♪ announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: we begin this evening with theresa may formally be on brexit. focus on the lisbon treaty and to the arduous process of the arduous process of negotiations, she outlined her vision for britain's departure, they would seek a hard exit and leave the eu single market. they described this as a historic moment from which there can be no turning back. >> britain is leaving the european union, we are going to

make our own decision and our own a law, we are going to take control of the things that matter most. we are going to take this opportunity to make a fairer britain, to make it proud to call home. >> joining me now is the economist and the editor in chief of bloomberg, as well as director of the foreign relations. i'm pleased to have all of them on this program. i want to quote william hankey, he called this the most important divorce ever in history. why isn't that? >> it is incredibly complex with how you divide this you have two people with incredibly tough negotiations that 250,000 dogs and cats go across the recitals every year. they're going to work out how the pet passports worked great i

would take seven months of negotiation, you penetrate, you have all of these different bids. that is immensely complicated. the other bit is kind of horribly simple, it is like a divorce. on one side the british are saying please be reasonable, we have deserted give and we have run away to please be reasonable for the rest of europe. >> what is the difference is hard and soft? >> and initially the british public against eight soft brexit which means they could get some relief on immigration, some relief on some of the issues that make the most people uncomfortable. they pertain generally sustained access to the single market, overtime theresa may realized that it will not work thatay. they are going to step back and not adhere to the main freedoms that all oer eu members adhere to create their not going to

have access to a single market. britainom line is that and sports 90% of their goods and services to the eu. when it step up to a single-payer they are going to dig a huge economic head and that are going to lose political influence, there voice will not be heard a european council created they could threaten the unity of the country, are the scots and irish going to stick around? >> will the french stick around with this election? >> that is where the $6 million question. arope can and will survive brexit. i am not sure britain could survive marine le pen because that would threaten the franco german relationship with the trend in europe wishing that and a populist direction pushing them to extremism. that would threaten their security. >> she is after all the leader

of europe, the leader of the free world. int she says and the tone which she says it will be very important. she will try to be accommodated years,ible, as the two the clock is ticking starting today with article 50. there is a to be great deal of negotiation, a great deal of backward somersaults. >> was going to be the hardest negotiation? >> it will be over how much the tariff will be to reach the european markets. europeans also have a luck with britain, industries are amazingly and we had 50 years, what are you produce in europe is likely made in more than one country. to extricate herself from all of it isnitty-gritty affairs

just like a divorce. they divorced that comes very imagine life, you britain and their 60's trying to divorce themselves. this, president he said dohere great not do this because you have more influence in europe and in the councils. true, addingat is that is very much review of the american side at the moment. america has two big points they love the idea of london as a base. is there, they want to stay and abundant, they want to just have a passport operate through europe. that was the brilliant thing. there is also the politicians, it was very convenient for america to have britain as the central way into eope di.

obama got along with mrs. merkel. trump has not quite gotten along, there is not a way to restructure the west. written for all this talk about the special relationship, a big part of it was their ability to reinterpret what europeans thought of american spirit and a way that americans understood. obscuritye sharing from intelligence ageies, is that going to be affected by this. >> that is part of what will be under discussion, i am guessing that when it comes to the sharing of intelligence on what isgoing on in the middle east, we have made a lot of progress during the last two years sharing information. if theynot be surprised want that is his think, i would worry more about the degree to which written's exit will change the eu in ways that americans

may not like. it may be less market oriented, it may be less interested in expansion. we americans are going to affect asked who will replace the brits. ?ill it be the scandinavians i think it is also the broader question of when you take brexit and put it next to what is happening here it really does put into this belief that in the last 200 year area of history that we have been looking at could be coming to an end. taco was really kind of the empire. , thereas a rule of law was an international system, there were civil rights, that kind of work over will work to with how experts on igo i. now we have somebody in the white house who are not sure how he buys in. that is a very serious question,

if the architect of the west are having indigestion about the world that they built, who was going to defend this? quite there is this point that we could look back on this period and people ask did angela merkel use all of the power she had since you have become the dominant figure in europe. europe managed to keep togeer, that has been a great achievement, she has not been able to necessarily make this into making europe and economic maker. if marine le pen causes a referendum she could stand a good chance of winning that. in european architecture is agree, did angela merkel with this, she has been a very

