john: was all due respect to chris christie, don't worry, you can still bring donald trump to mcdonald's. ♪ john: the democratic party contemplates its future and the world loses a musical genius. but first, contemplating an insider cabinet. donald trump was hold up inside of his skyscraper. to sittingaddition

down for an interview with "60 minutes," donald trump started the process of organizing the government. he told the world that his number two, my tense, would take e, would takepenc over his transitional endeavors. dozens of names have been floated. sarah palin for secretary of the interior is one. -- some are the swamp dwellers and the co elites that donald trump spent his campaign the spiriting. flynn took a gamble backing donald trump early in the race and may want to be part of the administration. then there are people like

kellyanne conway and jared kushner. ande are devoted operatives may be recruited to work in the new administration, or as advisors. we're told that paul ryan and mitch mcconnell told donald trump yesterday when he was in washington that they would like to see reince priebus as chief of staff. the third group is washington, d.c. insiders like stephen hadley, who could be secretary of defense, along with bob corker of tennessee and john fulton. who has the inside track? john: one thing we know about donald trump is that loyalty grammatic -- really matters to him. chris christie got a little bit

of a demotion today, but i think he will be paid back in some way. mark: i disagree, i think he will get no job. john: on what basis? --k: that jerry krishna jared kushner does not want him in the government. john: explain to the world why he would be opposed. mark: when chris christie was the u.s. attorney, he indicted and convicted jared kushner's father. chris christie got shut out of being vice president because of this and i think he may be shutout of any job in the administration because of this. john: he will still go to mcdonald's with him, though, right? rudy giuliani, secretary of state? john: attorney general appeared mark: i don't think he will be

attorney general. john: rudy giuliani is probably senate confirmable. mark: i think he wants to be secretary of state. john: this is one of the things donald has to contemplate, who is confirmable? chiefhe picked bannon as of staff, but he is so controversial. john: one thing past administrations have done in order to avoid -- mark: one thing past administration said done in order to avoid controversy is to announce groups of people. i think you will see jared kushner not taking government jobs because of nepotism but he will be a highly influential figure. john: let us be clear, stephen -- had a huge role

in getting donald trump elected. -- if donaldbe trump with them in the most careful -- powerful job in america next to president, it would create a firestorm given , itnature of breitbart would be the most inflammatory things donald trump could do. gave steve munchen will be secretary of state. i will say again, they are looking for a whole bunch of people. i don't think some people will get the jobs they want. john: it tells us a lot about whether the kind of noises donald trump have been -- has , it making, all of that will tell us a lot on his choice of chief of staff. reince priebus would be the

reassuring establishment friendly choice, just across the board. a republican president with all republican controlling washington, a relatively inclusive -- think we will see a democrat get a big cabinet job. anyone who has crossed them during the campaign -- john: they are out. i still want to ask this question, the bell rang. to think any of these really early -- do you think they will run national security? mark: i don't think corker will. john: a lot of these guys are neocons. talk the one guy we didn't about is senator sessions, i think he could be secretary -- general. john: since the election, anti-trump protests and racially

charged incidents seem to be on the rise geared demonstrations last night let to more than 150 arrests in los angeles and law enforcement in oregon used pepper spray and rubber bullets after what the police called "anarchists" begin vandalizing property. much of the political world is reflecting on donald trump's conciliatory demeanor after his c.it to washington, d may give up one of his habits, late-night twitter lashing. "just had a very successful political election, and now people are protesting. very unfair." he tried to walk things back this morning when just after 6:00 a.m., another tweet, "love

the fact that protesters have great passion for our country, we will all come together and be proud." and shamefulrzig incidents of racism, hate speech and hate crimes have been reported across the country in recent days. social media has showed white suppresses graffiti and other deeply disturbing incidents. >> parents of children in one middle school in michigan are upset after a group of children were heard chanting "build the wall." the teacher was not around in the room. people were in tears. >> dear muslims, immigrants, color,and all people of we love you boldly and proudly, we will endure. by thursday morning, the sun

looks like this. >> police are investigating the graffiti as a possible hate crime. john: beyond that, they're been multiple reports of americans being physically assaulted by what appeared to be donald trump supporters. the president-elect has not said anything about these occurrences. what obligation does donald he's president-elect, not the president yet -- what obligation does he have to speak out about these incredibly troubling occurrences? mark: this is a moment of truth because these things are happening. i won't say they are his. they are happening as a direct result of his candidacy and election. he bears some measure of responsibility. it would be good for his presidency, good for him as a person and good for the country

