♪ announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: welcome to the program. we take note this evening of the story will have more of tomorrow night. the three announced more nuclear capability and president trump fired back saying, we will unleash "fire and fury" if a endangered the united states. north korea best not make any more threats to the united states. they will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen. follows threats

of retaliation for u.s. sanctions and reports today that the north has passed a key milestone on the road to becoming a nuclear power. the intelligence believes north produced a nuclear warhead that can fit inside its missiles. we begin tonight with national security correspondent. if the assessment by the pentagon's defense intelligence agency is accurate, north korea has passed a crucial, but not the final threshold in developing a nuclear weapon that can threaten the homeland. shortly after the news leaked, president trump warned kim jong-un in the starkest terms possible. threatening,n very beyond a normal statement and as i said, they will be met with fire, fury and frankly, power, the likes of which this world has never seen before. year ago, kim

jong-un showed off what he claimed was a nuclear device small enough to fit atop a missile. north korea has already conduct and five underground nuclear tests. the last one, estimated to be twice as powerful as the bomb dropped on hiroshima. it has enough the tony him and enriched uranium to build dozens of nuclear weapons. they launched missiles high into space, which have different fired and a lower trajectory, would have reached parts of the u.s.. u.s. officials say north korea has yet to demonstrate two key technologies. a nosecone that can shade from extreme heat and buffeted from reentering the atmosphere after arcing thousands of miles through seat -- space, and a guide system that can spirit it accurately to its target. without that, north korea does not have a workable nuclear weapon. but the defense intelligence agency has estimated north korea could have one as early as next

year. a full two years earlier than previously forecast. intelligence can turn out to be wrong, as the u.s. found out the hard way with its latest estimate, combined with the president's strong words, leaves little doubt north korea will be did -- the defining test of his abilities as commander and chief. u.s.vid mentioned the bombing of hiroshima. is the president threatening something worse than that? major garrett is at the white house; like aounded very much speech harry truman gave after the first strike at hiroshima. >> if they do not now accept our terms, they may expect a rain of war from the air the like of which has never been seen on this earth. behind this air attack will inlow sea and land forces such power as they have not yet seen. at the present was

looking towards war, kellyanne conway told reporters there was no point explaining. >> i think the president's comments were very strong and obvious. darrellornia republican isaac compared it to the most dangerous nuclear cold war confrontation. >> it represents the greatest crisis -- undoubtedly since the cuban missile crisis. this can hit us and our allies and it is with a rogue nation we expect would use it. >> the president's words contrasted sharp me with rex tillerson's declaration last week that the u.s. was open to negotiations. convey totrying to the north koreans we are not your threat, your enemy. >> mr. trump ignored basic policy on sensitive north korea information. he retreated a report on u.s. satellite imagery of north korean conventional missiles, prompting this response from nikki haley. >> i can't talk about anything

classified and that is in the newspaper, that is a shame. charlie: joining me, mike barnicle of embassy -- msnbc. their only hope is it is darkest before dawn because they are in bad shape right now. there have been parties and were shape in 1975, but they are in bad shape around the country. control 34cans governorships, 68 of 99 state legislatures. it is a party that doesn't have -- now. ideas matter. they have to develop a better message. charlie: continue with a look at the film "good time." talk with robert pattinson and the filmmakers. suddenly hit him and he doesn't know how to process it. the only thing he has is a sibling and that is it.

the rest of his family clearly has nothing to do with him. he doesn't actually want to love his brother for his brother, he just loves him because it is his. charlie: we conclude this evening with the remembrance of glen campbell. he died at age 81. we talked to rolling stone magazine and a portrait of glen campbell from anthony mason. the anchor of cbs evening news. clear tenorvery voice, but he had all of this emotion behind it and you could ,ear the sadness in his voice it was a lot of strings and licked music, but the songs were so good. charlie: the future of the democratic party, "good time," and glen campbell all when we

