♪ rombauer studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." trump markssident his 100th day in office on saturday despite an ambitious agenda, he will not be celebrating legislative victories. he does have a confirmation for supreme court justice. the next vote on his health care plan has been pushed off the scramble to avoid another government shutdown. ofning me is maggie haberman the "new york times" and cnn. i want to start with you. this is what dylan byers wrote in a profile of you. there may be no reporter trump respects and fears more

than haberman. he returns to her to share his thinking and participate in interviews. >> i don't know the president would agree with his opening description. and i don't want to speak for him. i think two things are true. i have known him for a long time. i covered him at politico. and the "new york post. longevity matters with him and the familiar matters with him. i also don't think anyone should make any mistake. if i did not have the oppositional phrase of "the new york times" attached to my name, i am not sure i would be speaking to him as frequently. it is a marvin lewis --

marvelous paper. charlie: he has set in front of audiences, "i love the new york times." the next words out of his mouth are "the failing new york times." twoe games to our offices weeks after he was elected. we were the first major interview he did. he came to us. we did not go to him. that was the subject of some debate. it was scrapped and then put back on. trump,ften the case with there was negotiation up until the last second. he grew up in new york. he grew up in the outer boroughs. he still sees himself that way. he plopped himself down in this giant tower he built 30 years ago and still never felt he has gotten the respect he believes he deserves. he has always seen himself as this kid from queens clawing his way up the ladder. for him, "the times" looms very large. charlie: there is somebody

always questioning whether he is worth this or that. >> and how he made it. and did he come to this on his own. how much of this was given to him by his father versus how much he managed to create as a business under himself and is a brand unto himself. this question of legitimacy exists throughout his career. charlie: where does this win-win-win thing come from? >> it comes from his dad. he has two mentors. one is fred trump, his father, who taught him never give up, always win. kohn,en recalled -- roy who taught him always be on offense and that all press is good press. to be clear, i don't think donald trump believes all press is good press although i have heard him say a lot. i think he believes press is incredibly important. charlie: but winning is what

matters to him. >> the thing that is fascinating about him is it is very difficult as a president, to be clear. you're not going to have agreement on a shared set of facts with this president sometimes. we saw this a lot during the campaign. he will present numbers that are just not true about crowd size or the effects of his policies or when something took place. and when you challenge him on it, he will say that is what i read somewhere or someone sent me that. it is never his own domain. he does not own it. he does not take proprietary feel for it. a win is what he decides it is. that is his challenge now. how do i tell the public a 100-day presidency were his poll poll numbers and personal approval rating has been around , where he has historic

unfavorability, where he has been stymied by a congress where in party has the majority, both houses, how do i sell that is victory? charlie: you pointed this out. he sells it as this is an artificial landmark, artificial standard. the next thing he does is everything he can to make himself look good by the judgment of upstanding -- abstaining. >> he is a smart man. this is something he gets dinged for. i don't think a series of interviews he gave this past week necessarily served him well. he gave a bunch of 100-day interviews where he said things that candidly made my jaw drop that i will get to later. i think he is aware it is an important marker. he is also very numbers fixed. , that isisual learner

the term you hear about kids. i don't know he is a visual learner but he likes numbers, charts, and television. charlie: he likes listening to things rather than reading things. >> he likes to take things in through his ears. he likes to see a picture. that is how he absorbs. he knows the media in d.c. is obsessed with the 100-day marker. it is not an appropriate metric but it is still one that gets used. it started with f.d.r. and has worn out its utility, but it is still basically the benchmark by which you can sort of do a concurrent with other presidents. charlie: does he know if the facts are wrong that he is lying? >> i don't want to profess to be in his head. when i have interviewed him, there are times when it seems clear to me he knows what he has just said is not true.