if he would condemn these things in no uncertain terms. i wish he would come up because he is going to get off to a slow out., and he should speak i don't know what he would not. john: if he wants to do what he says he wants to do is be president for all americans, he must speak out. it is not his fault that people are racist, but he ran a campaign that was, in some cases, directly racist, and in other cases exacerbated racist sympathies. he ran and ugly, divisive campaign. he won, but if he really wants to live up to what he is said, which is that he wants to bring the country together, he is to step forward and say, take some responsibility for having made the situation worse and renounce these acts, pronounce things he is said in the past and appeal to people's better self. mark: he needs to say that they

break his heart and they are not the best of america. john: i don't know what he is capable of saying, but i think if he were to take some measure of responsibility on himself and say, i know that in some cases in this campaign across the line and i incited -- -- i i but i don't think think it would be powerful if he just said these things break my heart and are not in the best beard of america. john: i think he needs to more than that. aboutwe will be talking the drama unfolding in the democratic party. more after work from our sponsors.

mark: democrats remain dazed in confused about what happened in the selection, but already there is a power struggle bring about who will lead the charge against a donald trump president the and who will lead the party through this difficult rebuilding phase. there has been an almost total lack of explanation from team clinton about what they think when ryan -- went wrong on tuesday night. the outgoing senate minority leader harry reid made no mention of his parties failings, but attacked donald trump, calling him "a sexual predator who lost the popular vote and children's campaign with the country and hate." howard dean is going to run for the position of party chair, he wants to return to the grassroots strategy. perez o'malley and tom

say they are also thinking about applying for the job. most of the momentum in this race early on teams to be building on minnesota hegressman keith ellison, already has the support of chuck schumer and bernie sanders. who is going to lead democratic opposition and what weapons do they have in their arsenal? john: it is a fascinating time for the democratic party, it is in such disarray. as you said yesterday, given the fact that the democrats don't control the house or senate, this could be the main voice of opposition. i think keith ellison right now, because of where the strength is in the party, may not be the right choice, but i think right now with bernie sanders backing him, i think he is the front runner. howard dean has done this job

before, but i have to say ascended forces, and why they think hillary clinton loss, what they think about how bernie sanders and the left were treated in the nomination, they have the whip hand in terms of taking control and winning the election for dnc chair. mark: who knows what dnc members are thinking. the parties are going to have to decide in the lame-duck session and then in the new congress, are they going to filibuster? what will be their story? if this were the republican party and the democratic -- democratic president, ted cruz will be talking about filibustering everything. the reality is donald trump could propose legislation that democrats like on some issues. john: infrastructure. mark: even tax reform here is going to see how organized

democrats are. how are they going to get on the same page about what to say about donald trump while they look for leaders for two years from now and for years from now? they have a tough senate match in two years. john: i will say something that many of the left will find heretical, if you look over donald trump's career, there is a reason why conservatives didn't like him, he had a lot of liberal positions. democrats could possibly take advantage of that. mark: we're going to switch back to republicans. we talk about donald trump's relationship with the branch on capitol hill. right after this. ♪

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is a republican congressman from oklahoma. how are you doing? how do you think donald trump is doing so far? i think he has behaved in a very presidential manner from election evening to his a public -- public appearances with the president. we are pretty giddy, if you are republican. we woke up tuesday morning thinking it would be four years of a firewall and woke up wednesday morning thinking we were going to be the tip of the spear. mark: you have majority control of both chambers and the white house, should donald trump consult nancy pelosi and chuck schumer or just you all? someobviously there are areas we will not agree.

we will disagree about tax policy and obamacare, but on something like infrastructure, if we can find common ground we should. mark: you don't think he should take into account what nancy pelosi and chuck schumer want on tax policy? tom: if you can find common ground you seek it and go forward. -- ilicans want tax codes think democrats like republicans think we have a lot of money stranded offshore. i can see areas where we can find common ground and we should do it. but we should also never we were given this mandate for reason and not be shy about using it on things like the repeal of obamacare where it are based feel strongly and frankly where republican members have never been supportive. we've had some discussion of who might fill important posts of the administration. chief of staff is one of these.

