it struck a complex in afghanistan. it is also called the mother of all bombs. the cia director has announced wikileaks has hostile intelligence agency. he gave his first public speech since becoming director, saying the group is being co-opteby russia. he also said iran should take notice of the u.s. military strike in syria. the un security council has motivation and honestly -- vod -- imously to end the that's in recognition of the steps that haiti has taken in recent elections. the council voted to extend the mandate of the mission for a final six months. president trump has signed legislation to give states flexibility to withhold family-planning money from planned parenthood. it is part of a broader effort by republicans to cut off federal funding from organizations that perform

abortions. the first female muslim judge has been found dead in the muslim river. the body was found a day after her husband reported her missing. she was an associate justice on the new york court of appeals. authorities say there are no signs a crime was committed. i'm mark crumpton in new york. "bloomberg technology" is next. caroline: i'm caroline hyde. this is "bloomberg technology." coming up, apple announces three of its suppliers have pledged to use only renewable energy. we will have a an exclusive h --ave an -- we will have an exclusive interview. the battle lines are drawn as the world's biggest internet giant gear up for a fight with regulators over net neutrality. another tech company dives into

the public market. we will give you the latest outlook for the ipo landscape. first, our exclusive interview with apple's vp of environment policy and social initiatives. as the company pushes toward its goal of all facilities to be 100% renewable, lisa jackson told david gura how the company persuaded three chinese suppliers to rely solely on green power. >> you should expect to see more and more suppliers. we have three new suppliers who've said, in china, we are going 100% for apple's operations. it was a matter of making them -- helping them understand how we invest in clean energy, so they could take advantage of the same marketplace and the same returns. caroline: this comes as some apple suppliers have been feeling the pressure. chipmakereuropean dialog semiconductor plunged after an analyst warned that apple would probably cut back on use of the company's chips.

joining us, david kirkpatrick, ceo of tech on any -- of tech conomy. and alex webb, bloomberg reporter who knows all things apple. talk to us about the news coming out. buyingpple has been chinese energy sources in order to facilitate these sorts of contracts with its suppliers. supplier part, as you try to cozy up to apple, as we have seen from this example, these guys can be a little bit vulnerable. they are doing as much as they can to get an apple's good books . there are economic advantages as well. caroline: it's a bonus for apple longer-term if they have a clear picture. alex: full credit chapel to trying to get renewable energy sources -- full credit to apple for trying to get renewable energy sources. 20-year to 30-your

purchase agreement with an energy supplier. that locks in a particular price you are going to pay for your energy over that period. if it becomes cheaper on the open market, you can still go for that cheaper option, but it gives you the ability to predict how much you are going to be spending on energy for the years to come. caroline: money talks, david. it's interesting timing. perhaps surprising there is a business case for this, not just .n environmental case david: this issue of renewable energy is much bigger in china than it is here, increasingly. the resources to event -- do exist there. even if they don't today, they are likely to tomorrow. if a company like apple is

putting an emphasis on renewable energy for its suppliers, it might force them to take more moves outside the united states. caroline: fascinating. something the administration definitely does not want. david: or understand. caroline: interesting. alex, back to you. supply chaintion, analysis. it digs into who the suppliers are of apple and who they supply to. it's a bit of a murky picture. if you dive into my bloomberg, you can see how dependent certain suppliers are on apple. alex: that's the foxconn parent. caroline: they have started to perhaps drop a few of these suppliers. is this a worrying time to be an apple supplier? alex: it's always worrying. they can drop anyone or take

anyone on at any given moment. that's why you do as much as possible to keep apple on your side. because of some of the pressure we are seeing in the mobile phone industry, the smartphone industry, there is perhaps a greater impetus for apple to try to do more going back into the supply chain, to try to own more of that technology in order to wring every last dollar that is possibly can out of the iphone. they own all of the shops in which they distribute and sell their phones. that is forward-looking integration. in the opposite direction, they are doing more and more independent to own the fundamental technologies which underpin the iphone. caroline: and support their margins, perhaps why they are going after qualcomm. optimist orre an pessimist when it comes to how much apple can rejuvenate themselves and be the innovator we remember of the past decade? that's an interesting

