♪ >> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: we begin this evening with health care. president trump's ambition to repeal and replace the affordable care act was dealt a significant blow last night. ,n a surprising turn of events mike lee of utah and jerry moran of kansas came out against the bill. their defection left gop leaders at least two votes short of those needed to begin debating the bill. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell conceded that his party's efforts would need to take a new direction. senator mcconnell: we will have to see what happens.

we will demonstrate that republicans by themselves are not prepared, at this particular point, to do a replacement. and that doesn't mean the problems all go away. you will have to look at our committee chairman and their ranking members. if the suspicion is there will be hearings about the crisis that we have. is jerryjoining me seib and david leonhardt. david, let me begin with you. where are we? what is likely to happen next? this is a huge defeat for the republicans. the bill looks like it was dead in the house but came back in past. this is a huge defeat. mitch mcconnell can't get 51

votes for a health care bill. what that probably means is the republican party will turn the page on health care and look to a budget, look to tax reform. at least, for the time being, the efforts to get rid of obamacare seem to be dead. that, that they do means they go to the 2018 elections having failed at one of the things that they talked about doing for the last seven years. jerry: which is why one of the things mitch mcconnell was talking about, having a vote to repeal obamacare but that is a double-edged sword. it would please the republican base, but it would also force some of his members to cast a vote that could come back to honda them in 2018. there is not a good winning scenario here that i can you that maybe this allows both the white house and republicans to move on to something they will find much more enjoyable. tax cuts. this increases the incentive in the urgency of them to succeed

on that one because they have to have something to show in 2017. charlie: what divided the republicans in the house and the senate over health care? jerry: the fundamental problem was -- let's be honest. they did not expect to win the white house so they spent the campaign talking about repealing and replacing obamacare without having to come to terms with the tough nugget, figuring out which you can agree on. it may come to power and have control of everything but they never resolved the internal debate between movement conservatives, populists, mainstream conservatives, and moderates about what that means. : for it apart because --ological conservatives populists were not happy with what it could do with working-class voters. charlie: in the meantime, david, what was happening on the ground

for people who were watching what changes might be forthcoming? david: people became very alarmed, including a lot of republicans, independents, and for people who were watching what changes might be voters that saw that these bills were going to hurt them. this is a case of reality coming home to roost. as jerry was saying, when republicans were out of power, they could say things about obama that were not true. it was socialism even though a combined conservative and liberal ideas. that they had to turn the talking points into legislation and they were unable to do so in a way that kept 51 votes in the senate because all of their plans would've done enormous damage. they never really tried to come up -- there are conservative approaches to health care. but they never tried to come up with that. as a result, they were not left with any kind of -- all of the experts, none of them thought it

was a good idea. it raises the question i never quite understood the answer to. is there something democrats and republicans could come to and say, look, obamacare is not perfect by a wide margin. let's try to fix it so you republicans can gain credit for changing it. democrats will maintain some of the support they had for things their constituency believed in? isid: on the substance, it eminently possible and still possible. every legislation this country has passed needed fixes down the line. obama care needs significant fixes as well. the problem is, the republicans demonized obamacare so much during the course of the campaign, they had to try to get rid of it. but fixing the flaws in the program and doing a bunch of things remains entirely possible today. charlie: do you agree with that? jerry: i do.

there might actually be bipartisan conversation breaking out. there may be no other choice. do some modest things to stabilize the insurance act changes and don't throw out the popular things, trimming the edges on other ones. reporters spotted senators from both parties having conversations on the floor of the senate about the scary thing. mitch mcconnell has told his caucus for weeks that if we can do this on her own, you will have to bite really hard and have conversations with chuck schumer, the democratic leader in the senate. a.b. this takes you to a place where some more modest steps can incrementally improve the system. rahm emanuel used to be the chief of staff and said, people should stop trying to hit home runs in health care. someof singles -- hit singles and doubles. everyone who tries feel the

pain. saysie: president trump don't do anything and let obamacare collapse under its own weight. is that likely to happen? if thate also said happens, i won't on that problem. a lot of people don't think that will be true anymore. we are six months into the trump thenistration and if collapse of obamacare produces a huge disruption in the inserts market -- insurance market, is a good chance republicans on that problem. we may have passed that inflection point. charlie: any winners? plus: i think the 20 million people that would have lost health insurance. this wasn't just a political spectacle for them, it was real life. and in the relative scheme of things, you saw a small number of them. , my disableds child will lose services. that has cancer

