>> from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. charlie: we begin with politics. jeff sessions was before the senate intelligence committee and he was called to testify about is recusal from the russian investigation and his role in the firing of james comey. the exchange was combative and some challenge his version of events and others accused him of stonewalling. >> the american people have had and do notnewalling

want to hear that answers are off-limits or cannot be provided in public. r that it would be inappropriate for witnesses to tell us what they know. we talking about an attack on democratic institutions and stonewalling is unacceptable and general sessions has acknowledged that there is no aces for -- basis for this. >> i am not stonewalling. the policies of the department of justice. you do not reveal confidential communications with the president of the united states. that anysession said insinuation that he was involved in meddling is appalling and detestable.

assess whate happened today with the attorney general? >> it depends on the side of the aisle you're looking at it from. he was asked by both sides what e was in the firing of he had a mored detailed rendition of the terms of his recusal. aided by hismes republican colleagues. he is a former senator and he was challenged by democrats. it really depends on the side of the isle you are on whether or not it was good for sessions.

he has said that he does not remember any additional contacts reiterated that he went back to the confirmation hearing that the supposition that he was not telling the truth was unfair. he lost his temper at one point wyden,bellowed at ron who was asking him hard questions. had an account of events that andnot align with comey's he gave certain answers that did not sit well with the democrats. every time he answered a question about his contacts with russia, there was a qualification. he said, i do not remember, i don't recall, i can't recall

anything. harris said, if i don't give you these, you will later accuse me of being a liar. leaves theial that door open for things down the line. doorie: did he leave a open to explain how the russians did what they did? republicans saying that we should focus more on what the russians did and sessions did not really offer any new information or facts about that and that ended up getting into a "well, we should the focusing on this." democrats alike, donald trump fired the fbi director and we

have to focus on that and ask why. the gravitas around the focus of what russian did or did not do, but -- in terms of the nitty-gritty, there was very little. charlie: robert mueller is now special counsel. >> right. sessions said that he has had no contact with robert mueller and there was a lot of discussion when rod rosenstein was testifying before the that jeffions panel sessions was supposed to appear before and there were questions

about will robert mueller have independence and will that be influence coming from the white house. rosenstein said, i am not going to fire robert mueller without cause and i have to greenlight it. says, i have not been talking to the trump administration about this. i was never briefed on it. how was i supposed to be a part of it? discussionsts of and understandings that could be happening that are not in the written record from around one comey was fired and afterwards with the special prosecutor being appointed. are they taking him and others is thereitten word or speculation that there is more going on in discussions behind

the scenes that are not written down? have senators asking to see the notes and jeff sessions says that he does not deep notes. -- keep notes. it really depends on how inclined the senators are to believe them and the version of events that is documented versus behind theat is scenes. charlie: rod rosenstein said that, if anybody is going to fire robert mueller, it is going to be him. command stops at the attorney general and sessions has recused himself and it is rod rosenstein who functions as the attorney general. even if there is some pressure from the president, rosenstein is the person who has to sign the paper and he says that he

would not do that, unless there was cause. he does not think there is cause to fire robert mueller. he says that he is going to do his part to have the independence looked up that has not stopped a lot of democrats, who want it in writing. there is the ultimate check and .alance on robert mueller as far as the procedures, it has to go through him, at some point. do we know if the president has tapes or not what you mark >> we are still waiting for the president to say if he has tapes will suck the intelligence committee asked for them last week and they gave the president until june 23. president said it might be sometime this week.

charlie: do we know if the president plans to testify and be questioned by whoever would do the questioning? >> we know that the president said that he would and nobody has said that they would try to schedule the president. i am not convinced that they will. if there is value to this, i am sure that we will get to where they decide they need to. spectacle and the controversy and everything else surrounding the testimony of james comey, if donald trump was next in line, it would be mind blowing and i don't think the committees are ready. democrats want this and i don't think the republicans do. that i don't door

think anybody is walking through. >> lots of people have criticized james comey, but has anybody contradicted him question mark >> not so much. a lot of what james comey is saying is based on his impression of what the president jeffrying to drive at and sessions did criticize the decision making process and said there and theen interesting thing that sessions did is said that there was a process where james comey should boente.orted to dana doubtsaying that there is

in the direction of james comey are not finishing the sentence, in terms of what sessions is suggesting. it does leave the door open and sessions can sit in the middle and not be directly contradicting other one. >> thank you for joining us. that in a moment. stay with us. no one charlie: sweeping recommendations would eliminate regulations in response to the 2008 financial crisis. aim at pieces of the dodd-frank legislation and reduces the capital standards where required of banks.