continue. 200 days into his administration, donald trump's ratings are lowest in history. the republican-led congress has failed to win a legislative victory. yet the democratic party struggles to develop a cohesive strategy. a recent poll found that 52% of americans think the democratic party just stands against trump. party leaders laid out their agenda in a plan called a better deal. chuck schumer wrote an op-ed outlining the plan that his party had failed to articulate a strong, bold economic program for the middle class and those working hard to get her. he found they would not repeat -- to get there. he vowed they would not repeat. me, the president of the center for american progress. in new york, msnbc contributor mike barnicle. i'm pleased to have all of them

here. al, i go to you, first. where is the democratic party and what must they do? >> their only hope is it is darkest for don because they are in bad shape right now. parties and worst shape in washington, the republicans in 1975. they are in bad shape all around the country. republicans control 34 governorships with a switch in west virginia this week. ask the eight of 99 legislators -- legislatures. ideas matter, they have to message, 2020er is much too early to talk about. of negativea lot stuff to run against trump, but they have to develop a party around the country, which they have been giltou totally outt done by the republicans over the last 10 years. i think that the party -- a

little like the republican party during the bush years, but the party does not have enough governor seats, it has been blocked out of a lot legislatures, particularly in the midwest. inre are 36 governor's races 2018, the entire midwest is up, important states like florida, and i think the governor's races will be a critical test of what ideas democrats have to not just fight against trump, but to be an alternative; charlie: do you think there is time and we will now see, as the democratic party struggles with its identity and program and strategy, we will see a new generation come to bear and it will no longer be people like those who have been in leaderships like the clintons and others? >> absolutely. it is really early to talk about 2020, but there will be a range

of people, many people, who are in their 40's to early 50's who are running, who are positioning themselves and running. mostly for governors races, there will be a whole new generation for -- of people running for those important seats. those ideas that get needed out inthe economy, on jobs, governors races will actually be more important for the presidential race that is very far away. debate was are critical one for democrats, it did position democrats as fighting for a bright and better issue for american families. people saw health care in the vein of what it is for them personally. that fight was a really important first fight for democrats as they face the trump administration. charlie: mike, when you look at the special elections that have

been held in which the republicans have one and four, some argue the problems with the democrats is they ran on the anti-trump strategy and not a visitation of how they speak to the issues of concern for the voters in those district. >> largely i think that is an accurate assessment. -- al has addressed part of the problem, but the democrats have to answer a question individually and collectively, who are you? what do you represent? if you look at rep -- republicans that when these races, a lot of the governorships, they run against government. the government is a ends -- your enemy, it has overpromised, the government has overspent. a lot of people buy it, and the democrats -- first of all, they have got to get young, younger. no offense to nancy pelosi or anyone else, but they have to get younger.

the message has to be more encompassing, it has got to be economic, it has to be cultural, it has got to be some -- social, it has to address things like education reform, what robotics are going to do to your job, what artificial intelligence might do to your children's jobs. what is going on in your kids schools? can you afford day care, childcare? a whole range of social issues, they have to be unafraid to wait into that. charlie: why didn't hillary quentin -- hillary clinton wade into that? caution is a great thing to hold up at a school crossing, caution is not a great thing to have when you are running for president, for basically the third or fourth time. that is what she was doing. saying it was my turn. she would have been certainly qualified to be president, but a lot of people said no. charlie: you are not the candidate for me, i want something different. >> unfortunately, trump gave them something they thought

was different. a lot of it was based on his opposition and antigovernment rhetoric. >> i guess i would disagree in little bit with that, which is to say that i actually think donald trump did really well with a lot of people who voted for obama -- a fair amount of the electorate switched, particularly in midwest states, people who voted for obama twice and then for trump because they didn't see him as a traditional republican. i would argue he actually campaigned on the sort of anti-libertarian message. he supported social care -- social security and medicaid. he wanted to protect people from the market when it came to trade. he was going to be tougher on trade than republicans have certainly been in the past. i actually think -- mike is absolutely right that these special elections we have had and the message of

