♪ >> from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. than a week after the firing of james comey, the white house careened into further damage control today following reporting that is event trump comey to end an investigation into michael flynn's ties to russia. meanwhile, the president faces increasing questions about classified information he shared with russian diplomat last week in the oval office. joining me is molly ball, staff

writer of the atlantic, where she covers u.s. politics. we are pleased to welcome her back to this program. -- thisident's did president did speak today to coast guard graduates and said he's been treated worse and more unfairly than any politician in history. >> that's right, in an apparently scripted commencement event. the president complained about the way he is being treated. sourcesar and i think inside the white house's will to is this, he is angry, he lashing out, but he continues to see himself as the victim of an ,nfair process and unfair media unfair bureaucracy that he believes is out to get him even as he has more or less confirmed some of the most damning allegations against him. >> as we talk about potential shakers inside the white house. that's right.

there is so much uncertainty in the white house it's very chaotic. nobody on the staff knew this was coming and they don't know what the next shoot to drop will be. a new can of worms is open every day. damageerred to it as control, but there is no controlling the damage. it seems to be out of control. they can't even put together a consistent attempt to explain what's happening because of the fear that the president himself will simply step on that rationale in his next tweet or another damaging story maybe be coming out that completely blind-sides them. >> one notion you seem to be hearing more often these days trump mitch mcconnell, talking about less drama from the white house, is that there is this notion about unsustainability, that some are bringing up here,

this continued chaos may not be possible to maintain forever. >> there is that sense, but on the other hand, they don't know how this ends. nobody knows where this is going. it's hard to imagine all of the things that are now under investigation simply resolving themselves and going away, but it's also hard to imagine something like impeachment or resignation. neither of those seem to be in the cards. staffersking to some on the republican side of the house of representatives today, saying, does it feel like a dam has broken? does it feel like something has got to give? the person said no, that's overselling it. people are hanging on by their figure nails. i said, how does the story end? this person spent a lot of years working on the staff, he says it ends like reservoir dogs,

everybody dead on the floor. >> to start here, let's talk about james comey. he is eager to speak public. when will it happen and how soon will it happen? >> we don't know. the house and senate intelligence committees have now actualquested the documents that were referred to in the new york times story the memo that they did not physically have read other nukes -- other news organizations. they all said we want to see these documents. we want all the information. at this point, they are just requesting the documents every if they don't get everything they want, they are prepared to issue subpoenas. comey apparently wants to testify publicly. down thewhy he turned

request to testify privately. we don't know when that will happen. these contemporaneous notes that james comey took as has been discussed, it's something he's done for a long time. that there arect a good number of them out there. has been reported that comey kept detailed notes on every conversation he had with the president, in part to protect himself if there were ever questions about presidential interference. partly because of that fear of of interference, he did not share these encounters with other at the bureau, but he memorialized them in written notes. this is standard procedure throughout the fbi. these notes are considered admissible in court. this is a widespread practice to

keep recordings of conversations so they can refer to them later. there is no unified republican message right now. paul ryan said, he wants to get the facts, but people are clearly out to hurt the president during that's different than what john mccain said about scandals of watergate size proportion. say,publicans i speak to they feel there is no leader to look up to. somebody they trust to protect them politically. they are making different regulations, logical calculations, personal calculations about whether or not they trust or believe these reports, or trust and believe in the president. i would say there is definitely more skepticism of the white house in private and behind the scenes than has been voiced publicly and there is definitely

more on the senate side than in the house where there is more members who are sympathetic to the president. but even among those members in congress who are troubled by the manydent elected conduct, still feel like the best thing to do politically would be to strap in and fight. is our president, this is our team, we have to stand up for him and, believing that he still supports the vast majority of republicans, feeling that's what they have to do politically. that if anya sense republicans were standing in the sidelines to a certain extent and not getting on the record this that they may need to say more? >> they would like nothing more than to be left alone at this point, but we keep asking them.

every republican member of congress is getting a call from their local press or is being accosted in the halls of the senate by reporters wanting to know what is your stance on this? paul ryan was asked in his morning press conference this morning, does he still have confidence in the president? of the yes and ran out room. he was done with questions and looked uncomfortable. anybody who watched his level of comfort with trump during the campaign recalls this particularly pained expression on paul ryan's face. there is a lot of worry that this will come down on them. there is a lot of worry that this will have political consequences, possibly up to democrat taking the house of representatives in 2018 and being in a position to begin those impeachment proceedings. >> where does the white house want folks to focus right now?

