announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: we begin overseas, where iraqi interest groups are pushing toward isis positions around mosul. one american servicemen has been killed and isis fighters are resorting to suicide attacks in an effort to slow the advance. as many as 50 isis fighters attacked the city of kirkuk as a diversion. holly williams and her crew raced to the scene. holly: isis infiltrated kirkuk overnight and laid siege to neighborhoods across the city. [gunfire]

holly: we were with this kurdish swat team today as they fought a gunbattle with isis. the surprise attack started with multiple suicide bombings before the extremists holed up inside buildings, including this house under construction. >> there are between six to eight isis fighters inside that building. holly: that building over there? on the streets below, the bodies of dead isis extremists, as well as local residents who could not move for fear of being shot. the swat team began firing tear gas canisters, throwing up a smokescreen before sending a team into the building. they have been shooting at the building and firing tear gas canisters. now the assault team is about to go in. but as they approached, they came under fire, and one of them

was hit. one of the swat team was injured. they had to pull back, and now they are starting to pin the isis gunmen down inside the building. the commander is from kirkuk and told us he will fight isis until every last one of the extremists is dead. what is in their heads? revenge, he said, for the mosul offensive. charlie: joining me from northern iraq is holly williams of cbs news. so what is happening in the battle towards mosul as kurdish peshmerga troops march towards there? and the prime minister of iraq says they are going faster than he expected. holly: prime minister haider al-abadi said the offensive is progressing faster than he expected. it is difficult to comment on that.

i don't know how fast he was expecting it to go. but i spent most of this week on the front line, and i can tell you it is going pretty slowly. kurdish and iraqi forces are taking back villages and towns on the outskirts of mosul, but it is very slow going. i mean, they are up against roadside bombs, they are up against suicide car bombers, bombs in cars and trucks laden with explosives and driven at high speed toward the front line. some of the isis fighters in these villages are willing to fight to the death. this, after all, is a death cult that many people joined because they want to become a martyr. even if isis runs away from some of those villages, when the kurdish and iraqi forces get there, they find the buildings, the houses in those villages rigged with homemade bombs, with explosives, and they have to clear those before they can move on. so they have taken back a number of villages and towns, but it is

pretty slow going. charlie: i mentioned peshmerga, who else is involved in this fight? holly: it is kurdish and iraqi forces so far. when things begin to heat up, when things begin to move towards mosul city itself, i think we will see the participation of more local sunni militias. and then you have iraq's shiite militias. now, they have been effective in defeating isis in other parts of the country, but they are also accused of carrying out atrocities, of exacting retribution on local sunni muslim populations. now my understanding is that they are not going to go into mosul city, they are going to fight on the southwest edge of the city. charlie: what is happening to the people inside mosul? holly: we know very little. there are around one million residents inside mosul. isis tries to stop them communicating with the outside world.

it has prevented them from leaving. mobile phones are banned. some people are getting out. they often have very little intelligence. they can say what is happening in their neighborhood, they can talk about friends and neighbors who may have been imprisoned or tortured or executed, but they don't necessarily have any intelligence about the big picture. interestingly, earlier this week, isis put out a propaganda video claiming to show life going on as normal inside mosul, with street scenes, market stalls, that kind of thing. but they also put out a couple of execution videos from mosul, barbaric execution videos that we have seen many times before from isis. and that is just a reminder that also is part of normal life under isis in mosul. charlie: there are reports that isis is using human shields. holly: yeah, the united nations has said it has information that several hundred families have

been taken by isis and are specifically being used as human shields. we can't confirm that, but what we can say is that the one million or so civilians inside mosul are all potentially human shields, because isis is preventing them from leaving. and remember, the fighting we have seen so far has all been on the outskirts of mosul. most of those towns and villages are uninhabited. the residents left two years ago when isis blitzed across northern iraq, yet it is still slow going. imagine how much more difficult is going to be when the forces get into mosul itself, a densely packed urban area. they are fighting street to street, and u.s. coalition airstrikes will be much more difficult because of the risk of massive civilian casualties. charlie: understanding that, how well has american and coalition air power been used so far in the advance, as well as artillery? holly: i think it has been

