♪ from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: we begin in the middle east and with the gulf state. last week, five middle eastern states, egypt, saudi arabia, the united arab emirates, and yemen sever ties with qatar. the goal was to isolate the country for alleged support of terrorism. the standoff that the u.s. in a bothcult position, since sides are american allies, and the u.s. has 10,000 troops in qatar. there has been an offered resolution, but it has not been

accepted. joining us is sheikh hamad bin jassim bin jaber al-thani, the former prime minister, and the close friend of the president and his father. i am pleased to have him at the table. welcome. the president of the united states visits saudi arabia, announces he fully supports saudi arabia and the emirates, and others efforts to isolate iran. several days later, we have an announcement that these arab states want to isolate qatar. they connected? what's going on? simply,amad al-thani: we have been caught by surprise. we went to the conference. i think we had a good meeting with the conference. there are always issues between our two countries are other countries, and it has been solved through the right channels. iran,, orlating

isolating qatar, they are now saying we have a very special relation and sympathy with iran and terrorism, and financing terrorism. first of all with iran, if you take it from commercial base, which is very important, qatar maybe 1% compared to the other gulf states of their trade with iran. even in syria, we are in a different position with the iranian and syrian war. , yes, we haveion continued to have a normal and good relations with iran because , and it's neighbor not only the gcc countries with normal relationships, but do we have a special relation with iran? gcc alignedis our brother, that is completely false.

if we are talking about terrorism, qatar is a partner with the united states. after 9/11, your troops came in one day to qatar and used all of before we had this big base. we facilitated that overnight. remember when bin laden said no islamic should have american troops, but we received all your troops at that time. we took all the planes. from that time, we were your partner fighting in afghanistan, iraq, yemen, and elsewhere. we were taking the full security for your guys, which they are there all these years. we have been caught by surprise to say that we are supporting terrorism. what terrorism are we supporting? charlie: that is what they say, that you are supporting the muslim brotherhood.

egypt was a part of this isolate qatar. clearly, the muslim brotherhood has a conflict with the government. the muslim brotherhood is in jordan. some. countries -- they say qatar supports,. hamas. and say qatar supports iran some behaviors they don't approve of. those are just some of the items they listed as to why you are not on board with isolating iran, and on board with supporting terrorism. sheikh hamad al-thani: who is isolating iran in the gulf? did they close diplomatic ties and then we opposed that? they did not bring it to the gcc to close their embassies in iran or close embassies of iran from the jcp -- gcc. charlie: gcc is the gulf

countries consulate. sheikh hamad al-thani: yes. even brought that thinking, to close embassies. if they want to, it would be part of the gcc, but it's not happening. when you are talking about the islamic brotherhood and egypt, islamic brotherhood is a big name with varieties. them are part of the , and in thewhere parliament of some countries. some of them use aggression, which we don't agree with them. some of them are peaceful. -- myself, ientify am in peace groups personally.

but to take that against qatar -- the egyptian people elect them in egypt. president ceci and army throw them out. fine. amir, he was one of the first people to support sisi . but their problem, they had so many problems inside. do you think qatar has the capability for the economic oruation as for what it was what it was in egypt, despite all the billions being given from other brothers in the region? -- the egyptians need to work inside egypt more and to do what they need to do. wish to see egypt as one of the strongest countries in the world, because it's one of the biggest arab nations.

a strong army. we need that. it's important for the arab nations to work. tunisia, there was an islamic government, and they have been taken out by the election, and another government comes. look how we are working with other governments that are not islamic brotherhood's we support them financially. financial support for tunisia comes from qatar. that means we are not supporting them because of the muslim brotherhood. we are supporting the stability of any region asking us for help. what is the benefit of a small meineke like qatar -- monarchy to support these groups? if you talk to somebody with a reasonable mind, he would not believe so. charlie: what do you think is at

heart here? what is the reason for this coming now? there has been an ongoing conversation about some thetries not approving of fact that qatar tried to play both sides. it had friends on both sides. even questions have been raised about how much funding qatar has done to some of the islamic groups in syria. sheikh hamad al-thani: look, in syria, everybody has mistakes, including your country. when the revolution happened in twoa, all of us worked in operational rooms. one in jordan and one in turkey. the first was in jordan. there are countries, some of the gcc countries among them, saudi's, iraqis, qatar, the u.s., and other allies, working from there. we were all supporting the same group. in turkey, we did the same. thatscovered by that time

sub groups -- some groups have other agendas. we eliminate them one by one. when we have confirmation from -- it doesn'tnds mean we did not do something that'sbut intentionally, not true. what is the reason? if they are finished with syria, they would come to us. we know that. charlie: the terrorist organizations? sheikh hamad al-thani: of course. they would come to us. that's normal. do you think we are out of the threat? we are not. charlie: is the principal conflict in the region today saudi versus iran? think hamad al-thani: i there are a few problems in the region. one of them is ok.