and then there are other times where i am not sure he knows. he did this in an interview with someone recently who was not me. he will sometimes change the number of something he has just described. missilesmahawk that were dropped in syria became 79 in the next sentence. i was on the phone with him in 2011. they all were kicked -- blur together now. it might have been 2015. increased his worth from one sentence to the next. i don't even knew that he knew he was doing it. there were other times you call him of something and he will acknowledge it is not right. the challenge with him is you are never going to know which is which. for instance, take what happened this past week with nafta and him claiming he was on the brink of withdrawing the u.s. from nafta. nevermind that he cannot summarily do that. but suddenly at the last minute,

he was pulled back by canada and mexico rushing at him and cabinet secretaries. we are never going to know how much of that was him really being there or maybe it was just brinkmanship. charlie: he also talks about things as if he is always the greatest. everything is the best, the greatest. that comes out of his book in one instance. >> "art of the deal" it is in their. i think heof it -- is a very unusual combination of incredibly confident and incredibly insecure. charlie: a lot of people like that. >> everything is heightened with him. it is not that it is unusual. there are elements of this presidency stylistically but i think the closest recent analog is bill clinton in terms of

seating constant outside input. charlie: i have had some say other than clinton, he is the best -- >> he is remarkable in being able to make people feel like he is speaking just to them. charlie: a conversation in the room rather than a speech. >> people felt like when he was tweeting the last several years he came through like he was speaking just to them. he says enormously controversial things. his words have helped foment a lot of anger and hate. he has said and done things for which he has refused to apologize. he did not create the political divide but he has exacerbated and show no impulse to reach across the aisle. what gets missed in all the description of that is how one on one or in his rallies he can be very charming, funny. he is very quick.

that is why he does so well. he is very interested in engaging in the details of your life. you will usually retain some of them. not always. but he is very good, for someone whose empathy, and i do think he has struggled with this, he does seem to be focused on whoever he is focused on. for of what is fascinating people about that is he is a celebrity. they know him as a celebrity. it feels like the sun is shining on you. this is the description i have had people give to me at rallies. that is a huge asset. charlie: how long has he wanted to be president? >> i think since before he wrote "the art of the deal." that year -- 41, we now know we at had someone go talk to him about being the vice presidential running mate. >> there is a believe he has been interested in the

presidency far longer than 1987-88. that is the first time it is clear publicly he was doing anything that looked political in that regard. it is funny. dounderstand him, people need to read "the art of the deal." there.eally all first person that ever said that to me was newt gingrich. i had read the book. newt gingrich read his books as a way to understand him. it was effective. trump is very much warn of a certain moment in new york city, the 1980's and 1990's. he is this almost strange nationalized amalgamation of ed koch and rudy giuliani. these hyper engaged, hyper social, different types of governing styles, mayors. doing" was the "how my mayor. trump does a version of that.

charlie: he admires general mattis a lot. the military, people who have done well and c mike winters, he is very attracted to and seems to give them a capacity to even to make, decisions on the spot. >> i think that is the part that has been a relief to people. the winds this president has had in the first 100 days, there are not many as proteinn point to instead of carbs. in addition to getting the supreme court justice through, although they had to change the senate rules, he has empowered tillerson, mattis -- mcmaster and kelly to a much greater degree than people thought he would. and he has allowed himself to be influenced by them. the concern was -- trump is not

just admiring of the military. there's not this fetishistic thing about general. charlie: figures of authority. he said the same thing about putin, people like that. >> there was a real note of concern and an understandable one during the campaign. we have never seen this in a modern-day nominee. our system is not used to this. the concern was, does somebody who has such a predilection for making the military big and seem grand and strength and these characteristics, what does that mean about how he will govern? policyso far in foreign governed as a traditional republican. -- because charlie: because he chose people who reflected that point of view.