instrumental. we have seen airstrikes that have taken out isis, vehicles that have taken out buildings that are being used by isis. there is no doubt that it has an enormous impact on the fight against isis. earlier this week, we were in a village. isis had built a network of tunnels under that village, where they were hiding out. the u.s. coalition had intelligence that was the case, and they managed to hit those tunnels with four different airstrikes. they are enormously useful. interestingly, today, the peshmerga, the kurdish forces, put out a statement saying the u.s. coalition airstrikes had not been as useful as they hoped in the fight against isis to the north of mosul. charlie: how many directions are they advancing on mosul? certainly from the north, i assume from the east? holly: most of the fighting is from the north, east, and south.

so we have iraqi forces closing in from the south. on the east, a mixture of iraqi and kurdish forces. from the north, mainly kurdish forces. charlie: is there any conflict between the forces who are opposing isis in mosul, in terms of they come from different strategic interests and different cultural and historical backgrounds? holly: as you know, there are very, very deep divisions along ethnic and religious lines in iraq. so far in this offensive, i am not aware of any infighting, but in recent months there has been infighting between the shiite militias and kurdish forces, both ostensibly enemies of isis. but they are jostling for position also in iraq. of course, the big fear here is that during the offensive inside mosul, and perhaps even after isis has been defeated, those different groups come into conflict with each other.

charlie: mosul is primarily a sunni city, or not? holly: that is correct, it is predominantly a sunni muslim arab city. charlie: how long do they think the battle will last? holly: i don't know, and i don't think anybody knows the answer to that. there are a lot of variables there. first of all, what is isis going to do? we think they have fewer than 5000 fighters in the city. are they going to stay and fight to the death, or run away? secondly, think about the iraqi forces are going to be the driving force inside mosul city. iraqi soldiers ran away two years ago when isis went across northern iraq. since then, the u.s. military says they have been retrained, that it is an entirely new army, ready to take on isis. let's see if that's true in this battle for mosul.

the third really important factor is the people of mosul themselves. what are they going to do? when isis first took mosul, many residents were on the streets cheering them on because in a predominantly sunni muslim city, many of those residents were simply fed up with the iraqi government in baghdad, which is dominated by shiite muslims. have they changed their minds? do they no longer see isis as revolutionaries, as heroes and , will they rise up against isis during this offensive? charlie: there has been one american casualty. what is the american presence on the ground, and what is the risk to them? holly: that is an interesting question. when you talk to officers in the u.s. military, they insist that their role during this offensive is to advise and assist the iraqis, and that the iraqis are directing this offensive and the americans and u.s. coalition is simply there to help. certainly, that is what they are doing with airstrikes, with

artillery that is south of mosul being used to hit isis. however, we have seen american troops close to the front line, for instance north of mosul. they don't want to be captured on camera, they don't want to talk to us but they are there. we also saw some other coalition troops from a european country firing on isis from the frontline. charlie: so they are exposed? holly: the u.s. military stresses that they are not in combat roles, but this is still a combat environment, and it's dangerous. charlie: to acknowledge they will be defensive if they have to be. they will engage in combat. holly: i'm sure that's the case. charlie: finally, there's the question of where is abu bakr al-baghdadi. you have a sense of who is running the isis troops inside of mosul? holly: that is so mysterious, and abu bakr al-baghdadi's whereabouts are also mysterious. the u.s. military told us that

they have intelligence that some isis leaders and their families are fleeing mosul already ahead of this offensive and are heading west toward syria, towards some of the strongholds isis has their. raqqa, for instance. whether that includes abu bakr al-baghdadi and his family, we don't know. charlie: we can tell whether they have closed the route from mosul, which has been a primary route from mosul to raqqa? that is still open for them to flee? holly: they still have territory that connects those cities. charlie: thank you so much for joining us. holly williams, cbs news. back in a moment, stay with us. ♪

