♪ announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: tiger woods is here. he is considered one of golf's greatest players if not at his best, the best. at age 21 he won his first major tournament at the masters by a record 12 strokes. he was previously the only male to win three straight u.s. amateur titles with a total of 14 major championships under his belt, he trails only jack niklaus who has 18. he has been sidelined by injury including three back surgeries. he delayed his return to competitive golf stating "my

game is vulnerable and not where it needs to be." this year marks the 20th anniversary of the tiger woods foundation, the charitable organization focuses on youth education and intends to double the number of students attending college through it scholarship this year. i am pleased to have tiger woods at this table for the first time. tiger: thank you, charlie. charlie: we have been trying this for long time. this has been an interesting several weeks. there is the ryder cup. you were instrumental, you were with him on the course and do -- he says you were in his head. you announced a new company tgr, which can be involved in live events and restaurants and golf course management. you celebrated the 20th anniversary of the foundation, you announced as you did that you would play in the safeway tournament and then you withdrew

saying your body was ok, saying that your golf was vulnerable. what did you mean? tiger: before the ryder cup i was playing and i was able to shoot scores and play. i took some time off during the ryder cup and was focused on that. i never caught -- quite got my scoring around. i was so excited to play, i wanted to compete and i went out to stanford right before safeway and i was practicing out there with the team and hang out with them and work on my game and it is a hard realization knowing that i am not scoring like i should be. my feel for hitting, 150 had -- 150 yards and jumping on a nine iron and hitting the correct distance, shaping shots, all that stuff, i lost the feel of that. as a competitor i was ready to

go and i wanted to compete but in my heart of hearts i knew that i could not go out there and shoot 63's and 64's. as a competitor, it does not feel very good. charlie: as the greatest iron player in the history of the game, to take a seven iron ore a -- or a wedge and not be able to do what you know you have done before, what you have felt before. what does it feel like? tiger: it was the feel of hitting those shots because i have not done it enough. i was in a groove playing at home, i took the time off for the ryder cup and trying to come back after that, i just did not have the same feel and i thought it would pick it up right away. i was ready to go. it is tough knowing that i see a shot and i say i can kind of feel it but it is not quite there yet. it is not quite there, even if waited a year to get back to this point. let's be smart about it and not rush it.

and that is from my brain saying that but i heart is saying, tiger, let's play. let's go, and it's get back into it. charlie: looking back, have you come back before? was it too early? tiger: i have done it's a few surgeries or injuries, i have played through them and come back early, i have damaged the body to compete at a high level so many times. this time, i took a lot of time off to get it right. and there's no sense in hurrying and injuring the -- injuring anymore. i wanted to do it all right. at safeway i thought i was ready and i wasn't. no sense in the urgency of getting back out there and doing it again, make sure your stuff

is ready and when your stuff is ready, let's go. charlie: you will know. tiger: i will know. [laughter] charlie: jasper and others have says you are back. have you had those kinds of rounds? tiger: i have done that at home but knowing that i have to do it in a scoring environment on a pj -- the pga tour, doing that again, i was not quite ready for it yet. because this is the longest layoff i have ever had in my career, i have never had this long a layoff, my feels are not quite what they used to be. i need more practice time at home. playing more money games at home, some of the young guys coming out there. charlie: do golfers live around you? tiger: there are three pros -- 33 pros who play out there. i have been playing with them.

charlie: it is the difference between the driving range and the course the difference between playing around with friends and tournament. tiger: ranger rick is one thing and then playing with your buddies is another thing. and playing the tour level is a totally different deal. and beyond that the major championships. there is a progression create i am not quite at that tour level progression yet. charlie: do you believe the talent is there? tiger: yeah. i can get the shots, and can feel the shots, i do not quite have it all yet. i like having a full repertoire shots. it was not there yet. charlie: and the putting is what made you great. tiger: i can putt.