question, not the one i would have expected you to ask. that.d say i'm neutral on i think it depends a lot on this new phone coming out this fall, about which there are still a lot of questions. i am a little skeptical they can make it fundamentally different enough to, lik,e, really move the needle -- to, like, really move the needle. maybe they can. they have done miracles before. there ability to -- their ability to execute logistically is unparalleled. really tied into this issue of the responsibility that some of these companies have in the tech sector now that they are so gigantic. apple is the most valuable company in the world. one might ask if they have this suite of suppliers all over the world who live by the sword and die by the sword, if apple lifts it might hurt them and cause their stock to plummet, does apple have some kind of show responsibility -- of special responsibility to let

shareholders know what might be coming or even take them under their wing? when a company is that big, it makes me wonder. caroline: it makes you wonder when apple is one of the biggest shareholders of imagination technology in the u.k. that has plummeted on the back of potentially not being as big a supplier as it previously had been. alex webb and david kirkpatrick. now, another stock we are watching. tesla. shares jumped after ceo elon the announced plans to pad company's lineup with electric vehicles. musk said tesla will unveil a semi truck, also known as an articulated lorry, if you are a brick -- brit like me. tesla will also bring back its very first model, the roadster. this time, it's a convertible. coming up, the biggest internet companies in the world have a

message for washington. leave the neutrality rules alone. we will dig into the battle over internet oversight. all episodes of "bloomberg technology" are now livestreaming on twitter. this is bloomberg. ♪

t-mobile,the fcc says comcast, and dish network are among the top winners in the latest u.s. airwave auction. airwaves are now being repurposed for wireless data traffic. t-mobile was the largest bidder. dish network paid the second-most and is already sitting on a vast trove of airwaves it has yet to use. shares sunk after hours after we

saw that announcement. theking with the fcc, largest internet companies in the world are making their case to the regulator not to gut existing net neutrality rules. the principle is that internet service providers should enable equal access to all providers -- to all applications. they met with ajit pai in washington. pai has a track record of opposing the existing rules. the internet association ceo, michael just -- michael beckerman, joins us from washington. david kirkpatrick, our guest host for the hour. michael, you have met with ajit pai. perhaps he wants to get rid of those. he wants to move it to the ftc instead. your view is that net neutrality should not be changed.

was he open ear-eared or not? a very cordial meeting. i have a lot of respect for the chairman. we do strongly disagree on this issue. we think the fcc got the rules right in 2015. we are advocating they keep it the same. if it's not broke, don't fix it. as it results -- relates to moving to the federal trade commission, i would point to the comments from commissioner sweeney that they are not the expert agency. we have agencies in our government. all the engineers are at the fcc. that's the expert agency. we should keep it there. caroline: you're looking at a terrell, made by talking about the performance -- importance of keeping it with the fcc. pai does make out that clearly, he has always tried to say that he wants net neutrality principles to remain, but a

voluntary pledge instead. do you think if it wasn't supported by the law, we would ever see net neutrality remain a reality? >> yeah, i think there is way too much day care -- way too much at stake here. the consumer experience that we know and love, both on mobile and fixed broadband connections rely on these rules. if you're willing to agree to them in a voluntary sense, you might as well keep the existing rules that are on the books now to protect consumers. caroline: do you agree with michael, if it ain't broke, don't fix it? david: ironically, i do agree with him, if it's not broke, don't fix it. i come to a slightly different conclusion, or i worry less. the thing that i feel and have noticed is that there has almost never really been patent obvious

violations of what people consider to be net neutrality, yet her has been a huge hullabaloo -- yet there has been a huge hullabaloo about coming up with new rules, that the government should get more involved. i believe capitalism generally works. i honestly don't think that it's that big of a deal whether we have a voluntary agreement or a , in myven that experience, there is hardly any evidence of their really being a problem. there really being a problem. the idea that the internet companies are somehow being bullied by companies like verizon and at&t is fundamentally illogical if you look at the market caps, the market power, the consumer relationships, the way they are perceived in the marketplace. caroline: michael, respond to that. is there evidence prior to net neutrality that smaller startups content makerset

were unable to get equal access to the internet? >> yeah. a few things to respond to that. one, we have had rules or the overhang of rules for quite some time from the 2010 rules that got struck down and back and forth. we have been under a period of uncertainty in this area where i think it has kept everybody honest. in terms of the protections that are needed, 70% of americans have zero or one choice for your broadband -- high-speed broadband connection, which means there is not a lot of competition when you compare that to the internet, where everything is a click away. if you don't like one streaming service, you can use another, and there is lots of competition. this is not just about the large companies. certainly, you could say they could fight for themselves although it's a different landscape. what about the next generation of companies? it's about consumers and maintaining the low barrier to entry for the next generation of