>> they would like the image to be a president that is in control, a president that is going out there and impressing the world. he has a number of multilateral conferences on this trip, so it's a chance for him to be among other world leaders to project a sense of stature in the world. the original idea kind the foreign trip was to some degree normalized a white house that was already on shaky ground, comey firing andomey all of that stuff started happening. trump, since collected, set the world of balance in a way that some in his camp see as a good thing. it has been disruptive and in thea lot of doubts minds of our allies and enemies alike. the foreign trip was seen as a weight for him to -- a way for him on the world

stage. give assurances where they are needed. since he is visiting these places of religious significance, to make a policy about where the white house ofnds on these issues religious freedoms and religious tolerance. >> there was the kissinger meeting that was the same day as the russian diplomats. much has been discussed about that, about what proration that was for the president. -- it's anpparently unfathomable weird coincidence that henry kissinger was at the white house the same date the president had the meeting with the russians that has now come under such scrutiny. this appears to be part of his crash course in international relations. he is attempting to educate himself.

you'll hear from his friends that he is not a man with a large attention span and a man who fancies himself more about the big picture than a lot of minute details. so he can be a difficult percent to brief, but he was attempting to get up to speed on stuff. he had really only seen through his lens as an international is is meant. of othersand a number were coming to the white house and giving him advice. >> molly, thank you so much. >> they do. -- thank you. ♪

>> gisele bunch and is a supermodel, model -- mother of two, and wife of tom brady. she is an environmental activist and advocate. she teamed up with paul hawkins about a new book he's edited down". these are two people driven by deep concern for the health of our finest and failing optimism that together, things can change. charlie spoke with them earlier this month to make here is that conversation. the 36-year-old

mother of two and wife of nfl quarterback, tom brady is now pursuing her passion for advocating for the environment and her business career. she has teamed up with all hawkins. the book is drawdown. here is the book, the most comprehensive plant ever proposed to reverse global warming. edited you. -- edited by you. we don't know. but the point we try to make in that book is that nobody is aiming for it. most, if not all of the climate rhetoric is about reduction, mitigation, even stopping and stabilization than it is about reversal. this is about reversal. charlie: you have 100 ways to do that? >> we have come up with the most

substantive solutions. it has never been done before. we've done the math on what is going to happen if we don't attempt to -- attend to the rise of greenhouse gases. and done theed math on these solutions. people know you as someone who loves the planet and cares about the planet. how did you come together with paul? meethad the pleasure to paul. we were in a group of friends that all felt that we have a responsibility and use our gift to do our part. paul came to one of those meetings. listen, paul is going to make a conversation about drawdown.

he spoke to us for about two hours and when he was finished, like io inspired, i felt received a boost of energy. about, we are doomed, it he and of the world, years of living dangerously, a documentary about the climate. people are focusing on the negativity aspect of things. fear paralyzes people. thatnot something instigates people to move forward and instigate change. when we are inspired, we can create something. charlie: this book inspired you to have goals? >> yes. people are focusing on the solution instead of the problem. how are we going to change things? being aware is how we

are going to solve them. that's where we need to put our energy to. if we are focusing on the problem, then the problem grows. if you focus on the solution, the solution grows. i like to focus on the solution. solution,offers the he tells us the studies that has been done in his book, i say, how can i help? that's why i'm here. charlie: you were impressed by the book and wanted to share your enthusiasm. >> i think knowledge is power and the information needs to get out. the more people that have access, hopefully they can be as canired as i am and there be wonderful, tangible solutions and we can really do this thing. we can make this happen. i wanted people to feel inspired and focus on the real solutions because i love life.