behave, i think there's no doubt. i said this two months ago at a said thisdoha, and i in another speech in london. i always say iran is shaking the stability of the region by doing things in yemen, in syria, in lebanon, in iraq. iran, wed to fight have to be more intelligent. i don't mean falling -- fighting them by weapons. i mean fighting them with the brain. the problem is we don't have a strategy in the gcc. we have an initiative sometimes taken. these are sometimes taken because of certain things happening here or there, so we take initiatives to counter that. the problem is stability in the mind, so we can find a way to

happensthe attack that in the region and not let them interfere. qatar -- ng cutter -- for example, if i call any other countries to the region, you would say you want to bring them inside if i want to defend himself. is that what they want to push qatar in the war? the sovereignty of qatar is the most important thing for us, and the integrity. that we will defend until the last minute. the problem that all these allegations or talks about qatar, they have no solid base. a case thatold us someone financed another.

did they send it to the right channel last month or the month before, or six months ago and our people denied it? they did not send us this list. they created it lately. maybe it's right. maybe we need to look at their cases. but is this the right way? where is the international law if they cut you off from food, if they cut your families? charlie: these are all things they said they would do. sheikh hamad al-thani: they did. already been done. this is done together, you and everyone says this is not right, and there was a war between israel and palestine. charlie: tommy more about the impact on qatar that has happened since they announced there would be this effort to isolate qatar. what has been the impact?

they knowad al-thani: that emir was honest and sincere and tried to build an with neighbors, and by doing this they did not give him the chance, and disappointed although people of qatar and the majority of the gcc people did not agree with that act. there is a constitution in the gcc. did they use the constitution? did they meet and accuse qatar of something? did we see the secretary-general of the gcc say something? charlie: they did not have those. sheikh hamad al-thani: nothing has been done.

we cannot rely on the gcc in the future if the big countries have a difference with somebody, and they will do what they need to do without the gcc. -- thect king someone we respect saudi arabia, and we will always continue to respect them, but this act has changed a lot of situations among all the gcc members. charlie: in what way? sheikh hamad al-thani: in a way that this could have been any reason. if anyone -- any leader wakes up in the morning and decides he relations for a reason or no reason, that means there's no stability in this constitution. it means they are not together. imagine if there is a problem between european countries, like germany and lithuania, or any think theyry, do you

would shut the border or discuss it in the european union and see the mistakes, and take necessary actions? none of this happened. the big problem, the americans, the allies for both sides, they on how to handle the problem. they should be more fair to look at the problem and try to see if there is something to be solved. charlie: two questions. do you believe the studies are behind this? sheikh hamad al-thani: we announced, not just believe. they announced this. until now, i know something, but ,he size, the magnitude of this it's not justified. charlie: what is the united states doing, and has the united

states changed its position since the initial announcement of this effort to isolate? president trump said in the rose garden conference that the saudi led action against qatar was hard but necessary. clearly has staked his lot with the studies in the battle against iran, but then you have the secretary of state who has seemed to want to mediate, seems to want to figure out a solution to this that is better than the reality on the ground today. sheikh hamad al-thani: i think look at the should matter from both sides equally until he has the right evidence. that is one thing. second thing, the president of the united states, which i respect him, i think he takes having thethout right evidence against qatar. states, as united

the superpower in the world, should be more thoughtful when they take measures like this or support others to take measure. charlie: so you are criticizing washington for going along with this without finding out more information? sheikh hamad al-thani: i criticize them because they are our ally and friends, and we expect friends to be fair. not a hopeless, but be fair. with thelot of things americans together in fighting terrorism, and other things for a more peaceful region. charlie: are those things at risk now? sheikh hamad al-thani: i and not a person authorized -- i am not in the government to say if it would affect or not, but the people of qatar, the normal people, have been hurt, because they think the u.s. should look at this.