internet companies to have the same chance the first generation did. caroline: if we see ajit pai stand by his word and remove net neutrality or make it a voluntary process, move it to th e ftc, will the internet companies you represent fight back legally? >> we are going to make sure our voice is heard in congress, in the fcc, through every means possible, because we are outcome-oriented. the rules that they have in place are working for consumers. we want to make sure they stay. don't think it makes sense moving this to an agency that is not the expert agency. you would not move approval of drug prices from the fda to the ftc. all the scientists are at the fda. same thing here. the engineers and experts are at the fcc. caroline: should the internet companies you receive be overseen by the fcc, too, if that's where all the experts were? covered by the ftc as

it relates to network privacy. we are talking about network management. making sure the internet stays open and free. you don't have the isp gatekeepers. it's different when you're looking at isp providers vs. isp's. caroline: michael beckerman, thank you. our guest host, techonomy david 'srkpatrick -- techonomy david kirkpatrick. we will hear from a ceo on a company's first day of trading. this is bloomberg. ♪

caroline: instagram is seeing continued growth of its snapchat-like feature.

over 200 million people are using instant graham stories every day, up from 150 million -- instagram stories every day, up from 150 million in january. 2% onhares slid around the news, but regained to close flat. tech companies seem to be lining up to enter the public market. yext is the latest to take the ipo plunge. it helps chains manage their individual listings across social networks and apps. bloomberg's alex barinka spoke to ceo howard lerman. >> being public presents us with incredible credibility. many of our customers are the world's biggest financial institutions. they want to see a company that has transparent, audited financials.

they want to know a company is going to be compliant. being public helps us with our credibility. it also is a huge marker of our awareness. as a pioneer in a new category, the most important thing is creating the awareness of how we can solve this huge problem. for a company, their website used to be the centerpiece of their digital experience, but now it is maps, voice search, and knowledge card answers. yext helps our customers with this. we are new in this category, and we need to make sure we have the awareness. an ipo helps us do just that. ceoline: that was yext howard lerman. joining us is the interviewer herself, alex barinka. still with us is david kirkpatrick. to berise software seems where it sat when it comes to ipo. anymore we should keep our eyes on? alex b.: that's typical for a

healthy tech ipo market. a majority of the listings will come from enterprise software. another company is prepping their listing. they are looking to go public at a valuation of about $4 billion. they filed publicly last week. ancestry.com. there are a number of names out there where, at this time last year, i did not have much for you. it does seem like there is investor interest for these listings, which is an important ingredient, and now we have the supply. we have the companies getting ready. it seems like we will see more in this enterprise tech last in inms of u.s. -- tech class terms of u.s.-listed companies. ceod: i can see why yext's would want to go public for the marketing reasons. i'm not sure why investors should be interested in a company that had $120 million in revenues and lost $40 million.

to me, that feels very bubble-ish. what do you think? aex b.: it seems we have seen shift on putting more onus back on revenue. last year, before we saw this after labor day in 2016, investors in public equity markets wanted both topline growth and they really cared about profitability or paths to profitability. we've seen more of an appetite, whether it's a company like yext or snapchat, for these younger companies, where the investors are saying i'm willing to come in and take a more risky bet, award you on valuation, because i think you have potential in the future. talking to people on the street, there are a few classes of investors that are looking at this. the fact of the matter is there still are not a ton of tech listings. you have some people chasing near-term returns.

itself is up 20% on listing day. you think of the past money moving in and out, that is definitely a reality right now in the ipo market -- think of the fast money moving in and out, that is definitely a reality right now in the ipo market. caroline: what is still burned into our memory is the start of the ipo doorway, which was slammed shut by app dynamics getting bought out by cisco at the last moment. alex b.: it seems like this when -- the pendulum has swung back to ipo's. my colleagues and i sourced a bunch of different situations. outnexus considered a dual track. these companies are lists -- looking to the public market. could that change at the drop of a hat? potentially, yes. everyone is very concerned about

where equities will be over the next 18 months to a year. seem like ipodoes is the course of action for the exit-ready companies who could potentially be standalone and have some interest from public markets. caroline: all eyes in europe on this as well. alex barinka and techonomy ceo david kirkpatrick. coming up, another crazy week for chipmakers. so begins the drama of qualcomm. this is bloomberg. ♪

