announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: we begin this evening with terrorism overseas. deadly suicide bombing at manchester arena monday night left 22 dead and more than 50 injured. in the deadliest terrorist attack in britain since 2005, when explosives on london's transit system killed 52. isis has claimed responsibility for the attack which took place rande concert. police identified the bomber as 22-year-old salman abedi, a british citizen. president trump condemned the attack tuesday calling the perpetrators "losers."

here is the report for cbs. scott: the prime minister raised the terror threat level in britain to critical. that means another attack is considered imminent. soldiers are being deployed. a makeshift memorial has grown for victims of the suicide bombing last night at the manchester arena. at least 22 were killed and 59 wounded. an unknown number of others are still unaccounted for. relatives are pleading for help in locating them. this attack was different -- the targets included many young children and teenagers attending the concert. just 8he dead, russo years old. her principles that should be were remember for her kindness and creative flare. georgianna was 18, a college student and a huge fan of ariana grande. john atkinson was 26, a dancer. his dance company described him

as an amazingly happy, gentle person. the sun posted a photo of the man who took their lives. and mark phillips has the latest now on how it happened. ♪ mark: it was an attack not on a crowd of concertgoers but on innocence itself. first, a thud. then confusion. >> oh, my god. mark: then panic. the audience for ariana female and ofen elementary school age. this was a deliberate targeting of children, an arena for sinful parties, isis called it. >> we're in the arena. we heard a bang. we had to run fro me life. >> a big bang, smelled smoke

and everyone was screaming and crying. to thehe bomber had come concert from a manchester neighborhood of few miles away where police were searching today. way intoam blew its the home of a 22-year-old local man was known, who had died in the murderous blast he set off. ian hopkins. >> i can confirm the man suspected of carrying out last night's atrocity is 22-year-old salman abedi. he has not yet been formally named by the coroner. i would not wish to, therefore, comment any further about him. mark: a major anti-terror investigation is trying to determine whether salman abedi had acted alone, as police first said, or whether he had help in planning his attack and building his mom. -- bomb. this attack was another example of homegrown terror.

police made a least one arrest today of a 23-year-old man th ey said was a connection with the bombing. the bo hadmb been packed with nuts and bolts and nails. it even left those concertgoers who survived , ties. >> you would not think something like this would happen to. you. it is so unreal -- it is. still trying to get in contact with everybody. mark: manchester, a proud working-class town now joins london and berlin and nice and brussels and madrid and all of the other places where innocents have died. charlie: joining me is caroline hyde of bloomberg television. the former new york city police commissioner. us what is the

latest that we know about the investigation about the circumstances that happened there. caroline: breaking news of 24 hours, the worst terrorist atrocity to hit this country in a decade. we've seen the british prime minister take a stand and move the terror threat in the united kingdom to a status from severe to critical thing to the public they are worried another attack could be imminent. we understand a manchester, which is one of the largest cities in the united kingdom, half a million people living there, that they have and having much police activity throughout the day. there have been raids to try and find whether this was a lone ranger, an individual who was a suicide bomber, or whether there were a cop was his. -- accomplices. one young male has also been arrested today. so, much activity, but as we move from a severe to critical threat element in the u.k., we

are going to see many more military on the ground for protection of sporting events like at the football or soccer at wembley arena. big activities in a rugby match being played. charlie: what we know about the suspect that died? caroline: yes, indeed, it was a suicide bomb. and potentially looks as though it could have been a self-madeit nail device. we know he was british-born and british bred. he did come from libby and origin. it looks as though his parents where refugees from libya. but he was born and bred in manchester, which is the city and the north of england and known for its ethnic diversity, the melting pot it is in terms of ethnicities. more than 150 languages spoken in this one city alone. we know that the islamic state has taken to saying this indeed was them.