i have no doubt that in the end the united states will do the right thing. i have no doubt. i will tell you why. institutions,as they look at them and find that taken, assumptions or theories that are not right. is there any part of the qatari government and the emir, that because this has happened, they have to rethink their policies that it might have given rise to the perception that qatar was supporting iran and extremism and terrorism? sheikh hamad al-thani: qatar supporting iran is a big joke, first of all. me when we to tell have supported iran.

when? there are no events. we have normal relations, but we are not on the top of the list of relations with iran. we are not on the top list. if we are on the top, we would not fight with them in syria. is totally a joke, in my opinion. charlie: if you had relationship with the, you would join hezbollah. but you did not. sheikh hamad al-thani: exactly. but the problem, if it is because of iran, we are ready to .pen session and discuss it but the case is there are some countries in the region that policy dictate their with other countries, which we cannot take as a country. we are a sovereign country, independent country, and we have the right to do our own policy

if it goes with international law and normal practices. charlie: how serious a crisis do you view this? sheikh hamad al-thani: it is serious in the matter that there is a big crack in the gcc. i don't know how it will be rebuilt. charlie: but it could affect u.s. relationships with qatar? sheikh hamad al-thani: i don't thanto jump to that, more it is a hurt. we feel we have been hurt. but let us not jump to this conclusion, because we took the foreign minister announcement, and we will listen to see if they want to meet. is respected by all the

gcc countries. i think between him and the united states, i have hope that andill come to conclusions, the criticizing of qatar has no basis. charlie: it is said that after our president tweeted some things, that president putin .elephoned your emir is that correct? sheikh hamad al-thani: this is what has been said, but let me tell you one thing.if we spoke i think theyians, would say that we also have dealings with russia. the problem now, if we wanted to , you are not listening

to both sides. if someone wants to talk nicely, or wants to help, will you say they should not go to the russians? imagine if the russians wanted to solve the problems. what would americans say? why would qatar announce -- allowed russian interference? tell me how we can solve the problem with keeping the integrity of qatar. charlie: you seem to be saying this is a grave injustice to the people of qatar. a humanitarian crisis having to do with food and other issues. qatar happened to have the highest per capita income of any country in the world, because of the size of its population and its wealth. it seems to me you are saying that the way out of this is through washington. that washington has to intervene and use some influence with the

has, especially because of president trump's visit to saudi arabia. is that correct? sheikh hamad al-thani: it is correctsheikh hamad al-thani:, but not fully correct. washington is an important element in this, definitely for all the gcc countries. all the countries have a special relationship with washington. your interference, of course, will help, if it is in the right way. also, as i mentioned, kuwait is doing a good job. there and tryed to listen to what the problem is. charlie: he has visited saudi arabia and abu dhabi? done?t remains to be what is the way out? sheikh hamad al-thani: i believe the way out, if we activate the gcc first of all, because the gcc right now is frozen. charlie: it is not functioning.

sheikh hamad al-thani: not functioning. the second thing is the united states, as allies for all the countries in the gcc, they have to stand the same distance from .he problem from everyone if there's any problem, the hesitatingl not be to say if there is a mistake. charlie: including anybody who alleges there is support of terrorism. sheikh hamad al-thani: definitely. we will not be shy from this. it is not our intention and will not be our intention. but you have to show me evidence. if you go to any court today, they need to see evidence. they need to see something to talk about it. everybody is saying we are supporting terrorism or financing. ok, show me one case.

show me anything. case -- you have a charlie: how much financial support are you getting to hamas, who some people and others don't characterize as terrorism? hamas,hamad al-thani: everyone knows we help with electricity in gaza. everyone knows. the united nations knows. the israelis know. in houses that were damaged 2005, we built some of the houses, and we build hospitals, and some other things that were damaged. charlie: in gaza. sheikh hamad al-thani: yes. everybody appreciated that, because that relieves hostility in gaza little bit. gcc countries also pledged

money for gaza in 2005. international conference to pledge for gaza at that time. that is known in public. when you say about hamas, let me tell you a little information. when there was an election in palestine, the first election, the americans at that time tohed us to talk with hamas let them participate in the election, because they want them to be -- charlie: and it was successful -- sheikh hamad al-thani: that's their own problem. if you tell me they are dealing guys froman, the five taliban from the united states, -- charlie: the exchange for the prisoner. sheikh hamad al-thani: also, they are negotiating with the taliban. charlie: and they are still in doha. sheikh hamad al-thani: yes.