charlie: there is no problem. the long irons? tiger: ok. it is the overall scoring. it is putting it all together. keeping it in the fairway, i am not quite as long as they used to be. charlie: and by how much? tiger: 330 yards. the big boys are now 330. it is a different ball game and the game has gotten a look -- a little bigger. as i was there at the ryder cup hitting some -- washing -- watching some of the guys hitting, i am looking at the numbers, it is 52 degrees and we are looking at the numbers saying i just carried 308. can you hit that far? [laughter] charlie: do you need to make adjustments to your swing? tiger: that is flowing, i am making slight tweaks and that is something i have always done. making a little bit of tweaks.

charlie: the search for perfection. >> not perfection but excellence. i have converted the word into professional excellence. charlie: you are thinking perfect. >> i am thinking tried to get better. charlie: and that is the search to, what can i do, as good as i am. you were experimenting with your game when you were winning every tournament. tiger: i was doing that as a kid. always trying to get a little better. charlie: mindset, will to win. clear headedness. that is there? tiger: sure. charlie: and those who suggest vulnerable means not just the game but somehow not having the same sense of rightness. that you had at the best. of your game.

tiger: i played my best 16 years ago. most guys are not jumping and doing 360 dunks at the age of 40. most guys are not taking off the foul line. we have to make adjustments as we get older. i have done that throughout the years. and throughout different injuries, played around them. this is no different. charlie: i get the sense that you do not want anymore surgeries. tiger: god, no. [laughter] charlie: and for different reasons. you have suggested you have had it with surgery. tiger: seven is enough. charlie: and you want to play and do these other things. tiger: i am in pain. i love playing soccer with my kids and tossing the ball around and playing golf with charlie, i love doing that stuff. that is the best feeling in the world. she plays soccer. for us to do soccer drills and have fun, to me, when i was hurt

after the last surgery and i could not do any of that stuff for months at a time, that was brutal. that was hard to take. because, daddy, let's play. daddy can't move. charlie: and i get the sense of what you're doing, announcing the company, that you are prepared if golf is over to have another life. tiger: it is the tgr branding is bringing the business is under one umbrella. they have been existing. i am setting up chapter two of my life. chapter one was the golfer. only the golfer of playing winning golf term ends. i am sitting at chapter two without hitting a golf ball and trying to create a business empire and different business entities and growing that so i don't have to hit a golf ball. i can -- to do other things that are of my interest. the golfer can still be there. i can still play, i can still do

those things but it is not mandatory for my business to grow and for me to help kids with my foundation or the restaurant or the designer all that stuff. i do not have to hit a golf ball. i can transition eventually into being strictly an entrepreneur. charlie: and involved with the foundation and other things. tiger: 100%. charlie: and it is not just you, it is us. we can't let you go. there is a sense that we never -- tiger: you care? [laughter] charlie: yes we never understood what it was to be so brilliant on a golf course. we did not get how one could be so dominant in a sport. we did not understand how you could lose that either. and we desperately and i think this is everybody, because of

the mystique and because where was and how it was lost is to understand and to want you to come back. they want to see it, that kind of dominance. it is reflected in television ratings. they want to see it one more time. you have thought about that. tiger: of course. i miss being out there, i miss competing, i a miss mixing it up with the boys and coming down the stretch. charlie: and you like being tiger woods. tiger: i like beating those guys and that is why practiced all those hours and why i trained and ran all those miles is to be ready to take on those guys down the stretch. do i miss it, absolutely, 100%. and to be at my age now at 40 years old and to have gone through the things i have gone through physically, i am the first one to admit, i can't do the things i used to be able to, most people can't at my age. charlie: other ways to win?

tiger: yes, but because of my mindset -- i am naturally a tactician. even when i was hitting the ball long and blowing all the top of the bunkers, that was the strategy. i used my mind and eventually the method i used a lead me to master my craft. charlie: and that is why the mind is so important. you used your mind, you learned that from your father am i assume. you learn mental toughness. you learned how to win. you still have that. tiger: that part has not left me. i know how to get it done. i just need to get into position to get it done. charlie: you have to do it yourself. there is no coach or psychiatrist who can tell you that. tiger: as an individual athlete you are out there yourself. but no oneh me, is bailing out. the manager is not coming in and

