -- so bad. mr. wallace: let's please continue the debate and move on to the subject of foreign hotspots. iraqi defensive to take back mosul has begun. if they are successful in pushing isis out of that city and out of all of iraq, the question then becomes, what happens the day after? that is something that whoever

of view ends up as president is going to have to confront. u.s. troops into that vacuum to make sure that isis does not come back or is not replaced by something even worse? secretary clinton, you go first, you have two minutes. i am encouraged that there is an effort led by the iraqi army, supported by kurdish forces and also given a number ofrom special forces and other americans on the ground. but i will not support putting american soldiers into iraq as an occupying force. i do not think that is an out interest and i do not think that would be smart to do. in fact, chris, i think that would be a big red flag waving for isis to reconstitute itself. the goal here is to take back mosul. it is going to be a hard fight, i have no illusions about that. then continue to pressure into

syria to begin to take back and is the isisa, which headquarters. i am hopeful that the hard work that american military advisers have done will pay off in that we will see a really successful military operation. but we know we have lots of work to do. syria will remain a hotbed of terrorism as long as the civil war, aided and abetted by the the russians, continue. i have said we need to keep our eye on isis, that is why i want to have an intelligence surge that protects us here at home. what we have to go after them from the air, on the ground come online. while it have to make sure here know we do not let terrorists buy weapons. if you are too dangerous to fly, you're too dangerous to buy a gun. i'm going to continue to push for a no-fly zone and safe havens within syria, not only to help protect the syrians and prevent the constant outflow of

refugees, but to frankly gains and leverage on both the syrian government and the russians of that perhaps we can have the kind of serious negotiation necessary to bring the conflict to an end and go forward on a political track. mr. wallace: mr. trump, same question. if we are able to push isis out would you beiraq, willing to put u.s. troops in there to prevent their return or something else? mr. trump: let me tell you, mosul is so sad. we had mosul, but when she took everyone out we lost mosul. what they wanted to do is they wanted to get the leaders of felt were iny mosul. about three months ago i started reading they wanted to get the leaders and they are going to attack mosul. felt werewhatever happened to t of surprise? we announce we're going after mosul.

i've been reading it for, how long is it hillary? three months? they have all left. the element of surprise. douglas macarthur, george patton, spinning in their graves when they see the stupidity of our country. all she had to do was stay there, now we're going in again. but you know the big winner in mosul will be after we eventually get it? and the only reason they did is because she is running forbut yn the office of president and they want to look tough, they want to look good. she violated the red line in the sand and she made so many mistakes. have the great migration. but she wanted to look good for the election, so they are going in. it was good to get mosul, real ly? we're going to take it come eventually. much tougher than i thought. much more dangerous. more deaths than a thought. but the leaders wanted to get perl gone because they are smart. what do we need this for? mosul is going to be a wonderful

thing and iran should write us a letter of facebook. the stupidest deal of all-time. iranl that would give absolutely nuclear weapons. they should write us yet another letter saying thank you very much because iran, as i said many years ago, iran is taking over iraq. something they want to do forever and we made so easy for them. you know who is going to be the beneficiary? iran. boy, they are outsmarting -- you're not there, you might not be involved in that decision, but you were there when you took everybody out of mosul and iraq. you voted for. -- for it. once you left you should have never -- again, donaldonce is implying that he did not

support the invasion of iraq. i said it was a mistake and said that years ago. he has consistently denied it was a very clear fact that before the invasion he supported it. you know, i just want everybody to google it. q, and donald trump ira you will see dozens of sources verified he was for the invasion of iraq and you can naturally hear the audio of them saying that. why does that matter? it matters because he has not told the truth about that position. i guess he believes it makes him look better now to contrast with me because i did vote for it. but what is really important here is to understand all of the interplay. mosul isa sunni city, on the border of syria and yes, we do need to go after bad daddy like we wentust after bin laden while you are

doing "celebrity apprentice." we need to get rid of them come other fighters, their estimated several thousand fighters in mosul. they have been digging underground, they had been prepared to defend. it will be tough. we can take overwe need to get n take back rocca. that he seemsed to think the iraqi government and our allies and everybody else launched the attack on mosul to help me in the election, but that is how donald thinks. he is always looking -- mr. trump: because we don't need anything. iran is taking over iraq. --would have gained mr. wallace: secretary clinton, it is an open discussion. mrs. clinton: he is unfit and he proves it every time. wikileaks just actually came out -- mr. trump: wikileaks just came

