♪ from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: welcome to the program here at we take note of a story we will have more on tomorrow night. north korea has more advances in nuclear capability and president trump fired back saying we will unleash fire and fury if they endanger the united states. korea us notnorth make any more threats to the united states. they will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen.

charlie: the warning follows a threats of retaliation for u.s. sanctions. in reports today, the north has passed the key whilst on on the path to becoming a nuclear power. believed that the north has created a nuclear warhead that can fit inside its missile. begin with david martin. david: if the assessment by the pentagon defense intelligence agency, is accurate, north korea has crossed a crucial, but not the final threshold that can threaten the american homeland. president trump warned him jump in -- kim jong-un and the starkest terms possible. pres. trump: he has been a very threatening beyond a normal statement. and as i said, they will be met fire, fury, and frankly power. a year ago, kim jong-un

showed off a device he said was small enough to fit on top of a missile. there is enough plutonium and highly enriched uranium to build dozens of nuclear weapons. twice last month it launched missiles high into space which if they had been fired on a lower trajectory could have reached parts of the u.s.. but yet, north korea has yet to demonstrate two different technologies. nosecone that could buffer --reme heat and protect the and the guidance system that can steer it accurately toward its target. without that, north korea does not have a workable nuclear weapon. but intelligence estimates they could have a workable nuclear weapon as early as next year, a

full two years earlier than forecast previously. estimates turned out to be wrong --we learned the hard way combined with the president's --rong words >> david mentioned the u.s. bombing of hiroshima, is the president threatening something worse than that? rhetoricent trump's sounded a lot like a speech that harry gave after the u.s. a bomb strike at hiroshima. now accept ourot terms, they can expect a reign of terror from the air, the like of which has never been seen on earth. and power as they have not yet seen. wassked if the president

looking toward war, counselor kellyanne conway told reporters there was no point in explaining. kellyanne conway: the president's comments are strong and obvious. >> the standoff has been impaired to the most dangerous cold war standoff -- it is the most dangerous standoff since the cuban missile crisis. this is something that could hit us and our allies and is under the control of a rogue nation we suspect would use it. the u.s. was open to negotiations -- >> we are trying to convey to the north koreans, we are not your enemy. we are not your threat. the president ignored policy on sensitive north korea information. satellite imagery of north korean missiles something this response from ambassador nikki haley. can't talk about anything

that is classified and if that is in the newspaper, that is a shame. joining us is my chronicle of nbc. is it isonly hope darkest before dawn. they are in bad shape. there have been parties and worse shape in washington, but they are in bad shape around the country. the republicans control 34 governorships, 68 of 99 state legislatures. it is a party that doesn't have a very good or in club now. ideas matter. a have to develop a better message. charlie: we continue to look at the film "good time," we talked to robert pattison -- lonely person. loneliness has hit and he doesn't know how to process it. the only thing he has is a sibling, and that is it.

the rest of his family wants nothing to do with them. he is completely -- he doesn't want to love his brother for his brother. he just loves him because it is his. charlie: we conclude this evening with a remembrance of glen campbell, he died today at the age of 81. we talked to "rolling stone" ofazine and -- the anchor abc news. >> he had a clear tenor voice, but all of this emotion behind it. and you could hear the sadness in his voice. just -- a -- it was lot of strings and slick music, but the songs were so good. charlie: the future of the democratic party, the movie " good time," and the memory of glen campbell.

all of that when we continue. ♪ 200 days into his administration, president donald trump's approval ratings are the lowest in history. to administration has yet hit a single policy victory. a recent poll found that 52% of americans think that the democratic party just stands against trump. party leaders about their economic agenda in a plan called "a better deal." chuck schumer outlined the plan that his party had failed to articulate a strong, bold program for the middle class and those working hard to get there. he bowed they would not -- he vowed they would not repeat the same mistake. is -- joining us is

albert hunt, mike barnicle -- i am pleased to have them here. out, what must they do? l: they are in bad shape right now. we talk about washington -- there have been parties and worse shape, but they are in bad shape all around the country. the republicans control ready for governorships, 68 of 99 state legislatures here at it is a party that doesn't have a very good foreign club now. ideas matter. they have to develop a better message. 2020 is much too early to talk -- next, let's do it year and they have lots of negative stuff to run up against trump on, but they have been totally outdone by the republicans of the last 10 years. charlie: nero? neera: i don't -- charlie: neera?