bringing the righty when you're struggling. no timeouts and i am not feeling good, the guy off -- the guy will come off the bench and fill your role for the night. you are by yourself out there. charlie: and that is what you liked about the game. tiger: what i really loved is and i still love is getting out there and figuring out a way to get it done. just figuring out a way. whatever you have, trying to figure out a way to dig down deep and myself to find a way to get it done. it may not be pretty but finding a way to get it done because i have won golf tournaments hitting it over fairways left and right. chipping in and holing out. charlie: when it was dark people -- you could not possibly see the hole. tiger: i am tiger, i am a cat. [laughter] charlie: you said you were never

the biggest or the strongest, the only thing i had was my work ethic and that is what has gotten me this far. tiger: you can't take that away from me. that is one thing you can take away. you can take away all my physical attributes but you can't touch my mind. that part of it is being mentally prepared and having the mindset of preparing and digging in and doing the work. i have never been afraid of that. charlie: some have said to be tiger woods was a gift and a burden. how is it a burden? tiger: it is a burden in the sense that the amount of obligations that i have at a tournament, anonymity that was lost, if you look back, the only regret i have in life is not

spending another year at stanford. i wish i had one more year. charlie: that is the only regret. of all the things that happen to you. everything. tiger: of everything i have been through, it has been tough but they have been great for me. i wish it would have gone one more year to stanford. charlie: why do you say that? tiger: the amount of brilliant people that were there, the things i was learning at that time, was i ready to turn pro? physically, yeah. i won a tournament and i won the college slam, no one has ever done that. three years in a row. i was ready to go but i wish i would have spent more -- one more year learning from everyone who was there, people who were designing their own computers, people working on the accelerator. charlie: there is stories about you being interested in a range of things like that. you can always do that. tiger: being around this people at that age you do not get a

chance to do that again and have two great years at stanford, it shaped me more than the subsequent, the two years really did shape me because the amount of people and also going away from home for the first time and for me to feel at home and comfortable around some of the greatest athletes on the planet, some of the brightest minds in the planet, they were also young and we were doing it together and this is before the internet. having the communication and trying to get through study groups, that is one thing i do miss. charlie: this is in the 90's -- 1990's. i want to talk about how you became tiger. why golf in the first place? tiger: that is a great question. i have played it basically all my life. i played baseball, i was a pitcher, i ran track and cross country.

i liked doing those sports, i did not love it. i kept coming back to golf. i kept finding myself running the miles in track and getting -- especially cross, getting all that mileage in to get ready to play golf. when i was on the mound throwing and thinking, ok, this is number one, i have to position my shot so this fastball will be outside. i kept thinking of, my mind kept coming back to golf. whenever i was doing it -- whatever i was doing it kept coming back to golf. watched your father hid golf balls. tiger: i did. it was one of those el niño years. was not allowed to go out there and hit the amount of range balls because it was hosing down rain, storm after storm kept coming. i just happened to be born in december of the next year that el niño hits and here i am.

charlie: talk about him and your relationship with him. tiger: he is a person i missed dearly. i think about him every day. he was more than just my dad. he was a person i could always turn to, a friend, mentor, a leader. and eventually, a follower. he put on so many different hats and was comfortable playing different roles and that is something i really miss. charlie: what did he give you? tiger: my dad gave me so much, he gave me his heart and his soul and the fact that we were able to have the conversations we were able to have throughout

my childhood and when i turned pro, and even when he was sick and he was battling prostate cancer three times. he would always find time and somehow find a way to talk to me. even if he was not feeling well he would set up and we would have a great conversation. ♪

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charlie: let me ask about a couple of things, number one a time that you jumped out of a plane at fort bragg or somewhere. and your dad said, now you know what my life is like. correct? tiger: i jumped out the golden knights at fort bragg. charlie: what did he mean? tiger: i had grown up playing at a military golf course and had been around the military and been around active duty and retired serviceman my entire life. i have not experienced what he had to do for his job. charlie: he was a green beret in vietnam. tiger: i had to take a car to get to the golf course, his was jumping out of an airplane. charlie: now you can see what made me. tiger: correct. the amount of physical work, the

operating in the past and currently, it is brutal on the body and it is tougher on the mind. and so getting over fear and relying on others not only to basically save your life, that is something i never experienced, never understood. charlie: he helped you understand fearlessness? tiger: i would not necessarily understand it because i was a adrenaline junkie to begin with. i understood where he was coming from now. charlie: he was here at this table sitting where you are. here is tiger's pop, earl. >> i maximize his opportunity with his own assets and his own skills create and brought this out at him. he already had it.