antigovernment the republicans have been campaigning on have been important, but they are like 20 plus republican district's, they are disproportionately republican. the issue for democrats -- and i agree with mike, the issue for democrats is what do you stand for? argument that chuck schumer and others are trying to put forward is, the democratic party has to stand with the middle class, with working people against the kind of large beenrations that have rigging the system against them. that is why did the forward ideas on antitrust and other ideas like that. i think we are in the middle of the debate. we really think jobs are essential element of this. i actually think trump did something different than most republicans, very different from romney. he was not a libertarian candidate. he may be governing like one now, but he was -- he said he

would have an even better health care system for voters, not a worse one. i think we have new data that shows people are more open to government solving problems but democrats have to in -- have an answer. charlie: wasn't donald trump's campaign a campaign of promises, ory, often at ends with each other? >> in some areas -- and we saw this one talking to voters afterwards. the new voters for him, the were voters who disproportionately white, noncollege voters in the midwest, ohio swung 15 points for trying -- trump. they like that he sounded like he was against what a traditional republican is always four, cutting medicare, cutting

entitlements, cutting social security. he sounded like a traditional republican in some areas, but i actually think ultimately, he basically said the voters who were struggling, i understand you are in pain and i am going to do something about it. i am going to do something radical. the answer, but i am going to paying immigrants. ban immigrants. when theyd an answer are suffering in an economy for people who haven't gone to college. >> i think we miss a little bit of the point here. i think the presidential candidates, if we want to jump ahead, convey a message that they connect to people. ronald reagan did, ronald reagan did, donaldama trump did. it wasn't his particular position on trader social security. hillary clinton have a 17 point program for every problem that

existed and a few that didn't. i don't think it is the specific items, it is what they convey. i think it was a phony message, but trump conveyed a sense of, we are going to make america great again. reagan, we are going to make america stronger again. barack obama, hope. 28ocrats can be negative in team, every off year election, -- 28 team, every off year election. but i think the optics are important. the democrats, too often, look old. because thatgist, would be against my self-interest, but i thought that better deal was fine, but a little less than chuck schumer and nancy pelosi. more of, let harris, kristin gillibrand, seth moulton. they don't showcase their young talent as much as the republicans did 10 years ago with the paul ryan's and marco rubio's.

those optics matter. in the long run, if they develop a candidate who can conduct -- connect to people the way successful ones have. >> the optics are critical. al is absolutely right. part of the object problem the democrats have, if you listen to people when walking around, is the democratic party, the party they belong to and may be voted for barack obama maybe twice, and their parents party and their party for years, they now democrats, a lot of national democrats, pay more attention to the scylla can -- silicon valley than the others. especially donald trump in his fraudulent way, that he did, artfully, but fraudulently during the campaign, managed to without really saying it, identify with a huge, huge percentage of people in this country who suffered grievous

losses in 2008 and 2009. they lost jobs, they lost income, they lost retirement savings, they lost their homes, many of them. a lot of them also put their sons and daughters at risk of losing them in a war that is being fought for 60 years. -- 16 years. these are the basis of what democratic are used to be and they fled because of optics. and like to agree with mike i would say it is not just optics. i agree with the substance, which is essentially, we have had massive transformation in the economy that particularly people who haven't gone to college are bearing the brunt of. the reality is, in the united states today, but the labor force participation rate, the percentage of people who are actually in the labor force who should have jobs -- that rate is

lower for people who don't go to college and for people who go to college by a lot. it is basically double, people who aren't in the labor force. it is lower than in france today. i think that is a really big challenge for the united states and those people have been suffering and the essential issue is that unemployment numbers kind of mask it, and were gdp numbers mask it, but if you haven't gone to college, this economy has been really tough. income has really declined over the last 15 years for those folks. i think trump spoke to them and we haveity is, technology, globalization, these trends are creating incredible pressure for people at the low end of the skills situation and the reality is, candidates haven't given a great answer as to what to do about that.

