♪ announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: we begin this evening with terrorism overseas. a deadly suicide bombing at manchester arena monday night left 22 dead and more than 50 injured. in the deadliest terrorist attack in britain since 2005, when explosives on london's transit system killed 52. isis has claimed responsibility for the attack, which took place at an ariana grande concert. police identified the bomber as 22-year-old salman abedi, a british citizen. president trump condemned the

attack tuesday calling the perpetrators "losers." here is the report for cbs. scott: the prime minister raised the terror threat level in britain to critical. that means another attack is considered imminent. soldiers are being deployed. a makeshift memorial has grown for victims of the suicide bombing last night at the manchester arena. considered imminent. at least 22 were killed and 59 wounded. an unknown number of others are still unaccounted for. relatives are pleading for help in locating them. this attack was different. the targets included many young children and teenagers attending the concert. ,, saffie ruso, just eight years old. her principal said should be were remember for her kindness and creative flare. georgianna was 18, a college student and a huge fan of ariana grande. john atkinson was 26, a dancer.

his dance company described him as an amazingly happy, gentle person. posted a photo of the man who took their lives. and mark phillips has the latest now on how it happened. ♪ mark: it was an attack not on a crowd of concertgoers but on innocence itself. first, a thud. then, confusion. >> oh, my god. mark: then panic. the audience for ariana grande, young, often in their early teens, often female, sometimes of elementary school age. this was the deliberate targeting of children. an arena for sinful parties, isis called it. >> we're in the arena. we heard a bang. we had to run fro me life. --we had to run for me life. >> a big bang, smelled smoke and

everyone was screaming and crying. mark: the bomber had come to the concert from a manchester neighborhood of few miles away where police were searching today. a swat team flew its way into the home of a 22-year-old local man police say was known to them and who had himself died in the murderous blast he set off. manchester police chief ian hopkins. >> i can confirm the man suspected of carrying out last night's atrocity is 22-year-old salman abedi. however, he has not yet been formally named by the coroner. i would not wish to, therefore, comment any further about him. mark: a major anti-terror investigation is trying to determine whether salman abedi had acted alone, as police first said, or whether he had help in planning his attack and building his bomb. either way, this attack was another example of homegrown terror. arrestmade at least one

today of a 23-year-old man they said was in connection with the bombing. the bomb had been packed with nuts and bolts and nails. it even left those concertgoers who survived with scars. >> you would not think something like this would happen to you. it is so unreal -- it is. >> still trying to get in contact with everybody. it has been awful. mark: manchester, a proud working-class town now joins london and berlin and nice in brussels and madrid, and all the other places where innocents have died in europe's current reign of terror. london: joining me from is caroline hyde of bloomberg television. at the table, ray kelly, the former new york city police commissioner.

caroline, let me begin with you. tell us what is the latest that we know about the investigation about the circumstances that happened there. caroline: breaking news of 24 hours, the worst terrorist atrocity to hit this country in a decade. we've seen the british prime minister take a stand and move the terror threat in the united kingdom to a status from severe to critical, saying to the british public they are worried another attack could be imminent. manchester,d in which is one of the largest cities in the united kingdom, more than half a million people living there, that they have and having much police activity throughout the day. there have been raids and activity to find whether this individualranger, an who was this suicide bomber, or whether there were accomplices. one young male has also been arrested today. so, much activity. but as we move from a severe to critical threat element in the u.k., we are going to see many more military on the ground for

protection of sporting events like at the football at wembley arena. big activities in a rugby match being played. we are likely to see much more protection going forward. charlie: what we know about the suspect that died? caroline: yes, indeed, it was a suicide bomb. and it potentially looks as though it could have been a self-made nail device. we know he was british-born and british bred. he did come from libyan origin. it looks as though his parents were refugees from libya. but he was born and bred in manchester, which is a city in the north of england and known for its ethnic diversity, the melting pot that it is in terms of ethnicities and languages. more than 150 languages spoken in this one city alone. we know that the islamic state has taken to saying this indeed was them. and, therefore, we wonder if there has been some sort of

indoctrination that has gone on. his name was salman abedi. he was 22 years old. charlie: commissioner kelly, thank you for joining us. what questions would you have asked tonight of your officers over there who when there is this kind of incident, officers from the nypd go there to get as much information as possible? mr. kelly: they have been very welcomed. they are right in the command center. we want as much information as possible. i would like to know a lot more about this salman abedi. the fact that the terror level has been raised to critical, the highest level, might indicate this individual was not in fact a lone wolf but tied to a group. and that they anticipate his death triggering more attacks.