and, therefore, we wonder if there has been some sort of indoctrination that has gone on. his name was salman abedi. he was 22 years old. charlie: thank you for joining us. what questions would you be asked tonight of your officers over there who when there is this kind of incident, officers from the nypd go there to get as much information as possible? have been very welcomed. they are right in the command center. we want as much information as possible. i would like to know a lot more .bout this salman abedi the fact that the terror level has been raised to critical, the highest level, might indicate this individual was not in fact a lone wolf but tied to a group. and that they anticipate his death triggering more attacks. don't know that, but it's interesting that it was raised

today, based on what appears to be a lone wolf activity from 3000 miles away. charlie: how does society protect itself from these kinds of attacks? with great difficulty. mr. kelly: intelligence is the key. 16 plots in the obama administration. somewhere -- some were foiled. some were from the nsa and some from the informant spirit we have to drill down and get intelligence as much as possible. it has become much more difficult. using apps that encrypt messages. that sort of thing. they have upped their game. these lone wolf have up their game in terms of what they can learn from the incident. it's gotten its increasingly difficult to identify individuals. charlie: and you can go to the internet and learn how to make

some of these bombs. mr. kelly: you can go to the internet and find out how to a series of-- and other things. i did that today. went to a website. it showed the five bomb iterations that can be made very easily. it is not a question of learning how to do it. it's laid out for you in black youwhite charlie: but do sense now that isis, because of losing some ground, losing the caliphate, using this as its target of opportunity? have congregations of people. mr. kelly: last week they put out a 44 minute victordeo that does exactly that. because they are apparently about to lose mosul, they're getting desperate. they want to still have a presence, still be able to impact the world. so, that is what the video was all about.

unfortunately, i think it worked. we are going to see more of this sort of thing, as they lose raqa is attacked. charlie: when a terrorist organization takes credit, are they responsible? do they take credit for things they don't do, a significant part of time or they did it? mr. kelly: if they take credit, they do. isis in particular has a certain credibility. when they say they have done something or inspired it now. they claim they are inspiring these kinds of events. charlie: so because they are not known necessarily or do not have contact -- mr. kelly: this is what the message is. go forth and do whatever you can. aldeni was the spokesperson for isis till he was killed by drone.

kill the british and the french -- run them over with your car. that message goes out thousands of thousands of times a day on the internet. that is what some people will respond to. that is what they are claiming credit for. they are bringing forth that message. charlie: we saw the british prime minister in a very eloquent statement, and as you suggested, calling on the british spirit in condemning this. part of the condemnation in this particular case is, seems like it was so brutal in terms of killing children. they knew exactly where people would be streaming out of this concert which had a lot of young, teenage and even younger fans. at the exit there. what -- caroline: exactly right. charlie: speak more to that. caroline: i think that is what struck so much in the heart of aboutbriton that is heard

this in every european, every american, everyone around the world. a quarter of those who seem to have been injured were under the age of 16. ariana grande is known for her youthful following and fan base. it was largely teenagers, children and their parents that were attending this event. the fact that it occurred just oons were being lifted off in the arena. you can see the juxtaposition of such happiness and entertainment. and then such terror as they run for the door and parents being separated from their children. and then the concern and the lack of knowledge of where these children have gone. many being separated from their families. that has struck very much at the root of the u.k. this comes at an unnerving time, not only as we build towards a general election, but notably it comes a couple months after an attack on westminster itself. many of question now being raised as to why the terrorist

threat was not race sooner after that attack that was a lone ranger driving in his van into the houses of parliament and killing many. charlie: what we know about the bomb itself? sometimes it can be in identifying mark. caroline: this is where some of the reports become hazy. as we understand, their reports on the ground that those -- in the promotion, that there were nails, pieces of shrapnel which made many, therefore, state this would be a nail bomb and, therefore, a device that was used by this individual. potentially learned how to make this off the internet. there have been clamps down in the u.k. of parts and provisions to make these devices but it looks as though they still can be made. the fact that we have 22 people killed shows the difficulty and the pain this element can inflict. charlie: inducing to note that ariana grande, american