tos is contingent on efforts overhaul the tax code and other initiatives. joining me is steve mnuchin, who i am pleased to have on the program. >> it is good to have you here. tell me what you hope to accomplish with this regulation. >> we are looking at the regulations around the financials and we are focused on the banks and the u.s. depositories and we are focused on the recommendations we can make that drive the growth and, if you look at the banking assets are of the held and we want to make sure that we unlock the regulations

communities.in the isone interesting question that the unemployment is low. we need to fix what isn't broken? people, the of system is working, but for a lot of people, the system is not working. there are a lot of people who have left the labor force because they cannot find jobs and have not seen wage increases. we are focused on sustained economic growth and we said that this is a combination of tax

reform, regulatory relief, and trade. how do you find that allen's? out and we have withto 18 different groups 52 100 people here and we have taken written comments from consumer advocates and regional banks and we try to come back with recommendations and we balanced and made sure that we never put the taxpayers at risk and we made sure that the banking system can be theetitive and that businesses have access to capital. >> you mentioned that this is

important for you. >> other aspects that we have in the report is that we are calling for a review of the community reinvestment act and it is important for banks. theret to make sure that are things that are good for the community and we want to reach out to consumer and housing advocates. we want to make sure that it is not just an exercise. the other recommendation is to wherese certain powers you bring together the regulators and a recommendation we have is multiple regulators looking at the same thing and

for us to appoint the lead regulator to coordinate. it is about sound regulation and proper regulation. >> how would you change the consumer protection agency? >> there is no oversight and we have made recommendations that there should either be aboard that oversees the consumer or the head ofau the agency should be able to be removed at will by the president and we think that the funding blank check.a the president should have the ability to fire the head of the consumer protection agency?

>> the white house should be able to remove the person without cause. there should be an independent board that oversees that. >> let's talk about sequencing the legislative agenda without the president has laid out that health care comes first and then tax reform, regulation, and infrastructure. is ae same time, there been that this may have successful with finding common ground with democrats. >> the president is hard at work on all these issues and some people have questioned whether we should have gone for tax reform first. i have been meeting with the and it has been

30 years since we have had tax to getand we are working something passed this year. >> where does that stand? optimistic that we will get this done. >> we saw the statement of the polls about a month ago. when will we see the legislative proposal? >> the reason we came out with this statement of principles is that this has to be a process where we work with the house and the senate. we are all working and the objective is to get this passed this year. >> many people have referred to the steve mnuchin rule. it is a rule that says that the

tax plan would benefit the highest earners and not the middle class. >> i am honored that someone named a rule after me, with the objective of the president is to make taxes competitive and we and takingg taxes away almost all of the deductions and that is what we are really focused on. >> what about the repatriation of money? know, we have won the highest tax rates in the world and we have a worldwide income that most other countries don't do and we have deferral. our companies leave trillions offshore. we want to leave to a

territorial system and we want to have a system where they bring back trains of dollars and invested here in the united states. ofthe question comes up where the revenue comes from in cutting taxes. your answer is? broaden theing to base. people will have less to duction's. there are a lot of companies that don't pay the full tax rate because the special interests and there are personal people who do not pay the top rate because of the deductions. this is about simplifying the tax code. >> the president had a cabinet meeting and i assume you are there. me and describe that to here is the president describing

that he had the greatest legislative achievement of any president other than roosevelt and each president lavished the extraordinary praise on the president saying that he is the greatest human being they have ever met. was that staged? how did that come about? >> everybody feels the same way and it is the way i feel. it is the greatest honor to serve this country and this president. you have a lot of successful people and we could not be more and sitting cabinet here and working for the president. we all have the same job to make things better for americans. concerned that you general beingney