out, wikileaks -- john podesta said some horrible things about you. bernie sanders and you had bad judgment, you do. if you think that going into mosul after we let the world know we were going income and all the people we really wanted, the leaders are all gone. if you think that was good, and you do. john podesta said you had terrible and six. bernie sanders and you had bad judgment. i agree with both. well, you should ask bernie sanders who he is supporting for president. the most dangerous person to run for president in the modern history of america. i think he is right. mr. wallace: let's turn to a level. [laughter] -- to alleppo. were botht of it asked about the situation in the syrian city of aleppo and i want to follow up on that because you said several things in a debate that were not true.

he said a level has basically fallen. -- allepo has fallen mr. trump: have you seen it? have you seen what has happened to aleppo? so, it hasn't fallen? take a look at it. they are being slaughtered because of bad decisions. may finish: if i year. you have also said that syria in russia are busy fighting isis, in fact they had been the ones who have been bombing and shelling eastern aleppo. they just announce animate -- a pause admitting that they had been bombing aleppo. aleppo is a disaster. it is a humanitarian nightmare but it has fallen from any sampling. do you need a signed document? sad. so

a lot of this is because of hillary clinton. because what has happened is by fighting assad, who turned out hebe a lot tougher than thought -- now she is going to say it all, he loves assad. it turned out to be much smarter than her and obama. he aligned with russia, he now also aligned with iran, who we may very powerful. we gave them $150 billion back. $1.7 billion in cash. buncdles of cash as big as this stage. now he has aligned with russia in with -- and with iran. theydon't want isis what have other things because we are backing rebels. we do not know who the rebels are. we are giving them lots of money, lots of everything. we do not know who the rebels are. and when and if -- you're not

going to happen because you have russia and iran -- what if they ever did overthrow assad -- and he's a bad guy -- but you might end up with worse than assad. beshe did nothing we would in better shape. this is what has caused the great migration, where she is taking in tens of thousands of , who probably -- in many cases -- indefinitely -- are definitely isis-alligned. the great trojan horse. wait till you see what happens in the coming years. lots of luck. thanks a lot for doing a great job. mr. wallace: secretary clinton, you have talked a lot about imposing a no-fly zone to try to protect the people of aleppo and stop the killing there. president obama has refused to do that because he fears he will draws deeper into the conflict. and the chairman of the general

chief of staff says you propose a new -- no-fly zone, chances are you will get into it -- a war with syria in russia. if you impose a no-fly zone, first of all how do you respond to their concerns -- secondly, if you impose a no-fly zone and eight russian plane divides that, do you shoot down the plane? mrs. clinton: first of all, a no-fly zone could hasten the end of the conflict and save lives. i am aware of the legitimate concerns you have expressed from both the president and the general. this would not be done just on the first day. this would take a lot of negotiation. it would also take making it clear to pressure in syria that our purpose here was to provide safe zones on the ground. we have had millions of people leave syria and those millions of people inside syria who have been dislocated. i think we could strike a deal and make it very clear to the

russians and the syrians that this is something that we believe is of the best interest of the people on the ground in syria. it would help us in our fight against isis. but i want to respond to what donald said about refugees. he has made these claims repeatedly. i'm not going to let anyone into this country who was not vetted, we do not have confidence in. but i'm not going to slam the door on women and children. that picture of that little four-year-old boy in aleppo with the blood coming down his face while he sat in an amulet is haunting. we're going to do very careful, thorough vetting. that is not solve our internal challenges with isis and our need to stop radicalization. to work with an american muslim communities who are on the front lines to identify and prevent attacks. of the, the killer dozens of people at the nightclub in orlando, the pulse

nightclub, was born in queens, the same place donald was born. whatet's be clear about the threat is and how we are going to best be able to meet thatred yesterday some of threat emanates from syria and iraq and we have to keep fighting and i will defeat isis. in some of that is we have to up our game and much smarter at home. mr. wallace: i want to get into our final segment. mr. trump: it is so ridiculous -- she will defeat isis. we should never have let isis happen in the first place. wait one second. they had a cease-fire through these ago. a cease-fire, united states, russia, syria. russiathe cease-fire, took over vast swatches of land that they said we do not want the cease-fire anymore. we are so outplayed on missiles, on cease-fires. they are outplayed. she was not there, i assume she had nothing to do with it. but our country is so outplayed by putin and assad, by the way, and by iran.