i think we really have to think about some different kind of jobsrs but -- like public in infrastructure, child care, hospitals. large-scale investments. the current economic debate and the one we have had for the last several years has been pretty limited. i think trump put out some radical answers on trade and elsewhere, but some people heard that has at least he gets the scale of the problem. that is why it is important for democrats to put boulder economic answers on the table. defined tradeso in his own argument, about jobs for americans and that is how he saw it, even though a lot of people would argue trade with provide more jobs in the end. --r program has a call called for a marshall plan for america. what does that mean? >> we have basically said that we have the at the data and as i

tod, people haven't gone college have suffered real income decline over the last 15 years, disproportionally out of the labor force. as you look at the data and saw you have to create basically 4.5 million jobs to get to the labor force participation rate in 2000. we have called for a large-scale investment in infrastructure, education, health care, that would provide good jobs to people who are at the lower end of the skill set who haven't had a job in a long time and have been -- in rural and urban parts there were parts and communities and neighborhoods that feel like they have been in a deep recession year after year. we have said, if you take a quarter of the amount of what president trump wants to spend on taxes and put into jobs, you

could put 4.5 million people to work. look at theyou upcoming election in 2018, the midterm elections, will there be a national democratic program or will it simply be a series of local races? >> i don't think there will be, charlie. there rarely is. all of the great gains that were 20's --2014, 2010 and 2006 were negative. there wasn't a coherent republican message in 2010 other samebarack obama is a bum, in 2006, anti-bush. it will be an anti-trump message, but they have to mix that with some of the things talked about.ap hopefully for them, that paves the way for two years later. in that year, they have to score big gains in those editorial races, -- governor races.

and state legislative races, or they really won't the olympic kind of national cohesion they need for two years later. neera: i would just say that i think governors will run state specific races, but i think this discussion will be at the heart of successful governor candidate. what can they do to ensure that families who are struggling can actually do better and that their kids can do better than they have? -- that has been at the heart of the debate for cycles and people who try to come up with an answer and do it convincingly will be candidates who are the most successful. charlie: thank you all, great to see them all. we will be right back. stay with us. ♪

♪ charlie: "good time" is the new film with robert paterson starring as a smalltime criminal who tries to get his brother out of prison after a bank robbery goes on. the new york times called it a cure cinematic pleasure about a shocking rush into the abyss. here is a look at the trailer. >> i've got to come clean with you about something. >> what? >> i told you about my brother? the program he is forced to attend and he shouldn't be there? >> don't count your chickens before they hatch. you understand that?

>> no. >> something happen, i don't know exactly what. being held at rikers island? you get killed in there. >> we just have a client that walked in. >> you get another 10 grand, your brother will get out. >> where are you? how much money can you get right now? >> oh my gosh. >> are you kidding me? >> what do you think i am doing this for? ♪ >> don't be confused. it is just going to make it

worse for me. ♪ before?ver do time >> is your brother ok? >> soon, i want you to come with me. you are going to love it. now, can bee we are a lot of fun if you let it. you are going to have a good time. charlie: joining me now, the two film makers and star robert pattinson. i'm pleased to have them all here at the table for the first time. great to have you. >> it is an honor to be at the table, in the abyss. charlie: this is a step up for you. tell me a sense of how it is that -- and what you hope to accomplish in this film? >> we have been basically on a

highway trying to make his film that takes place in the diamond district not far from the studio. we have been trying to make that film for seven years, maybe. the end always destination. i have a cigar in my house and a bottle that someone gave me and they said, pop it open and light the cigar when you are ready to celebrate. and i think when i die, the cigar will be put in my grave we are never going to find a reason to really celebrate. out and said, i want to do whatever you are doing next. he wasn't right for the other project. , the project. have, and after we respect.

a movie star which will come with an audience. we wanted to make a piece of popcorn film. people can consume. they will force their way into your psyche. said, iyou called and wanted to make a film, what about them. you seem to like small roles they may not be small roles. >> i just want to surprise myself. just finding original material is tough. >> i will go to them.