entertainer atnd at the bataclan in france, the eagles of death, another american group. hopefully will be sorted out. charlie: this country has not been immune from these kinds of things. a whole range of different kinds of things but we have not had that kind of attack. we had the attack in orlando that seems to be from a different kind of source. done, and what should we expect? mr. kelly: i think we do a pretty good job here. there is a lot of coordination. in europe, people admit that the coordination challenges, the information flowing from country to country is not the way it should. we had our moments. last september we had a bomb go off in new york city on 20 thirds. he was not on anyone's radar

screen. we were very lucky. sometimes -- ineptness plays a role. since 9/11, this country has done a pretty good job of protecting itself. not perfect. that i think we have to basically do more of the same. it takes a lot of resources to do it. charlie: the man who perpetrated this crime, this awful crime, was known to police. how much did they know and what did they know? caroline: well, it seems as though there is still many an investigation going into this as to what they know about him. they know where he was brought up. it seems as though some of the reports have come from the united states. citingkground was -- u.s. sources. been understood about the background but to be able to raise the severity of the concerns in the u.k. to critical, as you were discussing

earlier, means perhaps this is something he did not work alone on. perhaps there are compasses. -- accomplices. happening many raids within manchester, the city and the u.k. and some arrests being made on the back of that. charlie: caroline, think you so much for joining us. great to see you. we will be right back. stay with us. ♪

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ongoing congressional probe of, john brennan testified before the house intelligence committee. he said he had come across intelligence that revealed contact and interaction between russian officials and u.s. persons involved in the trump campaign. he described russian efrin's to influence the election in trump's favor but could not confirm whether the campaign knowingly colluded with the kremlin. repeatedlyrump has denied any ties between his campaign and russian officials. post" reportedn that president trump asked some to publicly deny any evidence of collusion. joining me from washington, adam schiff, the ranking democrat on the house intelligence committee. i'm pleased to have a back on this program. congressman, thank you for joining us. this is been a day of a lot of news, including the president being in israel and including the fact we had this awful tragedy in manchester. let me begin and come back

because when the president comes back, this will once again be at the top of the news. what did we learn today from john brennan? congressman schiff: we learned that he was concerned enough sawt the contact he between russian officials and those associated with the campaign that he forwarded the information to the fbi for a counterintelligence investigation. we talked about how alarm bells went off for him. and it was not just that there were contacts. there were contacts between russians and americans all the time but those happening with the presidential campaign and at a time where he knew the russians were engaged in a brazen effort to influence our election is really i think what concerned him so much. he wasn't able to tell us really anything about what the fbi investigation led to thereafter. he could not talk about when whatfollowed these leads, evidence they may have uncovered part he did talk about the concerns he had very early on about those contacts.

he also talked, and i thought this was notable, in reference to that white house meeting that the president had with the russian ambassador and foreign minister. that, yes, there are times that we share intelligence with other countries, classified intelligence but it is never done and prompted. -- impromptu. it is done through classified channels. that is the protocol. you need to protect sources. he says if that was not done here and that if this was a's birth the moment statement by the president, that is a real problem because it could dry up sources it of information. considering that the issue here sis threat to our aviation -- that is what has been reported -- any compromising sources going for that threat is very serious, indeed. charlie: john brennan talked about a visit he made after learning about what he feared about russia's efforts to affect our elections, that he talked to the head of i think the fsb, the successor to the kgb in russia.

congressman schiff: yes. he talked to him about the harassment of u.s. personnel but also about this engagement in our elections, this interference. and it was notable to me that one of the things that he reportedly had said was that this would backfire. americans would never stand for this. sadly, that wasn't completely what followsms of thereafter. you did have one of the presidential candidates, donald thep, publicly egging on russians, russians, hack hillary clinton females. notwithstanding-- hack hillary clinton's emails. notwithstanding, you had a presidential candidate with a different message saying we openly invite you to hack into our election process. charlie: was your committee interested in having general michael flynn come? congressman schiff: oh, yes.