don't know that, but it's interesting that it was raised today, based on what appears to be lone wolf activity from 3000 miles away. charlie: how does society protect itself from these kinds of attacks? mr. kelly: with great difficulty. intelligence is the key. we had 16 plots in the obama administration. they all were foiled, in one way or another. some more as a result of intelligence. some were from the nsa and some from informants. we have to drill down and get intelligence as much as possible. it has become much more difficult. using apps that encrypt messages. that sort of thing. they have upped their game. upped e lone wolves have their game in terms of what they could learn from the internet. it has gotten increasingly difficult to identify individuals. charlie: and you can go to the

internet and learn how to make some of these bombs. mr. kelly: you can go to the internet and find out how to make the most readily used bomb material by terrorists, and a series of other things. i did that today, went to a website. bombowed like bombfive iterations that could be made easily. it is not a question of learning how to do it. it's laid out for you in black and white. charlie: but do you sense now that isis, because of losing the caliphate, views this as its target of opportunity? congregations of people in western cities? mr. kelly: last week they put out a 44 minute video that says exactly that. because they are apparently about to lose mosul, or pretty simple, raqqa is getting encircled. they're getting desperate. they want to still have a presence, still be able to impact the world. so, that is what the video was all about.

unfortunately, i think it worked. we are going to see more of this sort of thing, as they lose mosul and raqqa is attacked. charlie: when a terrorist organization takes credit, are they responsible? do they take credit for things they do not do a significant part of the time, or if they take credit, they did it generally, if they take credit, they do. isis in particular has a certain credibility. when they say they have done something -- or the inspired it somehow. they claim they are inspiring these kinds of events. charlie: so because they are not known necessarily or do not have contact -- mr. kelly: this is what the message is. go forth and do whatever you can. mohammed aldeni was the spokesperson for isis until he

was killed by a drunk. he put out this message, killed the dirty french and the americans, stab them, hit them with a rock, run them over with your car. that message goes out thousands of thousands of times a day on the internet. that is what some people will respond to. that is what they are claiming credit for. they are bringing forth that message. charlie: we saw the british prime minister in a very eloquent statement, and as you suggested, calling on the british spirit and condemning this. part of the condemnation in this particular case, it seems like it was so brutal in terms of killing children. they knew exactly where people would be streaming out of this concert, which had a lot of young, teenage and even younger fans, at the exit there. caroline: exactly right. charlie: speak more to that. caroline: that is what has struck so much to the heart of

every britain that has heard about this. and every european, every american come everyone around the world who heard about this. those who seem to have been injured were under the age of 16. ariana grande is known for her youthful following and fan base. it was largely teenagers, children and their parents that were attending this event. and the fact that it occurred just as pink balloons were being lifted off in the arena, you can see the juxtaposition in people's mind's eye of such happiness and entertainment. and then such terror as they run for the door and parents being separated from their children. and then the concern and the lack of knowledge of where these children have gone. many being separated from their families. that has struck very much at the root of the u.k. and also, this comes at an unnerving time, not only as we build towards a general election, but this comes a couple months after an attack on westminster itself and this struck a chord there and many a question are being raised as to

why the terrorist threat was not raised after that attack that was again, a lone ranger driving his van into the houses of parliament and killing many. charlie: what do we know about the bomb itself? sometimes it can be in identifying mark for who did it. caroline: this is where some of the reports become hazy. as we understand, their reports on the ground. there were nails, pieces of shrapnel which made many, therefore, state this would be a nail bomb and, therefore, a device that was used by this individual. as you were just talking about, potentially learn how to make this something internet. there have been clamps down in and provisionsts to make these devices, but it looks as though they still can be made, and is such a brutal effect. the fact that we have 22 people killed shows the difficulty and the pain this element can inflict. charlie: it is interesting to