♪ charlie: zeid ra'ad al hussein is here. he is a member of the u.n. commission for human rights. he addressed this in a special session, calling aleppo a slaughterhouse. he also warned of the possible use of human shields. i'm pleased to have him back on this program. welcome. zeid ra'ad al hussein: thank you so much. charlie: i think this is the first time you have been here since your election to the u.n. high commission for human rights. you said that the bombardment of aleppo constitutes crimes of a historic proportion. tell me what is happening, and

why it brings such strong language? zeid ra'ad al hussein: even on the scale of the atrocities that we have witnessed in syria -- not just in syria, also in iraq, it is almost one battle space. the fact that you have 275,000 or so people hemmed in, having endured the privations of war for a number of years, and then being subjected to this bombing, which seems utterly indiscriminate -- bakeries, hospitals, schools, there is almost nowhere that is safe in eastern aleppo. and now, of course, being put in a situation where they have to make choices. but then the main point, charlie, is that they have to make the choices. if they want to leave, we should be able to bring them out. if they want to stay, we should

be able to at least afford them some form of protection. and if they want to leave and return, that should be possible as well. charlie: we have seen the horrific pictures of children, stunned by the toll of war. zeid ra'ad al hussein: disgraceful. how can we take pride of the achievements of humanity in the 21st century when our newspapers, the internet, on your show -- we all are exposed to these -- the suffering on an extreme scale. and how could we not be moved? as you rightly suggested, it is not just limited to one particular location, but because we see other crimes being committed in many parts of the world, these are allegations the most part that have to be proven in courts. but what does it say about us? charlie: why are we impotent? zeid ra'ad al hussein: at the moment, we seem to have

completely lost our way. my interpretation is that the narrowest agendas are eclipsing the interests of the broader whole. there is a sort of greediness, a pursuit of -- a sort of -- i don't know if you can describe it as strategic, but it seems to be razor thin. and it comes at the expense of communities, of cultures, of people around the world. it is difficult to explain. charlie: let's set the stage. where is aleppo in syria? zeid ra'ad al hussein: it is in the northwestern quadrant, not far from the turkish border. charlie: it's second-largest city, after damascus. there is the east and the west. the west is occupied by the

regime. the east is occupied primarily by forces opposed to the regime. who are they? zeid ra'ad al hussein: it is a collection of armed groups. and of course you have heard the russians make the argument that parts of this opposition are the ideological twin of isil, and they enjoy the support of the western powers and regional powers. charlie: is that true? zeid ra'ad al hussein: to a certain extent, yes. to a certain extent, that is the case. but what we have seen in eastern aleppo is we have also condemned the use of mortars, mortars that have incendiary heads to them, the use of these by the armed groups. but what we have seen recently is that the vast majority of

casualties are, as a result of the aerial bombing by the syrian air force, together with its allies -- charlie: the russian air force and the syrian air force. doing the bombing. would sanctions be appropriate now? would they have an impact? or would they cause either forces to do something different or restrain themselves, or come to some kind of humanitarian effort? zeid ra'ad al hussein: i think the point i was trying to make yesterday -- or rather earlier today -- before the human rights council is that whatever the position of either side or the three sides or the five sides in this chess game, the level and degree of human suffering surely now, needs to be at the forefront of everyone's mind. whatever advantage can be gained by taking aleppo or defending

aleppo, this must be outweighed by the pounding of flesh and blood that has occurred over the last few days that needs to now stop. we have a pause, we have to hope this pause is lengthened and this opens a way to some very concerted effort to bring this war eventually to an end. surely you cannot hope to have a stable part of the mediterranean and beyond that, if this continues in the same way. and we have iraq next-door. charlie: this would not be happening without the russian support of assad. zeid ra'ad al hussein: the russians have stated repeatedly they are taking every effort to avoid civilian casualties as a result of aerial military operations. in every case, whether it be the bombings we see in yemen or the bombing we have seen in

afghanistan or in syria, in every case, we ask for a proper investigation, where we believe the targeting to be indiscriminate and possibly a war crime. and if it was intentional, they may be a crime against humanity. surely there must be a proper investigation and follow through with that. this is what we need to do. charlie: you calling it a war crime has created a response in terms of people taking notice in newspapers and online all day today. what you have said. what was the reaction at the united nations? zeid ra'ad al hussein: i think there is a sort of very lively debate that took place in geneva today on this issue. and i haven't seen the detailed responses, but i can imagine that the reactions would be quite strong.