this is your request. i'm not talking on behalf of the government. charlie: but they are still in doha, under surveillance. sheikh hamad al-thani: the people know that more than the qataris, where they are and what is done. your people know that. charlie: so was there any of a disruption in the relationship between the united states and qatar before this event? none. so as per as you are concerned, the relationship between qatar and the u.s., because of their base and other issues, was fine. sheikh hamad al-thani: it was just fine, and we believe it will stay fine despite this problem, because i am sure that when the people in washington know the cause, they will be well, this is not exactly like what we had been

told." charlie: when you leave new york, where are you going? sheikh hamad al-thani: i will be here around. i will see some friends in washington for a few days. then back home. charlie: thank you for coming. pleasure to have you. back in a moment. stay with us. ♪

♪ 21-year-old1967, a music fan launched a rock 'n

roll newspaper with $7,500 he's great together for -- he scraped together from a few friends. he called it "rolling stone." in time, it would become iconic. it also became a destination for leading talent, attracting the likes of annie leibovitz. joining me now is the man behind "rolling stone." in addition to being the cofounder and editor, he's the head of the parent group. i am pleased to have both of them at this table. 60 years. stone."ars of "rolling has an amazing journey it been through american culture and politics and personalities.

way back then, what were you thinking? >> i was a rock 'n roll fan. much enjoyment and life it was giving me, i quickly found out i wasn't going to be in a band. but i kind of knew how to do is journalism. i worked on a college and high school newspaper. it seemed like a way in. it was starting to be about something. there was a social purpose as well as high-quality music, and it wasn't just a phenomenon for teenage girls. we started taking music on its respecting what the music was. we were covering that. shouldn, we thought we carry what musicians wanted to say, what they wanted to

communicate with their audience and each other. charlie: like the bible. >> yes. a destination. they respected us from the beginning. they gave us amazing interviews. charlie: returned from a newspaper to a magazine. >> along the way, we changed from the historic newspaper, and along the way, it became more successful. we finally changed the paper quality, then another 15 or 20 years, we added staples. charlie: you're then wife was working with you at that time. >> she was in the founding of it. charlie: how many people? --may be five or six people maybe five or six people, all volunteers. one person had to get hey, because they had a part-time job at the zoo feeding animals. so we started at $25 a week. now, of course, several hundred employees.

competitive salaries. charlie: this is a clip, richard avedon talking about the family album series of portraits he did. you will like this march through history. this was during the 1976 election. award,ies won a national and marked the start of a great relationship. >> this was done for rolling stone magazine in 1976. this is a whole series of photographs. tell me what this -- these portraits are about. there is george bush in 1976. he was the cia director. what's this about? portrait, in i do a have many choices. to be completely subjective, balance subjectivity with objectivity, or completely

objective. this was an election. this was the leaders of the country. bankers, union heads, politicians. it cheaply in any direction is very dangerous. i have no feelings about these people. i have no deep feelings about politicians. charlie: so what are you trying to reveal? >> in this case, i pulled back and let whatever they wanted to show, show. i find it interesting that in 1976, when we were less than 10 years old, that we would have the audacity to decide we would define the american establishment. we would be the arbiter of it. that's ballsy. [laughter] charlie: and those pictures of

george bush and a lot of other we will get to you in a moment. were you born yet? [laughter] the writing, did it have from the beginning, a style to it? or did it come with tom wolfe and people like that? >> we let people who could write well defined their own style. we never try to force a style on them. the reporting,n accurate reporting, writing, and that the articles be about something. that you learn something from them. then you could operate within that range. that suited us very well. we had a number of great styles. charlie: you said you learned what writing could be, and it began to shape the vision for the magazine. roll tape. this is tom wolfe talking about

new journalism. >> new journalism is not really complicated. in my view, it is technical. ,ou use the devices of fiction scene by scene constructions, extensive use of dialogue. dialogue is the most readable thing in prose. another is the notation of status details. that is what people wear, whether furniture is like, how they treat superiors, inferiors. everything that shows how they might stand in life, which i think we are all conscious of. charlie: so you have a keen eye for that? >> i hope so. i think it is so important. the other thing is, this is the most controversial thing in this so-called new journalism, the use of what henry james calls to