neera: i don't disagree. the party doesn't have enough -- it has been blocked out of a lot of state legislatures, particularly in the midwest. 36 governors races in 2018, the entire midwest is up. important states like florida, and i think the governor's races will be a critical test of what nots democrats have justified against trump, but to be an alternative. charlie: do you think there is time and we will now see as the democratic party struggles with its identity, program, and a strategy, that we will see a new generation come to bear? and will no longer be the people that have been in the leaders that --and the leadership positions like the clintons and others? neera: absolutely.

it is early to talk about 2020, but i think there will be a range of people and their 40's and early 50's who are themselves to run and who are running. most importantly, for the governor's races, there will be a new generation of people running for those important seats. the ideas that get meted out on the economy and jobs in the governor's races, i think will be more important than the presidential race. i think the health-care debate was a critical one for democrats. it did positions democrats as fighting for bread and butter issues for american families. people saw health care as what it means for them personally. i think that was an important first fight for democrats as they face the trump administration. charlie: mike, when you look at some of these special elections of which the republicans have

won four of them, some think the democrats have run only on an anti-trump program? mike: largely, i think that is an accurate assessment. i think a larger problem for the democrats is they basically have to answer questions individually and collectively as a party, who are you? what do you represent. if you look at republicans that and a lot of the governorships, they run against government. government is your enemy, government has failed you, government has overpromised, government has overspent. a lot of people have but that. and democrats have to get younger. no offense to anyone, but their message has to be more

encompassing. it has to be economic, cultural, social, it has to address things like educational reform, what robotics will do to your job, what artificial intelligence might do to your children's jobs, what is going on in your kids' schools, can you afford childcare, a whole range of issues. they have to be unafraid of that. charlie: why didn't hillary clinton wade into that? everybody knew income inequality was a big issue. caution is not a great thing to have when you're running for president basically the third of fourth time, that's she he was -- that's what was doing. she would have qualified, but a lot of people said -- uh-uh. charlie: you are not the candidate for me, i want something different. mike: yes.

and unfortunately, trump gave them something they thought was different. a lot of it was antigovernment rhetoric. neera: i would disagree a little bit with that which is to say that i actually think donald trump did well with a lot of people who did vote for obama, the fair amount of electorate in midwest states voted for donald trump because they didn't see him as a traditional politician. -- he supported social security and medicaid. you wanted to protect people against the big reason of the market, at least when it came to trade. he was going to be tougher on trade than republicans have been in the past. i actually think that -- mike is right that in the special elections we have had, the message of antigovernment that

republicans have been beenigning on have important, but there are like 20-plus republican districts. i think the issue for democrats is -- i agree with mike. issue is, what do stand for. i think the argument that chuck schumer and others are trying to put forward is the democrat party has to stand with the middle class, with working people, against large corporations that have been -- -- 2.8 term,igging them.g the system against i think we are in the middle of a debate. we believe that jobs are a central element of this. i actually think trump did something different than most republicans, very different from romney. he was not a libertarian candidate. he may be governing like one now, but he said he would have a

better health care system for voters, not a worse one. and so, i think, we have new data that shows abel are actually more open to solving problems, but democrats have to have an answer. was donald trump's a campaign of promises, promises contradictory with a built-in conflict that he couldn't do the things he was promising, because often they were at opposite ends against each other? areas --think in some we saw this when talking to voters afterwards. they like trump. obamaw voters, the voters, white noncollege voters -- they like he sounded like he was against traditional republicans are always four. he was against cutting

entitlements, cutting medicare, cutting medicaid, cutting social security. i actually think -- ultimately he basically said to voters who were struggling, i understand you are in pain and i'm going to do something about it. i'm going to do something radical. i don't like the answer, but i'm going to ban immigrants. i think democrats have to have a better answer for the voters who feel like we are suffering in an economy that hasn't done well for people who haven't gone to college, particularly. think a good presidential candidates -- if we want to jump ahead -- convey a message that they can connect to people. ronald reagan did, barack obama did, donald trump did. it wasn't his position on trade or social security. lord knows, hillary clinton had a 17 point program for every problem that existed in a few

that didn't hear it i don't think it was specific items, i think it is what they convey. i think it was a phony message, but trump conveyed a message of we are going to make america great again, that is what democrats need in the long run. in 2018, everyve off year election, the party out of power is negative and they are usually advantage. thatng up on one point mike made, the optics are important. democrats too often look old. t, becausen ageis that would be against myself interest. we need a little bit less of nancy pelosi, less of chuck schumer, more of kamala harris, cory booker, sup molten -- seth moulton. they don't showcase their young politicians as much as they should.

