caroline: i am caroline hyde. this is the "best of bloomberg chnology". coming up, the preside elect meets the press. donald trump faces reports from hacking to the media itself. making sure tech titans play by the rules, our exclusive interview with the eu competition minister. our interview with mary barra,

ahead. president elect donald trump tackled one of the most controversial issues plaguing his administration, russian hacking. he has previously cast doubts on the accuracy of u.s. intelligence. he did again wednesday. >> i think it was russia, but we also get hacked by other countries and other people. >> if putin likes donald trump, i consider that an asset, not a liability. caroline: trump vigorously denounced reports that the russian government has gathered compromising information about him.

fireeye s t thamongsfirst firms todentify this group. take a listen to our conversation with laura galante. >> what we have seen is a variety of targets, journalists in chechnya -- so a variety of different targets we have seen this group go after.

they will breach networks using malware. they will take data, frequently emails. we are seeing another side to these operations that play out on wikileaks. it is the combination of network intrusion and the ability to change the narrative through leaked data that has been so powerful. caroline: and using social media as the means to do this. is there a risk of this still going on? >> it isn't just going on. this group is taking it to europe next. we will see this occur around policy issues in the u.s. the elections were one of a variety of targets this group has gone after. when we look at elections in the

netherlands, france, germany, we are seeing the same mechanism, the ability to push documents to journalists, a focused ability to change how the conversation in the press plays out. they do this very flexibly. they don't need to change the malware. they just need to change the flavor of how they get their message out, and that is what is so powerful here, and also easy to deny. was it actually the narrative or operations. there are clear operations with the forensics behind it that link this back to a russian government effort. caroline: can you illuminate how you managed to track them back? >> there are hallmarks in the malware that give us these indications.

the compile times, the marks that show when malware was built, continue to go back to the time zone that moscow and major russian cities are in. over 90% of the samples we have tracked are in line with the working hours when this malware was compiled. we also see the marks of a well-resourced effort. the malware shows a certain techniques to evade detection, that people can't unpack it and understand it as well. these are the signs that the developers behind these tools are thinking about how to do it. they aren't just buying tools online and applying them. this is a state effort that takes years of planning, and the targets say so much about this, caucus agencies, agencies in georgia.

that is what has led us to believe that the russian government is the likely sponsor of the group. caroline: i had no idea hackers kept a nine-to-five regime. government institutions, is this a game of whack-a-mole? >> the question is where is the line between acceptable state espionage and aggressive measures that interfere with the internal affairs of a state? so what is sovereignty in cyberspace? do we consider cyberspace or information space? that is the question at hand between russia and the u.s. right now.

on the u.s. side and other nato countries, they thought about this in terms of networks and systems. do you take an expansive view or think of this in a more traditional technology approach? caroline: so when we hear from president elect donald trump saying he does not think he will be attacked while he is president, should we believe him or pour cold water over it? >> we have long said it is a matter of when, not if. whether the department of defense, against companies, and what has changed is the type of actors and intrusions. what hasn't changed is to go after key government targets in the u.s.

caroline: now, while trump is claiming he is the victim of fake news, facebook is taking steps to curb it. they announced a stronger partnership with media companies and to educate users on how to avoid hoaxes. it follows a year of debate over facebook's role in the media and whether the network is biased. members of the media will be updated on a new facebook journalism project page. a reminder that all episodes of bloomberg technology are live streaming on twitter. check us out. this is bloomberg. ♪

caroline: jack ma met with president-elect trump monday. the two men discussed how alibaba is focused on creating one million u.s.-based jobs. >> very productive meeting, helping small businesses sell things through the alibaba platform to china and asia. we talked mainly about small business and young people and american agricultural products to china. we think the china-u.s. relationship should be strengthened, friendly, and better. caroline: the visit is the latest from gring st of business leaders eager to work with the president-elect. we caught up with mary barra for an exclusive interview at the auto show and spoke about the

upcoming administration. >> we have more in common with the administration and president of than we have at odds. we are looking to strengthen the country, business performance, because we are a big provider of jobs and provide over 100,000 good paying jobs, and looking for reforms, regulatory streamlining, so those are all things that will improve our business and allow us to invest. >> there is an opportunity there for you? >> i believe there is. this is a complex business with long lead times. the volt and the traverse are built and lansing, michigan. we need to look for the opportunities. >> let's talk about autonomous vehicles. where does that projects it