i will get the kind of material that interest me. >> i knew nothing about the work. and then i met them. dynamic a very conversation. i saw the trailer for the last movie. i wanted to do something electric, connecticut. they are kind of masters of that. >> he is a smalltime criminal from queens.

he gets obsessed and fixated with his relationship with his younger brother who is kind of mentally challenged. he doesn't want to recognize that. that was one of the things i love. he is in a place where there are a lot of mentally handicapped people. he refuses to accept his brother could have something wrong with him. i have seen that happen. whole who have a sibling has issues to deal with. the sibling, maybe it is because their parents had to give a lot more attention. it in rages another sibling.

i always thought it was interesting and a difficult family relationship. charlie cole and i thought, this is a film about brotherly love. it is interesting. when you take this idea of brotherhood and the fact that connie is trying to break his brother out of the situation, it overshadows everything else. brother in that situation. you are moving so fast on his wavelength, you cannot stop to -- k, >> his backstory is he was released from prison on good behavior. while he was in prison, like a lot of people who do time, they have -- they adopt like a born again quality or become extremely romantic in their

ideas and they are re-doctrine naked into society and they are not equipped. the penal system isn't designed to rehabilitate anyone, really. we had the former connecticut commissioner, who appears in our movie, who has led the lowest recidivist rate in the country. side story. he appears in the sequence. connie develops an idea in prison that everything that is holy to him is his brother. his brother represents purity he wants to tap back into. he has this romantic idea he is going to rob a bank and go live on a farm forever. he has a scorn for institutional america and the bureaucratic trappings of america. and he doesn't -- he holy disagrees with the idea that you can change the brain from the outside, you can do it through questionnaires.

observation, and exercises, menial exercises. and he thinks, if i can just change it from the inside -- and the only way to take it from the inside is experience, then i can do some independence in my brother. the idea of that is strong, the execution is questionable. bringing him to rob a bank is not a good idea. charlie: this is more than a character study. this is a movie with a message? >> in a way. when i say termite art, that is the overarching -- we wanted something you could consume, something that is entertainment first. afterwards you ask yourself why did that happen. why were the only two people in the park being arrested of color? why are women treated the way they are in this movie? what is happening in the end of the movie when we are left with this emotional wallop because we are being reminded of how the handicapped are treated in this world. >> the fact that you are moving at his speed and hitched onto connie's point of view and you

believe what he believes, but you don't have the time to think about it. it is only after you leave the theater that you can ask these questions and they are important questions. charlie: why he thinks the way he does? >> exactly. >> it is a reflection of society. once you reflect something back to people, messages occur here . sometimes the way you get the best reflection is to focus on a specific person, someone breaking the rules. will shine a light on everything else. charlie cole and how did you try to shape them in terms of what you did for research? what you wanted to visit? how you wanted to feel the character? >> one of the great things is this correct wasn't finished when we started developing it, so josh and ronnie would send me

chunks of the backstory and sequences. most of the sequences that they sent me over the nine months before i went to start proper preproduction on even in the movie. i saw the writing process and the world what they wanted to , draw from and started to get a voice. charlie: like how he sounded? >> it is funny, because people are talking about doing an accent and normally you have a script and you try and taste your accent or figure out how to say -- if it was written in a standard american accent, but this, they are from queens. everybody's from queens. i think it is written in a queens dialect. it is fun to stay in that accent, but in terms of research and stuff, me and benny --we

spent multiple days improvising kind of in character in the world, dunkin' donuts in yonkers, kind of got jobs at a car wash, which was fascinating. i have never done anything like it before. charlie: how many people recognize you? robert: zero. the entire time. there was a moment as well where we were trying to play out the family drama in the car wash and benny is looking like he is going to start snapping windshield wipers off and throwing wax at people, and we almost got in a fight there. but nobody had any idea we were two actors doing a bit. >> it felt real. there was a moment when rob grabbed me and stopped me from doing those things, and we were not thinking about the movie. we were just think about being these people. charlie: thinking in the moment. >> when he grabbed me, i'll most

almost threw him against the wall. he felt that, too. it is not in the movie, but the texture is incredible. >> when you are not doing it for an audience or camera, you feel kind of crazy and you feel there is an element of danger, too, because there is no one watching . you are literally doing it for each other. charlie: what is interesting to me, it seemed to me if u.s. a director could create that feeling on a set, that is good. >> in developing his country was -- character was as informative or him as was for me. me and my partner spent so much time writing this character's backstory, we realized we couldn't overlook three months of his life. we were trying to show a world that exists in the state and eggs. in this day and age.