then i brought more to the table, taught him how to refine it, and develop additional toughness in him through experiential things. since that time, since he graduated from what i call woods finishing school, he has exponentially gone even higher on the toughness scale. past even when i thought and it is surprising him. he has called me and he says, pop, i'm getting so tough and everytime i see him and i have been away from him a little while, i am amazed at how much tougher he is. charlie: that is cool -- tiger: that is cool.

charlie: people believe what you had, at the best of those years when you had such a remarkable spectacular run, that you were tougher than everybody else. tiger: i just knew i was going to beat you. charlie: you were expected to win. it is part of what happened to you. tiger: that is fine but i expect to win as well. the toughness came in through practice as you were alluding to, hard work. and me working hard and feeling comfortable in hitting all the shots and pulling it off my all the shots you have seen me pull off, i have already pulled off. if i can do it there i can do it anywhere. charlie: you're convinced you worked harder than anyone else. tiger: i just know that as i alluded to, i was not always the biggest or the fastest, i was not the most gifted but you can't take away my work ethic. charlie: you wanted it more?

tiger: i want to beat more. charlie: is it the same competitiveness that michael jordan has? tiger: michael is tough and he loves winning, he loves beating people. and i think there is a certain commonality between all levels, forget athletes but all professions, i think he just enjoys getting better and being the best. charlie: what happens when they beat you? tiger: you back to the drawing board and do it again. charlie: there is always another day and i will be back and i will beat you. tiger: my winning percentage is not very high. we lost more tournaments than we win. it is like a baseball player. if you hit 300 you are in the hall of fame. so you lose 70% of the time. but you are one of the best to have ever played. in my sport it is the same way. the winning percentage is not very high but it is still a way

to come back and get it done. charlie: how do we measure the best, is it jack because he has 18 majors or is it some general appraisal, simply that person had more talent and applied it better than anybody? tiger: that is a great question. we never got a chance to play against one another except for that one time when we played with each other in 2000. when you cross generations, it is very difficult to see who is better than the other. in all sports. i just think that for me, i was -- i would take my skills against jack any day and i am sure he would feel the same way. charlie: do you believe you will get 18 majors? tiger: to be honest, no. charlie: you have accepted that. tiger: i have accepted i will get more. [laughter] charlie: you are 40. jack won the masters when he was 40.

tom almost won at 59. and you have to get started soon. tiger: sooner or not, i need to get started and be ready to go. charlie: when your dad died and you took his body back to kansas. did that take something out of you? tiger: having to bury my father, that was difficult. i had never lost a parent, my mom is still alive. that was the first person that has ever been close to me that i have had to go to a funeral and bury. it happened to be the person i was closest to. charlie: the most influential person in your life, bar none. tiger: also the person i was closest to. i do not know if i am the only one who has ever felt that way. it hurt a lot. i grieved -- i do not grieve

right away. i put it away for a while. i missed the cut at the u.s. open. i still had not really grieved. i came back and played well and for some reason it was the most interesting thing, playing the final round, i had this sense of calm. what is this feeling? normally you get a chance to win and i did. but all of a sudden i had this calmness. it was like my papa was there. i finished the whole 18. i never cried. this started coming out. i just miss my dad. i knew he would never witnessed this again. that was hard to take. charlie: he treated you like an adult. tiger: he did. one of the things i do, that he

did with me, any time we talked he would make sure he was at eye level. when he was above me he would sit down. if he was lying down toward the end of his life, he would sit up. we would always work at eye level. that is something that i think is so important. he never talked down to his child. we were communicating. charlie: there were times in which you are estranged from him. tiger: i don't know about is strange. charlie: you were not getting along because you had some questions and your mother knew he was sick. is it true? it's a perfectly natural thing for everybody to do. your mother said you have to ake -- make up with your father.