right now at gm? everyone is announcing some sort of autonomous venture. >> we feel good about where we are at. we have vehicles getting real-world experience in san francisco, arizona, and detroit. it is about experiencing all the different situations. downtown san francisco, there is not a better place to experience things that come into the roadways, so our vehicles are learning a lot and you will see movement early this year. >> there was talk of changing from a model of selling cars to buying a service for a fee, almost like a subscription service. is that realistic? >> as we get to autonomous vehicles, we believe it will start in a rideshare environment.

we are also excited about what we launched with cadillac. we have a subscription opportunity for people who want to drive that performance car on the weekends, but need the functionality of an escalade. those of the things we are experimenting with. >> a record deal for vehicle sales, 2016 beat it. what does 2017 hold in store? >> we think we will have a strong year, much like 2016, and we are looking to continue to improve. that is our goal, build on the momentum of 2015 and 2016 and carried that into 2017, and we think we can deliver another strong year. >> you have a great product people want to buy. as you look at the factors that could drive 2017 to the upside or downside, what is most

important to you? wages? disposable income? >> consumer confidence is important, but we are seeing household wealth go of. if the indicators stay in the direction, we will have another strong year. >> one of the topics much discussed his wages. we just had numbers on friday. you are a big employer. are you seeing wages go up materially? >> they are going up as expected. it is important we manage that. i am proud of the fact that of the 100,000 jobs, we have good paying jobs that allow people to live a good life. caroline: still ahead, our exclusive interview with

margrethe vestager, her regulation battles with tech giants from google to apple. plus, high profile hacks are on the rise, a $40 billion industry. we will speak with the ceo of cloudflare next. this is bloomberg. ♪

caroline: as 2017 gets going, tech giants cure up for hurdles in europe. apple, facebook, and google head to court to settle cases regarding taxes and privacy. david gura spoke with margrethe vestager, who has targeted these tech titans. take a listen. >> i consider this an important issue.

we cannot do our jobs if we do not get the right information from the businesses in question. the concern we have here is that facebook did not give us the right information during the merger procedures. that of course is a huge problem if that appears to be true, because if we are not told the full story, we will not be able to take right decisions and enable competition on the other side of each and every merger, and that is why it is important as a concrete case and the take away from the business community that we will police are procedures to make sure we get the right information. we try to do that as best as possible within the short deadlines we work within. >> you have been looking at google as well. the european union has gotten a reply from google. how satisfied are you?

>> we got the last part of the android answer, so we are analyzing it, and therefore it is too early to say what will be our final decision, but we are in the process of going through it. it is very substantial of and there is a lot of data to go through, but now we have the working material, the answer from ggle the casesn question. >> you have seen the risof populism, the shifting political ferment, and i wonder what that means for you and looking at competition in general? >> it is important that people see that we do our best to do the job ahead of us, to make sure that citizens are not being cheated when they are in the marketplace, that businesses do not agree on prices in the back office, but that businesses do

compete with products, prices, services that they can offer customers. because i think for every citizen it is important to see the of authorities do their job, and they do their job to service the citizens and on behalf of the citizens where the individual might be too small, but where we can do good together, and in that respect, it is important what we do. >> how pivotal do you see the apple ireland case to your office? how do you make the relationship a better between your office and tech firms in silicon valley? >> we have tried to make it clear that we have no issue or grudge against any company. what we are aiming at is

behavior. for instance, the thing that happens if one company or a group of companies given aid that is not available to other companies, that seriously makes the playing field no longer level, and that is the issue. i don't think as a company when you are a competitive, when you have a competitive culture, you want to innovate, present the best products to your customers, well, how can you approve of your competitor having benefits that are not open to yourself? in that respect, of course, the business community is served by enabling their competition. caroline: margrethe vestager there. cyber threats remain a major concern for business and government agencies. this week, we got reports that mario draghi and matteo renzi