we have invited him. we have requested documents. he has turned on those requests. we are in the midst of having our own deliberations about how they willfully pursue them. and what compulsory process is necessary to get that information. charlie: there is also the question of whether president trump asked dan coats, the director of national intelligence and the nsa to public we say there was no evidence of collusion. what can you tell us about that? congressman schiff: we saw today director coats unwilling to answer that question. i think we need to bring him in in classified session and see if we can get an answer from him and from director rogers. it is a very important issue. it goes to any effort to interfere in the investigation, that is serious. if it was an effort to politicize the intelligence agencies by getting them out there to push back on a narrative that the white house was afraid of or did not like, that is a different problem but

nonetheless another very serious problem. so, ultimately, we are going to have to get to the bottom of this, just as we have to get to the bottom of those allegations the president him properly urged comey to drop the fllyn investigation. investigation. we need to find out if there were memos and obtain those and with coats and rogers if they staffs moralized these conversations with the president, we need to get that information. charlie: the house and senate intelligence committees, there is the committee that, independent counsel, robert mueller, his own investigation. how do they cooperate? congressman schiff: this is a very important point. not only that we do need to cooperate and we need to have a good channel and mechanism to do that. michael flynn is a perfect illustration. before we would ever entertain a request for immunity like the one he has made, we'd want to talk with bob mueller and find

out what your prosecutorial equities? what would we sacrifice if we went for it with any immunity? these guys a communications have to go on. but the broader point on this is very important for people understand, too, who are asking with a special counsel, what is the relationship of the congressional probes? are they less important now? these are two very different jobs. decide does the evidence lead to the bringing of charges against people that have violated u.s. law. if he does not make that decision, if in other words, if he makes a decision not to bring charges, he may not be able to say anything about what he found and whether he found evidence that did not rise to proof beyond a reasonable doubt. or even if he brings charges that he found evidence on certain people but he is not able to comment on others. part of the job of congress is to find out the full picture of what the russians did. yes, whether they had u.s. personnel involved but also what you say made of their media

platform, whether there were other efforts to either blackmail or compromise u.s. persons in the campaign. and ultimately to make that public. so that the public not only is kept along to open hearings like the one we had today during the course of the investigation, but importantly, when the investigation is over so the country understands just what took place and we can protect ourselves in the future. charlie: what do you make of the fact that, as a newspaper editor said to me on cbs this, that most of the president's pushback has been to the russian probe? what does that say to you? congressman schiff: well, obviously, this is something that deeply concerns the president, that he is using every opportunity to try to bat down,. this is something he wants to call a witchhunt, a fake news story. know, it does beg the question why this focus by the

president on trying to diminish the significance of something that, even in the most general level, there is universal acceptance of, and that is the fact of russian involvement in hacking our election. he is still suggesting it could been china. that does beg a lot of questions. why he is he the last person in the country that can accept -- this was a russian campaign directed at our elections. i'm not sure i can explain it, but it certainly does raise some pretty profound questions. charlie: a couple points. number one, has he deny the fact that russia may have influenced the election or has he said, yes they may have tried to do a bit other countries have tried to do it as well? congressman schiff: well, you know, like many of the things the president says and does, it is a bit scatter shot. he has both said this is a witchhunt, this is fake news. at times he is said, ok, i think it still could've been the chinese.