i have no reservations about making those comments, because as you yourself said, the simple exposure to what we have seen in photographic imagery, the sources that have been relating this information to us, make it very clear that the bombing seems to be indiscriminate in many aspects. and therefore, one has to draw the conclusion, and subject to a confirmation by court at a later stage, that what we are seeing before us is indeed the commission of massive war crimes. charlie: do syrian people in the east, men, women and children, want to evacuate? zeid ra'ad al hussein: at the moment, it does not look like it. i think they are fearful of what may happen to them once they leave their homes. horrific as it may be to remain in their homes, they seem to want to stay, unless further guarantees potentially are given

to them. but for the time being, it does not look like they want to leave. charlie: fear of the unknown. zeid ra'ad al hussein: they fear the unknown, yes. charlie: we know that after the balkans, there were people who were convicted of war crimes and went to jail. that is what you are suggesting. people who perpetuate this should be tried and, if convicted, put in jail. zeid ra'ad al hussein: that's correct. i think we have to make a very decisive departure from a humanity that is unshackled, that feels that in wartime anything is possible. i think cicero once said that when a war starts, the law falls silent. the law should not fall silent. there have to be limits. to what combatants can do and should observe. i think clearly there has to be

no impunity for the commission of these sorts of crimes. charlie: there are others who argue that won't stop it, the only thing that will stop it will be a show of force against assad and the russians. obviously, humanitarian appeals are not working. do you think that is not a wise solution? zeid ra'ad al hussein: you touch on a very interesting point, because we used to believe that if enough people were horrified, as we saw in sarajevo -- i think -- the marketplace was bombed there, i think 68 people werethe killed, it was very graphic. charlie: and you discovered essentially the equivalent of genocide. zeid ra'ad al hussein: this is the case. that feeling has been that if you show people what is happening around the world that they begin to mobilize and react. what we are worried about now is that people feel tranquilized, almost. they are numb. they don't know what to make of it all. and so the resultant pressure

that you want to see on governments, the un security council, it does not seem to be there. notwithstanding the attempts with people like yourself or us in the human rights field in the u.n., and so there is an intense frustration. i mean, you hope that people realize that when you see enough killing and wanton destruction, that we cannot possibly advance as humanity if we prolong this. charlie: it reminds me of the notion that unless you do something, history will judge you very badly. zeid ra'ad al hussein: i think so, i think so. i mean, the pursuit of a narrow tactical gain, the pursuit even of a strategic gain at the expense of a very large number of innocent lives will not shield you from future indictment, whether it be by

historians or by prosecutors. your reputation will be so entirely sullied, and deservedly so. and so the long eye -- for one, you should not be doing it anyway. there are rules, the basic rules of proportionality, distinction, and precaution. proportionality, the attack has to be proportionate to the threat. distinction, you must distinguish between civilians and armed combatants. and take every precaution to ensure civilian casualties do not occur. charlie: does this need leadership from a nationstate, or can the united nations be the rallying point for doing something? zeid ra'ad al hussein: i think it is a combination of different factors. it needs leadership at the international level, and the united nations has been trying to create the right atmosphere to create the right space for

these efforts to bear fruit. one person i think has been heroic in what he has been trying to achieve. we from our side will continue to report, and we will continue to speak out, no matter what the identity of the attacker. whoever is attacking, if there are victims that have suffered excruciatingly -- or not, even if they are not suffering injuries that are that bad -- we will still say something on their behalf. charlie: what do you worry about in mosul? the battle for mosul? zeid ra'ad al hussein: we have been very clear, and i'm sure you have discussed this earlier today, that the use of human shields by isil is deeply worrisome. we have heard they have kept certain communities close to their places of concentration. we have heard they have been moving populations from villages toward mosul. if there is any resistance,

there have been allegations of on the spot executions, which we're looking at. and the final analysis, what we are worried about is that those parts of the outer parts of mosul and as you move in, the iraqi security forces, the military, won't be alone, that you will have these other armed groups. and as we saw in fallujah, they exacted their retribution on those who had surrendered. this places the people of fallujah in a very difficult situation. of course, you would assume they would want to flee from isil, but if they flee into the path of an oncoming armed group representing one of the militia and are exposed to atrocities from that side as well, they are placed before an impossible situation.