will lose services. you have the advocacy groups for cancer, diabetes, heart disease, lung disease, and the groups i mentioned before, the doctors and nurses, come out against this bill. it would've had really damaging real-world consequences. and the fact that it failed for now means that there are a lot of winners. you can even argue the republican party in the long-term is the winner because passing this will would have done so much damage to the country that it ultimately would have done damage to the republicans. of the: is the idea expansion of medicaid a winner? peoplei was one of many who was surprised at how politically popular medicaid ended up being. democrats have been insecure about it because it is a health insurance program for poor people, in part. not totally, but in part. inturns out republicans kansas, west virginia, they ended up being afraid.

they ended up being afraid of cutting medicaid. obamacare has two main parts. the private insurance market that the trump administration wanted to collapse -- that if the trump administration want to collapse, they could. in medicaid is more popular than even its supporters expected. when democrats next control government and they want to expand health insurance even further, they may look to medicaid rather than the private markets to do it. storiesne of the hidden is that there are out across the country, a whole list of republican governors made the the toughnd that made decision to expand medicaid under obamacare. they did not want to roll that back. they did not want to walk across hot coals. -- inrepublican governors many ways, that is a big factor

in the demise of the repeal and replace effort because the replace would've rolled back that expansion and governors did not want to go there. charlie: this was becoming self-evident that you can't give people something and then try to take it back. it is also true obamacare has big problems. if you go back to the conversation in 2016, hillary clinton was a college and there were big problems. insurance markets were not working as expected and she had a plan to fix it. charlie: and premiums were going up. we canyou can't say that ignore those problems. it democrats and republicans can't say that. charlie: i think even president that? --ld ignore acknowledge that? david: medicaid is working better than the private market. that?there is a funny situation the democrats, when passing

obamacare, leaned heavily on the private market in part to get republican vote. they didn't get republican votes even though they included the private markets. and now the peace with private markets isn't working as well and isn't as politically popular, arguably. the lesson is, the calculation were they expand the private markets is a losing bet. in the future, you will see them expand medicare and medicaid, which are both popular and appeared to be working better than the sort of jerryrigged public-private systems. charlie: what kind of system does canada have? you will see someone talk about universal health care and single-payer seems to have more at least conversation then it has ever received before. we do. canada has a system well to the left of our system. it is a single-payer system. i have a hard time imagining we will move to a full single-payer

system because it would mean in norman's disruption in which everyone that gets service through their employer has to change. all the people who work for private insurance companies go out of work. but you can imagine something that moves toward canada without actually going there in which you have a system with a bandit medicare and medicaid. it government plays a bigger role as a payer. it you still have private insurers playing a role in that market. i would insurance plays a substantial role in the medicare and medicaid programs. charlie: when you look at the future, in terms of the kinds of things -- what, beyond the medicaid expansion, was valuable about what president obama did with the affordable care act? i think david referred to this earlier, the insurance exchanges were originally a republican idea. a conservative idea. i think there is value in that, but the marketplace is very complicated. that will have resonance.

the idea that you should be able to stay on your parents insurance policy has become universally accepted as a good idea. both parties will have to figure build on.pieces to i think the democrats are also at a point where they will have to make some tough decisions. the pressure is going to be, let's just move all the way toward the single-payer government run health care system. that is where the pressure is and democrats will have to ask themselves, will we resist that pressure and move more incrementally adjusting the current system? a be a plan is popular with the democratic base, but it will scare a lot of people. charlie: and the republican part of this, no agreement in terms of where they want to go? david: that is what we have learned in the last few months. there are some people that hold out hope that there will be, one more time in the next few months, this will come back to the senate and will put it together and still make this happen.

i don't think very many people believe that. maybe republicans do have to step back and figure out what it is they really can agree on and what they can't agree on. charlie: how quickly can they do tax reform? jerry: i think they will pivot as fast as humanly possible. i think that this complicates tax reform. behind theidea sequencing -- one of the ideas behind the sequencing is to clear out a lot of money by rolling back medicaid and changing the tax incentives under obama care that it be used to pay for tax cuts, lower corporate tax rate. s. that is not on the table now, so they have to figure out how to do tax reform without health care first. charlie: you both have been influential journalists in washington at the wall street journal and the new york times. give me a sense of what this looks like. not only the legislative