were among those hacked. our next guest says it is time to build a better internet. he is cloudflare ceo matthew prince. >> we have seen what 2017 will bring, large cyber attacks against firms, then attacks against presidential campaigns. they were a big part of the story in 2016, and we don't see at decreasinin 2017, so we are bu at cloudflare. caroline: does it matter particularly where they are coming from, regions, groups? we always seem to be saying china, russia, but there are

many different countries. >> cyber attacks are incredibly democratize. we see some of the largest attacks by what turns out to be 15 kids in the u.k., while at the same time nation state actors as well, so it is hard to attribute to the attack is being launched by. we often have circumstantial evidence based on who is reading attack, but regardless, we want to be able to stop it. caroline: the weak spots will become more plentiful as the internet of things becomes a reality. what are the key threats when it comes to the building up? >> everyone thought why does it matter if my toaster gets hacked?

but if you're toaster gets hacked and it can be commanded to launcattacks agait means if we don't have security around iot devices, that will make us more vulnerable to attacks that's one of the things we are thinking about at cloudflare, how to wrap the security around the devices and the big corporations that we help protect. caroline: talk to us about the demand? who is wanting of your services? you are on the ipo trail as well. >> we have not raised money since december 2014. we are on the path to being a public company, but they either go public because they have to and need more cash or because they want to.

we are in the position to pick and choose the timing right for us, so we will pull the trigger when it is right for us. cloudflare has a 6 million customers, 15,000-20,000 a day. they are mom and pop companies to fortune 500 companies, 16 presidential candidates were a cloudflare customer, in fact, everybody but hillary clinton used cloudflare. caroline: an interesting line you could use. why would you want to become a public company when you want to? because you have more people you would have to answer to? >> the ceo of a zendesk said it best, at some point you have to move out of your space.

there is a right time and place to be just a couple of people in a garage and take funding from venture capitalists, larger private equity institutions, and eventually you have a responsibility to investors, employees, in order to take the company public. we will do it when we think the time is right for us, but something we are working towards. caroline: in 2017? >> no,e won't do it in 2017. i think 2017 will be a distorted year for a lot of reasons, especially the changes around tax policy, the repatriation of cash to tech firms. it will result in distortions in the market, and often times volatility is not good for entrance into the marketplace. caroline: the health care tech industry has grown dramatically since 2010, how the industry will fare if president-elect trump repeals the law.

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digital health technology has exploded. venture funding rose from $1 billion in 2010 to $6 billion in 2015. that money is going towards things like electronic health records and computer modeling to track spending. major companies want a piece of the action. ibm launched its watson health unit in 2015, and since then, spent $4 billion on related acquisition. last year, general electric said it expected its i.t. unit to grow more than 20% over the next two years. but now the industry is bracing for a serious shift in u.s. health care policy. president elect donald trump promises those changes will come as soon as possible. mr. trump: as soon as our secretary is approved, almost simultaneously, shortly thereafter, a plan. it will be repeal and replace. caroline: that was bloomberg caitlin meehan reporting. so will there be a slowdown if obama care is repealed and

replaced? joining me now are our two guests. i'm going to start with you. will in fact the affordable care act be fully repealed? can it be fully repealed? sunny: it is unlikely to be fully repealed without an alternative. over 20 million people have been added to the system, many from states that trump won, like michigan and wisconsin. in those states before the affordable care act, more than 14% were uninsured in those states. i think it is highly unlikely. furthermore, i think there are many aspects of the affordable care act that will continue and flourish that health care investors have been investing in. caroline: you heard the views.

you are at the heart of helping modernize and making more efficient the infrastructure behind health care. is this something that if repealed would be moved away from the deficiency search, the drive for it in the u.s.? lisa: i completely agree with sunny. many of the market drivers for technical innovation are not going away if aca is repealed. the shift of cost to the consumer, the shift of value-based care that we are seeing that is led by cms, followed quickly by the private industry, private insurance market, that is not going away and that is driving a lot of innovation that we are seeing. caroline: the underlying factors are still there. does it change your opinion in the investability in health care in terms of certain verticals, because there is uncertainty at this time? >> there is a level of uncertainty that is causing a pause in the buying process, but in the long run i do not think this will be a big impact.

lower cost and higher quality has been the mantra within the affordable care act, and also within the trump approach. whether the payments or consumerization or shifting the fight of care, all of that will continue and maybe accelerate. even when you think about the digitization of the medical system, the stimulus had $30 billion allocated to move medical records from paper-based to electronic-based, and that has been a foundation for software and applications that have been developed to advance health care. innovation and disruption will continue within health care. technology investing, regardless of how this shakes out. caroline: has it slowed your decision-making process in any way, the electoral changes and administrative changes that will come?