if you don't you will regret it for the rest of your life. tiger: i wouldn't say we were that far apart like that. we were still in communication and talking. i needed to get my relation back to where it used to be. charlie: what was wrong with that? tiger: when dad was sick he said some outlandish things. i think it was just him being sick. i took a personal. i said you have been really sick and the meds you have been on, his diabetes was bad. i didn't understand at the time. i was still playing golf and focused on things i needed to do. a couple of times when he was sick he would say kentucky, how was kentucky last week? i would say dad i was here with you.

he said outlandish things some time. he gave me one last hurrah. it was a talk, about an hour and a half. but my dad was old. he gave me one last bit of himself. from then on he quickly eroded and then finally passed away. charlie: would you be the golfer you are without your dad? tiger: no. without my dad or my mother. there is no way. charlie: your mother stood by you and by him. tiger: my mother was so important and loyal, and so great as a mother there is just no way. charlie: she was also supportive after thanksgiving 2009 when you

had a public humiliation. tiger: my mom was my mom read she became a mother. she said i'm always here. i love you no matter what. she gave me a bunch of big hugs. that was really cool. did i mess up? absolutely. but my mom was still there for me. i didn't have my dad anymore. it was just her and i. charlie: some would suggest that humiliation you went through publicly, your public life exposed, has a lingering effect on your mind and your game. tiger: i have heard that. i look at the fact that i have a made a bunch of mistakes. in the end, my ex-wife is one of my best friends. we have two beautiful kids. we have better communication than we have ever had and i have

talked her about my life almost on a daily basis and she does the same. it was rough to go through but in the end, here we are better than we have ever been. charlie: how do you tell your kids? tiger: because daddy made some mistakes. i would rather have them hear it from me. charlie: you set down? tiger: i haven't said that. i said everyone makes mistakes. the reason my mom lives in her house and dad lives in her house is because dad made mistakes and it is ok. you guys are lucky to have two parents who love you so much. i was lucky enough to have two lucky parents -- two loving parents. my dad did not. his parents died. by the time he was 11 or 13. he grew up without having parents. my mom's parents died early.

that to me i think is important. my kids know that no matter what happens they always have dad. dad will always be there. and mom will always be there. we just all live together physically. emotionally and spiritually we are always with them. charlie: you feel like you have apologized to you need to on terms of family and people that you care about? tiger: yes. charlie: did it make you more vulnerable? tiger: not more vulnerable is the word. charlie: what would you say? tiger: i had to be honest with myself. that is part of going through what i went through, i messed up. i shunned a way a lot of things. i didn't communicate very well. i learned from it. on the flipside, fast-forward, i'm a better communicator now. i talk to people more on a deeper level. i learned a lot. charlie: if she has forgiven you

that is a starting point for you. tiger: she has forgiven me a long time ago. we have worked hard on creating an environment with our kids. she is one of my best friends. not many say that about their exes. charlie: so your dad is gone, the humiliation in which you have dealt with, and then injuries. when you look at losing, are those things responsible or is it something we don't understand? at the same time, tiger woods has had good seasons like 2013. tiger: player of the year. charlie: i am struggling understand why you are not playing like you used to play. as i assume you are. if you don't know how can anyone

know? there are all kinds of suggestions. tiger: there are a lot of armchair quarterbacks. i have had three back operations and that has taken its toll. charlie: not the athlete physically. tiger: i have torn achilles, torn meniscus. i have gone through physically a lot. i have changed my swing three times. trying to combat that. charlie: because of the pain and trying to get around certain injuries? tiger: and not duplicate them. ♪