impressive politician. >> in europe? >> i think she has been good about a lot of things. i think in terms of a statecraft and keeping things together she has probably been better than anyone else. to what out able opposition of any sort, in the opposition of europe and in her own country. that has been hard to beat. >> what a pickup with you until you until you have heard. americans are going to wonder what really affects them. you're going to have this ugly divorce on the size of the country, i think donald trump could be kind of a shadowy figure at the table. i think the dynamics that theresa may actually came over to washington ugly. point that it has more options they could sign a

free-trade deal. donald trump is going against obama with same that they would have to wait and the back of the queue. they are saying republicans on capil hill are looking at a quick free-trade bill. it is a good idea. it is really hard for delta to do a free-trade deal with britain because there will not be the terms with europe. the politics could also get very tricky for someone like theresa veryecause donald trump is unpopular across the lot of europe rid bridget is is is kind of trojan horse of a trumpian nationalist movement breaking up the european union. they want to align themselves with america, things are going to get very hard. i think he is a video player in this argument.

i think you make a very smart point there. europeanse reasons have always presented britain is because of the foundation of the european community. they suspecteds britain was a trojan horse. along wella together. they were making excuses, they have these anglo-saxon economics, it was a different thing. suspect therefore already spread ministers are too cozy with the americans. toy blair was quick to jump into the bed with george bush. there is good to be a switch that is essential to this and that will be very important when it comes to telling people to

get out of here. that is quite a strong sentiment. what happens if there is no agreement? >> no agement after two years they are going to be gone and they play by the pto rules. paris would go up, a lot of bankers are going to ship out and moved to paris and frankfurt. they're going to come here to new york, that may be where we end up. it is going to be one hell of a tough negotiation. >> there is another big issue to over that is exaggerate britain's importance, america over the years has invested a lot in things like peace and northern ireland. there are these scenarios where a hard worker has to reappear between northern ireland and ireland. there are economic reasons why scotland may choose to stay in the united kingdom but the

politics have gotten that they want to stay in europe. america may part their nuclear summaries and places in scotland, it is the only place inre they can park those scotland goes away than there is a real crisis. extraordinary risks that cascade out from a hard departure. brexiteers must lose if they are to succeed. can you unpack that statement me?ing -- for britain basically told the public that they can have full sovereignty and full control over the court of justice and , they can have all of the prosrity that they currently have with the market. economists say that

has always been untrue, they are going to have to lose, they are going to have to make some are going tohey have to become poor if they want to continue to trading with butter countries. they are going to have to make concessions which they are currently denying in terms of european rules. imagine a pharmaceutical company that makes medicine for the u.k., we crashed out does that pharmaceutical company want to be subject to british rule or your opinion role. it does not make a lot of sense for an american company to have to agree to those terms. brexiteers arerk going to have to break some of those premises. us can quickly, most of almost economist is a this is a situation where britain it is a

question of how much they lose and it is a question of if europe loses a bit or not. where on that side of the argument -- there are a another group of people that are in terms of voters who would say that this is a great opportunity there e two groups of pele wereack the spread there wonder but dislike foreigners and there was another grp who quite genuinely and honestly thought this is a chance to get free from the bureaucracy. at least one part of their argument which i don't agree with but i think is very clear is that they look at the eu in trouble and it is only going to get worse. the counterfactual of what happens to europe is incredibly important. if the eu becomes a success or continues then it will make the british look stupid. the eu is not deal with these

problems but maybe the british will look slightly clever. >> i think at the end of the day that referendum was not really about the careful analysis of the facts. what is that to happen to the economy? what is what happened to our influence? it was about the motion and the identity. i think that is where david cameron went wrong. exports,ere of the stay in. the other side talked about the terrorist's. we need to reclaim traditional britain. it is what happened here. -- disaffectedd the people who were voting. they were fresh in the political establishment another have to live with that. >> thank you. ♪

♪ >> as a president of abc, she was later obama's deputy chief of staff, she was one of his longest-serving advisors. one of the most important people in have not heard of, she wrote him a more and it is called who thought this was a good idea? youall the couple questions should have answers to.