failures, the failure to achieve the primary -- of course, we haven't heard a lot about the wall. .e know about tpp but that was not going to pass anyway. probeme time, the russian continues to have embarrassing revelations, now for the family. the president of the united states is an extremely powerful person in any circumstance. president trump has had victories. the confirmation of neil gorsuch in a very conservative supreme court justice. a bunch of consecutive actions to combat climate change. but you are right. list,ou put together the the legislative failures which stands in contrast to every other recent presidents that did .ake progress early on even bill clinton got the really important budget deal that raised taxes and helped lead to

the bond market rally. and look at the approval ratings late in hiseform first term. you look at president trump's lack of legislative a couple insurance. legislative accomplishments. rate at which members of his own party are willing to buck him. i do not think that we have seen a first six months of presidency in our lifetimes that has been less than is full -- less successful. republicans have to ask themselves, not just the trump white house, but republicans -- are we really capable of governing? some republicans tell you we are better off as an opposition party and we have to change

that. but that is on the congress and not the white house. this becomes very crucial for the white house and republicans. they have to get some things on the board. maybe it is tax reform. have to end the year with legislative accomplishments. and i think the white house is going to have to figure out the strategy for dealing with the pressure probe in the midst of all that. create ahey need to clear separation between the president and the governing part of the white house. control, moving down those simultaneously. it hasn't been very effective. that you're out how to separate scandal management and put some things on the board. do either of you know an answer to why the president is so resistant to this probe? is something damaging to him, whatever it is?

basically, you give no quarter when you're under attack. is that because there is something working in the shadows? or because he's afraid that not finding -- fighting everyone is a symbol of weakness? is either something is bad there or trump knows no style. that old mccarthy lawyer, to fight every step of the way. is what youid, this said earlier in the paper. is, whatever your believe, nourish your political sold during this period. that so, remind yourself not every issue is straightforward. look for an issue you find difficult and nuanced. it can also be an economic issue, a social policy, or a matter of foreign affairs. don't just look for ideological

ammunition. those searching for trade-off and uncertainty. above all, consider changing your mind. what produce" what produced that? feel: a lot of people exhausted by this current era. i'm an opinion columnist so one of my jobs is to write my opinion. i have been very alarmed by this whole health care effort. i've been alarmed by climate policy and so many things from this administration. i just realized that politics isn't all about brute force. it's not all about fighting. i think it is important for people to remember that democracy is also about inquiry. it's about debate. i will spend this summer grappling with issues i find hard. ways in which my own views might be hard.

i encourage readers to do this as well. not everything is one big fight. think we are finding out something about trump voters that we did not know until some of these issues came up. something that is not negative at all. something more about them. doing we have been pulling from trump country. trump voters. one thing you learn, a fair amount of them don't agree with the approach on health care or agree with what he did on climate change. they think that he is a change agent. he's the biggest change agent they can see. that's important to them. is not of the reasons he succeeding his washington is a hard place to change. there is a sign he is effective. they think he's fighting for their jobs when he strong arms american companies. they see that as proof he's going to washington and fighting

for our jobs. those are still very powerful things. they get lost in the debate about policy prescriptions and policy legislation. trump voters are still very much in there. charlie: we will be right back. stay with us. ♪

♪ charlie: steve bannon is one of the most divisive figures in american politics.

a harvard business school graduate with blue-collar roots and was the driving force behind the right wing breitbart news website when donald trump appointed him the head of his campaign. widely credited with crafting president trump's populist message and helping guide him to victory. it tells the story of bannon and his unlikely partnership in the new book "devils bargain." welcome. in the new york review of books that i just saw. it is a testament to the adroit balance -- we are not certain which of the two figures has sold the bigger part of himself to the other. in the broadest sense, they are co-authors. i think that's exactly right. the point of the book is to go back and answer the question everybody still wants to know about donald trump. how did he manage to get elected

when all of us did not see it coming? i had covered bannon, breitbart, this populist uprising. this is how the two men -- josh: tell us the story. met in: trump and bannon 2010. it has this wild background. -- bannon has this wild background. ,oved on to goldman sachs opened a boutique investment bank in hollywood. financing and cutting hollywood deals. and like so many people on the money side, he wanted to go to