this is a plot heavy movie. we had to know everything about him in the process we write this insane psychiatric portrait of this guy, connie. he is questioning all these little details. when he comes to new york, we are sitting with people from fortune society, going on walking tours of local legends and weird petty crimes they kind of enacted and going to jails. the character never spoke a word. all these things were done for his benefit, but they were duly productive. ben: and we wanted to incorporate that into the set we had. we wanted that feeling -- even though we had permission to shoot at these places, we wanted an element of danger that we didn't necessarily have permission. if everything went wrong, would we still have it? hopefully it comes across in rob's performance or the texture of these places.

>> have you ever seen a film by john albert? charlie: yes. he was there. what was amazing, he went to cuba, it was amazing year he was the first guy i knew to go to cuba. this is like in the 1970's. >> have you ever seen "life of crime," an hbo film? we showed that downtown. we showed it yesterday and did a q and a with him. watchedpeople who have that movie, that was one of the first things. he was in ireland. i am trying to me characters to him. i am sending him john albert films. you can see these things and you'll these things. charlie: the camera style you use, define it for me and tell me what it adds to the movie. >> we have been working -- making feature films for 10

years and we have been in a like, not now, dad. we wouldn't let anyone in. we were making these movies in an adolescent fashion, but we figured they were getting released and we were able to support ourselves with commercials, but we were using our features to hone our craft and get deeper into how we want to speak. we developed on the previous film, this enamored effect with the long lines, well what it does when you are pushing in on someone's personality, someone's soul almost. we got obsessed with it with the last one, and then we thought if we are doing a thriller, we wanted to actually be thrilling. we want it to feel like real cops could come in. we wanted to heighten it. we kept things in close-up a lot and it helps add i think to the tension that the audience can be

feeling. charlie: how did you want to shape him beyond what you saw in the text? what were you looking for to create your own image of him? robert: there is definitely -- charlie: part of him is a bad guy? robert: yes. yeah. i was always interested in -- you can say you love someone, but it doesn't necessarily mean anything to the target of your love. charlie: was that true here? robert: yes. i think they both -- i think connie has decided -- part of the backstory is they have been quite estranged for years. in prison he gets fixated on his brother who he hasn't seen for years. he comes out of prison and he is full speed loving him.

he has no idea. charlie: an interesting backstory. robert: has no idea who he is, at all. charlie: he can't see who it is? robert: yeah. refuses to see it. he is just a lonely person. loneliness, he doesn't know how to process it and the only thing he has is a sibling. and that is it, because the rest of his family clearly wants nothing to do with him. he doesn't want to love his brother for his brother, but he loves him because he is his. charlie: when did each of you decide you wanted to be in films? when did you know? were you seven? robert: i fell into it by accident, which i am pretty happy about. because every year that goes by i get more and more invested

into it and i don't think i will ever get sick of it. charlie: invested to try as best you can to master it, knowing in the end you will never master it? robert: yes. it's just that -- i think that the only thing i have ever been fighting against is feeling like an imposter and the fear of -- charlie: do you have any of that feeling? robert: that is literally the only thing i'm ever doing. i find a script, i have one burst of inspiration. and when i first met you, i don't know what you felt, but i felt extraordinarily confident. like yeah, i can do anything. and then almost immediately after it is like i have no idea what i'm talking about, i can't do anything. i'm just a random guy. and you do get addicted to that feeling.