nobody can believe how stupid our leadership is. mr. wallace: no, we need to move on to our final segment and that is the national debt, which is not been discussed until tonight. , our gdp is debt now 77%. that is the highest since just after world war ii. with a nonpartisan committee for responsible government says secretary clinton, under your plan, that would rise to 86% of gdp over the next 10 point yes 10 years. mr. trump they say it would rise to 105% of gdp. the question is, why are both of you ignoring this problem? mr. trump, you go first. mr. trump: they are wrong because i go to great tremendous jobs. we are bringing gdp from 1%, which is what it is now, and if she got in it will be less than zero. we are bringing it up to 4% and

i think we can naturally go higher. i think we can go to 5% or 6%. do, you do not have to bother asking your question because we have a tremendous machine. we have created a tremendous economic machine once again. we are taking back jobs, we going to let our companies he rated by other countries where we lose all our jobs. that is very sad. but i'm going to create the kind of country that we were from the standpoint of industry. we used to be there. we have given it up. we have become very, very sloppy. we have people that are political hacks making the biggest deals in the world, bigger than companies. you take these big companies, the trade deals are far bigger than his companies. get we do not use our great leaders, many of whom backed me and many of whom back hillary, i must say. but we do not use those people. these are the greatest negotiators in the world. the have the greatest business

people in the world. cap to use them to negotiate our trade deals. we use political hacks. we as people who get the position because they made a campaign contribution. they are dealing with china and people who are very much smarter than they are. we have to use our great people. with that being said, we will create an economic machine, the likes of which we have not seen in many decades. will again goris, back to work and they will make a lot of money in will have companies that will grow and expand and start from there. mr. wallace: secretary clinton. when i hear: first, donald talk about that and when i hear is loaded is mike -- make america great again, i wonder when you think america was great. russia says before you in president obama was there, i think it is important to recognize that he has been criticizing our government for decades. out an 1987, he took

$100,000 at in "the new york times" during the time when president reagan was president, in basically said exactly what he just said now, that we were the laughingstock of the world. he was criticizing president reagan. this is the way donald thinks about himself. he puts himself into the middle and says, you know, i alone can fix it, as he said at the convention stage. but if you look at the debt, which is the issue you asked about, chris, i pay for everything i am proposing. i do not add a single penny to the national debt. i take that very seriously because i do think it is one of the issues that we have got to come to grips with. when i talk about how we're going to pay for education, how we're going to invest in infrastructure, how we're going to get because of prescription drugs down and allow the other issues people talk to me about go the time -- i am going to

where the money is. we are going to ask the wealthy and corporations to pay their fair share. there is no evidence whatsoever that that will slow down or diminish our growth. in fact, i think just the opposite. we will have what economists call middle outgrowth. we have to get back to rebuilding the middle class. the families of america. that is where growth will come from. that is why i want to invest in you, and your family. i think that is the smartest way to grow the economy, to make the economy fare. big disagreement about this. it may be because of our experiences. he started off with his dad is a millionaire, i started off with my dad is a small businessman. mr. trump: we have heard this before. mrs. clinton: it is a difference it affects how we see the world and what we want to do with you, dear -- with . mr. trump: can i respond? we should have been much tougher

on trade them. i've been waiting for years. frankly, now we're going to do it right. mr. wallace: one last area i want to get into with this debate is that the biggest driver of our debt is entitlement, which ismr. wallacl federal spending. committee for responsible federal government has looked at both are your plans and they say neither of you has a serious plan that will solve the fact that medicare is what to run out of money in the 20 20's, social security will run out of money in the 20 30's. recipients are going to take huge cuts other benefits. in effect, the final question i want to ask you -- and let me start with you, mr. trump -- would president trump make a deal to save social security that included tax increases and benefit cuts that will in effect a grand bargain on entitlement. mr. trump: i'm cutting