and those who did not work on soon. offensivelygone because he lied to the vice president. charlie: at the same time, he had an attitude about the military because he had been fired. >> correct. to the -- flynn played to a considered to be trump's worst instincts. other advisors in the west wing had long ago began to lose faith in flynn well before the transcript issue and line to the vice president. they felt he was controlling. it was some of the same reasons obama's advisors complained about him. there was an incident with flynn's son where he became a problem and had to be fired. the president does not like firing people, despite the "you are fired as quote tagline. the president does not like

absorbing negative press because of other people. charlie: don't bring your rain on to me. >> correct. he does not want their rain on him. flynn used up a couple of his lives by the time he was done. charlie: he is constantly andhing out by phone personal conversation, whatever the means, to ask people, what do you think of this or that, what should i do? that is married with what he sees on television and how what he sees on television informs him. those are his primary means of absorbing information and intelligence. >i am asking that. >> it is true. i'm trying to process and add to what you said. what you said is correct. one of the things that was challenging for his national security briefers early on was getting him to absorb.

getting him first to the room and then the table and opening the book. he requested a change where the presentations would have lots of charts and graphs. he likes the visual piece. charlie: real estate. a> he sees -- robert cost had a great line that trump is television. there's something to that. it all flows through him. he is seeing how it will play on a medium. for him, the quickest way to absorb something is almost sort of like the sheen or residue it leaves. he prefers television and conversation. he does deserve some credit for this. is not as if he went off half cocked with syria. people can agree or disagree with what he did.

the feeling was it was untenable for whomever was president at that point. you can have a conversation about obama's syria policy, but that will not do much for the future. charlie: in this case, so many people around the world said somebody do something. >> correct. charlie: because this is a crime against humanity. >> it is funny. the president took two different positions about syrian refugees in 2015. at one point, he said in an interview with bill o'reilly on fox that it was an unbelievable humanitarian crisis and you had to let syrian refugees into the united states. he had a pretty quick reversal within days or weeks where he said i did not mean that. charlie: because he feared somebody would come in and do something terrible on our shores. he was convinced there was too much political danger in taking deposition.

in a crowded primary, you had to hang on to your base. the way to influence him, to the point about visuals, what he does respond to is if you tell him numbers, that tends not to althoughthe same way, i think anybody is moved by 400,000 deaths in the civil war. but he is moved by images. the way to move him people have said repeatedly is showing him something. the images of these refugees, particularly the young children, particularly people in the migrant crisis with children, i think he was responding to that. and then he changed. the question is, does he come back to that? charlie: a little bit of ronald reagan. >> there are similarities. there are many differences. reagan had been a governor. go ahead. charlie: yet four specific goals. he understood how to keep the focus on three things.

build up the military, reduce the debt, etc. >> he came in with a map of what he wanted to do. so did bill clinton. bill clinton was more centrist and not ideological to the way trump came in. i never had a clear sense of what trump once to do other than sticking broadly to the themes he has been speaking about for 30 years. trade or other countries ripping us off. charlie: did he come to some of these views because it was for him a route to the white house? he had been a democrat. he had been all over the political map. the right on the republican party would find that anathema. how much of this has he believed for a long time? i think china is one example. >> china is only one example of that. membersadly, that nato are not paying their fair share. i heard him talk about it.

charlie: he said about south korea yesterday. >> he did not quite say it the way he did in campaign interviews. he did have that general concept of the u.s. is everyone's policeman. i think he felt that way broadly for a long time. it is easy to make that statement. it does not mean anything unless you are explaining what your theory is and what regions in think need to be built up and whether you believe in intervention. the problem with trump is during the campaign, he has the speaking style, and this is where he gets himself into trouble, although he has been doing it less so. some of it is by design and not accident. he has this swirl around the drain speaking style where he ends up with every bit around the bowl. at any different point in the interview we did with him about foreign policy dream the

campaign, you could have come away thinking he was interventionist isolationist if you just took the quotes on their own and out of car -- context because they were contradictory. almost likeas this an id. it is not well-defined and you don't know what it means. i don't think he knows what it means other than a feeling. charlie: he seems to believe that if you just give me, put me in the room by myself with xi jinping -- >> exactly right. there is a level of hubris, which to be fair to him, president obama was accused of the same thing. this president has said something similar. it does not work that way. i was very struck this week. i mentioned before about a