>> n many of the bets to digitize the medical industry were made r to the aca and will continue. from our perspective, and the only point where i will differ with sunny, even with economic stimulation and the adoption of electronic medical records, much of that is written on circa 1990 software. what we are expecting to see from this administration and their commitment to investing in infrastructure, is a commitment to modernizing health care in the u.s. for the first time. companies like pocket doc are creating open software development platforms to bring these products and solutions to market quickly, health care systems, right at insurers, even -- private insurers, even cms, they have made their bets. they are starting to deploy on platforms like ours. caroline: what does the spectrum look like out there at the moment when you are analyzing the environment? who is the most interesting to be investing in? which parts of the system are

more likely for disruption? >> the areas we primarily invest in our the intersection of health care and technology, where people are developing applications at a higher quality and lower cost. the foundation has been laid with the digitization of medical records, so we find that to be quite robust. we have companies like tiger tech, that are within these clinical communication workspace and their mission is to improve outcomes and lower costs, and they are benefiting from the trend we are seeing. even as you look shifting site of care from hospitals to home-based care where it is lower cost and where patients would rather be. we have companies where they are at the center of that, and so almost across the board, we are seeing a ton of innovation and disruption, but with any discussion of aca repeal, there is some uncertainty created, so we could see some pausin buying.

caroline: is that something pocket doc is dealing with? when you looking at your suppliers, those you are working with, how are those discussions? lisa: health care as the longest enterprise sales cycle known to man. we have not seen a slow down in that sales cycle. at the same time, we have 10% week over week growth, and emerging companies coming to our platforms and signing up and building product and production today, so that has not slowed down. i do hear, and certainly hear in the industry from other companies that they are experiencing somewhat of a slow down. as we go in, i think most recognized that the aca, that is not going to impact what they are doing today. it will not impact the out-of-pocket costs for the

consumer driving these innovations or new access models, but it will have some affect for sure. caroline: where is the competition when you're looking at startups helping provide this sort of efficiency to health care? they must be coming out of asia and europe. is it only u.s. companies that will be adopted by u.s. health care providers or to you think they will go further afield? lisa: platforms like ours that provide an open software development platform allow companies from outside the u.s. to enter the u.s. market in ways they have not before. the other thing it allows is other industries to insert themselves into the health care workflow like financing, banks who want to offer financing to consumers who cannot afford a certain procedure, or supply chain companies like amazon that want to start providing different goods and services, durable goods and services to health care. we will see a lot more of that as we come into this year and as there is a move to the cloud

across the industry. caroline: still ahead, london, snatches snap. why this social media giant is banking on the u.k. ahead of its $25 billion ipo. this is bloomberg. ♪

♪ caroline: there were a few deal headlines that caught our eye this week. fitbit has purchased vector and is focusing on luxury watches following its acquisition of smart watchmaker pebble, a sign fitbit is stepping up wearables beyond fitness devices. airbnb is branching out, investing $30 million in an app for securing restaurant reservations.other move to expad

rbnb's offerings to travelers, making it a one-stop service when taking a trip. it will take a few months to integrate its app fully into airbnb services. square has integrated its system with wix, a cloud-based platform with 100 million users. the deal is a large online-based contract that is mainly focused on brick-and-mortar businesses. the parent of the popular snapchat messaging app has made london its international headquarters this week. they will pay british taxes on sales booked in overseas markets. the move is a win for the u.k. as it attempts to lure businesses in the wake of the brexit vote. caitlin meehan reports on the road ahead for snap's public offer. caitlin: snap is gearing up for hotly anticipated ipo. the parent company of snapchat could be valued as much as $25 billion once it hits the public market this year.