he's all over the map. i think at the root of it is two things. at the root of it is the idea this asoculviews diminishing his electoral college success. he keeps coming back to how he won the electoral college and it is so hard for republicans -- even though the republicans seem to win the electoral college as much as democrats -- more than that, there is a bedrock of concern about the russian investigation that led him to fire director comey to take that yearwith someone had a tenur10 term of office. the more pressing question for us, is there more to the reason why the president is opposing this investigation and trying to diminish and downplay this investigation? we n eed to simply follow the facts wherever they lead. charlie: have you seen any evidence that anybody from the russian team, i'm sorry, anyone from the trump election team or transition team, colluded with

the russians? have you seen any evidence of that in terms of what you have witnessed? congressman schiff: you know, i have said yes. i still maintain that there is evidence of collusion. but i want people to understand, beginning ofvery an investigation. and we need to follow the evidence wherever it leads. i am not prepared to make any conclusions about the strength of the evidence. once we conclude our investigation. but there was a good basis for the fbi to begin its investigation. i think there is a good basis for the fbi to continue its investigation. there was a good basis for the appointment of bob mueller. i do not think that any of these steps take place because this is a suspicion, or someone's hunch. i think we are doing the responsible thing, which is a throw investigation. charlie: but is it circumstantial evidence? congressman schiff: from my point of view, it is not purely circumstantial.

i do not want to go into the specifics of the evidence we have been presented. one of the challenges we have is not all of us have seen the same evidence. there was the gang of 8 that had one level of briefing. those in the intelligence committee get a different level of briefing. those in the judiciary committee, that shelled -- in the white house and lindsey rankinghairs and member, they get a different level of evidence. part of the reason why different members see the evidence in different ways. charlie: you can confirm that the fbi is a person of interest the white house? congressman schiff: no, i cannot make any comment on who the fbi may be looking at. charlie: thank you for coming. congressman schiff: it is my pleasure. charlie: we will be right back. stay with us. ♪ these days families want to be connected 24/7.

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charlie: stephen starr is the owner of more than 30 restaurants across four states and two countries. earlier this month he took home the james beard award. "the new york times" says each of his restaurant has its own style. comfort food and italian places and even an english gastric pub that has knotting hill written all over it.

none bear the stamp of a corporate entity. i'm pleased to have stephen starr at this table for the first time. welcome. congratulations -- i have eaten in your restaurants. in philadelphia and here. but you have been called the accidental restauranteur. in part because you did not set out. you and i have some -- mother's son who loves cooking and wanted to create your own restaurant. you were an entertainer, who was an impresario so to speak. >> my goal in life since i was 12, was to produce movies. as a little kid, i wanted to be a disc jockey. on the radio. charlie: how long did that last? >> i wanted to do that since i was 10. 6 and do it when i was 17 17. i was a concert promoter for most of my adult life, doing big

shows. my dream was always to produce movies. charlie: but you and it up and restaurants. >> ended up in restaurants accidentally. i sold my concert business in 1993. did not know what to do. that was in philadelphia, yes. didn't really know anything else other than that. i knoew how to maybe produce events. i just wonder what i could do and i said there's a void in philadelphia. it is not very exciting, i'm kind of bored. i want to open something i would enjoy. i started researching and came up with the first restaurant. charlie: and that was -- what was that? >> the martini craze has not started in america. when we were young, people did not know what a martini was. everyone was thinking wine or beer, dark liquors. there was a craze developing in california. i went there. in new york, there is a place on first avenue called global 33.

this martini things looks cool. . a lot of young people making believe they were their grandparents. i opened a martini bar with food. "swingers' came out and boom, there was a giant demand for it. charlie: this was 1995? >> in 1995i opened the continental. charlie: did you find that your expense and concert planning was helpful? >> yes. i think the years presenting events. i did madonna's first tour. i saw so much from, you know, the production standpoint that i knew that selling concert tickets would help me sell people to come into the restaurant. i was promoting an idea. in this case, back in 1995, i was promoted martinis. and it worked. there were lines literally around the block. charlie: how has it changed since 1995?

you've been successful -- we will walk through some of the restaurant. how has the business changed? especially in philadelphia, it was sort of the wild west. there was not much there. tooknoveol, youthful idea off. what happened is that in the years to follow, the food network became a thing. food, television, foodies, chefs. overnight, chefs were celebrities. they became rock stars. charlie: they became celebrities. >> instead of booking u2, i was looking big-name chefs instead. the food network made them stars which was a blessing and a curse. for us. and that's how it changed. a blessing because everyone now became a foodie. people that had no knowledge of food, may be no taste, all became experts. that was good.