♪ charlie: what is the best advice you have gotten? for getting back to you want to be? tiger: the advice of my dad. his famous line, you get out of it what you put into it. you get out of it what you put into it. if you work hard you will get the results. if you don't work hard you don't deserve it. you didn't earn it. charlie: how much of it is physical and how much is mental? tiger: for me the mental comes from the physicality. from having great practice sessions and training sessions

and going on the golf course with the guys, taking that into a tournament, then major championships. all of those progressions, it starts with hitting putts. it is liked how i learned the game. it is the progression. it does not happen overnight. it takes a lot of effort. charlie: the mental part, everybody knew you had early when you went into the u.s. amateur all of the tools. the mental stuff was so important. you wanted to win and you wanted to -- not just win, you wanted to win that tournament. you wanted to beat the hell out of everyone who was there. that was the mindset you had.

you were a killer. tiger: wenning was fun. beating somebody was better. charlie: why is that? tiger: i don't know, i have always had that. if you win a race by a second or two it feels better if you win it by five or six. striking four five guys out. throwing a no-hitter is better. absolutely. winning a golf tournament by one or two is great. but five or six is even better. >> it must be terrible hard -- terribly hard to accept this. tiger: it has been terribly hard not to do the things it would take to get to that level. that is simply just practicing. charlie: you have a strong confidence and your dad did in hard work. tiger: that is where it stems from.

charlie: ben hogan believed in the same thing. that is how he came back from a car accident. he said it is in the dirt. tiger: correct. you have to go earn it. charlie: you have these coaches, that they will have a swing for you. i wonder if you need a swing coach because you had a good swing. you say you have to adjust a new swing because of the injuries which changed your body? tiger: and having the mindset, the correct mindset to go into a change, and applying it to creating a method that i think would be better and more efficient. that is what i was always trying to do. that is why i have gone through swing coaches. i have hurt my body. let's not repeat that. let's try a different way. i believe in that mindset.

let's create this method and go down that road. let's master that. that didn't work. let's do it again. charlie: there were people who have described you, you were so self focused and thinking about the game, you did not seem to pay a lot of attention to other people. tiger: people who were closest to me yes. i was uncomfortable being out in public -- charlie: so it was shyness? rather than arrogance and being a jerk? tiger: i was always very shy. when i was little i had a speech impediment and i used to stutter badly. i had to go to a special afterschool program to learn how to speak correctly. i sat in the back of the classroom. if you called on me i could not speak.

the teacher would just pass on me. i had to learn how to speak. that was hard. i could read and write. but i could not speak. i did not want to speak to anybody. i did not want to talk to anybody. having to go through that difficult time early on in my childhood probably is what shaped me to what i am now. charlie: people who know golf and know you, they believe you can come back. they believe that the elite can come back. and it is and it is making sure you face a new reality, which is what you are talking about. i hit it differently today. i have to compensate. pick out a new way to win. tiger: most 40-year-olds cannot dunk from the 40 yard line. i have to go a different way.

that is part of the evolution of my game. you have to find a different way to do it. there is nothing wrong with that. as you alluded to jack won the masters at the age of 46. those guys were not overpowering golf courses. they did it with their minds, they did it strategically. charlie: that is what you can do. tiger: that is what i have done in the past but also have the physicality. charlie: you have lost a little bit of the physicality. tiger: the bunker is now a 320. [laughter] charlie: when you were at your best with the idea of laying up was not something that went into your head. tiger: because of the fact i could pull off the shots and i was far enough down there. relative to the field i was one of the longest players. that was it to 1996. charlie: now it is 320.

tiger: the number coming back, most were still using persimmon. my carry number was 280. right now i can come out and hit a three with 280. it's a different game than what it was then. the game of golf has gotten so much bigger and longer. relative to the field i am not what i used to be. numbers wise i am longer than i i used to be. charlie: it is also said you don't intimidate like you used to that is part of what you have. you intimidated everybody. you came expecting to win and they saw you they expect to lose . tiger: i don't know what they were thinking. i expected to beat them, yes. charlie: you expected to win. that is what the demand on me is because of what i have achieved.

tiger: forget what i have achieved i expect to win and i expect to beat you. because of the work i have put in. charlie: some people work hard. some people can't work as hard as i can. tiger: i don't know how they work or derive their own confidence. some players derive from practice. some like to play a bunch of tournaments. for most of my career, i have really haven't played that much. some have played up to close to 30 events. i have never done that. i have tried to pick for four times the year. when i was younger it was harder. i only had the u.s. junior. three years in a row. i did that for a couple of years. then, as a pro, four times.