called to testify before the senate and house intelligence committee? does it concern you? you think that the president is under siege? >> i can tell you that the president works unbelievably thisand he is focused on this. are focused on the investigation will go on, but it is a distraction. question think that the president will come out of this ok? >> the president just got back from a trip up law -- a broad and we signed an important there was anere

effort in the gulf. the president went to israel and the vatican. ishink that the president working harder than anyone i have ever seen before. think that these will take place and we will have a health care bill and tax reform? have otherill legislative achievements? you that we are focused on this agenda and committed to working with the house and the senate to get this done this year. >> thank you for joining us and it was a pleasure to have you on the program. we will be right back. stay with us.

thelie: joe maddon is manager of the chicago cubs, who captured the title in dramatic fashion. he previously managed to the tampa bay rays and he led the team to the world series. are in second place in

the national league and i am pleased to have joe maddon at the table. to be here anded i mean that sincerely. doing?: how is the team >> on and off. we are in winning and losing streaks and we have not caught our stride, but we will. in the previous year, we went to the nlcs. long years and we have been conscious of the mental state of our guys. it is best to reach our peak by august or september. right now is not where we want to be, but it is not bad. coming off of the world series, you knew you wanted to repeat.

>> i wanted to be uncomfortable. i did not want to be complacent and i wanted to play off of the authentic component of our guys. authenticity is a strong part of our players. fans are attracted to our players because of the authenticity and i really want to focus on defense. aerybody loves home runs, but big part of the success last year was defense. i am trying to attack these different concepts. complacent and rely on the authentic component of our nature. beyond that, it is about managing personalities and the human element. we had just played two long seasons and we came back with higher expectations being thrown at us. how do you manage the minds of young players? that is on my mind.

allalk about simplicity and those things regarding the physical part of the game. more important is how we manage the minds. charlie: trust is crucial. >> it is all about trust. i took over the job and i had three things on my mind, building relationships among the group and establishing trust. after that, the free exchange of ideas. relationshipsuild and trust, there is push back with ideas being exchanged. you get an open conversation where people are not just trying to say things to ameliorate your needs or wants. i say, during the game, to trust your guys. hard.that when things get

trust your guys and walk away for the moment. charlie: what is the toughest decision to make? just a daily basis, it is managing your bullpen. there is so many good young o place the right guys out there, it is hard to put them on the bench. manager, ileague think the part of your day that is the most beneficial and difficult is the management of your bullpen, putting the right guys on the right hitters, the right amount of rest, and bullpen usage is the toughest. charlie: that includes one to call them in. >> yes.

for instance, we played against the rockies yesterday and i had one of my better relief pitchers in, but it was unusual and the import. some i thought the lead was important and i went away from normal to game, which we did. sometimes, you go by the book and sometimes, you go away from the book. about knowing your opposition and trying to push the right buttons at the right time. theo came to you he saide the red sox, they did get for him and it gave him time to season.

decision.de the right i was not ready for all of that. i was really impressed with theo and i loved the idea of working with them at that time and boston at that time. somewherei would live close to the ballpark and the family's are traditionally there for you and controversial and tough, at times. i thought it would be interesting. and it putfrancona the wheels in motion for me to get my job and i got interviewed more because of that moment. they did the right thing and i have told them that. charlie: are you like winston churchill, who came to 10

thatng and said everything he had done have prepared him for this moment. >> i love that about him and i was very happy i didn't get this .ig until i was 523 i had gotten to cut my teeth in a lot of different cities been trying a punch of different things that people think are crazy and i saw what works and does not work. i am thankful that it took me this long to get to this point. ted ino much more convic what i do and how i do it. i have no idea how they do it and i could not have done it, frankly. talking about the media

situations that arise that are unique that you have not been involved with before. i am happy that it took me as long as it did to get to the major leagues. >> you remind me of mike at duke. trust and sense of confidence in players and a sense of being able to talk to them about anything, understanding they are humans with motivations and thoughts that either help or get in the way of them being as good as th ey can. >> i don't have rules. the only rule i have is running hard to her space and i want my rs to work on defense. if there are rules, i have the players make them themselves. there are best ballplayers at the more freedom i give, the more discipline i get. guyst the most influential