i think those optics matter. i hope they develop a candidate who can connect to people the way the successful ones have done in the past. the optics are critical. part of the optical problem the democrats have -- if you listen to people when you are walking around is that the democratic party, the party that belong to and voted for barack obama maybe twice, their parents party and their party for years, they now feel that a lot of the national democrats a more attention to the silicon valley than they do to the monongahela valley. they feel a lot of republicans, especially donald trump, in his fraudulent way that he did, are fully -- artfully but fraudulently, he managed to without really saying it, identify with a huge percentage of people who suffered revis losses in 2008 --

grievous losses in 2008 and 2009. a lost jobs, income, retirement savings, their home, many of them. a lot of them put their sons and daughters at risk of losing them in a war that has been fought for 16 years. these are the people, the composition, the basis of what the democratic party used to be and they fled because of optics. neera: i would like to agree with mike. i would say it is not just optics. thatee with the substance is essentially we have had massive transformations in the particularly people who haven't gone to college are bearing the brunt of. the reality is in the united states today that the labor force participation rate, the number of people -- he percentage who are in the labor jobs, youshould have know, that rate is lower for

people who don't go to college denver people who go to college, by a lot. it is basically double. are not in the labor force, it is lower than in france today. i think that is a big challenge for the united states. these people have been suffering. the essential issue is that our it, ournt numbers mask gdp numbers mask it, but if you have not gone to college, this economy has been really tough. income has declined over the past 15 years for those folks. i think trump spoke to them. i think the reality is we have technology, globalization, these are trends creating incredible pressure particularly for people at the low end of the skills situation. and the reality is, we do not -- candidates have not given a great answer as to what to do

about that. i think we really have to think about different answers like public jobs for folks, jobs and infrastructure, jobs and health care, jobs and hospitals, large-scale investments. the current economic debate and the one that we had for the last several years has been pretty limited. radicaltrump put out answers on trade and elsewhere, but at least some people heard at least he gets the scale of the problem. i think it is important for democrats to put boulder answers on the table. tradee: he also defined -- and his argument, trade was about jobs for americans and that is how he sought. -- is how he saw it. neera: absolutely. charlie: your program has a call senate for american progress has called for a marshall plan for america. what does that mean? we have said that we have

looked at the data and as i said, people who have not gone to college have suffered real income decline over the last 15 years, disproportionately out of the labor force. and we looked at the data and saw that you would have to create basically 4.5 million jobs to get to the labor force participantion rate we had in 2000. we have to provide good jobs for people at the lower end of the skill set who haven't had a job in a long time and have been in rural and urban parts of the country. communitiesrts of and neighborhoods that feel like they have been in a deep recession year after year. we have said if you take a quarter of the amount of what spend,nt trump wants to you could put 4.5 million people

to work. charlie: when you look at the upcoming midterm elections in 2018, will there be a national democratic program, or will it be a series of local races? >> i don't think there will be, charlie. and off you are elections, there rarely is. i think all of the rate gains made were basically negative. there was not a coherent republican message in 2010 other than barack obama is a bum. send things with the democrats, anti-george w. bush year it will be an and try -- and anti-trump message. hopefully for them that paves the way for two years later, but in that year, they have to score big gains in the gubernatorial races. i know a high oh, michigan,

florida, wisconsin, state legislative races, or they really aren't one to develop the national cohesion they need for two years later. neera: i actually think governors will run state specific races, but i think this will be at the heart of successful gubernatorial candidate, which is what can they do to ensure that families who are struggling can actually do better and that their kids can do better than they have. that has been the heart of the debate for the last couple of cycles and i actually think people who try to, with an answer and do it convincingly will be candidates who will be successful. charlie: thank you. thank you all, we will be right back. stay with us. ♪

♪ is a new"good time" film. robert pattinson charged as a smalltime criminal who attempts to get his brother out of prison after a bank robbery goes wrong. called pure cinematic pleasure. here's a look at the trailer. brother. you about my i told you about the program he is forced to attend and how he shouldn't be there? >> don't count your chickens before they hatch. do understand that? >> no.