charlie: when do you think you'll come back? tiger: i'm hoping to come back in december. charlie: in december. tiger: yes. charlie: you believe you can do that and you will be ready? something between withdrawing from safeway and competing there. tiger: more hard work. charlie: this game. of all of the tournaments which meant the most to you question -- to you? was it the first masters when you were 21? tiger: meant the most or the hardest to win? charlie: both. tiger: meant the most was the 97 masters. the hardest one was the last one in 2008. my leg was broken. charlie: you played through that. tiger: no a.c.l.. my leg was broken. charlie: how did you do that? tiger: hell if i know. i don't know how i pulled that off.

charlie: you said to me today what you love about the game is winning, but more specifically beating somebody. that is what you love. tiger: that is fun. charlie: what is it about the military? what is it about the navy seals that had you so engaged, obsessed, admiring? charlie: my dad was in special forces. being around special forces operators on my life, i have seen that world. that world is difficult, yes but it is also comparable to me. i was raised in it. some of my best friends were operators. the guys who were operating became retired and we still play golf.

that was a world that i had grown up in. was it a big jump from me to participate and see it in a different light? not really. being a military brat, that is what i was used to. charlie: one of your caddies said you were thinking about giving up golf to become a navy seal. tiger: i told my dad i want to either become a person the military or a golfer or businessman. i got a chance to become a golfer and a businessman. i just didn't go into the military. charlie: arnold palmer died in the last couple of weeks. what did he mean to you? tiger: he was a friend. a person that i could pick up the phone and call. we would wrap about different things.

and how many conversations and dinners i've had with him, some great memories. one of the fondest memories i have was at napa in college. he invited me over for dinner. i went over and had dinner with him. arnold got the tab. i'm not going to say no. my coach found out. ncaa, i'm declared ineligible. i go to the all-american in el paso. i have to write arnold palmer a $25 check for my state dinner. -- steak dinner. he has to cash the check, faxed a copy back then i was declared eligible to play in the

all-american. charlie: how about jack niklaus? what is your relationship with him? do you believe he is the greatest golfer to live? tiger: i think i'm pretty good, too. i think he and i would have a hell of a duel. i think right now i could kick his -- he's 71 right now. [laughter] charlie: 40 would beat 70. tiger: jack has always been one of my heroes. i looked up to him. lusted for hisou record? tiger: i wouldn't say lusted. i think that was the gold standard. he had one the most majors and the second most tour events. he was the most efficient at the highest level for the longest period of time. how did he do it?

he didn't play that much. he played a limited schedule. he paced himself and tried to get ready for times year. he was better at it that anybody else that come along. here he is at 18. charlie: and you are at 14. you believe you will have more than 18. tiger: correct. charlie: and if you don't? you will say-- tiger: i didn't get there. charlie: you said it is in fact anything that i went from now is gravy. you know you are in the hall of fame, there are record books, regardless people say you are the greatest because they saw that run, and the the level of that name and i've never seen anything like it. the comment that bobby jones made a bad check. that is not a game i am familiar with. jack said that is not a game i am familiar with.

tiger: it is a generational thing. it, jackas hitting could not hit it that far. it, k could not hit it that far. technologies have changed. it has changed greatly. i was able to do things jack was not able to do because of equipment, jack could not do things because bobby jones did because of equipment. we are all efficient with what we did. we did it better than most people did. charlie: some say that the great ones never lose the fire the only lose their ability. that is true, isn't it? tiger: there will be a point where i will not be able to do it. charlie: how will you know? tiger: i will be able to prepare and be ready to go out there and win. for me if i'm not able to prepare to win, then i cannot do it anymore.

charlie: what do you want to be known for other than a great golfer and a great businessman? tiger: what we have done for all of the kids through our learning labs. i think the whole second part of my life will probably be even better and more impactful than what i did as a golfer. ♪

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