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and its founder from cia leader mike pompeo. not reporters doing good work to try and keep the american government honest. these are people who are actively recruiting agents to steal american secrets with the sole intent of destroying the american way of life. that is fundamentally different than a first amendment activity, as i understand them and i think as most americans understand them. the most u.s. dropped powerful nonnuclear bomb in its military arsenal for the first time in history today. the bomb struck an islamic state tunnel complex in afghanistan. president trump was asked if dropping a bomb sends a message to north korea. president trump: it doesn't make any difference if it does or not . north korea is a problem. the problem will be taken care of. i think china has really been working very hard.

mark: japan's prime minister shinzo abe warns north korea may be able to fire a missile loaded with sarin gas toward his country. toin is the gas believed have been used in that chemical attack last week in syria. the syrian president said that chemical attack was, quote, "100% made up." speaking to french news agency afp, assad says he believes western powers have sided with terrorists against syrian authorities. the attorney for the passenger dragged from a united express flight says his client accepts the apology from the airlines ceo, but believes it was insincere. >> he had to apologize, really. think about it. look at the video. i mean, even our president last night said that was horrible. spicer said it. anybody that looks at it says

it. dao was dragged off a flight sunday after he refused to give up his seat. his attorney says dao will probably sue over the incident and the city of chicago, which employs guards, is also responsible. canadian prime minister trudeau has announced today a new legislation legalizing marijuana, expected to take effect in the summer of 2018. the chairman of the nfl's pittsburgh steelers is dead. he was 84. he is credited for the rule that stipulates teams must interview at least one minority candidate for gm and head-coaching vacancies. he also served as u.s. ambassador to ireland. i'm mark crumpton in new york. caroline: this is "bloomberg technology." i'm caroline hyde. just before he took office,

president trump took a meeting companieseo of tech in a highly publicized meeting. johnson and iny thing about -- and ian king about this. >> she's extraordinarily effective in silicon valley. oracle has done very well, when many of its comment letters -- its competitors have not. has done very well. the administration would be lucky to get someone like her. i find it hard to him -- to imagine she would leave oracle. caroline: she came over as an immigrant, who could have been very passionate about the travel ban, but was notably silent in some ways. cory: maybe silent publicly. she is not a very public persona. she is sharp. she gets her way and makes her opinions known.

she also is very effective on wall street. she has a lot of good perspective. caroline: there may be some bridges being built by some companies in silicon valley with the white house. i want to shift gears to your particular area of expertise. we've had so much news in terms of chipmakers this week, whether it is qualcomm fighting back at apple, the asian company today coming out with its own earnings report. can you tell us a little bit about qualcomm? ian: qualcomm started off on the offensive legally, fighting back against apple, accusing them of lying, saying you have created this global conspiracy because you don't want to pay as much as you want -- we want you to pay. as a weak moves on, all of a sudden they are on the wrong end of a legal dispute -- as the week moves on, all of a sudden they are on the wrong end of a legal dispute with samsung. money back.their caroline: the chips have been a

particular area of growth on the stock market. a real performer when you are looking at some of the stocks. today, not so much. cory: about 47% over the course of the last year. that's driven by m&a, too. goes, asidealcomm the legalompany, department is as important as any other company -- part of the company. ian: by a large margin. .aroline: this story will run how much about the fact that blackboard -- blackberry won? still, a coup for apple potentially. ian: qualcomm immediately said this was a binding arbitration we agreed to be part of, nothing to do with anything else. based on what they are trying to say this week, trying to get its

message out, it doesn't look great. caroline: that was cory johnson and ian king. an update on another chipmaker. toshiba has temporarily canceled meetings and a decision on its sale of its memory chip business. the delay is to address concerns raised by an industry partner. the firm says purchase may antsate their contract and w to be negotiated with exclusively before any sale. a predominant theme in silicon valley over the past year in vaults powerful founders behaving badly. two and zenefits are companies whose public reputations have been partly undone by such. now, the world's most valuable cybersecurity startup. a bloomberg scoop with lizette chapman. still with us, techonomy ceo david kirkpatrick. this is a fascinating read. have a read.