note that ariana grande is an american entertaineer. and in france, the eagles of were playing, another american group. hopefully will be sorted out. charlie: this country has not been immune from these kinds of things. there have been a whole range of different kinds of things but we have not had that kind of attack. we had the attack in orlando but it seemed to be from a different kind of source. what have we done, and what should we expect? mr. kelly: i think we do a pretty good job here. there is a lot of coordination. in europe, people admit that the coordination challenges, the information is not flowing from country to country as it should. but we had our moments. last september we had a bomb go off in new york city on 23rd. he was not on anyone's radar screen. we were very lucky.

sometimes ineptness plays a role. but i think all things considered, since 9/11, this country has done a pretty good job of protecting itself. not perfect. but i think we have to basically do more of the same. it takes a lot of resources to do it. charlie: the man who perpetrated this crime, this awful crime, was known to police. how much did they know and what did they know? caroline: well, it seems as though there is still many an investigation going into this as to what they know about him. they know his ethnic origin. they know where he was brought up. it seems as though some of the reports have come from the united states. they cited u.s. sources. it seems that not much has been understood about the background but to be able to raise the severity of the concerns in the u.k. to critical, as you were discussing earlier, means perhaps this is something he did not work alone on.

perhaps there are accomplices. as they say, there were many a raids happening within manchester, the city to the north of the u.k., and perhaps, some arrests being made on the back of this. charlie: caroline, thank you so much for joining us. mr. kelly, great to see you. we will be right back. stay with us. ♪

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ongoing congressional probe. john brennan testified before the house intelligence committee. he said he had come across intelligence that revealed contact and interaction between russian officials and u.s. persons involved in the trump campaign. he described russian interference to influence the election in trump's favor but could not confirm whether the campaign knowingly colluded with the kremlin. president trump has repeatedly denied any ties between his campaign and russian officials. the "washington post" reported monday that president trump toed intelligence chiefs publicly deny any evidence of collusion. joining me from washington, adam schiff, the ranking democrat on the house intelligence committee. i'm pleased to have him back on this program. congressman, thank you for joining us. this has been a day of a lot of news, including the president being in israel and including the fact we had this awful tragedy in manchester. but let me begin and come back,

because when the president comes back this will once again be at the top of the news. what did we learn today from john brennan? adam: we learned he was concerned enough about the theext between what he saw twin russian officials and those of the trump campaign that information to the fbi for counterintelligence investigation. he talks about how alarm bells went off with him when he saw these contacts. and it was not just that they were contacts. there are contacts between russians and americans all the time, but they were happening during a time when he knew the russians were engaged in a brazen effort to influence our election. that is what concerned him some much. he was not able to tell us anything about what the fbi investigation led to thereafter. whate could not talk about evidence they may have uncovered, but he did talk about for the first time the concerns

he had very early on about those contacts. he also talked in reference to that white house meeting that the president had with the russian ambassador and russian foreign minister. yes, there are times when we share intelligence with other countries, classified intelligence, including the russians, but it is never done impromptu. it is done through classified intelligence channels. that is the protocol because you need to make sure you are protecting sources. he says if that was not done here and that if this was a spur of the moment statement by the president, that is a real problem because it could dry up sources of information. considering, charlie, that the issue here was an isis threat to our aviation, at least that is what was reported, anything compromising that is very serious indeed. charlie: john brennan talked about a visit he made after learning about what he feared about russia's efforts to affect our elections, that he talked to the head of i think the fsb, the successor to the kgb in russia. congressman schiff: yes.