on the team in a room and we discuss the policy. bulls."d them "the lead bullsould get the lead running in the proper direction and they will direct everybody else. we figure outd travel. that was dictated by our players. you weredid you, when down 3-1, say you could do it? >> they had to see me not panic or change or start saying a bunch of crazy things. charlie: not second-guessing. >> it is easy to do. it happens in life and in our game. finger-pointing is detrimental

in any part of society. of it wasficit, a lot just we were not hitting the a dh who and we have is going to be available again and our pitching was good, at that point. i was not distressed. i thought we had that point and i don't think enough people talked about coming back from 3-1. charlie: when it was all over and they had won, what did it mean to them? >> for the players? the goal is the ring. about that sense of accomplishment as a professional at it, beyond that money and recognition. of beingis symbolic

the best right now. working backwards from that, it was about the family passing .way and my wife the next part is the coaching staff and the money involved when you win is really important. i kind of thought that anytime chicago gets a win, they're looking for the next world series victory. charlie: you say to "do simple better." >> we are always looking for convoluted answers.

i believe in reducing to the most simplistic point possible and i start with the thought of "do simple better." we don't have a lot of plays. ell.one we do, i want run w it is like the packers' sweep. the other team knew was coming and they couldn't stop it. mple better, itm is good. interesting.s better, at doing simple but life goes back to doing basic skills. >> all i ever want to do is harp

on the fundamentals and doing the simple things correctly more often than the other team. you break the team. rthe simplicity -- the simplicity of it. i tell my kids to enjoy the struggle. charlie: enjoy the struggle and think about being uncomfortable and try not to suck. >> we did not suck last year. that was a conversation between david ross and i. the idea is to not embarrass yourself. you do not want to embarrass yourself. so, we kept going back and forth bias and i said, at

the end of the day, this is just about trying not to suck. a giggled and it took of its own that made a lot of money for the foundation. charlie: managing a world series team, being in the major leagues, this is hard. it is hard to be there and many do not stay for 3-4 seasons. to defend thewant everyday major league player. people have to understand how hard it is to play 160 games annually with day games after night games, hot weather, cold omething you are ill, s

is hurting, that is not easy to do. when you are able to play and participate on this level and play well for a long span of time, i have so much respect for that person. years,rage player is 3-4 especially in the nfl with the injury rates.

charlie: you don't know this about me, but i went to the red sox game for spring training. >> they are down in ft. myers now. charlie: i met ted williams and ted williams and i became friends. he was a minor league hitting coach and we had this meeting. gue hittingnor lea coach and i was doing a program that started at 2:00 that ended at 6:00 and he would get up to go fishing. i was his prime time and he knew that and he would invite me out. we would go fishing. it was amazing. he had this whole sense of how

about theared as techniques of the game and he wrote a wonderful look on hitting. aydin read it. i never got to meet mr. williams. i would have loved to. i have had some common friends that i have had conversations with. i am a manager and i am not coaching. i did start out as a coach and i've coached hitting, catching, play,nning, and outfield the whole gamut. it is interesting to get involved in the more technical components of the game. with the mental side of the game and how i can

motivate. have mergedthat you traditional values, like trust, authenticity, with a real understanding of the technology of the game and what we are learning about using a laptop or numbers or data to say things that inform how you see. rooted in this. laptop and they even shall he morphed into numbers. even when i work with the angels, i used to break things ways.em in my rudimentary

there are things that are done with the click of the fingers now. my pocket has analytical information that i utilize. you still have to balance what you have learned from getting in the game with the feel and the understanding of the methods of the game. i do not believe in extremism in either direction. and they rungray away from gray. you have to morph this into things that have stood the test of time and that is what you need to do today. i think that is the right way to be. charlie: how did they tell you? has anyone said you don't have enough speed, hitting ability,