it has is rish number 10 of an defense best selling was. i am pleased to have her back at this table. >> i wrote the book because i think that there is a preponderance of memoirs out from the white house and the government that are very serious they do not necessarily give young people especially a young woman in cap to government they do not see themselves in government. they books outut there, i wanted to write something that made the government and the white house seem excessive -- accessible. plus still being just a normal person you not have to be a wonder woman. >> you are a wonder woman. but i was what i had my share of problems. decemberack obama in of 2004. his his senate

race. me an aolbs sent instant message that said how are you? the unique work? with then when i met senator obama a few weeks later. >> vucevic you get? >> i was can of his advisor and political work before i went over and did the political director of the political action committee. >> how would you define the relationship between the two of you. >> we are kind of like big brother and not much younger sister that is what he would say. i am not that much younger. >> he also took an interest in your dating life. >> he saw how hard we all worked and we were there to support him. he felt really responsible for making sure we had personalized, he did try to set me up on a

date or two. do you think he will spend a lot of of his life as a writer? >> it seems to me that he deeply enjoyed doing that. >> how did his speechwriters workout? >> and figure are so many things to be written in the white house, on the campaign you're doing a lot. favreau and cody keenan had such a kind of mind meld with them that they could talk to him and know where he wanted to go and he would take it and it would be a back-and-forth. >> there was the speech of speech the race his remarks on the memorial downhill after the shooting, things like that he felt like he

had to do himself. i would think we would all say that was the worst day you could be in government. a tragedy beyond description. has still noty changed on gun control or it >> no it hasn't. you have to wonder why. that's the republicans afraid to stand up to the nra. a lot of what the democrats propose right after that was pretty basic. they wanted to close the loopholes in gun shows. thing is theythe are resistant to it. >> when did you go to work? wast the very beginning i getting there around 6:30 a.m. then you have your first meeting

ibm a.m. i will say though you would kind of screech into your parking spot by like 6:25 a.m. and you would have your coffee waiting and you would go in. meetings were early and the meet thend you would director of your reports and you would check in every day about a series of meetings in the afternoon. sometimes we would be traveling and that would make the schedule more intense. >> what did you learn about how to make an institution run, about how to make people believe in a mission? >> i think that's at the very core of our crew we deeply believed in barack obama, we were aligned behind why he wanted to be president which was to really help the american people. thatwe got there i think he saidery true in what

which made it very easy to get everybody and line to sort of achieve health care. passing health care is a great knew that was important, everyone of us in our own play -- i do not have anything to do with policy but i still report that supported the passing of health care with my part -- direct reports. just nothat we were competitive but really supportive of each other. >> there was one thing about the death of your cat that the president was supportive? my cat who had been with me since i started working with mr. when he passed away, he had been through everything, he was a part of the family. when he got sick and she was sick for a while but once he passed away the woman who took

and i was in the parking lot, we just had a journalist get detained. phone was himthe i thought but the president wanted to talk to me. having been with the president calls likee to makes this, you feel that. i said i appreciate it but i know this is awkward for you, he had just renamed mount mckinley and he saw the spirit float over, it sounds so silly but it really made me understand how deeply he met that. seen?n the world has not

>> maybe there is a little bit more now i think there is a real he was not very a motive. funny,him to be very deeply and the most intellectually curious. you would think that the president knows everything but i would say he is the most intellectual he curious person that i will ever know. expressed that? quincy wants to know everything. beould be reading, he could talking sports be reading a book that is not far from what i wrote he would say it know, tell me about this. sashae about this may be and molly up with like this book. anything about science .llustrated he said do not rush into the science fair, that was his favorite day of the year, he

would have the kids tell them all about how they made their projects. he thought henk was the smartest man in the room? >> no, i don't think so. it, ito think about wanted to really think about meetings in my head. i think sometimes of course he was. walked intok he meeting with angela merkel and thought he was superior, he had a good sense of position. >> what did you not do that you wish you had done? >> i wish that i had appreciated it more. it is so busy, it is so busy every day. but you don't think it the that it is wonderful? >> sometimes you do. sometimes you're moving so fast that there were times though that on my last day it was incredible. how many people get an audience