quote. al would seem but now -- ban what is striking for a president in the first 100 days where he talked about how hard it was, much more work than his old job. he never does anything close to admitting folder ability or frailty. that was striking. there was an aspect to it like he is at least acknowledging that this is tougher than he believed. the question is what he does with it. i can understand why people would find it surprising for a president to say. charlie: they all say there is nothing that peers you for this job. when they get there, they will say the toughest problems rise to the oval office. everything else is settled before it gets to the president. >> he is not great at tuning out the ancillary noise. that is part of the problem. i think that is all true. the problem is other presidents, modern presidents have been much

more mindful of the impact of their words when they are in the office. he continues to seem most like this minor leaguer who got called up and is still figuring out exactly how this works. charlie: is he learning on the job? he has to if used changing positions. you assume he changes positions because of new facts and intelligence. >> i think there has been a change. i think it is subtle. i think it is sometimes two steps forward and one step back. you cannot underestimate the degree to which that tweet we talked about earlier believing trump tower was bugged, that tweet was a dangerous experience for him because the government ground to a halt for three weeks trying to reverse engineer justification for that tweet. there are other issues -- charlie: going in search of something, some semblance of justification. >> correct.

it was not exactly what he said. it was close enough because this is what people believed. this is what i meant. that disappeared because syria happened. syria happened the evening of that interview susan rice gave to andrea mitchell where she said i did not leak anything and this is not true. although she did a knowledge some unmasking, although she said this is part of the job and nothing nefarious had been done. there is a bigger debate i think is important and significant about the way in which intelligence is used. that is part of what the whole and would -- edward snowden debate has been about. that cannot be justification for obscuring an investigation into whether there was collusion between russian officials trying to influence the 2016 election and the trump campaign. to be clear, there has not been proof of anything. but that is what this was all about.

i think the president finally came to realize, just based on my reporting, i am not speculating. hem told he came to realize had bitten off more than he could chew. charlie: when did he realize that? >> right before syria. and after syria, he has been more sober. he has seemed less frustrated, less aggravated. i think he is very lonely in the white house. charlie: that is what my next question was. when his 24 hours in donald trump's lifelike? when does he go to bed? who is there around the white house? they have all gone home. does he -- his wife is not there most of the time. she is in new york. >> they speak every day. influentialy presence even in absence you. charlie: explain that.

most people don't know that. >> people confuse her disinterest in the limelight with shyness. she is not shy. she's just not interested. she has been a model. she's had a career. she has been mrs. trump. she has been in magazines. charlie: if you are beautiful, she knows your beautiful. >> she is self-assured. she is focused on raising their son. i think that is her life. what she does do is talk to him about staff moves. she does talk to him about she is seeing television coverage play out or what is appearing in newspapers or feedback from friends. she often asks him to be more careful with twitter. this has been an ongoing theme. she has even acknowledged that publicly. in terms of his day, usually starts out watching many morning -- hours of morning television. between five and six. to be clear, this is just based

on what we are told. he watches it for a while. he watches in the residence. he eventually comes down to the oval office. he comes to the oval office around 9:00, between 9:00 and 10:00 unless there is an earlier meeting. there was an effort early on to put earlier meetings on his calendar to keep them off twitter and cable. the problem is he would watch something on twitter and talk back to the television on twitter. the way you would have someone write an angry letter to a newspaper as president. in this case, it is the president. he would come down and do oval office events. his oval office is incredibly freewheeling. he has four chairs ringed around his desk like at trump tower. he did that early on. he has one picture behind him. that is his father, fred trump.