this is a company that provides their technology to government agencies, every bank in the u.s. big valuation, bad behavior. lizette: that's partially true. people may be leaving. some were fired. some left voluntarily. you nkknow, nine senior executis leaving within eight months definitely means something was going on. that's why my colleague and i began investigating. caroline: the something that's going on, give us a flavor of some of the behavior. your yield something -- you revealed something in particular. lizette: based on interviews we did with more than two dozen current and father -- former investors, employees, business partners, and the like, it seems there is a pattern of firing employees right before they vest some of their shares. these are people who reach a certain point, who have been there long enough, that are

entitled to purchase some of their options, and these people wound up to what was referred to internally as this list, even called, paste this link and somewhat improbably -- tasteless improbably,ewhat "schindler's list." caroline: some of his behavior came to the attention of a key investor in the company. and recent horowitz holds a big steak -- and recent horowitz -- holds a bigorowitz stake. lizette: this company was last valued privately over a year ago at $3.5 billion, so this is not a small company. these are not small stakes on the table. some of the behaviors he engaged included publicly belittling

employees for being overweight, for being stupid, spreading , saying awful things in front of other employees about sexual promiscuity and drug use. caroline: does not strike you as the ceo of a business that could potentially be going public. we will see how that story progresses. it's amazing. i'm sure this story will have some legs to run still. thank you very much indeed, lizette chapman, with a fantastic scoop. i urge you to read it. while we are on the topic of big meltdowns,ps having there is a new report that talks about a so-called "hell" program designed to subvert lyft. david kirkpatrick, give us your reaction. david: i have to say i have been shocked by the repeated revelations about uber and the

information in particular has done spectacularly good reporting in recent weeks. every time they pull out the magnifying glass, they find something else unpleasant under the lens. this time, it really looks like hasengaged -- like uber engaged in illegal industrial espionage against lyft where they were trying to manipulate drivers by pretending to be lyft customers and getting more information than they really should have had, then correlating it in sort of impressive database fashion, but really in a way that is scary, if you look at what it means for companies that are all algorithmic. but also really just unethical. it's one more unethical thing about uber that i think -- and probably illegal thing. this stuff has got to stop. with relation to your previous story, it's a transparent age. people are going to get found

out. you can't act badly. caroline: we will see how lyft responds. david kirkpatrick has responded already, techonomy ceo and guest host for the hour. thank you so much. more from our exclusive and wide-ranging interview coming up -- wide-ranging interview with lisa jackson coming up. this is bloomberg. ♪

caroline: more on our top story. apple announcing three of its suppliers are committed to using only solar energy. apple is pushing towards its goal for all facilities to be 100% renewable. in an exclusive interview, david gura spoke to lisa jackson. he asked her where apple stands

now with their goal. lisa: we are announcing very soon that we are at 96% renewable worldwide, and we are at 100% renewable in the united states and 23 other countries. so, we are feeling pretty good. 96%, a lot of people would say made itop, but tim cook really clear we are not going to stop until we are 100% renewable everywhere. i think the really cool part of that is we look at our carbon footprint as so much more than just our offices, data centers, stores, even distribution centers. all of that is included in the 96%, but now we are moving on to our supply chain. these are companies we don't own. they are partners of ours. we certainly work really closely with them. we are now at summer -- seven members of our supply chain who have committed to making their apple operations 100% renewable, too. david: how do you quantify how much electricity a company like

apple uses? lisa: we looked at it -- for apple itself, i think we looked at it and said our carbon footprint is 38 million metric tons per year. that's more than some small countries. if you look at it in the world, it is less than 0.1% per day of what the world does. one of the things we also say is you can't change the world and deal with climate change if all you do is make yourself green. so, apple is about innovation. apple is about being the first to something. when we find something, now the idea is how can we help our suppliers get green? how can we help our customers feel good about the clean energy that they may be able to access and that we are accessing on their behalf for stuff like facetime or when uo -- you send an imessage, knowing that is running through a data center that is running on clean energy? how do we make that connection for people?

areoesn't sound like we huge, except 38 million metric tons is nothing to sneeze at. david: i remember touring a data center. thatneeded access to water the furniture factories had to electricity. it struck me how much energy i data center consumes. usingn talk about renewable energy to supply those data centers. we getting more efficient data centers, or is that a really high hurdle -- are we getting more efficient data centers, or is that a really high hurdle? lisa: these thousands of computer servers make up a data center. they are these sort of futuristic hives. we need to make sure that, as we move society to this very virtual world, data-driven world, big data, all these terms we all hear and that everyone is investing in, let's do it in