reince priebus is a name. we're also hearing the possibility of stephen bannon. what message would it send if mr. trump put stephen bannon in that job? tom: it is not my business to dictate who his personnel is. obviously i know reince priebus well and i think you send a spectacular job, but there are a lot of different people who can fill that role. that is ultimately the president-elect's decision. i think the republican members of congress will be happy to work with him. john: what message do you think would send if you put stephen bannon in that job? tom: it is not for me to interpret that. i think the most important thing is they have a strong relationship with the president

elect. that is his decision. we are going to work with whoever he chooses, and i will be that decision to the guy who won the presidency. mark: most of my discussions with people in the health care industry is that they don't love the affordable care act but they spent a lot of time adjusting to it. do as youour party repeal it to trying get the health care sector not disrupted again? tom: there are quite a few things that the house had laid out on its agenda. the president-elect talked about this in his campaign, things like selling insurance across state lines, health savings accounts, liability reform. i think this has to be done thoughtfully and will probably have to be done through reconciliation. it's not going to get a lot of democratic votes.

we are going to have to move carefully, but i think it is an important commitment that republicans have made, that they have made consistently over several years that at the end of the day it is essential we repeal of obamacare and replace it with something that in our view works better for the american people. mark: you think there is a workable consensus on this? tom: i think there is. quite friendly, even folks who might have questions or quibble with this or that at the end of the day, they will fall in line behind what the white house request. fortunate to have paul ryan as speaker, he probably knows more about these policy issues than anybody else in congress. he is not just a political tactician, he is a policy guy. houses figure of the comes to me and says this is the way to go, it is easy for me to respect his opinion. mark: people talk about infrastructure and tax reform. what else would you like to see handled early on in big bills?

tom: i would like to see is move ahead, and i'm not sure we would, on entitlement reform. i don't think that was adequately addressed in the campaign. or like to see us make sure the sequester does not happen to the american military, i think that is critical. i am pleased the president-elect has taken that same position. i would like to see, long-term, that we actually do border security. i think that is something that is more popular on both sides of the aisle than is commonly recognized. i don't care if you are a liberal democrat or conservative republican, you believe the borders ought to be secured. move pieces of legislation in individually, i think border legislation you can do individually. john: you think paul ryan will be speaker in february?

i'm absolutely confident. nothing heals wounds like victory. there is not a whiff of opposition in any of our top four liters -- leaders. nobody raised more money, work harder than speaker ryan. i think our members are genuinely pleased with his leadership and i don't sense any significant challenge for him at all. mark: in the time between now and the president-elect takes office, there are a lot of people concerned about whether he is ready to be commander in chief. what can he do to calm people who have that concern? --: again, not up to mimi not up to me to make those points or suggestions, but i think when you become president you reach out to other people. i think he is doing that, when he visited the white house.

president obama being as gracious as he did, i appreciate president-elect trump handling the -- handling it the way he did. to african-american communities, i would go to a mosque. i think there are a lot of things that would be important in the symbolic sense in order to reassure people. i think the opening moves by the president-elect have been very good, so i hope he builds on what he is done over the last 48-72 hours. will discussup, we the future of the republican party afterwards from our sponsors. ♪

♪ mark: a quick news update. the cable news network says that donald trump's former campaign in terms -- manager corey

lewandowski has resigned amidst controversy, and he may take a job in the new donald trump administration. -- pete ow is p1 or weiner. he is been thinking a lot about the republican party and he joins us from washington. you have written quite a bit over the last few months about donald trump. is there anything you have seen since he got elected that makes you more hopeful and you were when he was a candidate? think he is handled the last 48-72 hours pre-well, but this is the easy stuff. this is the kind of thing you expect. i think he is been gracious enough, i think president obama has been gracious . we'll have to see the

appointment he makes. january 20.l be preliminary, he has been fine. john: when there were people who were never trump during the campaign who then changed their minds when he became the nominee, your view of them was what? the conservatives that ended up endorsing him shortly after the nomination. it depends on the individuals and how passionate they were in their reasoning. thoughte some who donald trump was a malignant and malicious force on the political landscape. people who were never trump and really spoken vivid language and then flipped around and came behind him, i was not

impressed with that. i think they put the party above their convictions and i think they were potentially opportunistic. that said, a lot of my friends were donald trump supporters, not enthusiastically, but they were. i understand the decision they made but i disagreed. it onehat is one to do was a consistent never trumper through election day, and now you are confronted with someone you have set incredibly negative things about, his character, his temperament, his intellect, suddenly he is resident. what is a man like you supposed to do? such a thing as a democratic legitimacy, and you have to recognize that. we only get one president and he is it.