what we hope and we have called for the iraqi government to observe is that any vetting of any fighters over 15 years old needs to be done by authorized military personnel, not by other armed groups. charlie: what they call instant adjudication. zeid ra'ad al hussein: and this is an important point -- when they see a young fighter who they believe is from isil, to remember that person is a child first and possibly connected to isil second, not the other way around. charlie: you have a tough job. thank you for coming. we will be right back. ♪

charlie: "moonlight" is the new film from barry jenkins. it is an adaptation of the play "in moonlight, black boys look blue." the film focuses on three pivotal time periods of the young man as he comes to terms with his sexuality and struggles to find his identity. ta-nehisi coates writes the film has the best take on black masculinity ever. here is a look. >> what did you think tonight?

come on, you just drove down here? >> yeah. >> i try not to remember. try to forget all those things. >> at some point, you got to decide for yourself who you are going to be. can't let nobody make that decision. >> you want to tell him why the other boys kick his ass all the time? >> i have seen it, and you ain't it. >> i am your only, i am your only.

>> i ain't seen you in like a decade. not what i expected. >> what did you expect? charlie: joining me is the writer-director of the film, and three of its stars -- trevante rhodes, naomie harris, and andre holland. i'm pleased to have them here at this table for the first time. in telluride, they are raving about you, and at other film festivals. what is it that you hoped to accomplish with this film? barry: people have said it is a story that does not get told often with characters we don't see often. they are like voiceless.

one of my greatest hopes for the film, and what -- and it is what i have experienced at the festivals -- these places far removed from the setting of the film, which is inner-city miami -- that people can see themselves in these characters who they assume are nothing like them, and it has been my experience that people are finding a way to genuinely empathize with the story we are telling and the characters we are showing. charlie: you know miami? barry: born and raised. charlie: how did that shape the story? barry: hugely. there is almost a synesthesia that happens when you are working in a place you know. there is a scene in the film where a character says, sometimes the breeze comes through the hood. where i grew up is three miles from the ocean, so you can smell it. i think knowing those kinds of things, you go into a location more confident that it is going to have the same emotional currency you felt growing up. charlie: tell us who chiron is. trevante: he is a beautiful,

flawed individual coming to terms with who he is, finding a relationship with his mother, trying to understand life. naomie: his mother is paula, a struggling single parent who is dealing with quite a severe crack cocaine addiction. charlie: what is interesting is you see him in different parts of his life. how hard is that to pull off? barry: i thought it would be impossible, but the mother stays the same. i wanted to have a foundation or bedrock, and naomie as paula was the bedrock. i think the time between the chapters is changing the character. these young men are shaped so much by their environment, i want him to be the same character but a different person in each chapter. our hope was that if we found actors who had the same feeling in their eyes, we could see the soul across all the parts.

i think that is what people are steering thing. charlie: andre, what was the challenge for you? andre: i play kevin, a childhood friend, and then goes on to be an object of his affection. the challenge was i came in at the end of the film, out of nowhere, and we don't really understand why he has come back. they are on screen for a problem, we don't know quite what the motivation of the character is, so that was the challenge. but once we found that -- charlie: this is what ta-nehisi coates said, who has been on this program and is much admired throughout the united states and europe. he said barry has the ability to capture black folks in their ordinariness, without making declarations. so often movies about blackness or lgbt issues engage in the debate about whether we are human or not, and barry stepped right past that. he is saying it is not an argument worth having. he tells the viewer, you have to