andrew jackson is somewhere. he is around. he peaks in on tv throughout the day. he generally tries to catch sean spicer's press briefings. it has become must-see tv. and then there are phone calls and meetings. usually he is done around 6:00 or 7:30. they have been trying to schedule dinners in the residence because that will eat up a fair amount of time, so he is not alone. the son-in-law and daughter are his two closest advisors but they also have three young kids so there is a limit. jared kushner is said to be there until 8:00 or 9:00 at night. trump is usually alone in the residence for a couple of hours at night. he has stopped doing the tweeting. twea --

i'm not trying to great on a curve. charlie: i have heard he is constantly on the phone. >> he is on the phone. he still has the old cellphone. see --es he will still receive a call on it. tries to use a secure line. i believes he uses the old android for tweeting basically. he still talks to a lot of old friends. be ais why you cannot ever gatekeeper for this man because you will never be able to control everything. charlie: is he curious? >> he is not an intellectually curious man in the sense he does not really read books. he does not know history particularly deeply. you constantly hear him say things like, who knew that health care could be this hard? most people knew it, certainly people who worked on it.

clinton. he is curious about a discrete set of topics and issues. charlie: maggie have been in. ♪ charlie: sheila nevins is here,

she is the ceo of hbo documentary films.

she started at 1979. since then she has overseen a revolution in television documentaries, bringing to life such projects theaxicab confessions, when levies broke, and the jinx. they have had 65 primetime emmy awards, and 26 academy awards. at her it work from cbs sunday morning. in on a documentary nevins commissioned. it is the reading of the constitution, the declaration of independence, and the bill of rights. >> is it true that year basic criterion is not boring, is that number one? >> absolutely. patron saint of

documentaries. all filmmakers go to sheila first. that is the holy grail. maybe i will marry her. >> is she really as tough as i have heard she is? >> she is honest. >> do you quake? >> you will hear from sheila or a critic area i rather hear it in the edit room. nevins has a new book out "you do not look your age and other fairytales." expose, or an obituary. it has been a while. why did you decide to write this and what is this? of slidet is a sort memoir. in other words, there are imaginary characters in it, and there is sheila in it.

i do not know, it is things they never talked about. it is hard to be a woman that is getting older, that is working. have once been pretty and to suddenly see everything disappearing. aginghard, the images of and women are so incredibly destructive to keeping it going. charlie: you wanted to write about it because things -- these were things you cared about and worried about? sheila: yes, and i was so afraid of age. i knew women that could talk about anything, affairs, kids' ailments, but not about how old they were. charlie: and meryl streep read -- you, gloria steinem think they care about it, too? or are some of them willing to age gracefully? sheila: i think every single one

of these women, maybe diane is an exception, some sort of she carries-cha with her, i think everyone of them is deeply concerned with losing what they have because they are aging. that is the facelifts, botox, what we all fall for. i have a line in the book, a "you look young and that," she could make the sale. charlie: in order to make sure that you look like you feel -- they are saying go. they are saying go because it is true. it is hard to be truthful about certain things. but i decidedfib, not to fib anymore. i am old, but i'm not stupid, senile, walking with a walker.

charlie: and the spirit you have is the same as when you walked into hbo all those years ago except you have more power and money. as much power and money, and i'm still a woman. i am much more efficient about ideas than i used to be. i is to stay up all night about one word, thinking it had to be changed, i had to change it, when was it too late or too early to call the producer? why haven't i told them before hand? now i can sleep. i do not agonize as much. beyond the, beyond death, there is a story about tourette's syndrome. sheila: i will cry. my son has tourette's. it is hard enough being a mother in the workplace, it is impossible if you have a sick child. because you are afraid, at least in my generation, i was afraid

to say i have to leave to take my son to the doctor. i was afraid to say i had to travel somewhere to find new medication. it was impossible to be a woman and a mother in the workplace because you wanted to play an equal game. going home to am take my kid to the doctor, have you ever heard a man say that in the workplace? charlie: no. sheila: my son is 37 years old, so i'm talking about the culture of 30 years ago. firstd not dare say that, of all, there were not that many men in the workplace. charlie: what makes you cry is it thed, your son, fact about you or about him? sheila: that is a good question.