you are going to make it? >> i was upset. i was my second year in minor-league ace ball and doing well. i was sitting around .300. a scout named lloyd christopher he from san francisco and was a contemporary of joe dimaggio and one of the hardest and toughest scouts in the game and said, when are you going to stop playing and star coaching. i hit a home run the night before and lloyd gets in my face and asked that question and i was 22 or 23. it was apparent to others that my tools were not good enough. charlie: it is hard to recognize. >> you need to be a good self

evaluator and most of us are not at a certain point of our lives. i did keep it in the back of my mind and i was released by the angels and went into a couple of independent teams. monthed for $200 for the in my last month and i was commuting in a volkswagen. that is how i existed and i was living in a closet and that is not an exaggeration. that was the indicator that it was time to get out. charlie: what is the hazelton project? >> i went back home to my small and therennsylvania was a disconnect going on between the hispanics and the group that was already there. i went home and i was shocked by what i was seeing and it was a dark and fearful place on both sides. we went to california and i told

myself to keep my eyes open and listen. i thought that we had to do something about this. again, briefly, my concept was that we were pushing away the very people who were going to save our town. they wanted to be there and they families,, had believed in family values and concepts, and just like the italian family i grew up with and the polish family i grew up with. we'll was romanticize those stories from the past. these people have a chance to live exactly how it looked back in the 1920's and 1930's and we are pushing them away because of the same reasons they were pushed away, the different language, the kids were dirty, trouble, crime. we are building a community center to bring people together and we have afterschool programs and adult education programs. we have athletics programs.

we're trying to have both sides come together and understand that, if we do this, it will they have beennd very good to us and i'm going on thursday. cal and billy have been wonderful and have put in the money for the gym. charlie: can i talk a little bit about who is going to be in the world series? >> the chicago cubs. i don't know who the american the challengers is going to be. we are going to straighten this out and i have so much faith in our guys. charlie: is it the indians? >> it could be. they have a similar record and are coming off of the same sort

of season. they are really good and the dodgers have been good. the nationals are doing well, but i have a lot of belief in our guys and the yankees would be a good opponent. we will take on all of the comers. charlie: getting to the world series is difficult. you work all your life to get to the world series. favorite.s one of my charlie: i know that you knew him and he was one of the smart managers. >> he was one of the guys who i never challenged if something was true or not when it came to baseball. if we were sitting right here and my back was to the door, you could feel him walk into the room. he treated me well and he gave

me a lot to hold onto in the brief time we worked together. he is probably the best. players, are they better because of conditioning and everything else? nobody will ever hit the ball better than ted williams. >> he was pretty phenomenal. i think he hit one 490 feet. >> you could argue about the size in the conditioning been better. i cannot tell you about being better baseball players. bigger and stronger athletes, i will give you. >> the conditioning is different. >> guys used to come to get in shape and these guys come to spring training in shape. there is better methods and nutrition is a big part of this.

nobody would talk about whether or not it was good to smoke a cigarette or not or how much whiskey you drink in a night. that wasn't part of conditioning and it now is. charlie: they have trainers and dietitians and people who work on your head. joe: we control the food in the clubhouse and on the road. we have all kinds of things. whatever you need that we think will make you better, we have it. when you walk in, you want to live there. it has everything you possibly want. >> it is tough to be at the ballpark on a nice sunny withnoon and see somebody exquisite skills do things that you know you can't do but could imagine doing it because you

have played the game. sportnot like watching a that you never played. it is seeing people do something you did as a kid with skill, passion, and love. >> this is fly there is a lot of critique. everybody has played it somewhere. everybody wants us to punt all the time and everybody wants a two handed catch. when it is works necessary and it is a one-handed game and not a two-handed game will step these are things that you get taught by your dad that you try to push your players in a different direction on. >> have you written a book, are you writing a book, will you write a book? >> i have not done that.

frankly, i want to wait to see of people are actually interested. i'm still writing this book, i think. i think it's good take a lot of time. i don't want this to just be something haphazard just to make a couple of dollars. i have no interest in this part of it. if i did it, it would have to be a sincere effort to tell you what i think. >> thanks for coming. >> it is great to see you. >> like you for joining us. see you next time.

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