view. -- point of view. that is to be inside of someone's head, not your own, as a writer. in someone's head in that scene you are presenting, if you can possibly do it. in order to do that, you have to have interviewed your subject extensively. you have to believe that subject is telling you the truth when the subject says what he was thinking. charlie: all of this became incorporated into the mindset of the magazine. >> tom and i shared this mutual fascination with serious byways of american culture. but tom in my view is the greatest magazine writer in his time, one of the great writers of this time. the work he did his brilliant. it tells a story of the society we lived in and how it has evolved. i was delighted to work with him. charlie: and then hunter thompson came along. hunter was an amazing

personality. fun to be with. again, a great reporter. man on a, a writer, a mission to tell the truth and get to the bottom. great writer about himself. he was always his best main character. but we love and remember was all the crazy stuff he did so brilliantly. place to meeto a ed muskie. but you would meet thompson. charlie: and what about you? all of a sudden, you became part of the scene in terms of the culture of rock 'n roll. well, you have to be on the scene to do the job that i do. and be aware of everything that's going on. that is knowing lots of people and going lots of places. it's fun.

alld amazing access to kinds of people and events, and situations, and concerts. i have been lucky beyond belief. charlie: i want to show you some covers. the first cover, november 9, 1967. there it is. >> that would be john lennon. lister movie called "how i won the war." how fortuitous that john lennon would be our first cover. nothing could be more perfect. originalnext, the offices in san francisco. there you are. >> right. that's my first office. that table. charlie: that table has a relationship to this table. i went tod the story, a party and there was this table, because you had moved to new york. i like the table, not knowing what is meaningless to him.

could buy it, and then you said you'd get back to me. and the next day you said i couldn't, but you knew where i could get one. that's where i found this one. that me show you the next one. you and nick jager in london in 1969. >> we were announcing a partnership. we wanted to publish "rolling stone," in england. an ambitious, naive, wonderful thing to do. charlie: and gus, you were born when? >> 1990. charlie: how long have you wanted to work for "rolling stone?" >> probably as long as i have been working for them. [laughter] i had other plans. charlie: what happened? after i graduated school, i had time. i wanted to learn there to -- worked there to learn something. i had no intention of it turning

into anything more. i think we discussed that. you echoed the same sentiment. it was an incredible nine months. i was planning to stop working. took me out to lunch and ask me if i would run the website. i was honored. charlie: when was this? >> that was about 2013. charlie: four years ago. [laughter] now?hat is your role >> my role is i run the digital operations of the business. i run the digital editorial of the business, and i oversee ad sales and marketing across the country. charlie: so where are you in terms of where the magazine is at its 50th anniversary? >> me, personally? i'm doing kind of three things. i'm enjoying continuing the magazine, and being a part of that, all the excitement that comes with it, particularly the

times we live in now. secondly, i'm looking for new things for us to do, using the brand and what we do to look at the other mediums available for us. i'm very excited about that. helping gus kind of -- he's helping me learn the ropes. i'm sort of watching him take over. charlie: your teaching him and he's teaching you. at what point will he take over? >> i think some point in the near future we are looking at a transition. we are well on the way to it now. we haven't exactly decided the nature of it, but the near future. or the distant future. or the mid-future. charlie: that's pretty exciting. i would think it would be really wonderful to have a son who you thought would be eminently comefied to, early -- early and to learn, and feel a

sense of, this is what your mother and i started with, and we are handing it over to you. you better take good care of it. it's our legacy. i always thought that was capable, but i never thought you would have enough time to learn it. given when he got out of school. -- he and behold, he does surprised the hell out of me and everyone in office. is excellent. for me, working with my son, what a reward. charlie: absolutely. what is the heart and soul of "rolling stone," today? >> i think it's not so different of the heart and soul when it was founded. i think it's about embracing a worldview that was told through rock 'n roll music, and all the things that come along with it. is it a view that is a

companion to rock 'n roll, or is it a view that comes from rock 'n roll? >> i think it's both, really. i think rock 'n roll promoted the view, i think of freedom and independence and stepping to the establishment here it obviously, a lot has changed in the last 50 years, and we have changed in the last 50 years, but i think at our core is the music and what it means and represents to young people. charlie: how have you changed over the lifetime of this magazine? andell, i have gotten older creakier. [laughter] and wiser. but my fundamental commuting -- commitment to music remains the same. rolling stone has been a mission

to me. it started with the mission of promoting music and what it stood for, and it has evolved over time with growing professionalism and music itself. "rolling stone," is having a full-time voice and a national conversation. talking to presidents, talking about the internet -- issues. charlie: you interviewed barack obama. >> and clinton and other candidates. charlie: are you qualified to do that? >> i am a good interviewer, charlie. [laughter] that's why i recognize a good interviewer in you. but i think that we play that role in the national conversation. charlie: that is in terms of national politics. >> yes, but also the culture. charlie: and the culture, how the culture is changing. beculture should always changing. it's designed to evolve and be contemporary.