he talked to him about the harassment of u.s. personnel but also about this engagement in our elections, this interference. and it was notable to me that one of the things he reported that he had said was that this would backfire, that americans .ould never stand for this and sadly, this was not completely true because he did have one of the presidential candidates in donald trump publicly egging on the russians, saying, russians, if you are listening, hack hillary clinton's emails. he will be rewarded. notwithstanding, you had a presidential candidate with a very different message, singl saying, we invite you to hack into our election process. charlie: was your committee interested in having general

michael flynn come? congressman schiff: oh, yes. we have invited him. we have requested documents. he has turned down those requests and we are in the midst of having our own deliberations about how they willfully pursue them. and what compulsory process is necessary to get that information. charlie: there is also the question of whether president trump asked dan coats, the director of national intelligence and nsa chief to publicly say there was no evidence of collusion. what can you tell us about that? congressman schiff: we saw today director coats unwilling to answer that question. i think we need to bring him in in a closed and classified session to see if we can get an answer from him and from director rogers. it is a very important issue. if it goes to any effort to interfere in the investigation, that is very serious. director rogers. it is a very important issue.i'o politicize the intelligence agencies by getting them out there to push back on a narrative that the white house was afraid of or did not like, that is a different problem, but

nonetheless, another very serious problem. so, ultimately, we are going to have to get to the bottom of this, just as we have to get to the bottom of those allegations the president improperly urged flynnto drop the investigation entirely. we need to find out if there were memos and obtain those and with coats and rogers if they or their staffs moralized these conversations with the president, we need to get that information as well. charlie: we have a number of investigations going on. there is the house intelligence committee, the senate intelligence committee, there is the independent counsel, robert mueller is his independent investigation. how do they cooperate? congressman schiff: this is a very important point. not only that we do need to cooperate and we need to have a good channel and mechanism to do that. michael flynn is a perfect illustration. before we would ever entertain a request for immunity like the one he has made, we'd want to talk with bob mueller and find

out, what your prosecutorial equities? what would we sacrifice if we went for it with any immunity? those kinds of communications have to go on. broader point on this is very important for people to understand, too. what is the relationship of the congressional probes and they ar are they any less and portent now? these are two important jobs. mueller will decide does the evidence lead to the bringing of charges against people that have violated u.s. law. if he does not make that decision, if in other words, if he makes a decision not to bring charges, he may not be able to say anything about what he found and whether he found evidence but it not rise to proof beyond a reasonable doubt. or even if he brings charges that he found evidence on certain people, but he is not , parto comment on others of the job of congress is to find out the full picture of what the russians did. yes, whether they had u.s. personnel involvement, but also

what you say made of their media platform, whether there were other efforts to either blackmail or compromise u.s. persons in the campaign. and ultimately to make that public. so that the public not only is kept along through open hearings, like the one we had today, during the course of the investigation, but importantly, when the investigation is over so the country understands just what took place and we can protect ourselves in the future. charlie: what do you make of the fact that, as a newspaper editor said on the cbs morning show this marty, that most of the president's pushback has been to the russian probe? what does that say to you? congressman schiff: well, obviously, this is something that deeply concerns the president, that he is using every opportunity to try to bat down. this is something he wants to call a witchhunt, a fake news story. theknow, it does beg

question, why this focus by the president on trying to diminish the significance of something, that even in the most general level, there is universal acceptance of. and that is the very fact of russian involvement in hacking our election. he is still suggesting it could have been china. that really does beg a lot of questions. why is he the last person in the country who can accept, no, this was a russian campaign directed at our elections? i'm not sure i can explain it, but it does raise pretty profound questions. charlie: a couple points come up about that. number one, has he denied the fact that russia may have influenced the election or has he said, yes they may have tried to do it, but other countries have tried to do it as well? congressman schiff: well, you know, like many of the things the president says and does, it is a bit scatter shot. he has both said this is a witchhunt, this is fake news. at times he has said, i think it

still could've been the chinese. he is a bit all over the map. i think at the root of it is w two things. at the root of it is the idea that he views this as diminishing his electoral college success because he keeps coming back to how he won the electoral college and how it is so hard for republicans -- even though frankly, republicans seem to win the electoral college just as often as democrats. more than that, there is a bedrock of concern about the russian investigation that led him to fire director comey to take that step with someone had a 10 year term of office. obviously, the more pressing question for us, is there more to the fact that the president is diminishing and downplaying this investigation? we need to simply follow the facts wherever they lead. charlie: have you seen any evidence that anybody from the russian team, i'm sorry, anyone from the trump election team or