i don't know. i always loved -- i loved the world. i love people who are interested in telling stories. on a job like this, you are working 18 hour days every single day, everyone -- no one minds. no one is being paid anything. it is crazy. there is no other industry where people are so invested in it. [laughter] charlie: i think you got a free lunch. what is interesting, not just in acting, but so many professions, people say they know -- and they are doing good work and they know they are good, but they somehow think they are not as good as they think i am. or they say if they only knew how much i don't know, right? robert: luckily, most people

don't say i am that great. [laughter] >> i would say, that was really great. and he would look at us like we are foreigners, we weren't speaking his language. charlie: like you're lying. >> he didn't believe -- robert: i don't know. i could be in therapy about it. what i love about working with these guys, they can charge up a scene so much so it is like you are playing music or something. you can get lost. most of the time people take so much time setting up another take, so much discussion. it is impossible to stay at the same level of intensity, but i love -- you do another take and it is just rolling the dice. hopefully something will come out. every single time you are gambling and it feels like

anything could happen. that is the fun part. charlie: that is the creative part. >> we want to catch up to the movie, always. we want to feel like we can this , is life or the movie -- the story you created. it is like this subway in new york city and every once in while the express train and local train are running at the same time. you can see in. you know the feeling? the uc income get the window, someone will give you the finger. us making a movie. we want to saddle up against the local train, or the express and capture it. charlie: congratulations. great to meet you. thank you for coming. >> thank you. >> thank you for having me. charlie: we will be right back. stay with us.

charlie: glen campbell, the country music legend and six-time grammy winner died on tuesday. he was 81. campbell was known for such crossover heads as "rhinestone cowboy" and " galveston." he had 21 top hits. he had a crystal-clear guitar sound. claim lines. -- playing lines. welcome.

how do you remember him? >> extremely kind. i went to la right after he announced he had alzheimer's and was going on his final tour. he was a nice, southern man from arkansas. he made you feel right at home. charlie: what made "rhinestone cowboy" so popular? i think it was it came after a , dark period for him. he was a huge star in the late 1960's. charlie: in 1968 he outsold the beatles. patrick: yes. then that kind of went away and he stopped having hit. rhinestone cowboy he was a comeback for him. it was sort of him, his mission statement. that was one of the last songs -- he had trouble remembering that song, which is difficult to know, because he couldn't

remember if it was a radio or rodeo. so, he was just -- his kids all backed him on that final tour. it was a very family oriented thing. charlie: and what was his -- what was he -- when you recognize him for his musicality, what would you say about him? patrick: i would say very sentimental music, music that didn't get a lot of credit at the time. tom petty, who you mentioned, was saying it was uncool of the time to like glen campbell, because it was more cool to be into the beatles, but he would sneak off and listen to that music. he had a very clear tenor voice, but he had all of this emotion behind it. and you could hear the sadness

in his voice and it was just a lot of strings and flicked music, but the songs were good. he did songs by jimmy webb. charlie: an excellent songwriter. patrick: yes. he was an excellent person to ing jimmy webb songs, and excellent talent. i hope more people listen to him now. charlie: thank you for coming. patrick: thank you. i really appreciate it. >> glen campbell has lost a very public, courageous battle with the cruelest of diseases. the died of alzheimer's, are surrounded by family in nashville. he was 81. >> i am happy to be here. >> glen campbell was country music's first crossover star. ? your door is always open ?

>> i like a good song. >> you never thought of yourself as a country singer? >> no. >> he picked up a guitar at age four, he was a natural. by the early 60's, he had played his way to l.a.. though he couldn't read music, he quickly became one of the most sought after guitarists in the city. >> you started getting a lot of work? >> it was great. i bought a car. [laughter] one of an elite group of studio musicians known as "the wrecking crew." in 1963 alone, he performed on nearly 600 cuts for other artists. when brian wilson took off for the beach boys, campbell filled in for six months. as he told me in an interview, in 2012. on ahad to go with them gate and played bass and sing his part. little old lady from

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