a curse, because everyone became experts. they were supercritical and you had to really appeal to the cul public ornds of the what the public thought were culinary demands. you could not just have a chef. he had to be a named chef. it created another stress on the restauranteur that you could n't just open a great restaurant with a woman no one knew. you had to know them. that's what happened. charlie: it has also become part of the deejay business today. known deejays. not those on the radio. the equivalent to what we grew up with with the beatles or led zeppelin. i don't understand it personally. i don't get it. but they are superstars. some of them get $1 million a gig. charlie: is that right? >> yes.

charlie: because they know how a kind songs and create of atmosphere that makes people want to dance. >> they create an energy and experience. so, going to concerts back in my day and your day, it was about, we study the album cover and the lyrics. we knew the drummer. but it's a whole different ballgame today. charlie: when you are in philadelphia, did you want to come to new york? >> i always wanted to come to new york. in philadelphia, and i love philadelphia, it is the reason why i am successful. the people there. charlie: you still live there? >> i still live there and i have an apartment in new york city. but i knew i would never be taken seriously until i made in new york. i was nominated a couple times when i was -- i was only in philadelphia. i was nominated for restauranteur of the year. i would go in knowing there is no way i would ever win. ithink,es beard thing,

subconsciously was really an underlying motivation for me to win. charlie: but you, an underlying motivation. t award.tha it was like an oscar for you. >> because it was not taken seriously in the beginning. who was i? i was a concert promoter that had no knowledge of food. i couldn't cook. i think a lot of the food people, the food press and some of the big-name chefs, looked at me as like, what does he know? big fish, little pond. i wanted to be taken seriously. i did not want to just be a promoter. i was not just a business guy, wishes some of the impressions of me was that it was just a business guy coming in and did not care about food. i wanted to prove myself. to the food community that i can do this. i am serious about it and i am good. charlie: how difficult is it to

make it in new york, in the food world, in the restaurant world? sayo, i'm going to something. it is very difficult to make it in new york but it was very difficult in philadelphia, too. for another reason. in philadelphia, it was like being in a small town. these were the people i knew and they came back every week, every day. i would see the same lawyer -- all the time. you can't disappoint people. charlie: you want regulars. >> we do not have the transient population you have a new york city. in philadelphia, it was a great place to hone my craft. they would come in and say, this stinks today. last week it was terrific. what is wrong with you? i honed my craft there. by the time i was good at this, i went on to new york and it was very difficult because the media here, the press, i think they saw me coming and wanted to sort

of take a couple shots at me. charlie: you have been good in philadelphia, you ain't seen nothing yet. and opened buddha time morro modod. . he was the iron chef. there was a cult following from japan. i felt good about that. buddha i was scared to death. i knew hyatt to make some -- i knew i had to make some noise. two things i did. i hired incredible designers. an architect from japan. nd one of the most -- revered interior designers. charlie: you had hired them to create an ambulance? >> to create an ambience inside the restaurant that would be awe-inspiring when people walked in. i was a big boxing fan when i was a kid. muhammad ali and i

watched him and howard cosell. i knew what muhammad ali was doing. he was talking a lot of s.h. back then. people would hate him. he got people interested in the fight. i knew i had to say some into the press to get them interested. i said something to report from "the new york post," that i think there has not been a big opening in new york for 10 or 20 years. i'm going to do the next big opening. my goodness, i said it spontaneously. but, thinking about, and only and that quote went everywhere in every newspaper picked up on it. i looked like this punk from philly. i knew i had to live up to this bragging. which i really was not that serious about. i was trying to shake things up. charlie: we think about coming to new york and you think about the restaurants you want, factor in notions that are. important