with the pope, that is unreal. less they when i left the white house it was like a movie playing in my head. i turned up led zeppelin loudly and went to pennsylvania avenue. they let me drive upgrade i will never be back in the same way ever again. i don't think i would ever want to work in the white house again. >> someone said you can imagine yourself getting back in the game. >> i can. think when secretary clinton was running, i was hopeful that she would win. cannot myself especially, i was glad to back up into the shadows and take my bow and say it had been a great run. with the new administration and think it somewhat that they and ifing to run in 2020 i could be of help to them it would be hard for me to say no. >> what you think of the trump

administration? >> you know, one of the things was president obama felt that there are but was to be partisan and that there are moments you have to be the public servant and not the politician. -- the bushrked administration was so helpful, they could not have been more generous. they prepared a so well for what was coming during our. of transition. the president said we were going to do a peaceful transition, i said ok i will do it. muchhing that hurts me so is that i feel deeply that they have not looked at what we did and evaluated it with clear eyes and thought maybe this is actually pretty good and we should keep it. bit, it we will keep a seems that they are shooting everything we did for sports. >> like today with the environmental standards.

>> right, how could you -- >> you worked for eight years to build something and someone says they are going to tear it down. >> just for the sake of turn it down, i get politics or is always a winner and loser. that i thought that was pretty grotesque foreleg of they wanted toas have that vote to repeal the aca on the day of the anniversary he signed it. level of whole other political fear. >> you does work very hard as a single legislation achievement of eight years. >> millions of people, tens of millions of people were helped by it. when youn something cannot explain how people who have health care will be taking so rushed just seemed canhaphazard grade people

criticize us anyway they want to but we were thoughtful. >> to understand what this book is about it is a chronicle of your experiences. it is also a sense of communication to young people. thing i wanted to show is that being a public servant gets so inflated sometime. you can actually be a public you conserve your country, it does not matter who the president is. toso many cases, i wanted have young people but especially young women to know that it is an available option. >> i thought this was a good , who had inside view of the white house, presidential power and of all the states that come to you when you are on pennsylvania avenue, it's an

interesting book. number 10 on the near as best-selling list. congratulations. ♪

♪ >> the grammy award by blues guitarist is here with us who has been dubbed the chosen one, include buddy guy and eric clapton who call him incredibly inspiring. he does well i would like to do

on stage by not having any effort at all. live in america 2016. here is kerry clark junior performing the healing right here in our studio. ♪

this music is my healing. lord konws i need some healing, yeah. cause when this world upsets sets me free. formation. they see. test and compile in

formation. to try to make us belive that there is something we can't touch something we'll never feel when i feel like it's too much always reveals this is our healing music is our healing lord knows we need some healing yeah when this music sets me free

who will save us who will save us now watchthey sit back and flowers turn to stone music this we got this music got this music can't take it away no no no oh no

♪ >> i have listed have it at this table for the very first time. >> think you a pleasure to be here. >> the idea of the chosen to wear that come from? >> i am not quite sure. up ink that first popped rolling stone, something like and those with better get this together. >> they also call you a musical ambassador. somehow you are an ambassador. >> that is something that i have started to embrace a little bit

more as it become older and really what i think my role is physically. banksrying to do a lot of that have definitely been in spots in positions where i have been looked upon and called upon by artists to carry on the tradition of blues music and music rooted in blues. it is that a little bit overwhelming, i turned to take you much attention to it, i tried to get myself wrapped up in that. myself,t of pressure on i want to work on myself and understand my strengths and weaknesses without necessarily hearing all of that noise.

>> what was it about the blues? blues by aoked on friend of mine, i knew her since she was eight years old. a guitar and i could hear her played down the street and two, it was her other girls in her bed. i used to just be drawn to that. i have up getting a guitar and she wanted to go to a blues jam for her 15th that. she signed us up, we went up neverand we were just looking back from that. everybody on the sequence really open to us and embraced it, they

were going to share their knowledge with the blues. is and ofsic that being forgotten in the pop culture. i was really excited when there were these teenagers coming up. quest so much risk history in america with beth. >> exactly. in, ited to really dive became filling with coming from austin, texas. votto --ve on, joey and that vaughn, was into what they listen to. like t-bone walker. quest didn't you turned up a scholarship to go on the road with jimmy vaughn?