transition team, colluded with the russians? have you seen any evidence of that in terms of what you have witnessed? congressman schiff: you know, i have said yes. i still maintain that there is evidence of collusion. but i want people to understand, we're at the very beginning of an investigation. and we need to follow the evidence wherever it leads. i am not prepared to make any conclusions about the strength of the evidence. once we conclude our investigation. but there was a good basis for the fbi to begin its investigation. i think there is a good basis for the fbi to continue its investigation. i think there was a good basis for the appointment of robert mueller. i do not think that any of these steps take place because this is just a suspicion, or someone's hunch. i think we are doing the responsible thing, which is a thorough investigation. charlie: but is it circumstantial evidence? congressman schiff: from my point of view, it is not purely circumstantial. i can't and don't want to go

into the specifics of the evidence we have been presented. one of the challenges we have, charlie, is not all of us have seen the same evidence. those of us that are part of the those in the intelligence committee get a different level of briefing. those in the judiciary committee, that -- in the white house and lindsey graham chairs and ranking member, they get a different level of evidence. part of the reason why different members see the evidence in different ways. charlie: you can confirm that the fbi has a person of interest high up in the white house? congressman schiff: no, i cannot make any comment on who the fbi may be looking at. charlie: thank you for coming. congressman schiff: it is my pleasure. charlie: we will be right back. stay with us. ♪

charlie: stephen starr is the owner of more than 30 restaurants across four states and two countries. earlier this month, he took home the james beard award. "the new york times" says each of his restaurants has its own style. asian, latino, steak, seafood. comfort food and italian places and even an english gastric pub that has notting hill written all over it.

none bear the stamp of a corporate entity. i'm pleased to have stephen starr at this table for the first time. welcome. >> thank you. charlie: congratulations. i have eaten in your restaurants in philadelphia and here. but you have been called the accidental restauranteur. in part because you did not set out. you and i have some -- mother's son who loves cooking and wanted to create your own restaurant. you were an entertainer who was an impresario, so to speak. >> my goal in life since i was 12 -- was to produce movies. as a little kid, i wanted to be a disc jockey on the radio. charlie: how long did that last? >> i wanted to do that since i was 10. i did do it when i was 16 and 17. i was a concert promoter for most of my adult life, doing big shows.

that is really what i wanted to do. my dream was always to produce movies. charlie: but you ended up in restaurants. >> ended up in restaurants accidentally. i sold my concert business in 1993. did not know what to do. that was in philadelphia, yes. didn't really know anything else other than that. i knew how to maybe produce events. i just wonder what i could do and i said there's a void in philadelphia. it is not very exciting, i'm kind of bored. i want to open something i would enjoy. i started researching and came up with the first restaurant. charlie: and what was that? >> the martini craze had not started in america. when we were young, people did not know what a martini was. everyone was thinking wine or beer, dark liquors. there was a craze developing in california. i went there. in new york, there is a place on first avenue called global 33.

this martini thing looks cool. a lot of young people making believe they were their grandparents. i opened a martini bar with food. "swingers" came out and boom, there was a giant demand for it. charlie: this was 1995? >> in 1995 i opened the continental. charlie: did you find that your experience in concert planning was helpful? >> yes. i think the years presenting events. i did madonna's first tour. i saw so much from, you know, the production standpoint that i knew that selling concert tickets would help me sell people to come into the restaurant. knew that selling concert i was promoting an idea. in this case, back in 1995, i was promoting martinis. and it worked. there were lines literally around the block. charlie: how has it changed since 1995? you've been successful -- we

will walk through some of the restaurants. how has the business changed? >> in 1995, especially in philadelphia, it was sort of the wild west. there was not much there. any novel, youthful idea took off. what happened is that in the years to follow, the food network became a thing. food, television, foodies, chefs. overnight, chefs were celebrities. they became rock stars. charlie: they became celebrities. >> instead of booking u2, i was booking big-name chefs instead. the food network made them stars which was a blessing and a curse. for us. and that's how it changed. a blessing because everyone now became a foodie. people that had no knowledge of food, maybe no taste, all became experts. that was good.