our planet, it's the only home we had. i want to make sure it's here for a long time. charlie: how did you come to that? >> we are nature, not separate from nature. i believe we are spiritual beings having a human experience. planet earth is a spaceship. let's put it that way. we are a blue dot in space. there are billions of other star systems and planets, we don't know what life is out there, but we do know that we are on this planet and we are all in this together. life is fragile in this way. all the different beings that inhabit this planet, every animal and plant and organism is necessary to keep this spaceship floating the way it is and keep us alive. charlie: if everyone who read this book has this same fervor

-- >> what has happened is, in the first week, it went to number nine in the new york times best seller list. no book on climate change has done that in 25 years. it did not do that through of the city. it did it because people look at the book and people bought the book and even evangelize. that's something we've noticed. charlie: the reason is because this book offers something different? or they are waiting to hear something optimistic, that it's not too late? >> it's what gisele is talking about. we have been inundated with gloom and stress and fear. this has been restated and overstated. charlie: but there is a reason to have fear. >> absolutely. but once you have the problem

statement, and we have very good ones, what do we do? respondingpeople are to it is because for one, there is scientific, grounded, corroborated, peer-reviewed lists. charlie: give me the five most important solutions you see. >> we don't see it. the art to 40 people collaborating. is not a priority. is fromhe data international institutions. we gathered this data. we reflected it back to the world. the top five are there and i would be happy to talk about them, but it's not what i see, it's what we know as a world. industries, u.n.,

scientists. it's reflecting it back to humanity. charlie: is this becoming a crucial part of your life? arehis something you becoming more and more an advocate to do something? >> 100%. when? me, then who and -- i believe that we are spiritual beings having a human experience. if we look beyond our human experience, we are having an experience. we get to have relationships and experience all the emotions that we get to experience, live on this amazing planet. , i want to use the tools i've been given because we

are always learning. we will be learning until we take our last breath. i think the more i learn and share what i learn, i have a platform. it's my responsibility, i feel. it's my responsibility as a citizen as a human being, and i want to make information -- knowledge is power. the more people have access to information, the more people can make their own decisions. i think everybody has do their own work because we are all here even though we are relating to each other, we each have our own process. -- we are having our own lessons. charlie: paul, how do you define yourself? >> i'm always learning and my father taught at the university

of california. andame out of the war soldiers that came out of the war really knew what they wanted to do when they went to school. they were focused. i grew up around the university and education begins when you leave school. writing bookss of and being an author is that you are learning. like what gisele was saying. to write a book, and you read about 500 pages for every page you write, so you absorb all this information and translate it to a way that makes sense. me, it's always been a baseline. yearse: it's been 10 since an inconvenient truth, the al gore film. why haven't we done more? >> because the science is

impeccable from intergovernmental power and climate change. there are many data points that -- it's the most significant scientific achievement that we have ever achieved or undertaken. however, the communication of the science to the greater populace has been miserable. threat,een focused on gloom, and the idea that if we get people to act if we scare the p out of them, actually doesn't work at all. then you shame people and make them feel guilty about what they are doing and not doing. indifference,ss, and you get people saying -- charlie: even you said, if you don't do something about 2050, we are in a very bad place. >> it says the most conference

of plan ever proposed. first of all, it's the first plan that's ever been proposed to reverse global warming. there has been no plan up until now. second, we did not make the plan, we found the plan. every solution is failing. practical. we know how to do it. we know the cost. we know the profits and losses on doing them. we make a profit in a monetary sense. harlie: you ask a series of questions. >> we did the economics. that is based on data, pay walls, bloomberg, everything. all the economic data we can get, and we looked at the cost and what the net savings would be over 30 years. net savings the

over 30 years is between $15 trillion and $17 trillion. wind.e: it's solar, it's >> let's go back. is actually not in the top five solutions, but wind is. the number one solution is manage our refrigerators. powerful orost impactful solution is on short winds. the third most is to reduce food waste. these numbers were such a surprise. we were shocked. we did not have a horse in the race. we wanted to know how it would work out. charlie: what is your role in this? >> i wanted to use whatever ability i have to bring

attention to these things i feel are important and paul's work. i feel this is the kind of information that the world needs. those kinds of solutions. we need to implement them however we can. and how can we do that if we don't know about it? i am part of the advisory board, but i am learning so much from paul. as i'm learning, i went to share what i learned and this is why i'm here. charlie: beef production in brazil is a responsibility for deforestation in brazil. >> yes, it does. in my home, we have a plant-based diet. charlie: why is that? >> we feel better and it's better for our health. everything we put in our body has an affect on us. husband says,our