the creative side. he had this deep almost sublimated conservatism that he hadn't really shown at harvard and goldman sachs. once he started making movies, he gave full flower to that. he made a documentary about ronald reagan. a late conservative publisher and provocateur. bannon became infatuated. his ability and his power to control the media narrative to help shape stories and what kind of news was covered. the thing bannon admired most is that he had apprenticed with had thedge and almost ability to see stories and shape them in the mainstream media. never by thes

fascist propaganda filmmakers, consumed with this idea that if i can learn these skills and harness this power that andrew breitbart has, i can shape the world in a direction that will advance my political goals. charlie: his political goals were? josh: they have always been the same. to push for a kind of hard right populist nationalism. from orthodoxinct movement conservatism. his critique of that kind of conservatism is that it is globalist. his great pejorative phrase. that it serves the interests of a global financial class that is more interested in making money and sort of erasing national borders, tearing down cultural identities than it is serving the ordinary working-class

blue-collar people that bannon thinks is the backbone of the country and ought to be at the center of our politics. bannon's prescription for doing that is to tear down the mobile free trade system. to close america's borders. ,o deport people here illegally and curb illegal immigration. is this different from what pat buchanan argued way back when? josh: i talked to bannon about this months ago. isn't he or forbear or? -- forbearer? yes and no. buchanan is a deeply traditional catholic. but he said the big difference is that buchanan isn't enough of a zionist.

i am a big zionist, and therefore, we don't see eye to eye on those kind of things. charlie: when does donald trump come into the picture? josh: trump comes into bannon's picture in 2010. that is about the same time -- that is when they met. through a longtime clinton activist named david bossi who was very central to a lot of bill clinton scandals and in the 90's.s he was formerly chief of the government oversight committee who pursued bill clinton more aggressively than republicans in congress. he knew bossi from conservative fringes. trump, at the time, was getting serious about running for politics. and trumput wynn

weren't close. charlie: they sued each other -- josh: they sued each other. they hired detectives. and after, they became friends. wynn calls over donald trump and says, i want you to meet my friend, dave aussie. you probably have heard of him because right at that time, bossy's group had just won a supreme court case, citizens united versus the fcc. his stock was trading at a high and trump was very impressed with that. trump is very impressed with status.

trump towering to to tutor him on politics. one day, bossy said i went to the come along and introduced him to donald trump. charlie: what reaction did they have to each other? josh: according to the people i talked to about trump's orbit, they immediately clicked. isy clicked because bannon someone who knows money and wall street, but also somebody who has worked in entertainment, cares about it, and speak the lingo. that is full of political ideas. trump really was getting serious about running for president. the ratings ofst the apprentice, but he really wanted to be president. charlie: was he looking for a pass to the presidency? josh: he was. charlie: he was a democrat, a

republican, everything. josh: what he wanted to do is get to a position of power. i tell the story of the political career in 1988 when he first started talking about this and touting himself as a presidential candidate. the stream that runs through all of his political evolutions whether he's republican, democrat, or independent -- he has populist impulses. he talks about free trade, how america is getting ripped off by wiley foreign competitors. in the 80's, it was japan. now it is china. recognized, in bannon, someone who shared his general political out look. but had a very fully formed politics that mashed comfortably -- meshed comfortably with trump's own. what steve bannon added to donald trump's political persona was to convince him of the power of illegal immigration as a

political weapon to wield in a republican primary. to build a base and to take a base away. they weren't serving the needs and desires. charlie: using language that was more strident and going to a position further right than they were? there was a documentary called "border wars" where he went down to the border and had a visceral sense for the emotions that illegal immigration stirs up. just the anger and the anxieties. bannon's dark talent as a political strategist is recognizing and exploiting that kind of thing. that is something that he injected into trumps political persona.

trump, being the intuitive politician he is, started testing out this material at rallies. he started talking about the wall. you could see he was getting a reaction from these grassroots voters and he kept going with it. it wasn't immigration that got him started, it was obama. it was birtherism. josh: who gave him that idea -- charlie: who gave him that idea? josh: as far as i can tell, trump hit on this one on his own. for those that aren't familiar, it was the false claim that barack obama was not born in the united states. maybe he was born in kenya and was a secret muslim. it was one of these lunatic conspiracy theories that circulated. i don't think trump believes it. an opportunist. about most issues and especially

about politics. looking back, knowing what we know now, it's pretty clear what trump was doing. he was preparing to run against barack obama in 2012. the way we know this, trump's style when he wants to take someone on is to diminish them, belittle them, humiliate them. and what could be a more powerful weapon then to go after the race of the first black president of the united states? speaking to stone and some other people, trump really wanted to do it and he saw that when he started this birther to work on the view and would go around and keep saying this over and over, republican voters responded. inmp was leading the polls 2011 after going around and talking about this stuff. he understood the power this kind of animosity could give. i think he abandoned the effort