>> something happened. i don't know exactly what. held atother is being rikers island. it could get killed in there. sorry, i just have a client that walked in. >> are we good? >> if you have another 10 grand, you can get out. >> how much money can you get right now? >> come on, bro. >> what you think i'm doing this for? >> i want to get out. ♪ >> don't be confused here at its

is going to make it worse for me. [shouting] >> did you ever do time before? >> is your brother ok? >> i want you to come with me. you are going to love it. now, cane where we are be a lot of fun if you let it. you're going to have a good time. andlie: the two filmmakers robert pattison, i'm please do to have you here. >> it is an honor to be at the table. charlie: this is a step up for you, tell me a sense of how it is and what you hope to accomplish in this film. >> we have been basically on a

highway, trying to make this the that takes place in diamond district, not far from the studio. we have been trying to make a film for seven years and it has changed a bunch. i have a cigar in my house and a bottle of her psycho -- bottle that someone gave me. i think when i die, the cigar will be put in my grave and the bottle of champagne will be poured on the dirt. ultimately we will never find a reason to celebrate, but i think when rob reached out to us and said i would like to do whatever you're doing next and we realized -- charlie: interesting offer. >> it was. and so began "good time" the project. an idea was, ok, we have actor we respect, a movie star,

which will come with an audience to some degree and we wanted to make a piece of popcorn film, but termite art where people can consume and termites will get inside of them and forced their way into your psyche after the movie and make you ask questions, why did this happen? charlie: when you called and said i'd like to make a film with you, what was it about them? you seem to be a big star who likes the idea of winding really creative small roles. robert: i don't know if i'm a big star. charlie: or they may not be small roles, either. of -- i justt kind want to surprise myself and yeah. just finding original material is tough. charlie: what to do think if i go to them, i am more likely to

get the kind of material that interests me? justt: initially it was intuition. i had seen a still from the last film. then i met them and they have a dynamic energy and conversation. i saw the trailer for the last movie and i was just -- i wanted to do something which was kind of electric and kinetic. they are masters of that. charlie: who is -- robert: he is a romantic psychopath. charlie: a romantic psychopath who is panicked? robert: yes. he is having a bad day. he is a smalltime criminal from who -- he gets upset in

big sated with his relationship with his younger brother who is mentally challenged. charlie: he doesn't want to talk about it or recognize it? robert: he doesn't want to recognize it at all. and that is one of the things i loved about the story, an early breaksin the movie he his brother out of his psychiatrist's office. they are in a place where there are a lot of mentally and becausepeople tothe way he is, he refuses a knowledge that the brother could have anything wrong with them, because they share lead. he is a narcissist. -- the sibling, maybe it was because the parents had to give more attention to the other child.

it in rages the sibling. i thought it was really difficult family relationship to have. charlie: i thought this was a film about brotherly love. >> for sure. charlie: is it something else? interesting. when you think that connie is trying to break his brother out of this situation, it overshadows everything else. charlie: he feels responsibility. >> exactly. but in the audience you don't realize he put his mother in that situation. you are moving so fast at his wavelength that you can't stop to be like wait, what is going on, why am i going along with this. -- of the backstory is he was released from prison on good behavior. while he was in prison, like a lot of people who do time, they have -- they adopt like a born or becomeity

extremely romantic in their ideas and they are re-doctrine naked into society and they are not equipped. the penal system isn't designed to rehabilitate anyone, really. we had the former connecticut commissioner, who appears in our movie, who has led the lowest recidivist rate in the country. sad story. he appears in the sequence. connie develops an idea in prison that everything that is holy to him is his brother. his brother represents purity he wants to tap back into. his idea is there going to rob a bank and go live on a farm or ever. he has a scorn for bureaucratic trappings of america. and he doesn't -- he holy disagrees with the idea that you can change the brain from the outside, you can do it through

snares, observation, and .xercises, menial exercises you think that i can change it from the inside -- and the only way to take it from the inside is experience, then i can do some independence in my brother. the idea of that is strong, the execution is questionable. charlie: this is more than a character study. this is a movie with a message? >> in a way. when i say termite art, that is the overarching -- we wanted something you could consume, something that is entertainment first. afterwards you ask yourself why did that happen. why were the only two people in the park being arrested of color? why are women treated the way they are in this movie? what is happening in the end of the movie when we are left with this we areal wallop because being reminded of how the handicapped are treated in this world. >> the fact that you are moving at his speed and hitched onto