unless i have this plant-based diet am a i would not be the player i am. and i would not have the career i do. >> he's only 40, right? [laughter] >> he has been feeling so much better, i have to say. it's amazing the way he feels. he has so much more energy. he's very conscious. we had these in our house. digit influence how your house and husband feel about land-based diet and other things does that come from gisele? >> yes, but they love me. so he has his career, to thank you? >> he still has to want to do it. that option to

him, but he still has to eat it. and he loves it. in the beginning, he never -- we were experimenting, so i was giving him raw foods because i like to eat that way sometimes and i like to eat seasonal in local farms, whatever is close to me. it's about eating locally and seasonally. that, hee started with in the beginning, it was a little different for him. now he loves it and wouldn't have it any other way because it feels better. it makes me so proud that my kids can go in the garden and take a cucumber and start eating it. it makes me so happy because i grew up that way. i grew up in a village in the south of brazil. we go to the supermarket, there were no fruits to buy in the super knocker -- supermarket.

the earth gives us this amazing richness. that's what i am saying. we have everything to thank her for. we should honor her and respect her because she is giving life to us. of course, that's very truthful to who i am. it's natural that i introduced that to my family. i want to teach my kids how to do that. i remember being a kid and climbing a tree and putting in my t-shirt all the fruits and it it at the bottom of the tree. then i would go to my neighbors house if i didn't have the fruit . it was amazing. that, my kids to have even if tom didn't grow up that way, i wanted -- i want him to have that now. charlie: he has given a lot of credit to his diet. >> it's because he feels different. likeu don't eat like that,

if you're traveling, you eat differently. i feel a huge difference. it's amazing. instantaneous. something doesn't agree with me. wonderful, he's been very supportive and the whole family eats that way. me feel good because not only we feel great and healthy and strong, but we also feel a plant based diet addresses the problem that we are facing in the world because if people keep a plant-based diet, we wouldn't have to to have -- we wouldn't have the food waste situation. your point, a plant based diet is the number for a solution to global warming. butoesn't mean don't eat, it means a reduction of protein overall to a healthy level. the solution would be reducing

the westin content in and increasing it in countries that are impoverished to the normal healthy level, 50 grams. caloric content of 500 calories. even then, it is the number four solution. it doesn't mean all plants. vegetarian,to be a find, you can do that too. but it means getting in balance. ♪

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trump administration is doing on this front. >> what it's trying to do is make you rollback everything you can. it's cutting off science, from epa to nasa. cutting the budget, it has not succeeded so far. it took down the climate change page the day of the climate march. it's trying to roll back the powerplant under obama, which is curious because it never got implemented. so they can roll it back. now he has ordered a review, which will take a year, then it will go back into court for two years. so it's a stalemate. what they are trying to do is like the fossil fuel industry. it's a last gasp.

a way to get their people into positions of power. it's actually a futile. fossil fuels are dead, whether it's 10 years or 15 years, they are not dead because of all deadm, but they are because of costs. pure and simple. they are too expensive and wind now is the cheapest new form of electrical generation. at two cents.g in you haveknowing that, to be concerned about national policy with the epa is doing or not doing. support for the paris agreements. right? , i am an that optimist, so i believe that there is a reason for everything to be happening. all of this noise is doing is

bringing more all -- awareness. laid-back about these things before and now people are feeling they have to take things into their own hands . i have to get educated, i have to learn. theink in some ways, situation we are living has really dropped people more into am -- i havek, i to do something here. i can't just sit back and relax on my couch and think everything is going to be resolved. charlie: you can't wait for government action. >> i really feel that. i feel people are becoming more interested to read -- more interested. charlie: you just look at the numbers. it was the warmest year in history. >> that's right.