in 2012 because he was humiliated at the 2011 white house correspondents dinner. he had a head of steam, goes to the correspondents dinner in april of 2011 and gets absolutely ambushed. not just by the comedian seth meyers, but by the president of the united states himself. obama's remarks were devastating. he sat there in humiliated trump to his face on national television. crowning as we find obama has managed to capture and kill osama bin laden. he destroyed -- charlie: found out when he got

back that night, i think. josh: he destroyed any dignity that trump might have had. he humiliated him and reminded the american people at the same time why he is an effective president. here is this clown, out making jokes. i'm going to put him down and humiliate him, and then i'm going to go get the job done and capture osama bin laden. i think the power of that humiliation really sent trump licking his wounds. he ultimately opted against the race in 2012 which is something he regretted even while it was still going on. charlie: he decided to run in 2016. josh: stone, his long-time adviser, he calls him up on new year's day, 2013. roger stone calls trump to say happy new year. trump tells him, i just went and trademarks the phrase "make

america great again." he knew at that moment that trump was going to go ahead. i covered what unfolded over the next few months. you can see over the course of those few months, trump morphing from a guy talking about birtherism to a guy that is the full-fledged anti-immigrant zealot that we soon came to know. anti-trade, anti-immigrant. it's about the time he came up with the border wall. his staff came up with the border wall. charlie: the question, why should we be protecting people? it was self-interest first. the peoplelaying on he was trying to win. they were resentful of the establishment.

yes, of the establishment. the immigrants that were coming in and they thought giving benefits that rightly belonged to them, they were displacing .hem they were intent on coddling foreigners more than they were their own citizens. the understand the power it could have. that's when trump flipped the switch and turned it on. ♪

charlie: most of us, during the campaign, when manna fort was out, and- manafort was steve bannon came in, most of us were surprised. you are saying he was always there. he had always been an informal adviser. there were several key moments before steve ran and came aboard. when bannon played -- before steve bannon came aboard. trump announced his candidacy. he came down the elevator and gave this each calling mexican immigrants drug dealers and rapists.

uproar.e was this paul ryan criticized him, jeb bush criticized him. the ordinary thing to do is to apologize or revise your remarks. to make some show of the basement. not only did he double down, steve bannon went and organized trumps trip to the laredo border. , he was --he trip .hat is the mindset charlie: how powerful is he today? josh: not as powerful as he once was. bannon is a propagandist at heart. .e is good at messaging

galvanizing a certain kind of dispossessed voter who hasn't felt like they had a place in american politics. it is a real talent. elected yourump need an entirely different set of skills when you wind up in the white house. both of them have one speed. this need to dominate their opponents. to come in throwing haymakers and be aggressive. couple weekse a into the transition that they were going to pursue a shock and austria at it you would blow up the washington establishment and impose trump's stamp on the american government the way he put his stamp on a trump tilting.

the world doesn't work that way. you saw this began to backfire. a protest in the streets, federal courts knocking down the travel ban. quickly, the trump administration kind of came off the rails. a lot of people in the white house were very unhappy and .lamed steve bannon for that charlie: when people realized bannon had a great influence, they knew he was a nationalist. some thought he was a racist. is he any of those things? is he all of those things? his core beliefs, i tell the story in the book of bannon's intellectual guru who century frenchth

intellectual that practiced colt is him and freemasonry. muslim. became a he is the godfather of a religious philosophy. promoting a traditions also known as perennial is him. philosophy, it says that all of the ancient religions have a unified spiritual core that was delivered to mankind in the earliest ages of the world. we, in the west, lost our connection to transcendence to god. and what traditionalists want to do is to get that back. bannon, who is a very conservative catholic believes this. and this is what shapes his worldview. there was a lot of talk in the

campaign. trump and brandon moore gesture return to the more a's and ethics of the 1950's and 60's. opposed to modern i.t.. -- modernity. charlie: we often use it in terms of some of the schisms. josh: it has had a real influence on 20th-century politics. ideologists were influenced by the traditionalist. . i don't think trump knows this or cares about this. --doesn't know anything

