>> from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> we begin this evening with a look at president-elect trump's transition team. has been a week since he had a stunning victory. reports of chaos in his efforts to fill staff positions in the new administration. rudy giuliani is believed to be a leading contender for state.ry of chuck schumer was elected as the next leader of senate democrats. of the party's most influential counterweights to the trump administration. pleased to have our guest

back. welcome! >> thank you. are looking at what happened here and the surprises of this election. pollsters, pundits, press happenedsimply things that made this impossible to accurately ascertain? >> i think this is an important moment for self-reflection from everyone. itselfs,rom journal from -- from journalists, pollsters, people who analyze polls, strategists. i think the thing to say is everyone missed this. in 2012, a lot of people close to mitt romney thought he was going to win. romney.ding mitt >> and had he won, i think it would have been important for democrats and people in the really be self-reflective about why the romney campaign was right and wrong.re this was different. trump himself expected to lose. the republican national committee expected to lose. hillary clinton expected to win. there was no media source out

there, saying, look, the polls show he's ahead. >> you kept asking, how large is vote? we ask the question often. how large is the trump vote? vote?re a hidden we asked those questions, just didn't know the answers. >> and the polls were wrong. the size of the error of the polls was not historically charge. historically important, because what it did, it shifted by several points in precisely the states that trump needed to win. and i think we are going to need to sort through why that happened. but i do think that we shouldn't abandoned polls. but i think, after an election look ats, we have to them with more humility than we did before. there is a chance they are becoming less accurate. certainly they pointed the wrong time.is >> did donald trump do something, and his team, that we boy,ow look at and say, they were brilliant, in the way they analyzed the possibility? >> they did a lot of things when no one thought it was

right. i think the key thing is that themselvesersuaded that -- and to be clear, many analysts,pendent including many of us in the press, thought this was correct. it was team thought correct. democrats persuaded themselves demographics hadem gotten large enough to carry the day. latinos, asian-americans, millennials. i don't know if you've seen one shows howaps that millennials voted. i think hillary clinton won 40 states. there's a real trend. but we were misled about how important they had become. and by taking the white working granted, ther democrats essentially alienated that vote. a campaignby running unlike any a republican has run, nationalist, ethnocentric, populist campaign, he was able to bring people out

the woodwork. and the combination of those two things is what led to this truly, as you said, stunning result. understand with hindsight what it was that propelled the people who gave him his victory? >> i think it was a lot of things. establishment candidates fared extremely badly just hillaryt clinton but jeb bush and the other republicans annoyed by the like scottnt, walker. >> people who had been around politics for a while. or were the favorite of people who had been around politics for a while. >> that's right. theie sanders clearly lost primary to hillary clinton. i think about 55% to 45% of the democratic vote. however, bernie sanders is a socialist from vermont who of theeven a member democratic party until recently. the fact that he got 45% of the vote, in hindsight -- and for some was a real sign of how weak is.establishment

one, in hillary clinton, you had a lotidate who really had of flaws. two, you are trump getting out this vote in a way that didn't possible but what actually happened. >> without an organization as hishim, using rallies emotional push. >> that's right. what i have- look, said is i think the central problem facing the country, in addition to climate change, is the great stagnation, the fact oft for a very large portion this country, life isn't getting better or has gotten only better over the last generation. that breeds a lot of cynicism. think about this. as americans, we like to talk about how much our lives have gotten better. we don't think about ourselves relation to our grandparents. we think about our whole communities. an italian-american, you think about how your worked hardme and and now you enjoy this quality of life. this is deeply american.

imagine that you live in some parts of the country -- it might close to the half -- where progress has been depressingly slow for years, if decades. all that hard work would feel like it had broken against you. defending at all the boogie tri we have -- bigotry we seen with the trump campaign. why it hasderstand found a greater audience in this time of stagnation than it has a long time. >> when you say stagnation, is callshat larry somers secular stagnation, which is a restriction on traditional growth rates? >> yes. it is two things. growth has slowed down and inequality has risen. so for most people, the amount of their share that's growing is very slow. you look at net worth. for a typical family, it's lower 1980's.was in the lower?ears ago, it's

>> lower. call it 30 years ago. you look at income. the workingn for class, extremely, extremely slowly. formation. family for college graduates, divorce is a lot less common than it used to be. for people who haven't graduated, it's more. many more people are in jail used to be. drug abuse is much worse. there is this famous study that came out in the last couple of years showing that, for large groups of whites without a havege degree, lifespans not gotten longer. and so when you think about this and despair, to me, it helps explain some of what happened here. i am frightened about where we now go, because trump does that it a platform seems to me addresses many of these issues. about theeply worried civil liberties issues. >> what is it that worries you? because a lot of people that at the right, which now has mostmpion, if not the

important advisor in the white house, in the presence of mr. bannon. what is it that worries you and of civilthers in terms liberties? what might happen that someone a red flag and say let's be careful here, let's vigilant in our protection of individual rights? >> there are two issues and they overlap. a basic respect for rule of law. there were multiple times during campaign when president-elect trump said things that did not show a respect for the rule of law, right? he suggested that a judge could not be objective simply because of his ethnicity. fact, heatter of didn't come from mexico. he was born in indiana. >> born in indiana. opponent should be jailed. he said he might not respect the results of the election. on. goes on and we have basic democratic values in this country. not inhave certainly modern times ever had a presidential candidate who ran opposing many of

those democratic values. he didn't just run. he won. and he's going to be the president. so i think there's a very big question about, do those values weaken? does it mean when donald trump gets a ruling from -- when trump gets a ruling from a federal judge he doesn't obama got ame way lot of them, that he tries to somehow have that judge impeached? i worry about that, because if you take him at his word, you imagine that. >> a lot of people say -- you've that certainsay people who opposed donald trump took him literally and not seriously. people who voted for him took him seriously and not literally. they didn't agree with said, and they didn't take it literally. that it was, as they understood it, just to be campaign tactics strategy.ic and >> i certainly hope that's the case. i would much rather have on his part than some

toward move authoritarianism. people run for president saying going to do something and they win. more often than not, they try to do it. an example. being by ronald reagan. >> that's right. the list goes on. i get that donald trump is not a but i alsoidate don't think we should blithely assume, oh, he didn't mean those seem bad.ause they so i really would like to see signs from him that he is going civil liberties, the rule of law, basic constitutional rights. forink it is very important people in washington, including republicans, to put real do that,on him to people like rand paul, people who have been close to him. the second issue is all of the surge of hate, the online real-life racism we've seen in recent days, the anti-semitism.

it is true that much of that -- >> online in terms of website and things like that? >> yes. whether it is students at college campuses being targeted whether it isuff, graffiti, not online, whether it is people being targeted with anti-semitism, it is true that for the overwhelming bulk of anyone inot come from the campaign. but it has been on the website run by steve bannon. he has not distanced himself that, has not said, hey, i reject what has been on my website. >> what he says -- he has said nor should i necessarily be held accountable for all of it, because i didn't write it. >> but it happened while he was chairman.ive i am concerned about the wink and the nod about a lot of that stuff. mayor de blasio of new york went to visit with donald trump today, and said, friegdened. are and -- frightened and you have a responsibility to make them feel more comfortable.

do think that is a deep responsibility. and i think, if the president-elect doesn't live up