connie's point of view and you believe what he believes, but you don't have the time to think about it. it is only after you leave the theater that you can ask these questions and they are important questions. charlie: why he thinks the way he does? >> exactly. reflect something back to people, messages occur here at -- occur. sometimes to get the message across you have to focus on a very civic person. -- a very specific person. charlie: how did you shape him in terms of research, we wanted to see, what you wanted to visit, how you wanted to heal, the character -- how you wanted to feel the character? >> one of the great things is this wasn't in it when we joshed developing it, so

and ronnie would send me chunks of the backstory and sequences. sequences that they sent me over the nine months before i went to start proper read reduction -- pre-production onto even in the movie. i just saw what they wanted to draw from and started to get a voice. people are, because talking about doing an accent and normally you have a script and you try and taste your accent or figure out how to say -- if it was written in a standard american accent, but this, they are from queens. i think it is written in a queens dialect. it is fun to stay in that accent, but in terms of research nny --wef, me and be

spent multiple days improvising in character in the world in the , kind' donuts in yonkers of got jobs at a car wash, which was fascinating. charlie: how many people recognize you? robert: zero. there was a moment as well where we were trying to play out the family drama in the car wash and benny is looking like he is going to start snapping windshield wipers off and throwing whacks at people, and we almost got in a fight there. but nobody had any idea we were two actors doing a bit. >> it felt real. there was a moment when rob grabbed me and stopped me from doing those things, and we were not thinking about the movie. we were just think about being these people. charlie: thinking in the moment.

>> when he grabbed me, i'll most through him against the wall. he felt that, too. it became interim allies. it is not in the movie, but the texture is incredible. it for you are not doing an audience or camera, you feel kind of crazy and you feel there is an element of danger, too, because there is no one watching . you are literally doing it for each other. interesting tos me, it seemed to me if u.s. a director could create that feeling on a set, that is good. >> in developing his country was as was forive or him me. me and my partner spent so much time writing this character's backstory, we realized we couldn't overlook three months of his life. we were trying to show a world that existed in this day and age, this is a plot heavy movie.

we had to know everything about him in the process we write this insane psychiatric portrait of this guy, connie. he is questioning all these details. when he comes to new york, we are sitting with people from fortune society, going on walking tours of local legends and weird petty crimes they enacted and going to jail's. he is going to geils in character, but the character couldn't -- he is going to jails in character, but the character couldn't speak yet. all of the rings were done for his benefit, but they were duly productive. ben: and we wanted to incorporate that into the set we had. one of the feeling -- even though we had permission to shoot at these places, we wanted an element of danger that we didn't necessarily have permission. hopefully it comes across in rob's performance or the texture

of these places. >> have you ever seen a film by john albert? charlie: yes. amazingto cuba, it was year he was the first guy i knew to go to cuba. this is like in the 1970's. life of you ever seen " crime" an hbo film? we saw that downtown. we showed it yesterday and did a una with him. i think people -- a q and a with him. he was in ireland filming a movie and i'm trying to bring sending himo him john albert films so you can see these things and feel these things. youlie: the camera style use, define it for me and tell me what it adds to the movie. >> we have been making feature

films for 10 years and we have been in a closed room like not now, dad. we wouldn't let anyone in. we were making these movies in an adolescent fashion, but we figured they were getting released and we were able to support ourselves with commercials, but we were using features to hone our craft and get deeper into how we want to speak. we developed this a effect with the long lines, well what it does when you are pushing in on someone's personality, someone's soul almost. we got obsessed with it with the last one, and then we thought if we are doing a thriller, we wanted to feel thrilling. we wanted to heighten it. we kept things in close-up a lot and i think it helps add to the tension that the audience can be

feeling. charlie: how did you want to shape him beyond what you saw in text? what were you looking for to create your own image of him? there is definitely -- charlie: part of him is a bad guy? robert: yes. i was always interested in -- you can say you love someone, but it doesn't necessarily mean anything to the target of your love. charlie: was that true here? robert: yes. i think they both -- i think connie has decided -- part of the backstory is they have been a strange for years. fixated on hists brother he hasn't seen for years. he comes out of resident and he

is full speed loving him. charlie: an interesting backstory. idea who he has no is, at all. charlie: he can't see who it is? robert: yeah. he is just a lonely person. he doesn't know how to process it and the only thing he has is a sibling. and that is it, because the rest of his family clearly wants him.ng to do with the q doesn't want to love his brother for his brother, but he loves him because he is his. charlie: when did each of you decide you wanted to be in films? when did you know? were you seven? robert: i fell into it by accident, which i am pretty happy about. because every year that goes by i get more and more invested