particularly popular culture. we are always on the leading edge of that. culture,he coverage of you learn so much about what society is about, more so than politics. charlie: culture as part of the continuity of a society. >> and you read what the society is thinking and what people are doing. and who defines the culture? it is great artists. charlie: exactly. do you have any musical talent? >> minor. [laughter] i can sing along with records really well in concerts. i used to play the guitar with gus, but he outpaced me. charlie: at one time did you think you could be a musician? >> i realized i was better at business than singing. >> i didn't want to take guts of this past to be a rock 'n roll star. i would feel guilty to that. but he was obviously so good at this other thing, a skill for

managing people and being a leader. i asked if he really wanted to live the lifestyle of a musician, living in a van. charlie: we just interviewed people, they're tired of the road. you really wanted to make sure, when you knew he might be interested, you wanted to make damn sure. you wanted to load it up as much as you could. >> i wanted to make sure he was comfortable at it and write for it. he demonstrated those things. i never pushed him are making -- made him do something. it had to come naturally. charlie: where will it go? does it continue to do what it does, or do you believe because we live in a different world, of which he's in charge of, it presents new opportunities, new

challenges? >> it absolutely presents new challenges. as anand now exists magazine, but it also has a readership of close to 30 million online and, more than 20 million across social media. wehave more platforms than could imagine to tell stories on, so that's a very exciting prospect. our future is very much in figuring out how we tell the same quality of stories, but in new mediums and on different platforms. ♪

charlie: does rock 'n roll have the same impact today? >> well, yes and no. charlie: as hip-hop and rap? >> i include hip-hop and rap in rock 'n roll. i would say yes to young people. can beain situations, it just as impactful as it was. we saw aneration, perfect storm of having the beatles, dylan, the stones, all working together at the same time, all bouncing off of each other, each one trying to talk the other. it was like in paris when you had picasso and all those artists together. charlie: and the period leading

to world war ii, or after. a very fertile creative area. the same with all these musicians. i think it has evolved just fine. you have powerful music going on today. you have older people still performing at their peak, still on the road, still making outcomes. you have another generation after that was bruce springsteen and bono. extraordinary performance, connected with their times. charlie: i was just in omaha a couple weeks ago. last weekend. we were at the big convention center. it was looking at what's coming up. there it was, paul mccartney coming up in omaha for a concert. still going. >> doing great shows all around the world now. it's wonderful to see. and audiences, not only older people, but young people are still obsessed. fantastic there are music scenes happening. if you look at what's going on

in nashville, country music -- charlie: if the meeting. it has never resonated as much as today. >> we started an entire division called rolling stone country, and we have offices in nashville. it's an amazing scene in hip-hop in atlanta, too. >> although the record business itself is not doing well because it has moved on to other platforms -- charlie: they make their money in tours. >> and music is more widespread and more available than ever.audiences are the largest it has ever been. , itrosses generations crosses generations of musicians. it has more impact than ever. it is a worldwide lingua franca of young people. charlie: it really is. it does cross borders. it is transnational. take a look at this. a picture ofw

springsteen, august 1973. look at this. the cover of rolling stone, there he is, the boss in new jersey. bruce.out out to one of the most compelling, interesting guys, one of the greatest performers in the world, with a social conscience. and to see his show, it is like a rock 'n roll evangelical. of anybodydon't know who taught him. i have never known a performer who gives more than bruce springsteen, and for a longer time on stage. he's exhausted, you're exhausted, but you walk away and say -- >> i had the greatest time of my life. no matter what, it's inspiring. he's one of the people i like the best in my life. charlie: and he wrote a fantastic book. he wrote a really interesting book. take a look at this. image seven.

september 27, 1977, a tribute to elvis. here it is. i'm not sure why you chose that photograph. >> at a photograph i had never seen before. it was not our photograph, it was just floating around. it was him at his golden peak in that image. we moved from san francisco to new york within five days, we had a whole issue planned. he died, and we had to scramble, get this issue out on a deadline. charlie: i am of your generation, and i think elvis presley when he was young, the handsomest man that ever lived. this great sense of a white man who adapted black music. >> and the voice, the voice. one of the best ever. ♪

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