three warmest years in a row. at the same time, we have to understand that the federal government is not the agent of change. they can try to escape with rhetoric, but the congress will never support any of these protocols around climate change ,ecause of gerrymandering lobbying, etc.. the u.s. government has never been a leader in this field. the fact that we have somebody that's ignorant about this doesn't change a whole lot. ,he rhetoric is divisive astonishing in terms of scientific ignorance, but it doesn't have a big impact. these come from the public sector, from business. i don't know one business, one corporation, i look work with go, therens, that

government plans have not changed one iota. they see the future loud and clear. charlie: for example, walmart and google, have pledged to reduce their carbon footprint and use renewable energy. and walmart announced that they were going to do one in theirons of carbon supply chain. i wrote that speech that declared what the goals for 10 years ago for lee scott. i know their goals are a wealth. zero waste. completely sustainable supply chain. the are working step by step. this has not had a big effect accept the car companies, who made an agreement to raise their

mileage standards. germanish government and government have done extraordinary things to excel renewable energy and progress around climate in those countries. you don't have it here. we've never had it. charlie: what? >> the meshing of these different branches and climate change. cities, the mayors have been extraordinary. mayors and city's are these sort entities, doing extraordinary things in the united states. you get congress and go, whatever. seattle? 2035, 100% renewable energy? charlie: don't you think if you disagree with government policy, you should try to change it? >> we are all learning, right?

that's the process of it. what we do is bring forth the information. all we can do is bring forth the information and lead that what we believe. have a plant-based diet and have had it for 10 years. at least. likes havingone the information and deciding if that information works for them or not. but i'm telling you about the plant based diet. when you start eating that way and feel better, you don't want to go back and eat another way because you feel different. good? in't want to feel want to feel great. charlie: or have your performance be as good as it could possibly be. >> you want to perform for you the best it can. said youyour husband wanted him to retire.

he said that, not me. he said he wanted to play as long as he felt good. >> i just have to say, as a not the you know, it's most aggressive sport. he does have concussions. i think not a healthy thing for your body to go through that kind of aggression all the time. that cannot be healthy for you. if you do it for a long. period of time, you could not do that until your 100 or so. i will always support him. i told him, in my dreams, i would like for him to maybe not ymore for as long an because i want him to be healthy forever.

for our kids. i think any person who feels that way, it's not like he is playing tennis. it's football. it's a contact sport. but he knows i will always support him and i want him to be happy and if it makes him happy, i will always support him like i always have. i want him to be happy and fulfilled. charlie: you've changed him and he's changed you? relationships is where we do most of ever-growing. they see all of us. all the sides of us. we have in growing and learning a lot from each other. it's a wonderful walk in life with a partner who you can always grow and learn from. it's wonderful. byrlie: are you more excited life today than you have ever been? >> i am always excited by light.

it's such a gift. i meditate. at 3:30,eat normal, that's a little earlier than i like to wake up, but i like to wake up early because i am live in such a present moment. i notice everything. rising.atching the sun sun gazing timmy, waking up when quiet, being grateful that i have this clean water to drink. i went to the largest slum in africa. people don't have clean water. every time i have clean water i say thank you. it's heaven. i have warm water with lemon, everything is silent, i can

meditate and have time for myself or it gratitude is the attitude because when you have that, everything in your life becomes a blessing. everything. food, i love my food. i have food. do you know how many people don't have food? we take these things for granted because we live in a country that we open a tap and water comes out for us to brush our teeth. there are a lot of places that don't have that. so i don't take anything for granted because everything is a gift. i live my life in that way and the older i get, i want to raise them that way and see what a ift everything is because feel like life is more joyful that way. i think when you have this attitude that everything just ares out, it feels like you grading on that energy. charlie: energy is a word you

use often. >> because everything is energy. more amazing energy than nature. nature is healing. day, go a stressful walk in the park and take off your shoes. charlie: feel the grass. >> feel the grass. you just hear the birds and you are there. nature is so powerful, it's healing. i am literally in all of nature. re. talk about the most intelligent organism on earth, its nature. how do you impart the sense of understanding to change your lifestyle? health, performance, at the same time, to contribute to the planet? how

do you engender the kind of enthusiasm that she represents? i think people know one side of giselle, but they don't know this side. this site is who she is. at the deepest core of her being. ,his is the real giselle bunsen the one she knows, her husband knows. who she is and what she stands for. it goes back to her earliest upbringing. this is not something new. it's not something added on, this is who she is. she will be one of the most dominant spokespersons in the world for exactly that. how do you imagine a life that