accept this, accept that they are human. barry: i would wholeheartedly agree, and not just because it is ta-nehisi coates. terrel and i are from this particular neighborhood, and both of our moms are portrayed by naomie, so the idea that the characters are human is not a foreign concept. we were just trying to accurately portray what we experienced growing up. you do that, you would have something both specific and universal, as you are not thinking about this issue or that issue. charlie: we talk about masculinity and identity. are they one in the same? barry: for this character, i think they are the same. there is a performance of masculinity that the world is projecting at you always. this is how he walks, talks, speaks to another man or woman. when you are getting that stimulus the outside world, you start to lose your grip on what

your idea of masculinity is, which if you are a man growing up in our world, is very key to your identity. becomes harder to self identify the more you are receiving the both positive and negative reinforcement of what masculinity should look like. charlie: at the age that you play him and the connection to andre, did you look at the earlier performances? trevante: no actually, barry did not allow it at all. he forebode it. i guess that was to depict how we changed so drastically throughout our lives. [laughter] barry: i feel like the world is shaping the characters so much that when you meet him in each chapter, he has become a different person.

i wanted to keep the soul of the character, but he is a different person. and it is great because he and andre reached a point where the old person comes back to the surface. charlie: you come to the realization that he is gay. how does that affect the relationship his mother has with him? naomie: she can't accept it, finds it disgusting and unpalatable. it is part of the further rejection of her son. i think she genuinely fears for his safety and what that means for growing up in the community they are growing up in. it is not something that is going to be accepted by anyone in that community. charlie: is homosexuality different in terms of the culture relationships in the black community? barry: i wouldn't say so. i think homophobia is something that maybe is inherently in conflict with masculinity. i don't know if it is in conflict with blackness. there is a scene in the film

where the kids are shooting football in the first story, playing the game we call throw a tackle. throw a newspaper, and whoever catches it, everybody tackles that kid. it is about power. one of my friends, a white guy from the suburbs, middle-class, said, what is that game they are playing? throw a tackle, whoever gets the paper you tackle them. he said, where i grew up we call it smear the queer. we never called it that. he is from a white middle-class community in ohio. but one community called it in sexual terms, and another community it is just about power. one community labeled it overtly homophobic, and the other does not have those associations. i think it is about perception, and i do think it is why the theme of masculinity was so important to the film. i think it is why people -- i have been to telluride, london,

and people are still seeing themselves in the film. charlie: it is about the search for identity. barry: the search for identity, and also as men -- the way other men around us, boys, teenagers, adults, they are always trying to reinforce what a man looks and sounds like. men all over the world can identify with that pressure. charlie: how did his first sexual experience affect him? trevante: i think it confused him profoundly. he knew who he was, but he did not know this person he felt a connection with was the same way, and he did not understand, or he did not understand how to feel, i think. charlie: because you were so close and you knew the author and the neighborhood, did you

have to direct more because you had such a deeply felt sense of this story? barry: no one has asked that question, but i did, and i thought i would have to direct less. then i got there, and particularly when naomie showed up, because we had an issue with her visa. we thought we would do her work in seven days, then three weeks -- we did in three days. directing someone who looks like your mom and is starting to sound like your mom and is being your mom is intense. i had to compartmentalize my personal life, and also, it was impossible to keep it separate from the work, but i think it made the work better. we did some things i had not considered, but i think were very inspired. charlie: you obviously wanted her badly. barry: yes. charlie: why was that? barry: she is the only character in all three films, she is the bedrock. i also thought it would take a lot of skill to do the things she was doing, which were very

dark and, in some cases, ugly, and still preserve the humanity of the character. i felt like someone as gifted and amazing as naomie harris could pull it off. [laughter] charlie: how does kevin change? andre: pretty drastically. he is acting out the performance of masculinity, particularly in the second story, but by the third story, he has become a more vulnerable, authentic person. he has liberated himself and found a way to reach out for this guy and draw him out of himself. charlie: what was the most challenging thing for you, barry? barry: getting past the initial hurdle -- i thought i would hide behind the role as the playwright, because our lives were so similar -- it was his biography, not mine. it was difficult, but it was it was difficult, but it was difficult to get to the point where i was like, no, this is my story. charlie: what are the autobiographical elements for you? barry: everything involving the mother. it is a composite between myself