once famous for disappearing images, it is now rebranding itself as a camera company. its first hardware product, spectacles, have gone viral. thanks to an ultra-limited release in select cities. meanwhile, snap's user base grows at breakneck pace, and although the company's 150 million daily active users are based mostly in the u.s., it is gaining ground in europe. snap does not turn a profit but it is showing revenue growth. it is on pace to bring in under $2 billion by 2018. now investors want snap ceo evan spiegel to prove he can grow snapchat beyond its young demographic. caroline: for more on the choice of london as international headquarters, we checked in with london-based bloomberg technology reporter adam satariano, and asked him if this was a smart move by snap. adam: you are a kind of formalizing something that has been going on a while. they have been staffing a lot in

london, up to 75 people in the city come up from six. having this as their tax hub is unusual because companies have been taking better advantage of lower tax rate elsewhere. apple, amazon, starbucks, a lot of other companies have been 's ire as a regulator result of that. caroline: is this potentially a reaction to how we have seen in particular the european competition commission react to some of the tax arrangements that the like of apple have? adam: a lot of companies have been spooked by what they have seen from the european commission and other regulators going after some of these tax havens. but at the same time, we should not put snap on a pedestal too much year. the tax rates in the u.k. have been coming down. there is some optimism among

business leaders that tax rates will come down further because of that vote. they could be trying to get in ahead of all of that. caroline: certainly an upside for the united kingdom. amid a lot of uncertainty surrounding the brexit vote. adam: certainly, but for snapchat, this is a logical hub because the global advertising industry is headquartered in new york and london, so it makes sense for them to have a big office here. they have opened up a shop in the soho neighborhood, they have one building open, and they're looking for another building. caroline: is this a race ahead of what is expected to be their ipo as soon as march this year? adam: snap's ceo evan spiegel, part of his pitch to investors for the ipo will be the company's global opportunities. it has clearly done well in the united states, especially with young people, but to justify the valuation which is said to be

$25 billion or more, it will have to show it can resonate in other countries. in europe, 50 million users, 10 million in the u.k., so that number will have to continue to grow quite rapidly to justify that high valuation. caroline: let's get an investor's take. as snap expands ahead of its heavily anticipated ipo, what do investors, what does wall street want to see from the versioning -- burgeoning social media company? with me is sunny dylan. welcome to bloomberg technology. u.k. headquarters a smart move? sunny: i think so. having worked in soho, it is the hub of the creative industries in london, advertising, tech companies, startups, talent in that local market, so as a hub of creativity and advertising, i think soho is a great place to be. caroline: notably, we are seeing expansion in europe and as far

as asia as well. this is a scaling up ahead of the ipo, isn't it? sunny: you have to understand your audience, local influences, content in each different territory. they are not a homogenous group. people are different in how they communicate and what kind of visual messaging they choose to express themselves with, so this means being close to your audience. caroline: what do they have to do a head of the ipo is drum up the excitement that they are worth $25 billion and they have growth potential perhaps outside of a social media app. how are they doing this at the moment? sunny: the ceo is 26 years old and has stayed authentic. i ink evolving beyond messaging, it has been showing itself evolving over time, with

snapchat stories, filters, geo lenses, etc. augmented reality is an exciting area for snapchat. i think that has increased activity with brands and analytics will fuel the revenue machine. a whole host of other things on that similar trajectory, but augmented reality is probably the most exciting. caroline: the most interesting thing is you talk about working with businesses in the same way facebook leveraged an ecosystem, targeting you and i. how much is facebook copying them? sunny: the biggest and most egregious copycat move was from instagram, copying instagram stories. it is literally the same product

as snapchat stories. there has been a whole host of efforts from facebook ripping off various features that have performed well for snapchat. the difference here being that when you are going mass-market, shoving ads and monetization efforts down the throats of your audience, it is no longer native and natural. the one thing snapchat has for it is that it is empathetic and authentic, and people want to be associated with it. caroline: will that give the revenues the investor base was to see? sunny: that remains to be seen. when companies focus too much on monetization, the original originallyou coast of what those companies were founded on the great overtime. we saw it with twitter post ipo. so the jury remains out. caroline: will they always tackle just the millennials? sunny: if they come up with new ways to express themselves, it