maybe a little of both the fight really truthful. angry because i had to care for him so much of the time. sad because he was bullied and life was so difficult for him. did not know the pain but i felt pain. i will never know somebody else's pain, but i felt pain on his behalf. charlie: there is another story about advice to women and a male dominated workplace. it is an anonymous story that has nothing to do with me. charlie: is it in the book or not? therefore we can talk about it. sheila: you are tough. charlie: a list of rules written by a former ceo vice president. what are the rules? sheila: left the jokes that are not funny. charlie: please your bosses. sheila: say, i never thought of

that, even though you had thought of it before. never say you are taking your kid to a doctor. always say you have an appointment outside the office. never be a mother, never be a woman. be a guy. charlie: you made a point about mentors. it is a palm -- a story -- did you have a mentor? my mentor was revenge, does that sound horrible? charlie: you wanted to get revenge? against people that had denied you? sheila: one person. charlie: you spent a lifetime on getting even? no, i should experience. but i was rejected when i was in yale. yale i majored in directing

at the drama school. i was in a court at the yield loss goal and felt -- fell madly in love with a harvard law student that was there. madly, madly. i think that happens once. charlie: i would like to think it happens more than once. so i went to this young man's house and i had to meet his mother. she was a very blue blood person, i was not. i was the daughter of a postal clerk and a communist mother. she said to me clearly, aren't there any interesting jewish men for you at the law school here? and i never saw him again. and she has really been a mentor in many ways. the pain motivated me to show her i could do it. isn't that odd? the think i need a psychiatrist?

charlie: no. whatever gets you through the night. sheila: what about the day? aarlie: there is also this, couple poems about your friend larry freeman. sheila: larry, the love of my life. charlie: can i read the poem? this is per stanza. i had to know him to choose film segments of his life he was sick and in hospital i forced myself to make bedside visits this led to adoration of a gay icon who survived a liver transplant, and years of passionate living. that is your homage. sheila: i love larry. charlie: you know what he had that i loved about him? he had no fear.

sheila: none. charlie: of embarrassment. he was prepared to say, this is what i believe in and i will do anything i can. sheila: he was prepared to say, you're not doing enough. that is a great thing to be able to say. here it -- he is my hero. charlie: that is good to have a hero. sheila: he is a gay icon. i have a husband, a child, a job, and i am on your show. what more could anyone want? charlie: you have done at all. tell me about today. the explosion of hbo and original programming, and streaming and all of that, how is it different for you? or is it just better and more opportunities because there are more vehicles? sheila: i would say it is more

difficult to stand out in a crowd. there is so much product. it makes your selection of product much more specific. say, am i talking to myself? there was a time when you are the only kid on the block, the best. but when there are a lot of kids on the block, you have to play a different kind of ball. i fight harder for standout projects. charlie: the biggest test is, does it bore you? sheila: yes, i hate to be board. don't you? charlie: of course, but i want to know if it excites me. sheila: while that is the opposite of being boring. charlie: what do you miss that you do not have? sheila: that is such a deep question. what do i miss that i do not have? charlie: you had children, career, money, friends, respect,

honor. time,: time, time, more more time. charlie: you think time is slipping away? sheila: you know you're on the other side, you count backward. you see a picture of someone 102 years old, you say i do not want to be that person. time is so precious. it is a cliche that it is wasted. but i have wasted a lot of time worried about one word, one sentence. you have, too? it is horrifying. charlie: i know. sheila: it is like a metronome. you do not hear it taking. charlie: there is nobody that is good at what they do that does not agonize over it. they may limit the agony to a limited period of time and move on, another 25 hours might not

make it that much better. is everybody who cares always agonizing over, is this the right choice or not? making films is a series of choices. sheila: yes it is. charlie: this actor, that actor, this story, that story. sheila: when i was here before it is the same table and chair but we are not the same. charlie: "you do not look your age and other fairytales." ♪