to a restaurant -- location what is it about locations? what makes a good location? >> a good location is many things. it is not just the corner of main and maine. that is what you need for starbucks. or a department store. a location for a restaurant has to be literally a great location, but it's got to be cool. there had to be at least the illusion that we were on the edge, we were not mainstream. i saw the meatpacking district and it was not developed yet. there was development but it was not developed yet. the middle oface, everything, really, was the right place. charlie: and what about lighting? >> lighting is probably the biggest element in my opinion of any restaurant. i'm going to share some secrets. it's probably the thing that has made us more successful than a

lot of people because we spend so much time on the lighting. i hire such great designers. it changes the experience. you do not even know it. the customer does not know why they had a great time are why they felt so good or sexy. and often it is the lighting. charlie: and music. to restaurants in new york and -- >> so, the music thing has changed over the years. when i first started, remember the baby boomers were young and still excited. and music, restaurants when i first started worere boring. we pumped up the music. we made the allianz exciting. today, the whole music thing has been done so much. and it has really become more quiet. even younger people want to be able to talk to each other. they really do. charlie: you want to be able to hear. you don't want to say repeat

that. >> restaurants have become entertainment for young people. restaurants used to be for our parent. let's go out to dinner saturday. great, dad. now 25-year-old go out and it is like going to the movies. they're talking about it. charlie: they wanted to be a happening, an event. >> the whole social media. in my restaurants, 30% of the people are taking pictures of the food. all night long, everything. which gets you nervous because maybe something does not play well. did they find a flight? -- a fly? charlie: i go restaurants with people and they have gone to online and have gone through and looked at all the pictures of the food. they know what they want based on some photograph of the food they saw online. >> i don't totally get it but it is a thing and we are part of it. a trend todayhere

in terms of what kind of restaurant, beyond farm to home, or home to farm, or whatever that i? >> farm to table. that is so overdone. i'm looking for the next trend. in the end, i things have gotten a little boring. it seems like we need to come up with some new ideas. there's a lot of repetition. changing thing a little bit is the same old thing. i actually think they're probably the more innovation is happening outside of new york because it is so expensive here now to do a restaurant. dorepreneurs are scared to anything too different. charlie: it is happening in los angeles? >> no, i think it's happening and seattle and in nashville. little places i have not been yet that we want to go to. charlie: i go to all of those cities and you can always find good restaurants in those cities. and young chefs. in some cases, they have moved back from new york. because they want to live in a different kind of place.

>> chefs here, they can't take living here because they have to live in queens -- charlie: and they start raising a family. >> let's go back home to north carolina. charlie: the grantors. >0-- the grandparents. >> they got the new york thing and they go to the hometown and take over. we'll see. charlie: you have restaurants, how many? >> we have 34. charlie: in how many cities? >> we are in philadelphia and new york city, atlantic city, miami, fort lauderdale, and paris. and washington. and washington, d.c. charlie: how is washington different from atlantic city? atlantic city -- is vegas. from's a tourist philadelphia and new york. washington is different than a lot of cities. washington is an incredible city for restaurants. it's getting better.

it is underserved. the people want to go out. they are young, they are excited. they used to be excited when they worked in the last administration. and washington is asleep or city that restauranteurs should absolutely consider. charlie: how many restaurants do you have their? >> i have one but we have two other leases we are about to sign. charlie: you want to build as many restaurants as you can? >> i got to lay down you got a couch? charlie: the doctor's in. >> i think i have a.d.d. and i'm bored. as soon as i begin a project, once a restaurant opens, i said that opening night is the saddest night for me. . most people think it is a happy night. i get sad. i open a restaurant and i see the people there and i am sad iit's over. charlie: some people have this

attitude -- movies and things. you make the movie and you are in the editing room. you have, if you are director, you have been on the scene, you're now editing. you have chosen the talented they feel like when the movie is in the theater, they are giving it over to the people. they're releasing the movie in a really interesting way. it is no longer just me. i'm giving it to you. >> that is true. but, also, i love when i open a restaurant as people really love it. if it hits that note w'ere shooting for, i figure i did a good job. i enjoy that part. opening night is all of -- shaky. charlie: having known you and having traveled a little bit, i once had an apartment in paris, i knew about a restaurant there. i knew about a guy named dan rose. dan rose has now come to new york and his restaurant is perhaps the hottest restaurant in new york. i say that in terms of every