and terrel. when the keys came to me, it was the first thing i saw in it, because some of these things i had gone through with my mom, and not talked about them often. getting to the point where i accepted i was going to tell the story was the biggest hurdle for me. charlie: are you surprised by the reaction? how do you measure it? barry: i wrote a journal about a week before the movie premiered, telling myself what i thought of the film, one i was proud of, and in the end, i decided i was proud of it, no matter what anybody thought. charlie: are you finding that people want to communicate with you because of this film? barry: big-time. charlie: why are you laughing? barry: people are deeply moved to see themselves are presented. these guys did such a great job that they are seeing it in a very true way. they're like, how did you know this? i didn't, but i'm glad you saw it.

charlie: this is another scene with a drug dealer returning the nine-year-old back to his mother. >> what happened, tyrone? why he didn't you come home like you are supposed to? and who is you? >> nobody. i found him yesterday. found him in a hole on 15th. some boys chased him. he is scared more than anything. would not tell me where he lives. >> he usually can take care of himself. he is good that way. >> little man.

charlie: who did the adaptation? barry: i did. and i wrote it really quickly, because it just came pouring out of me. 10 days, the first draft. charlie: each of you, tell me about your reaction, having experienced this film and the message of it, in the feeling you were part of something that resonates? naomie: it has been an extraordinary journey. that is so incredible to see people who you would not naturally think are represented in the story be so deeply moved about it. that has the ability to strip back all the labels we attach to ourselves, that society attaches, and just connect profoundly with people's hearts and say, this is a story about humanity and humanity's search for connection and identity. that is universal. charlie: paula has a strength as well as vulnerability? naomie: absolutely. she has a tough exterior, but

underneath that, she is a woman in pain. charlie: thank you to all of you. there is much talk about future awards, and i wish you well. back in a moment. ♪ charlie: we leave you tonight with a special and exclusive performance by ms. lauryn hill. she just released an updated version of her 2002 hit song "rebel/i find it hard to say." she said this -- new version, same context, even more relevant. the song is available to download, and her world tour kicked off this week in los angeles. from our studio in new york city, here is ms. lauryn hill performing "rebel/i find it hard to say." >> ♪

lauryn: ♪ i find it hard to say that everything is all right don't look at me that way like everything is all right 'cause my own eyes can see through all your false pretenses

but what you fail to see is all the consequences you think our lives are cheap and easy to be wasted as history repeats so foul you can taste it and while the people sleep too comfortable to face it his life so incomplete that nothing can replace it replace it we can go down this way rebel

and what i gotta say is rebel it can't go down this way rebel and while the people sleep too comfortable to face it your lives so incomplete and nothing can replace it fret not thyself i say against these laws of man 'cause like the bible says

his blood is on their hands and what i gotta say is rebel no, it can't go down this way rebel and what i gotta say is rebel oh no, it can't go down rebel and what i gotta say is rebel oh no, it can go down, can go down

rebel are you satisfied? are you satisfied? are you satisfied? are you satisfied? rebel, rebel, rebel, rebel, rebel, rebel you got to rebel you got to rebel you got to rebel >> ♪ can't go down can't go down can't go down can't go down ♪ lauryn: ♪ no, you can't you can live stand up and live

stand up and live stand up and live stand up and live stand up and live stand up and live stand up and live stand up and live stand up and live stand up and live stand up and live stand up and live you got to rebel you got to rebel you got to rebel you got to rebel you got to rebel you got to rebel you got to rebel you got to rebel stand up and live can't go down no, we can't go down no, we can't go down

no, we can't go no, no, no, no no, no, no no, no, no no, no, no no, no, no it can't go down no, it can't go down can't go down can't go down can't go down can't go down stand up and live stand up and live stand up and live stand up and live stand up and live stand up and live stand up and live stand up and live ♪

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