a way that means we are moving toward cleaner energy, not traditional brown power. yeah, it is a lot of energy. yes, it's 24/7. you can't have it go down. reliability and consistency of the power supply is incredibly important. it makes it a complex challenge, but one which a lot of companies are starting to follow apple's lead and say, hey, we want to get to 100% renewable, too. isid: how much of your job it evangelizing for renewability or more efficient machines? how do you make that case to customers that it is in their interest broadly speaking to adopt machines that are more efficient? lisa: customers care about how long their battery lasts. think about efficiency in those terms. part of what we do at apple is it should just work. it should be this wonderful experience that the lights you and makes you happy -- that delights you and makes you

happy. if the battery lasts longer and the machine is more efficient on a single charge, it costs you less money to charge it. those are all points that we make. every one of our products, there is an energy star rating for that product. we want to be the highest level of efficiency. we want to be energy star. which measures, how recyclable. we want to be epeat gold. we make the argument to the customer on the things the customer cares about, including the environment. they want to know is that the really smart people at apple are thinking about how to do it for them, make it better, make it more accessible. next week, we will be telling some of our stories for earth week to hopefully make that connection to the customer and the hard week we do and innovation we do to make clean energy and environment sort of part of their everyday life. david: you mentioned tim cook.

say to the skeptical investor who wonders why apple is putting so much energy into these issues? lisa: it is the right thing to do, first and foremost. if tim was here, he would say we do what's right. it's one of our values to leave the world better than we found it. he has said that many times. but also we challenge ourselves to make it something that is sustainable also economically. we are not trying to cost the investor money. we are trying to show a return as much as possible on these investments. last year -- i think it was last february, we put out a green bond to allow people who wanted to invest in corporate bonds to invest in us, and they loved it. it was described to really quickly -- it was subscribed to really quickly. billion, the largest green bond in the u.s. people trust apple to spend money like we say we will. we believe it yields a return.

that's good business. that's what this is all about. you don't have to choose between good business and a good environment. caroline: that was apple vp of environment policy and initiatives. a megamerger of apple and kely, wouldle unli make sense strategically for the iphone maker. the analyst backed up his reasoning. >> apple has been extremely focused on growing their services. they have talked extensively about increasing their content portfolio. they talked about the ability to do deals. size is a factor for them. -- there is atial potential that could apple make a big play in media. disney would make a ton of sense for them. caroline: coming up, we go inside the facility where

state-of-the-art bomb disposal robots are assembled and find out why these devices will always need human help. this is bloomberg. ♪

bomb is: diffusing a categorized as one of the most -- defusing a bomb is categorized as one of the most dangerous jobs to have, but now these teams have help. bloomberg has the story. >> you want me to tell you what we do specifically? ok. we blow up bombs. [laughter] after 9/11, there was a push from the federal government for bomb squads to obtain robots. we use it about one time to two times per month. it gives us as officers the ability to not approach something that we think may contain explosives. >> so, let's go to that video of

authorities sending out that robot to investigate the suspicious item. it appeared to be some sort of jacket. a member of the bomb squad moving in. obviously, it all ends well. everyone is safe. >> there are 466 bomb squads in the united states that operate a robot like this. here in sacramento, the california highway patrol is robot can out their perform missions controlled remotely by fiber-optic cable or by wireless. this particular model has three cameras and a two way radio. an operator can remotely control it as it climb stairs, opens and removes up suspicious packages, and blows them up. aboutbots, which costs $200,000 each, are only sold to the military and law enforcement. most u.s. bomb squads own one of these, manufactured by one of the largest military contractors

in the country, northrop grumman. i visited their headquarters in robots arewhere the built by hand, customized, and tested. >> fire in the hole! the products that we make and sell -- we are very proud of them. they do a good thing. they save people's lives. >> they have sold more than 2000 of these robots. they show up in the news almost every night. >> back now from dallas, where police ended the deadly siege on the city last night by using a robot with a bomb. >> dallas police department overseas battlefield tactics to take out the gunman. the dallas incident is important because it was the first time that a robot was used to take the life of someone posing a danger to the public. northrop grumman does not comment on incidents involving its robots, but what they and those who operate them are very clear on is that this kind of

robot is not getting the ability to think for itself anytime soon. >> you need that human element to decide what's safe, what's not. how do we do this? what are the ramifications if we take this route of action? what's going to happen? currently, with the current technologies in our robot, i just don't see it being automated to the point where you send it down range, it handles your package, and comes back, and everybody is safe. caroline: that does it for this edition of "bloomberg technology." tomorrow, a public holiday. coming up on monday, facebook's developer conference kicks off. we will be speaking with -- this is bloomberg. ♪