is integrated so that everything for who youtually love, those you serve, those you don't know? and the planet itself. it's all the same thing. i just wanted to acknowledge that. how do i do it? i do at the same way, which is to try to learn, take care of my body in the same way, eating a plant based diet since i was 20 years old. i had asthma until i was 20 and i changed my diet and it went away. i was actually mad because i like to junk food. i went back to natural foods, -- beer anders, hamburgers, i came back and realized it's healthier for myself, the environment. it doesn't just change your

body, environment, birds, water. i remember going to louisiana and seeing dead pelicans near my organic rice farm. the farmer said, why are they dead? they are eating the rice seeds covered in mercury. charlie: do we need a political discussion in this country about all of this? >> politics depends on>> free flow for everybody. from debates all the way down to the internet, there are few exceptions. that a copy of chaos of information, people go to protecting themselves and they go to superstition. they go to fear. then--vote out of fear, charlie: the argument people make about global warming, they

debate about how much is contributed by human beings. in terms of what they put into the atmosphere. >> they do that because they don't pay attention to the signs. it's been well known since 1896. i will ask everybody to raise their hand if they don't believe in global warming. nobody raises their hand. i say, it's ok. still nobody does. that was a trick question. you all should have raised your hand, because it's not a belief system. it's fact-based. they believe the climatic stability is going to persist. charlie: that debate should be over because of what science says. >> is not because of what science says, it's what science is.

science is fact-based, evidence-based. points.ion data you can debate whether the impact is going to be this way on the oceans or that way, thus it's a complex system, but the science and mechanism of global warning is about physics and biochemistry on earth and nobody is debating that whatsoever. what they are debating is the rate of change and so forth. told there isare that something bad is going to happen to you in the next 20 years. willill say well, maybe i -- that's what we are talking about. a small number of people say, i don't think so. charlie: look at what's happening in terms of government

policy? >> this is not a no regret solution. about thehey talk necessity of private solutions. when we talk about this book, it was the first time you read things that gave you a sense of what? >> it just inspired me. when i heard paul presenting the book to us, i felt inspired. i thought, that's it. that's where we should focus our energy on. energy and solutions. to speed up the process, but the truth is, companies and corporations already know about this and they are going to have to do it because if they don't have water to plant food and we don't have water because of the drought, and it doesn't rain as much, it will be a fundamental problem for their business. they won't be able to produce. charlie: you are absolutely

right. it became a necessity because of the bottom line. there is only a certain amount of natural resources on earth. , these peoplethem that have these companies understand that we need these natural resources to produce our product. thesedon't take care of resources, we will no longer be able to produce products. thosere going to continue policies of reducing emissions so they can continue to have the abundance of natural resources. otherwise there will be out of business. i think that's not going to change because you can't create more rivers or make more soil. it's what we had. look at syria. the reason why people migrated is because the water finished. look what happened to rid their

-- a lot of different things our health depends on the health of the planet. we are nature, nature is us. the sooner we can all be aware of that, i think the better it will be for all of us. would you put the super bowl victory in the great things that happened to your 2017? in -- it was a wonderful charlie: emotional? >> very emotional. i saw that victory as something much bigger than just a victory. an amazingt was message there. it's notge was that over until it's over and as long

as we are here breathing and we have dedication and focus, we are on the game and we can win the game. i feel like it was so inspiring. that for me was more important than anything. obviously, i was happy for my husband is he works so hard and is so dedicated and focused. he gives his all. of it as a bigger message for the world. for all the people who think when they are losing, give up. never give up. there is a way. as long as we have focus and dedication and clarity of purpose, you are going to make it happen. charlie: thank you for coming. great to see you. thank you, paul. >> thank you. ♪

♪ >> renewed optimism about the u.s. economy helped stocks recover from the worst selloff in the year so far. the dollar is also strengthening. yvonne: no, no, next question. trump tries to deny the russian inquiry, calling the whole thing a witchhunt. wall street breathes a sigh of relief. secretary mnuchin says there are no plans to break up a retail or investment operations. yvonne: