10 dead and thousands homeless as a treat a course that could lead to a catastrophic strike on florida over the weekend. >> i would make clear to them that these are our people, british nationals, and we will do everything possible to get help to them in this appalling devastation of the hurricane has caused, to help in advance of the hurricane that is coming behind it. the most potent atlantic ocean hurricane ever recorded, appears increasingly likely to slam into heavily populated south florida early sunday. house speaker paul ryan today made his first public comments since president trump cut a surprise deal with democrats on hurricane harvey and the debt ceiling. ryan: the president made it really clear that what he was aiming for in a meeting yesterday was a bipartisan moment while the country is facing 2 horrible hurricanes. mark: house speaker ryan says he understands president trump's

motivations. he still thinks it is a bad idea to increase the debt ceiling on a short-term, three-month basis. republicans were pushing for the thing the ceiling for 18 months. pope francis is urging colombians to come together to heal the divisions caused by five decades of armed conflict. speaking in bogotá during his address to president juan manuel santos today, the pope urged the country to enact just laws to address the inequality that sparked the rebellion. five-day visit to colombia is aimed at solidifying last year's police a -- peace accord between the government and leftist rebels that has bitterly divided the nation the you. addressof opioids may the drop of 20% of men from the labor force, according to a study by princeton economist alan krueger. it links prescription

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could set the stage for a showdown in december. and we're looking at the winners and there is with the sports media titan -- winners and losers with the sports media titan, leo hindery. the white house is said to be considering at least 6 people for the fed chair position. be a raceo longer between gary cohn and current chair janet yellen, but a much broader race. never been any indication officially that it was a two-horse race. lots of people figure that gary cohn was the lead. it would appear his audits have dimmed since his comments in "ft" a few weeks ago. other candidates include glenn hubbard of lumia business school, -- columbia business school, a former bush advisor. a mix of business and academic

names. abigail: it certainly opens it up a bit, and it will be interesting to see if there's influence in the days ahead on market action. scarlet: he will continue to keep you posted on further developments in the story. what'd you miss? south korea warning of another north korea intercontinental ballistic missile launch that could happen this saturday. resident trump addressed with korea tension -- president trump addressed north korea tension emir.he kuwaiti president trump: is it inevitable? nothing is inevitable. it would be great if something could be worked out. we have had presidents for 25 years cap who have been talking, talking, talking, and the day agreement is reached, new work begins in north korea. scarlet: there with insight into these delicate negotiations and strategies is kevin rudd,

president of the asia society and former australian prime minister. the president was asked a question on whether the united states would tolerate a nuclear but contained north korea. he would not discuss strategy for negotiations with the media, so he did not give an answer to the question. do you think that is where we are headed? mr. rudd: there are three scenarios as a matter of logic. the united states accepts the fact that the emergence of north korea as a nuclear power, nuclear weapons state, and one of the other members of the nuclear club. washington will say that is unacceptable. i think that is the operating assumption in pyongyang and china. number two is there is a unilateral strike by the u.s. against north korean nuclear capabilities, and that certainly is a life option in washington. how live, none of us know. the chinese don't think that is faintly probable, because that would cut deep in america's core interest in preserving its

relationship with south korea. ,he third is diplomacy works but it won't be the current style of diplomacy where there is not enough in it for the north koreans are chinese to make a move. joe: what do you mean by that? diplomacy could work, but it wouldn't be diplomacy as we think about it. what is a plausible path that would be dramatic here? mr. rudd: well, these things have been kicked around for a the but if you keep diplomacy focused on ok, north korea, china, let's get rid of north korea's nuclear weapons program, and let's destroy its existing arsenal, to which the chinese turn around and say to us, or me when i'm in china, and say, that is terrific, kevin, what is in it for us? diplomacy that takes into account core chinese national interest and north korean interest as well, which is about regime survival, and about keeping north korea as a stable state on china's boundary

, but also one which is basically pro-chinese. joe: so is there something that the u.s. could plausibly answer to the "what's in it for us" question? mr. rudd: there is, as a matter of logic, which is, one, let's the war that has prevailed since 1953, a formal peace treaty, get rid of the armistice. 2, the u.s. formally recognizes north korean state as a regime, never done before. number three is a tricky one. as opposed to the north koreans that the only way to guarantee long-term regime survival is i will have my nuclear deterrent, why not have china and the united states signed a collective agreement to provide external security guarantees under an international treaty for the continuation of the north korean regime? there is a final thing which is trickiest, which is if you can verify the north koreans have stopped the program and got rid of what they have got, is there a stage down overtime of the u.s. military presence in south

korea? of this the 4 bits fairly collects piece of a jigsaw, but it depends on the level of strategic trust between beijing and washington, which the president is missing. abigail: which of those three scenarios you have outlined -- one, the u.s. accepting that north korea could become a nuclear state, or two, the northility of going with korea or new diplomacy -- what scenario is most likely, and why? mr. rudd: i answer to that, didn't i? [laughter] mr. rudd: if i was a betting man, which i'm not because i'm in politics and it never works -- it would be a cocktail of the probabilities of one and two. it grinds on and you end up with a de facto north korea fully armed nuclear weapons state, a whole battery of icbm's, or they

crossed the threshold so badly in building up crisis -- if they launched icbm's to fall either do you escalate into a crisis where unilateral military action is indeed contemplated? my third option right now is the underdog, but if you finally got your crisis, i wonder whether that could suddenly come to the surface. scarlet: china seems other disengaged with this north korean missile crisis. -- oddly does engaged with this north korean missile crisis. what do you think is happening behind the scenes that we don't know about? to beijinghen i go with my chinese friends, apart from the obvious question what is in it for us, if you drill into it, the chinese deep analyses of the north korean nuclear weapons program is, yeah , it is really unhelpful, but on balance it is a big problem for america, not much of one for us. scarlet: it is their problem. mr. rudd: it is a problem for american allies, not so much for

us. secondly, we do what you americans want to effectively destabilize the north korean regime by cutting off their oil supplies there's a change of regime in the north, you are asking us as north korea's neighbor to buy into all of the uncertainties that will flow. what is the next regime look like? will it be pro-american, pro-chinese? take a back to the core question of their abiding national security interests. joe: let's talk about scenario one, where the north korean regime has full nuclear capabilities, and it becomes a thing that happens. under the old, mutually assured , this uneasy stability that nobody wanted to attack because that would be the end of everyone, with the same logic applied to north korea? scarlet: quick question. mr. rudd: that is a great question. one of the reasons why washington is not prepared to accept scenario one as i've discovered is the north prince have never articulated anything

approximate a formal nuclear doctrine. we have seen pictures like on your screen at the moment -- hey, look at that, bang! is it to be used, the nuclear weapons capability, as purely a deterrent, exclusively for use against any oncoming attack, or will it be used as a tool of foreign policy to leverage more cooperation from allies in the region? could it be part of nuclear war fighting capability? our friends in the administration in washington are skeptical of scenario one -- what the hell would we be buying into? it is not iran, it is not israel, it is not pakistan. none of those countries have acquired icbm range. this is the first one that would have icbm range right across the pacific to the united states with a hydrogen bomb or regular nuclear bomb attached. abigail: great insights.

kevin rudd, thank you so much. asia society president and former prime minister of australia. florida bears for a hurricane hit from irma.we will have the latest . from new york, this is bloomberg. ♪

abigail: hurricane irma on a collision course with miami after battering puerto rico and devastating a chain of small caribbean islands. mason, thanks so much for taking the time to join us. you are there in miami. when his estimated that -- when is estimated that irma is likely to hit, and what are you seeing their? i hear there's mandatory evacuation and i'm assuming that

versus stores, people are leaving, or are some people defined the evacuation order? nathan: today started off a little calm. our office is in the financial district. they announced it is part of the expanded it activation zone. on the street,lm almost like the feel of a holiday. it is clear that a lot of people have gotten out of the city. i'm near the port of miami, where a big cruiseship just came in. a lot of people, it looks like him are staying on the ship. people are talking about how to get out of the city commend those who are staying are talking about what to do, how to stay safe, because it looks like sunday morning is when people are expecting the storm to hit. joe: that is exactly what i was about to ask you. the people who are staying in miami, what are you seeing people mostly due to prepare this? nathan: people are stocking up on food and water, just the

basics that people who have houses are boarding things up. it has been hard to find bottled water, so people are definitely trying to make sure that they have everything that they need .or a couple of days, at least when you look at the prediction and see the size of the storm and the wind speed, it is definitely a little sobering, and there is a nervousness in the air here. crooks, thankn you so much for joining us by phone from miami. stay safe, although the present storm will not hit until the weekend. we head down to texas to look at how the $7.4 billion relief fund for that city -- for houston, i should say -- will make a difference on the ground. jason kelly is live in houston with more. hi, scarlet.

i'm here with one of the big business leaders here in houston, the chairman of tudor pickering holt. playtest inside houston right now -- take us inside houston from the ceo's perspective, a longtime business and dealmaker. what is on the ground? >> houston has a great tradition of business leadership in corporate philanthropy, and that is being put to the test right now. the leaders of the committees are first of all concerned about people. the amount of displacement and distress is very, very high, particularly if you are ha large energy company were a lot of people live in the area. you are likely to have hundreds and hundreds if not thousands of employees badly affected by this. first and foremost, people are taking care of their employees. secondly, they are being very philanthropic in terms of relief

to the butter houston community. to broader houston community. houstonf to the broader community. j.j. watt had a very successful foundation. united way of houston is an important social services provider and arm of corporate for the become also has played a big role here. -- corporate philanthropy also has played a big role. we're pulling together as houston tends to do. in many ways it is a heartening thing and speaks to what is great about houston. there is a lot of people to take care of and a lot of distress. jason: you mentioned the energy core door. you were a banker at goldman for many years. what is the sense of how this affects business in the short-term, midterm, it is just getting back to work, but also is their consolidation? >> it is hard not to effective in the short term, because people actually displays.

professionalsf bp are working from home right now. conical phillips has not even reopened offices yet. delay, if you will, and it is not business as usual just yet. people are eager to get back to work and are hustling to do that, but when 10% of all the homes in the region have been damaged, the first thing you worry that is taking care of your people, and if that means you do less business, then you do this business. ,ason: what is even prestorm the oil and brought energy market, little bit of volatility, to say the least. this is affected and how would you characterize the state of companies dealing with each other? willwould not say it affect it that much. the industry has settled into a new $50 world with cost structures adjusted to make money in and around $50 wti. that is where or prices are

today. the overall outlook for the business and attitude of the ceos hasn't changed all that much, and i would not expect it to. people are building colonies to companies to be successful at a lower price. it makes you think about the need to be larger and to have critical mass. we will see how that plays out. you helped run the advisory business. tell us briefly about the state of m&a more broadly, looking beyond energy. has been a reasonably good year globally in m&a. total numbers are down a little bit. what is interesting is that big deals are down a lot and small deals are flat to up a bit. we have not seen as many big lock buster -- big blockbuster deals, cross-border or in the u.s. people are waiting on tax

reform, waiting on a little more clarity around antitrust, etc., and once people get comfortable with that, you will see more action. but it certainly is not an unhealthy market. we have had plenty to do at our firm and we expect that to continue to be the case. jason: bobby tudor, man of many hats, chairman of the board of trustees at rice, you will be busy in a lot of ways coming up in the city recovery. >> well, thank you. thank for having me. it is a busy time, but a time to make a difference. jason: scarlet, i will send it back to you in new york. scarlet: thanks so much, jason kelly and bobby tutor. coming up, we have a look at stocks iimapcted by the incoming hurricane irma. it is scheduled to start miami sunday morning and move up the coast by monday, according to current projections come into the carolinas. from new york, this is bloomberg. ♪

abigail: it is time for the "bloomberg business flash." disney's bob iger says that this year's earnings will be in line with last year. the company has been under pressure. iger says the parks business has been having trouble, and that mergers and acquisitions are likely to continue. targeted forp is 2019. shares of go pro are searching today, with margins of the high end of the company forecast. is in the midst of a turnaround plan that includes cost cuts and outdated product line. it is trying to make its cameras easier to use. that is your "bloomberg business flash." scarlet: time for the stock of the hour, xl group, entering a bear market.

marke -- has has more. oliver: the most effective way to talk about it is through the business, the hardest hit countries, the hardest hit company at least as the market is interpreting it right now with hurricane irma in florida. it seems that with a history of hurricanes in the region, the reinsurers are the ones going to be guarding the brunt. this is a company that is having a rough month for a lot of different days and reasons beyond just this. we are officially in a bear market for xl group. stock is over 20%, including today's drop. this brings up a question for today's investors, how are they going to absorb the pain that could come? this is not going to be as disastrous as the expectations, but you have got to be realistic. the losses may rival katrina. joe: when one of these big interest takes a big hit, what happens next?

they have to recapitalize and that dilutes the shareholder base and so forth? oliver: that is generally the process. how they can stem the money flows out. is and concern about the ability to do that, as far as wall street is concerned. but there are concerns about what it means longer-term. this is a pretty interesting point. if you are looking to shore up your finances, one way to do that might be to figure out where your cash flow is going and reverse it. when i'm looking at here are five acts for xl group. the white line shows the dollar amount, $800 million in the past 12 months. this is not on the scale of a big app -- abigail: very few companies are. thisr: if you look at access, the percent of market cap, it is a .5%. there is room to figure out where to get the cash from. if you are an investor, you never want to know that the company is slowing down. scarlet: advice from oliver

renick to the xl treasury department. the market closes next. we have a mixed trading day in equities with the dow down 29 points and the s&p basically unchanged. ♪

abigail: u.s. stocks paring losses. doolittle. fu.let: i'm scarlet joe: if you're tuning in live on twitter, we welcome you to our bell coverage. scarlet: u.s. stocks ending the day little changed. .3% were up by as much as and down by .3% and settled in going anywhere. joe: tons of news but nothing u.s. equity. abigail: but we had big movers here. to look at is hardware,oration soaring on the day, a two-day chart showing the stock is up 44%. by 39%, salesings by 2%.

the expectations have been low. demonstrated by the fact that the this should be a short squeeze. 57% bear short interest on this stock so that probably accounts for why that much, prettyo amazing short squeeze there demonstrated by that chart. moversook at a few other on the day. first up, we are looking at go pro, up 12%. are higher, that stock is higher on a preannouncement of sorts. are expecting revenue and gross margins to be at the high also saying they'll on a gas basis. dayey having its worst since january 2016, down four% after bob iger said 2017 earnings will be in line with 2016 with the stock down. it's clear investors wanted more affectingane irma is many segments of the market.

airways down 3%, battered, not just from the fact canceling flights or flights could be canceled, but it's expected that we could have the issue of less travelers these winter season to regions and x.l. capital, oliver downined why that stock is 5%. joe: lots going on macro, particularly in the government world, starting with europe. across the board, big declines in european government bond yields. german 10-year yield down.04. down in spain down 1.63., italy, the story, the e.c.b. decision. urgency of change in policy, perhaps markets were expecting more from sundhage -- light at terms of a the end of the tunnel. not much news there and you saw

it in rates markets all around world, including in the u.s. which reacted to mario draghi, it at the two-year and 10-year, 2.05 on the u.s. 10-year. funny, we're back at november 9 levels. saying november 9 levels because that day was so extraordinary. levels in a lowest long time. moves there. scarlet: i'm going to pick up where you left off which is what the european central bank, draghi attempted euro.k down the a lot of people say the euro's the dollar was because of a weak jobless claims print. perhaps algorithms can't distinguish between trend changes and one-time distortions. versus othere euro currencies, the euro is

climbing. the dollar is sinking versus the loonie. dollar at a fresh two-year high after the bank of canada's second straight rate by 25 points yesterday. bank of canada leaving the door hike but doingr so would boost the loonie further and hurt exporters. canada's jobs report is due out tomorrow. joe: and finally, let's take a at commodities. not much going on in oil. ald getting a little bit of bid which fits with doing the same thing treasuries are doing. up 1%. gasoline futures falling, of course. gasolineeen talk about shortages which we saw in places in texas post-harvey, now in florida as many drive north. nonetheless, not a lot of action in prices. orange juice futures back up, lots of whipsaw action there the possible florida strike from hurricane irma.

concentrated orange juice prices up nearly 4%. scarlet: sounds like the duke brothers. what did you miss? president trump coming to a short-term fix for the u.s. debt ceiling and european central bank soft currency remarks leaving investors with a little about.s to worry is based in london but joins us in new york. larry, let's talk about the bank.an central how hard did mario draghi really the euro?k down he know he can be more forceful in rhetoric. signaled serious concern about the euro. lighter touch. larry: it's hard to talk down fundamentals are improving. he stated the e.c.b. upgraded their forecast for this year's growth, obviously euro

supportive and at the same time he's trying to tight rope between not announcing or taperingition -- tapering decision running ahead the governing council. sizable moveee a in the long term rate markets across europe -- italy, portugal, france, spain -- among the biggest bond movers. interesting that the euro strengthened, he wasn't able to talk it down. but we saw the long end of the curve making substantial moves. larry: they upgraded the growth euro supportive, euro appreciates. that means the e.c.b. is more to delay monetary policy is bullish forh bonds. there could be a problem for the e.c.b. insofar as that mix of lower yields, stronger growth, to reperpetuate itself and

they're in a circular dilemma for today it seems the market is saying growth will be stronger which is good for the and inflation lower, looser for longer, yields lower. dismissed the idea that europe is stuck in low and indicated markets need to be patient. how credible is that? larry: it doesn't resonate in days.s these we've heard similar messages from the bank of japan for years economy is clearly past the point of full employment inflation. we've seen similar messages unconvincing the united states unemployment at low levels and no sign of wage or price acceleration so the idea that phillips curve is alive is not a finding a willing audience amongst market participants. or: looking globally domestically, part of the story here in the u.s -- at the the year, like,

this is the year we'll finally see inflation and higher rates. sounds like people have given up on the whole thing and you rates market but it seems like as you say, people are accepting that japan is everywhere now. larry: in a sense they are and as far as u.s. rates are concerned, we've come full day.e to election one of the reasons is is that people began to fade the trump fiscal stimulus story when repeal and replace couldn't be passed through congress which will give them the fiscal ammunition to cut taxes and spend money on infrastructure. then inflation proved to be disappointing which pushed out fed tightening. the probable replacement of as fed chairwoman effect becausean it appears the market is saying yellen will move forward with adjustment to perhaps tie the hands of her successor but in doing so it means that rate hikes are

a reason to be bond bullish. with aactors coinciding market that expected yields to go higher and now coming down to yields we see tonight. there's very little evidence in globalonomic data or the equity markets that what's driving yields lower is worries about growth. the story for today. abigail: with all the 2009, ittions since almost feels the central bankers are playing ping pong tossing to other, some are saying there are distortions in financial markets and there are charts that may suggest this is a distortion. it's a longer term chart. we're looking nat white is the bloomberg barclays high high yield, european index and in blue, the stock 600 which is yielding more than the junk bond index extraordinary, we see that difference coming down when

investors were paying up, much for to be paid so the junk bonds. how sustainable is that? it generally isn't sustainable. you wouldn't expect this to be the case. you would expect dividend yields to be higher but distortions are definitely there. driving them are factors you talked about, including the idea of looser for longer which who wouldestors normally buy government bonds into high yields, compressing those yields in the way you said. i think the only anomaly in today's price action and recent action is in a world where you have better growth from china, united states and and elsewhere, no inflation and willing to bewill easy, it's apparent bond yields should be lower. what isn't easy to explain is why equity markets aren't doing they already have.