ithink someone like myself, have to given the benefit of the doubt and allow him to prove me wrong and see how he does. if he does things i agree with or advance the interests of the country or advance justice, i need to say that, but on the other hand, people who were defenders of donald trump also have to be intellectually honest. if he does things that require he needs to be challenged, they need to do that. my posture is to wait and see. i may be wrong, i've been wrong before. the campaign to convince me he was not qualified to be president, but now he's going to be, and we will test the propositions and see who was right. mark: you have respect for paul ryan and her friends, right? pete: yes. these guys will be pretty big players in the trunk

administration, does that give you comfort? pete: yes it does. i hope there will be people of high quality in his administration. i would be very comforted with paul ryan on the agenda. the entire argument rather campaign was that these people who surround trump, including , is thatmike pence they could containing control him. begin was thatin he would become more presidential, and he never did. were he wasoments ok but he would revert to type. no one could ever really control his worst impulses. he got worse, not better, as the campaign went on. if that translates into the presidency, we are into trouble. we don't know. but my reading list -- my reading of history is that when

people who are narcissistic get power, they do not get better, they get worse. i hope i'm wrong. beyond the things that he is said that offend people, people question whether he was an actual conservative. some of his policy descriptions were unconservative weird do you imagine that what we will see now is an attempt to run a conservative administration, or some of his past positions will bubble to the surface and we will be confronting a really andlogically on doctrine president? pete: i don't imagine anything at this point. we just don't know what to expect. he was so policy ignorant and

all over the map on so many issues and has no philosophical roots. there's no real way to understand how he is going to govern with the principles that will govern him. he seems to govern by impulse and gut. he could govern as a conservative, he could turn left, he could be in on mix. -- odd mix. i really don't know, that is one of the fascinating things that will unfold. i don't think there is any way, even people who know donald trump -- and i would say even he does not know how he will govern at this stage. mark: when you think about leadership and how it impacts young people, how should parents who do not like donald trump, what should they tell their young children about president trump? should they avoid speaking badly about him in front of their children? pete: that is a good question.

i've had conversations with people about that. it is a hard one. i don't think you can race the past. ishink what you need to say that he made mistakes but he is now the president and we know certain things to the president because we know certain things to the country, but above all we know things to the truth and to justice and what is right. i just will say that the way he acted during this campaign, his , and of goldwomen star families and all of the rest, was very difficult. people pay attention, kids pay attention. the kind of thing you teach people in terms of how they should conduct themselves in life, when you have a presidential candidate and then , itesidential elect win can be validated and it is not

good for the culture. it is not a good situation. it can be overcome if he conducts himself with a degree of dignity and respect other people. maybe over time, if not forgotten, maybe in the midst of time -- as he continues to act as president as he did as a candidate, a lot of damage will be done, including to our civic culture and that matters. evidencere seems to be of a lot of donald trump related hate crimes, hate speech happening around the country right now. we talked about what we think you should do about that. first of all, what do you think he should do, and how important a test is this? pete: i agree with you both, i think he needs to speak directly to it. these are people who are presumably supporters of him, and while he is not responsible for their actions, they are

acting in some respects, if not in his name, because of his victory. has a power and effect over him others would not because they look up to him. i think he needs to speak to it and talk to -- talk about how we need to conduct ourselves. he is in a different position now, i don't know if he knows that yet. i think he needs to say that this is not appropriate and he has to begin to speak about how we view each other, including -- who arehave used seen as different. been as rigorous and election as i've ever seen in my life and a lot of healing needs to occur. the main reason it has been that contentious is because of donald trump. he has some work to do to undo it. on the other hand, the people who are critics of donald trump

have their obligations, too. the people who are writing -- rioting, they have responsibilities. you have to respect the results and come together. abraham lincoln was able to do it after the civil war, and this is a lot different. we are stillut how friends and not enemies. mark: thank you for coming in, it's great to have you on. coming up, more on donald trump's trip to washington, d.c.. more after this. ♪

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john: in a brief interview today, donald trump said he was open to keeping some provisions previousare, including conditions and care for children. we have ann, who joins us from washington, d.c. you've been focused a lot on democrats and the disarray of the party. suddenly, fingers being appointed all kinds of different directions. talk about the blame game going on in the party right now. : there is some blood in the water right now. there was a chaotic scene at a dnc meeting yesterday with at least one staffer blaming donna