a curse, because everyone became experts. they were supercritical and you had to really appeal to the culinary demands of the public or what the public thought were culinary demands. you could not just have a chef. he had to be a named chef. it created another stress on the restauranteur that you couldn't just open a great restaurant with a guy or a woman no one knew. you had to know them. that's what happened. charlie: it has also become part of the deejay business today. known deejays. not those on the radio. those who perform for large crowds. >> deejays are the equivalent to what we grew up with with the beatles or led zeppelin. i don't understand it personally. i don't get it. but they are superstars. some of them get $1 million a gig. charlie: is that right? >> yes. charlie: because they know how

to mix songs and create a kind of atmosphere that makes people want to dance. >> they create an energy and experience. so, going to concerts back in my day and your day, it was about, we study the album cover and the lyrics. we knew the drummer. but it's a whole different ballgame today. charlie: when you are in philadelphia, did you want to come to new york? >> i always wanted to come to new york. in philadelphia, and i love philadelphia, it is the reason why i am successful. the people there. charlie: you still live there? >> i still live there and i have an apartment in new york city. but i knew i would never be taken seriously until i made in new york. i was nominated a couple times when i was -- i was only in philadelphia. i was nominated for restauranteur of the year. i would go in knowing there is no way i would ever win. this james beard thing, i think,

subconsciously was really an underlying motivation for me to win. charlie: but you, an underlying motivation. to win that award. it was like an oscar for you. >> because i was not taken seriously in the beginning. who was i? i was a concert promoter that had no knowledge of food. i couldn't cook. i think a lot of the food people, the food press and some of the big-name chefs, looked at me as like, what does he know? big fish, little pond. i wanted to be taken seriously. i did not want to just be a promoter. i was not just a business guy, which is some of the impressions of me was that i was just a business guy coming in and did not care about food. i wanted to prove myself. to the food community that i can do this. i am serious about it and i am

good. charlie: how difficult is it to make it in new york, in the food world, in the restaurant world? >> so, i'm going to say something. it is very difficult to make it in new york but it was very difficult in philadelphia, too. for another reason. in philadelphia, it was like being in a small town. these were the people i knew and they came back every week, every day. i would see the same lawyer -- all the time. you can't disappoint people. charlie: you want regulars. >> we do not have the transient population you have a new york city. in philadelphia, it was a great place to hone my craft. they would come in and say, this stinks today. what happened? last week it was terrific. what is wrong with you? i honed my craft there. by the time i was good at this, i went on to new york and it was very difficult because the media here, the press, i think they saw me coming and wanted to sort of take a couple shots at me.

charlie: you have been good in philadelphia, you ain't seen nothing yet. whatcome and open restaurant? >> i opened buddha time and morro modo. he was the iron chef. he was on television. he was famous. there was a cult following from japan. i felt good about that. buddha i was scared to death. i knew i had to make some noise. i didn't know if it was going to be accepted to rea. two things i did. i hired incredible designers. an architect from japan. and one of the most -- revered interior designers. charlie: you had hired them to create an ambiance? >> to create an ambience inside the restaurant that would be awe-inspiring when people walked in. i was a big boxing fan when i was a kid. i watched muhammad ali and i watched him and howard cosell.

i knew what muhammad ali was doing. he was talking a lot of s.h. back then. people would hate him. he got people interested in the fight. i knew i had to say something to the press to get them interested. i said something to a reporter from "the new york post," that i think there has not been a big opening in new york for 10 or 20 years. i'm going to do the next big opening. my goodness, i said it spontaneously. but thinking about muhammad ali. that quote went everywhere in every newspaper picked up on it. i looked like this punk from philly. saying, i'm going to show you guys. i knew i had to live up to this bragging. which i really was not that serious about. i was trying to shake things up. charlie: when you think about coming to new york and you think about the restaurants you want, factoring notions that are important.