is a safe bet that if they keep refreshing themselves, i think snap spectacles have been a great example of a way to do that. they are a camera company now, genius piece of marketing. if you can open up your after the camera, they view the world the way you want them to see it, and what you choose to overlay on top of that is similar to the way the web portals used to be in the 1990's with original isps. caroline: so much has been hoped for by the ecosystem, silicon valley. do you think they will live up to the hype? the way they are pursuing the map to the ipo is the right one at the moment? sunny: so showing metrics growing quickly, that is what they have been able to do. there has been speculation that some of those metrics have an slightly falsified, which has

been vehemently denied by the company. if you look at where snapchat is compared to where facebook was when it went public, they paint a different picture in terms of real money, actually getting dollars and revenue. caroline: this week, hon hai's posted its first annual revenue decline, down to an a half percent from the year before. -- 2.5% from the year before. the taiwanese company is the main assembler of apple iphones. hon hai is the world's biggest contract manufacturer of electronics. up next, the iphone turned 10 this week. we will look at how it became apple's most important product and whether the company can ever re-create its success. this is bloomberg. ♪

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reinvent the phone. caitlin: 10 years ago, steve jobs unveiled a new product called the iphone. at the time, it was seen as the heir to the ipod, albeit an expensive one. since then, it has revolutionized the smart phone market, destroying industry heavyweights like nokia and blackberry, and inspiring a handful of rivals around the world. apple has sold over 1 billion iphones to date. they helped to drive up apple's stock price more than 850% to its peak in 2015. in 2016, strategy analytics reported that operating profit hit $9.4 billion worldwide. apple alone made of 91% of that, but with these numbers come high expectations. the iphone is now apple's most crucial product, making up 63% of revenue in fiscal 2016. that is worrisome to investors, because annual iphone sales fell

for the first time last year, and apple's operating system held on to 15% of the market versus android 87%. stl, analysts remain overwhelmingly bullish on apple stocks. nomura believes the iphone eight will shatter all previous sales records. caroline: that was bloomberg's caitlin meehan. now, since the iphone took off, apple has been under pressure to prove it can re-create that kind of sales success. we checked back with activate ceo michael wolff. take a listen. michael: with over 1 billion iphones being used today around the world and 100 million of them in the united states, they are poised for a large percentage of that base to upgrade to a new iphone eight, and they have got a lot more coming. it is likely they will have much more integrations of siri.

imessage will have bots and other functionality built-in. there is going to be a new operating system next year, likely in the middle of the year. apple has everything they need to be successful, and they don't have to have all of the market. they can skim off the most profitable customers, not only the ones who will not only by their phones but participate in the itunes and app store. caroline: you are sounding pretty bullish. over the past decade since they launched the iphone, the market has been bullish. analysts recommendations on bloomberg, the majority all the way back to 2007 have always said buy. the green chart here shows how many analysts say to buy the stock. 80% at current levels. the lowest they ever got was 65% in 2008. generally analysts say buy apple and look through the gloom. what about their movement into

the emerging markets? does that spell to you that they could be going for lower margin profits or were they just going for the growing middle class in india and the likes of china? michael: where apple comes out with lower cost products, they do not seem to do as well. once again, they can go after the premium customer. they can go after the people who want to have the entire apple experience. all they have to do really is get a large percentage of the billion people today who are carrying around an iphone to continue that growth. they have a lot of other avenues into that growth including new products like apple tv products, a new operating system, that will allow them to get more revenue out of this, not just in terms of sales of the phone. caroline: that does it for this edition of "the best of bloomberg technology." we will bring you the latest in tech throughout the week.

tune in each day at 5:00 p.m. in new york. 2:00 p.m. in san francisco and 6:00 a.m. in hong kong. tune in on tuesday. we will be talking with a partner and cofounder with index ventures. that is all for now. this is bloomberg. ♪

♪ david: so, what did your family think? did they say that there's something wrong with this young man. he just wants to do computers? bill it was considered a little : strange. david: have you thought how much better your life would be if you got your harvard degree? bill: i am a weird dropout, because i take college courses all the time. david: what about steve jobs in those days? what was your relationship with him? bill: we were both there at the very beginning. david: you are the wealthiest man in the world -- is that more of a burden than a pleasure, to be the wealthiest men in the world? >> would you fix your tie, please? david: people wouldn't recognize me if my tie was fixed. let's leave it this way. all right. ♪