debated it i had a long talk with my parents and my veterans -- grandparents. me i knewt that for that i wanted to be a musician and i wanted to be involved with it somehow. i wanted to kind of find my own way for better or for worse, i don't like he was on the what to do. i don't take instruction very well, i am a terrible student. i kind of feel like my gut feeling is i know where to go, i am confident. >> how did you know you are a good musician? >> i saw michael jackson on stage rows five years old. it was a complete surprise, i just fell in love with the energy. >> the dance and the music. >> we always have music in the house, i was always right next

to the speaker. ♪ >> it was not easy for you, you had a struggling everybody else. quest i made a choice to. i wanted to get up and do this thing. housed out of my parents and i did not have much, i was going to survive as a musician. i played 4, 5, 6 nights a week. bars planning smoky blues knowing that i wanted to be have ane people that i fortunate enough to be alongside of. experience and from all the stories, you have

to have your 10,000 hours. it has a really putting your time of work, you have to really understand what needs to be a part of that unit. i can play guitar solos all day long, but your heart has to be in it, you have to understand how you build confidence, you have to know what works and what doesn't work. you have to become more comfortable. ,f i had not put in those hours with all of these opportunities i do not know if i would be able to do this. worked for this. i think it was really important, the struggle i had my legs shut off, >> pboc imminence of you had not paid your bills. middle of recording

something and all of a sudden there they go. arey impression is that you a above the line kind of guy. >> yes. >> the title of this is kerry clark live american 2016. >> some of my favorite records are live albums. you can feel the audience which is what i like. i think that is really a place for me. i feel comfortable. >> turin is where the money is. touring it is. we stayed turin. >> it really has come to that, hasn't it? >> it is an interesting record

business. of why i am so dependent on and focus on playing like. people always want to come and see and hear live music. year? many gigs to do a >> that is a good question, we -- not so much this year because i was getting to a is i cannot know where i am or what i was doing. i want to go home for a second. >> it is startling to say hello sacramento and you are in san francisco. >> there are a couple of times where i could not anything because i wasn't sure. >> i have heard about some names who have done that.

tell you what is in the self -- this album? >> this is a song that was on another one of my records. i was sitting in the studio a little bit stuck about what i would write about. clicked, kind of everything that i was listening to that i have recorded previously, it really was a weight off of me to be able to express myself musically and artistically in the back to how i.t. was a kid and used to run around. on thesic kind of put me right direction, it may be feel. like tupac, just

hearing stories, i grew up a religious person but i have realized that music has been more of a guy to me than anything else in my life did >> music has been your religion? >> yes. felt -- self and reflect. >> are you happy is when you are on stage? stage, i'mpiest on happy when there is just music playing. there is music somewhere. it really gets all of that great if i am not playing it, i love to go out and check out live bands. i just need that in my life. ♪

she left me this morning. did.she ♪ >> where do you live? >> down in texas. >> it is a great place. >> i lived in new york for a couple of years, i started getting cold.

i was out in california for a little bit. in now i look to the home austin. >> where are you going where are your journeys going for the next step. are you trying to explore new experiences. >> are you looking to open people's fears, see a variety of music or all of the above? >> all of it you express a better than i could have. >> maybe i should write songs. it would certainly be better for me to write than to sing. >> we should collaborate. >> what is a hat about? hat adad bought me a

while ago, i remember watching michael jackson wear a hat, and you can see what is happening in the jackson five, i thought it was the coolest thing ever. two stevie ray on, to jimi hendrix to johnny lee hooker, it was just a thank. i never put it on, my dad got me and itput it on one day took me a while, i did not feel comfortable. and i got aed out couple of complements people said it was a good look. grexit and it did not feel comfortable but to have it? >> now.

>> let me remind everybody. clark junior. ♪ you are going to know my name. you are going to know my name. life is going to my head. my life and the city is going to my head. i don't care at all. because you don't care.

get lost in the city, tried to find myself. had enough for a different person. i know this isn't right. head, on in my surprise that i'm still alive. city goights in the into my head. lights go into my head. you don't know at all.

they're going to know my name. you are going to know my name. yeah, yeah. you are going to know my name.

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