location what is it about locations? what makes a good location? >> a good location is many things. it is not just the corner of main and maine. that is what you need for starbucks. or a department store. a location for a restaurant has to be literally a great location, but it's got to be cool. at least for me, there had to be at least the illusion that we were on the edge, we were not mainstream. i saw the meatpacking district and it was not developed yet. there was development but it was not developed yet. i knew this place, the middle of everything, really, was the right place. charlie: and what about lighting? >> lighting is probably the biggest element in my opinion of any restaurant. i'm going to share some secrets. it's probably the thing that has made us more successful than a lot of people because we spend

so much time on the lighting. i hire such great designers. it changes the experience. you do not even know it. the customer does not know why they had a great time are why this felt so good or sexy. and often it is the lighting. charlie: and music. i go to restaurants in new york and -- >> so, the music thing has changed over the years. when i first started, remember the baby boomers were young and still excited. and music, restaurants when i first started were boring. a lot of them were boring. so we pumped up the music. we made the ambience exciting. today, the whole music thing has been done so much. and it is really time to become more quiet. even younger people want to be able to talk to each other. they really do. charlie: you want to be able to hear. you don't want to say repeat that.

>> restaurants have become entertainment for young people. restaurants used to be for our parents. let's go out to dinner saturday. great, dad. now everyone goes out and 25 year old glove. they are going to a restaurant. they're talking about it. it to be a happening, an event. >> the whole social media. in my restaurants, 30% of the people are taking pictures of the food. all night long, everything. which gets you nervous because maybe something does not play ted well. did they find a fly? charlie: i go restaurants with people and they have gone to online and have gone through and d looked at all the pictures of the food. they know what they want based on some photograph of the food they saw online. >> i don't totally get it but it is a thing and we are part of it. charlie: is there a trend today in terms of what kind of

restaurant, beyond farm to home, or home to farm, or whatever that is? >> farm to table. that is so overdone. i'm looking for the next trend. in the end, i think things have gotten a little boring. it seems like we need to come up with some new ideas. there's a lot of repetition. changing things a little bit is the same old thing. i actually think they're probably more innovation is happening outside of new york because it is so expensive here now to do a restaurant. entrepreneurs are scared to do anything too different. charlie: it is happening in los angeles? >> no, i think it's happening in like charleston and seattle and in nashville. little places i have not been yet that we want to go to. charlie: i go to all of those cities and you can always find good restaurants in those cities. and young chefs. in some cases, they have moved back from new york. because they want to live in a different kind of place. >> chefs here, they can't take

living here because they have to live in queens. or further. charlie: and they start raising a family. >> let's go back home to north carolina. charlie: the grandparents. >> they learn so much. they got the new york thing and they go to the hometown and take over. so we'll see. charlie: you have restaurants, how many? >> we have 34. charlie: in how many cities? >> we are in philadelphia and new york city, atlantic city, miami, fort lauderdale, and paris. and washington. and washington, d.c. charlie: how is washington different from atlantic city? atlantic city -- is vegas. >> it's tourists from philadelphia and new york. washington is different than a lot of cities. washington is an incredible city for restaurants. it's getting better. it is underserved. the people want to go out.

they are young, they are excited. they used to be excited when they worked in the last administration. and washington is a sleeper city that restauranteurs should absolutely consider. charlie: how many restaurants do you have there? >> i have one but we have two other leases we are about to sign. charlie: you want to build as many restaurants as you can? down, you got a couch? charlie: the doctor's in. >> i think i have a.d.d. and i'm bored. i think as soon as i begin a project, once a restaurant opens, i said that opening night is the saddest night for me. most people think it is a happy night. i get sad. i don't know why. i open a restaurant and i see the people there and i am sad because it's over. i did it. charlie: some people have this attitude about things like that. movies and things. you make the movie and you are

in the editing room. if you are director, you have been on the scene, in and out, they feel like when the movie is in the theater, they are giving it over to the people. they're releasing the movie in a really interesting way. it is no longer just me. i'm giving it to you. >> that is true. but, also, i love when i open a restaurant and people really love it. if it hits that note we're shooting for, i figure i did a good job. i enjoy that part. it is just that opening night is always shaky. charlie: having known you and having traveled a little bit, i once had an apartment in paris, i knew about a restaurant there. i knew about a guy named dan rose. dan rose has now come to new york and his restaurant is perhaps the hottest restaurant in new york. i say that in terms of every list you see, it is either one