, croniesnd her cohorts i think the guy said, for bombing the election and focusing on the wrong things. the clinton campaign had a handholding call yesterday with some of their surrogates and again today with donors, where they largely blamed external forces. they felt they were swamped in a change election and the force of the economic unrest and anger over that had a brexit effect. they did not talk about folks in the candidate or their strategy, the choices of what states to concentrate on or other mechanics. and that is having -- that is not sitting well with some democrats, who feel like even in

the midst of a change election and all of the various forces that were legitimately arrayed against hillary clinton at the start, the campaign made some missteps and are not owning it. mark: do you think this will boil over and become a public dispute, or a couple of stories will be written in the party will move on? anne: i don't know, but my gut says the latter. there is some anger and frustration among democrats and they are venting right now, but the imperative to mobilize against donald trump and have a united front against him, to push things that democrats care about even as soon as a during this transition, is already starting to win out. certainly on a couple of these calls as i've heard them recounted, there has been a real move to say we have to stay

united and focus on the things that are our priorities are displayed of lee, we have to focus on the message we want to have in opposition of the trump white house and focus on the midterm election. john: it has been some finger-pointing, specifically robby mook and others in the campaign ignoring white, working-class voters, particularly in the context of present clinton having raised the alarm. we've not heard much from people inside the campaign leading each other. where does that story go? anne: that has been a hallmark of this campaign, there is not been much infighting. there has not been any big, public fight. nobody publicly got fired and that is remarkable. i don't really expect to see it now. mookcommanded extreme --

commanded extreme loyalty in the campaign. he was seen as being a very mature leader despite his age. i don't expect to see him suffer hugely politically as a result of this, but i do hear a fair amount of groveling from people outside the campaign, just that the campaign is not fully taking ownership of some things they should've done differently. asked reporters media questions but i am very interested in this. post"es "the washington reorient itself, they thought they were going to be covering a clinton administration. anne: it is a work in process, and all of the decisions will not be mine, but it is a different landscape. there were a whole bunch of

people who assumed they would be covering a clinton white house at the white house, and a lot of other people assumed they would be covering republicans in likeition, and so just many other maps are being switched around, ours is as well. i think i will be of politics and foreign policy combo beat, but i don't know. tbd. mark: i look forward to whatever you write because you are great. we will check in with the professor next. always keep in mind you can listen to us on the radio in washington. we will be right back. ♪

religion professor of and african-american studies at princeton. favoriter people -- people to talk to when we are in a crisis. don't take that the wrong way. what if you heard today from people who are interacting with president-elect trump? it has been a day of trauma and trying to figure out where we are going to go next. ways of dealing in some with the unleashing of ugliness. we've heard it is circulating on twitter now that all of the black freshmen at the university of pennsylvania have been added to a group entitled "nigger lynching." people are trying to figure out

how they are going to respond. we have talked about how we think donald trump needs to address this in a constructive way if he has any hope of healing the country. what if he does not? in the past we have often called on him to denounce anti-somatic tweets, he never did. he never distanced himself from the uglier elements of his constituency. what if he decides it is not his problem? eddie: i think he gives license to the hate and gives license of people to act on that hate and will create the conditions for chaos. some people like to represent this moment as i can to redemption. redemption.o they like to liken this to a second redemption, but this

isn't 1876, and people who believe they can come into our communities and bully and be aggressive and threaten our children, they're going to be in for a surprise. in less president-elect trump to being aaches statesman, we might find ourselves on the precipice of serious chaos and bloodshed. john: i'm hoping that jed kushner and josh earnest are listening. what would you think about president obama and donald trump putting out a joint statement condemning this stuff? could help, but president obama has been for the last eight years the interpreter in chief for white america with regards to black lives matter. he has responded to baltimore, milwaukee, charlotte.

him coming toith the side of donald trump in this way, he would work in some ways as a kind of black male nurse. the stereo typical rendering of black folk as comforting the nation. donald trump needs to do this on his own. he needs to address what he released over the course of his campaign. the aspirational claims that many people are making that perhaps he will turn a corner, that he will be presidential and govern all america, the only evidence we have before us right now is that he was the candidate who declared a ban on muslims, he was the candidate who called undocumented workers latest and andinals -- rapists criminals, he sanctioned violence at his rallies and he let the genie out of the bottle. he sanctioned all of this ugliness.

he has to do it and he has to do it alone. mark: thank you, we will be right back. ♪

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♪ mark: let's begin with first word news. mike pence now leads donald trump's transition team. he replaces embattled new jersey governor chris christie, who

last month's all too former aides evicted in the bridge gate scandal. journal" street confirms that donald trump is considering leaving some of the affordable care law in place. a plan to repeal obamacare and is thinking about keeping the provisions for pre-existing conditions and children's coverage. the boston globe says vice president -- ray buckley is considering a run for the top democratic spot. keith ellison is expected to make an announcement on monday. former maryland governor martin o'malley is said to be interested. for his time -- final time in office, president obama led the nation in observing veterans day. the president said that of those who have served and are serving, "we you are