condemn, thet oscar-winning director of films such as "the silence of the lambs," and "philadelphia," died of a heart attack. direct quirky, thoughtful films. withund mainstream success "the silence of the lambs," in 1991. it would become one of the top grossing pictures of the year. he followed that year two years later with philadelphia, the first big-budget holiday film to betray the aids crisis. he also was a prolific

documentary maker. carter, thejimmy haitian journalist, and the music group talking heads in the film "stop making sense." demme appeared on this program several times over the years, here's a look at some of those conversation. >> is a surprising that jonathan demme became a filmmaker? >> yes, through a series of flukes. i toured movie so much as a kid, , mymembered my first scene first encounter with a television set, i was instantly hooked. i remember seeing treasure island and going all the time. i bombed out of chemistry and ended up writing movie reviews

for the college paper. charlie: what they said about you, you cut -- kept a notebook from the first movie you saw all the way through college, every movie you had a personal review as to when you saw it, who you saw it with, what it was about, and whether you liked it or not. jonathan: and the star rating. you have been digging deep, haven't you? you get out and start making movie reviews. your father is a publicist, yes? jonathan: yes, in miami beach. charlie: and joe levine from embassy pictures comes down in your father introduces you. you show him a review of his own "zulu?" jonathan: he said if your son is a critic, tell him to bring them to the houseboat. i came with my scrapbook of clippings. "zulu,"vorably reviewed

and literally with a cigar in hand he said, you can come work for me. i went into the service for a mele, came back and he gave a job. suddenly i was working in the movie business, which was ridiculous area i cannot believe i can have a job there. charlie: you had no dream to be a director? jonathan: i loved it. and i read -- met roger corman. he said jonathan, you write these press releases, why not a motorcycle movie? i teamed up with the greatest storyteller i ever met and we showed it to roger. he said this is really good. he said joe, you direct commercials? you directed, jonathan you can produce it. off to 24 years old and california to make our motorcycle movie. charlie: one of the great

geniuses that gave you guys a chance for hands-on experience. jonathan: roger is one of the most extraordinary, amazing, great guys you could come across. charlie: what makes him that? jonathan: it is the oprah winfrey thing. he has tremendous enthusiasm and a big ego and a desire to succeed. one of the many things i love about roger, he is so quotable. he would tell new directors, you areas a director 45% artist and 55% businessman. never forget that, you have to be a businessman. people will invest in our movies and you have to repay that investment. arty part get carried away or you will be out of work area charlie: when "the

silence of the lambs" came our way, did you have a sense the movie would be what it did? erformance,hopkins' p and others, did you know? jonathan: i knew it had the potential to be a splendid movie. had written an exceptional script from a great book. tom harris is an extraordinary writer and i knew we had a great cast. imoto would work his magic. but when you're making these the one things my movies have in common, i have voice been really excited by their potential as movies and the belief that if we can make a movie that excites other people as much as a potential of it

excites me, maybe it will be contagious. sometimes people ask me, what is the common link in your movies? the only common link for me is that i love to the source material. i love to the source material because it has been beautifully written. whether that is the humor of "married to the mob," or the oran tapestry of "beloved," "philadelphia," or thomas harrison's view of america, the writing has been exceptional. when you make a movie you have to live with these things for two years, if you are a director. it is a long process and it has to continue to feed you and interest you to deliver something worthy of all that effort. charlie: you made a documentary about the talking heads? jonathan: i consider that a rock-umentary.

i made one about my cousin, a minister and big troublemaker in new york city. charlie: can you imagine not making movies? what would you do if you did not make movies? jonathan: open a bookstore, maybe even a movie theater. but i love making films. charlie: the joy is, what? jonathan: one of the joys is getting together with the whole community of extraordinarily gifted people, and pooling your together withrts a collective goal of making something extremely special for people to look at. died at jonathan demme age 73. ♪ ♪

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