or two. >> that may be the hottest in the country, i am happy to say. le coucou. charlie: his name is dan rose. how did this happen? >> i'm always looking for something different. and i wanted, i'm always thinking, what can i do? do another italian restaurant? and i, one of the people that worked for me, i said i want to find a chef, i want to do a french restaurant. i do not want to go to the guys that are around already. i love them but it will not be new. he introduced me to a publicist and she told me about daniel rose. charlie: was it five years ago? >> four. charlie: i have known him longer than you. >> the thing that convinced me of doing this is i watched you interview him. i watched the show. charlie: it convinced you? >> i met him.

his spirit is what i liked. i wanted to see how he interacted with you. there is something about him. it is not just the food. there is something about that guy that just hit me. i'm going to go back to my music days. you book a band, but there is something about them. their songs may not be great yet but they have something. i saw that in him and he is a smart guy, a deep thinker and i like this. charlie: this is a clip from that interview i did with dan rose x numbers of years ago. daniel: it is like you think about when you're sitting at a table and somebody puts the plate in front of you, there is a certain clarity that can happen. and you look at the food and you see the food and you start to eat the food before you touch it. and you want to make sure that is happening because, when that happens, it opens up the rest of the evening for other things, for falling in love, for having a conversation, for feeling

alive, which is why we go. when we go to a restaurant we like, sometimes it is about food. sometimes it is about people enjoying each other's company. sometimes it is about people having business meetings or and catching up and everything from birthdays to mourning. also things happen in a restaurant. charlie: did you desire with him to re-create french, a different variation of french cuisine here? >> i met with him and said, what do you want to do? he said, let's do a classic french restaurant. i had been to the blumenthal restaurant in london. supposedly, it is derivative of ancient english recipes. i said to daniel, can we do really old recipes? he said, yes. he pulled out a cookbook. he said, we could be a new lutece.

i said, absolutely. we understood what we wanted to do. he started cooking, he and his wife started making food for us. he was off. charlie: if you look at the thing that made that restaurant as many awards and applause that the restaurant has received, is it because first the food? then what else? >> it was more than the food. it is not enough just the food. if i did the food in this room, it would not be the same experience. what it was, it was the design of the restaurant. we hired -- brilliant, and herve for lighting. we just, it was a perfect little magical box we built. it was talent and skill and something from above that made this thing work. however, one other thing i wanted say.

daniel, the kitchen was open and we had a home feeling. daniel is like your host. when he is there, and he is often there, he would go out -- charlie: i hope so. >> he would go out and literally spoon the sauces. it wasn't because he had to. he literally wanted to. he wants to cook for people. the space, the design, the magic and he, who had the notion that eating is not just about food. it is about how it makes you feel. is when i think it all clicked. charlie: you also have el vez. >> a mexican restaurant. in battery park, yes. charlie: nothing special? are you excited? >> i'm very excited. it's, i'm very happy with el vez. we did it in philadelphia first. we took it here. it is a huge success, great food. and -- charlie: ok, so now, you've won this james beard thing.

>> i quit. charlie: you can't. two questions, do you feel like an outsider or do think, i came, saw, i conquered? >> you know what? i think i will always feel like an outsider. i feel like i'm an outsider anyway in general. i always feel like i'm throwing this party in the corner watching everyone enjoy it. i'll always feel that way, but i do think i came and conquered and i won. and that feels very good. that does not mean i can sit back. i want to continue. it really does take a lot of pressure i have taken on myself to win this. le coucou won the award for best new restaurant. daniel's so happy. i feel like there is less pressure that i put on myself. but still wanting to do something new and exciting. charlie: you are still hungry. >> i'm hungry, but i want to do something different -- i do not want to keep repeating.

i want to do something that you would have me back on the show on to talk about. ♪

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