list you see, it is either one or two. >> that may be the hottest in the country, i am happy to say. le cou cou. charlie: his name is dan rose. how did this happen? >> i'm always looking for something different. and i wanted, i'm always thinking, what can i do? do another italian restaurant? and i, one of the people that work for me, i said i want to find a chef, i want to do a first restaurant -- french restaurant. i do not want to go to the guys that are around already. i love them but it will not be new. he introduced me to a publicist and she told me about daniel rose. charlie: was it five years ago? >> four. charlie: i have known him longer thann you. >> the thing that convince me of doing this as i watch to interview him. i watch the show. charlie: and convinced you? >> i met him.

his spirit is what i liked. and it wanted to see how we interacted with you. their something about him. it is not just the food. there is something about that guy that just hit me. i'm going to go back to my music days. you book a band, but there is something about them. their songs may not be great yet but they have something. i saw that in him and he is a smart guy, a deep thinker and i like this bit charlie: this is a clip from that interview i did with dan rose x numbers of years ago. dan:, it is like you think about when you're sitting at a table and somebody puts the plate in front of you, there is a certain clarity that can happen. and you look at the food and you see the food and you start to eat the food before you touch it. and you want to make sure that is happening because when that happens, it opens up the rest of the evening for other things, , for havingin love

a conversation, for feeling alive, which is why we go to. when we go to a restaurant we like, sometimes it is about food. sometimes it is about people enjoying each other's company. sometimes it is about people having business meetings are catching up and everything from birthdays to mourning. also as of things happen in a restaurant. charlie: did you desire with him to re-create french, a different variation of french cuisine here? >> i met with him and said, what you want to do? he said, let's do a classic french restaurant. i had been to the blumenthal restaurant in london. supposedly, it is derivative of ancient english recipes. i said to danie can we do really old recipes? he said, we could be a new lutece. i said, absolute.

we understood what we wanted to do. he started cooking, he and his wife are making food for us. he was off and running. charlie: if you look at the thing that make that restaurant many awards and applause that the restaurant has received, is a because first of fodo? then-- food? then what else? >> it is not enough just the food. if i did the food in this room, it would not be the same experience. what it was, it was the design of the restaurant. we hired -- brilliant and herve for lighting. we just, it was a perfect little magical box we built. it was talent and skill and something from above that made this thing work. however, one of the thing i wanted say. daniel, the kitchen was open and

we had a home feeling. daniel is like your host. when he is there and he is often there, he would go out -- charlie: i hope so. >> he would go out and literally spoon the sauces. he wasn't because he had to. he literally wanted to. he wants to cook for people. the space, the design, the magic and he that had the notion that eating is not just about food. it is about how it makes you feel. it is what i think it all clicked. charlie: you also have el vez. >> a mexican restaurant. yes. charlie: nothing special? are you excited? >> i'm very excited. alvaz.'m very happy with we did it in philadelphia first. great food. and -- charlie: ok, so now, you've won

this james beard thing. >> i quit. charlie: you can't. two questions, do you feel like an outsider or do think, i came, saw, i conquered? >> you know what? i think i will always feel like an outsider. i feel like i'm an outsider anyway in general. i always feel like i'm throwing this party in the corner watching everyone enjoyed it. i'll always feel that way but i do think i came and concord and and i won.nquered that is not mean i can sit back. i want to continue. it does take a lot of pressure off. le cou cou won the award for best new restaurant. happy.' so i feel like there is less pressure that i put on myself. i still want to do something new and exciting. charlie: you are still hungry. >> i'm hungry but i want to do

something different -- i do not want to keep repeating. i want to do something that you would have me back on the show to talk about. ♪

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