certainly doesn't know anything about french physicist -- and thereby destroying free trade, break up the eu, undermine what he considers globalist politicians like angela merkel and reassert this american identity. he thinks that is the path back. it sounds like a bannon reads a lot and is someone that cares about books. trump doesn't read at all, to understand, what is written about him. he is a child of television. he says he gets everything he knows from television. understanding using media but is essentially informed by books. that is exactly right. i think that is part of bannon's appeal to trump. a deeplyart, trump is

insecure man who wants the approval of powerful people. what bannon did for trump is to and give itimpulses a respectable intellectual framework. youon used to say to trump, are not a joke or a punchline. you are part of a global populist uprising we see sweeping across europe and great written. the same forces that led to brexit. remember when trump was losing all the polls? who did he march out ahead of him? nigel farage. trump said we will be brexit times five. as aie: he saw it movement, what happened there is exactly what i believe in. ride the forces of populism and nationalism.

he praises the leadership of brexit. believes he is, in part, responsible for brexit. one of the things bannon did it the model following of a traditionalist who believed the path back to enlightenment is to convert small pockets of important people. bannon to that model and started the breitbart in los angeles, rome to influence the vatican, and london. charlie: and found people within the church. and in breitbart in london, he was a platform for nigel farage and a u.k.. me after the election, i don't think brexit would've happened without steve and an end breitbart.

-- steve bannon and breitbart. where is he?rumps univers in trump's world, you are always rising or falling. the innert out of circle by kushner, by cohn, some of these people that disagreed with him when he proved not to be effective. but the russia scandal came along and all of a sudden, a lot of people in his inner circle and his own family are embroiled in very serious scandals. charlie: and a fight for survival. josh: a scandal that trump himself inflamed by firing james comey, the f ei director. -- the fbi director. charlie: advised by jared kushner to do that. josh: that is what my white

house sources tell me. that steve bannon had warned against it. warned against firing comey. what broadband and back is that just before trump left for his foreign trip in may, attorney general jeff sessions had recused himself. rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, decided that they needed to impose a special counsel and chose robert mueller. a very serious man. a real threat to the president. if he's done anything wrong -- it only happened because he fired comey. i think trump awoke to the danger that the russia probe posed to him. he sent bannon back from saudi arabia to try to stand up some kind of outside legal war room to fight harder.

he knew that the lawyer from the campaign, when they were fighting off these accusations from women who said that trump had groped them. bannon and the lawyer knew each other well. charlie: this is what is interesting to me. the person trump seems to admire the most is james mattis. general mattis. he has given him the most power. he can make decisions on the battlefield and getting praise .rom military strategists josh: i would go a step further and say, veneration. whenever trump was in trouble, he would surround himself with generals.

when he was finally forced to apologize for the birther slander. he calls the very strange press conference in his trump hotel, surrounds himself with all these generals. they wanted the visual of trump surrounded by x generals because it would project strength. he gave this rambling talk about how great trump was and at the very end, he said and i no longer believe obama was -- i accept obama was -- and trump hustled off the stage. charlie: at every stage in which , he seemsin trouble to go back to the base. is that the influence of bannon? josh: i understand why it was covered the way it was.

to do something that trump , the kind ofto do pitbull that will go out there and fight for him no matter what. that is what donald trump wants the staff to do. it seems like people fall out of trump's orbit, but never forever. roger stone was in and out, and trump still calls him. one of the things that bannon did to prop up this legal team is to reach out and try to find a model for what trump should do. the model he landed on is the lenny davis model. done tol clinton had try to protect his

administration from the whitewater probe. at every stage, exactly. and was also a lawyer and very good at doing this on television. bannon thought that is what trump needs. it doesn't seem to be working out well. i talked to davis for the book. he said the number one thing trump needs to do is to tell everybody you need to get all of this out. .eveal everything' it rip off the band-aid and know what it is we are dealing with. for whatever reason, trump and his family do not seem inclined to do that. why andeems to know there is another story that pushes this further and further. meanwhile, robert mueller and his team of investigators are looking into this. ,"the devil's bargain and the storming of the presidency." thank you for joining us.

see you next time. ♪

♪ betty: new highs on wall street areas what is set to spur the gains in asia. winning policy statement from japan and europe area yvonne: a rocky start at the u.s.-china talks. washington slams china for its trade, both declined to comment. betty: trump tells congress to delay the repeal and replace of obamacare. yvonne: elon musk looks at passenger trips into space.