into it and i don't think i will ever get sick of it. charlie: invested to try as best you can to master it, knowing in the end you will never master it? robert: yes. it's just that -- i think that the only thing i have ever been fighting against is feeling like an imposter and the fear of -- charlie: do you have any of that feeling? robert: that is literally the only thing i'm ever doing. i find a script, i have one .urst of inspiration and when i first met you, i don't know what you felt, but i confident.rdinarily like yeah, i can do anything. and then almost immediately after it is like i have no idea what i'm talking about, i can't do anything here it i'm just a random guy. and you do get addicted to that

feeling. i don't know. i always loved -- i loved the world. i love people who are interested in telling stories. on a job like this, you are working 18 hour days every single day, everyone -- no one minds. no one is being paid anything. it is crazy. there is no other industry where people are so invested in it. [applause] [laughter] what is interesting, not just in acting, but so many professions, people say they know -- and they are doing good work and they know they are good, but they somehow think they are not as good as they think i am. or they say if they only knew how much i don't know, right?

robert: luckily, most people don't say on that great. say, that was really great. and he would look at us like we are foreigners, we weren't speaking his language. charlie: like you're lying. >> he didn't believe -- robert: i don't know. it.uld be in therapy about what i love about working with these guys, they can charge up a as if youuch it is are playing music or something. you can get lost. most of the time people take so much time setting up another take, so much discussion. it is impossible to stay at the same level of intensity, but i love -- you do another take and it is just rolling the dice. every single time you are

gambling and it feels like anything could happen. that is the fun part. charlie: that is the creative part. >> we want to catch up to the movie, always. we want to feel like this is life or the movie -- the story you created. it is like this subway in new once iny and every while the express train and local train are running at the same time. you can see in and someone will give you the finger or what have you, but that moment, that is like us making a movie. theant to saddle up against local train, or the express and capture it. charlie: congratulations. great to meet you. thank you for coming. >> thank you. >> thank you for having me. charlie: we will be right back. stay with us. ♪

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charlie: glen campbell, the country music legend and six-time grammy winner died on tuesday. he was 81 known for such crossover hits such as " rhinestone cowboy" and " galveston." he had 21 top hits. he had a crystal-clear guitar sound. joining us is senior editor at " rolling stone" writing his first

feature on glen campbell in 2011. how do you remember him? >> extremely kind. i went to a light -- went to al a right after he announced he had alzheimer's and was going on his final tour. he was a nice, southern man from arkansas. he made me feel right at home. charlie: what made "rhinestone cowboy" so popular? >> i think it came after a dark period for him. he was a huge star in the late 1960's. charlie: in 1968 he outsold the beatles. patrick: yes. and that one away and he stopped having hit. rhinestone cowboy he was a comeback for him. it was his mission statement, one of the last songs -- he had trouble remembering that song, which is difficult to know,

because he couldn't remember if it was a radio or rodeo. -- his kids all backed him on that final tour. it was a very family oriented thing. --rlie: and what was his what was he -- when you recognize him for his musicality, what would you say about him? patrick: i would say very sentimental music, music that didn't get a lot of credit at the time. tom petty, he mentioned, was saying it was uncool of the time to like glen campbell, because theas more old to be into beatles, but he would sneak off and listen to that music. clear tenor voice, but he had all of this emotion behind it.

and you could hear the sadness voices voice -- in his and it was just a lot of strings flicked music, but the songs were good. he did songs by jimmy webb. charlie: an excellent songwriter. patrick: yes. he was the first to seeing jimmy webb songs, and excellent talent. i hope more people listen to him now. charlie: thank you for coming. patrick: thank you. i really appreciated. >> glen campbell has lost a very public, courageous battle with the cruelest of diseases here died of alzheimer's, are surrounded by family in nashville your he was 81. >> i am happy to be here. >> glen campbell was country music's first crossover star. ♪ your door is always open ♪ ♪

>> i like a good song. >> you never thought of yourself as a country singer? >> no. agee picked up a guitar at four, he was a natural. he couldn't read music, but he likely became one of the most sought after guitarists in the city. >> you started getting a lot of work? >> yes. it was great. i bought a car. >> one of the great studio musicians known as "the wrecking crew." he performed on nearly 600 cuts for other artists. for brian wilson took off the beach boys, campbell filled in for six months. to getuld have to go on it, and sing his part. ♪ there's a little old lady from

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