scarlet: larry hathaway, stick us, head of gam investment solutions. becausemore coming up the white house is considering at least a half dozen candidates the next head of the central bank. from new york, this is bloomberg.

scarlet: we are looking at stocks finishing little changed on the day. we want to keep in mind that there are many headlines during the day. a news conference from president who spoke about north korea. didn't talk about the domestic policy situation and breaking well, that the white house is looking for the next federal reserve chair with at a dozen candidates

under consideration. lawrencek with hathaway, greg torres of bloomberg news who helped break that story. craig, what can you tell us about what we've learned with to the contest for the fed chief? craig: it's not only gary and janet but also a couple of other people. that aren't expected, for example, i find it that richard davis, u.s. bancorp chairman's on the list. think that's a very interesting choice. it's a big bank. assets. and billions in dean ofenn hubbard, columbia business school, interesting choice. solid economist. there, lawrence lindsey and a couple of others. clear, cohn isbe

not out of the running but one of the candidates. scarlet: and perhaps he's not front runner because of comments to the "financial times." it matter more who will be fed chief now that we is departing?er larry: i think it matters more not janetppose it's yellen chosen, with fisher macroeconomics core of the fed is hollowed out, depending on who they choose. taylor and hubbard are respected economists with experience in government who can fill those shoes. other candidates come from other areas so there pdgee seen to be a vacuum in particularily in the board

of governors. range of names that have been identified. where are these names coming from? who in the white house is sifting down the final candidate craig: i'm not going to mention sources but i would say the it'ssity is intentional, something that the crew looking for these people is focused on. the twothink about picks in hand, randy quarles and marvin goodfriend, there are differences between those two. diversity is a goal and that means you need strong becauseip at the top eventually all these diverse views have to come together and decision. scarlet: randy quarles has been but randy gutfreund

has not. gary: we have had a highly accommodative fed over the last decade. if someone new was to come in, to what degree could the entire fed who doesn't understand the mechanisms, to what degree could that disrupt the markets and how much concern could that be for investors? craig: investors could be concerned with the process of learning on the job. in andct someone to in be decisive in terms of leadership but also understand the mechanisms in place and place for the process the issues with the balance sheet so you want somebody able to lead and work within a committee setting. fore were all prerequisites

any fed chairman at any time but particularly in these circumstances which are fraught with risk, particularly macroeconomic. joe: larry, i'm interested in you said during the last blog when you talked about janet yellen tying the hands of successor by beginning the during her watch. why would that approach make sense? larry: no fed chair person could tie the hands of their successor but they can put things in place that might raise of changesterms going forward, deviations from the strategy. jackson hole speech where she emphasized the continuity of the financial regulation taking place. but it's abe changed higher bar to do that because someone with the authority and of janet yellen endorsed it. true in theld be

shrinking of the size of the fed's balance sheet. if that process starts, it's more difficult for a successor it oncee it, to reverse the process is underway. tying the hands might be an overstatement but you're downinly setting preconditions that will future actions going forward. scarlet: thank you so much to , and larrys gamaway, head of investments, chief economist based in zurich. come back again. up, reaching across the aisle. the white house finding ways to work with congressional democrats. ♪

scarlet: president trump forming unlikely alliances with democrats, after cutting a short term debt ceiling deal yesterday with top democrats chuck schumer pelosi, they're exploring another bipartisan agreement to do away with the altogether. here with how republicans are unlikely move is schenker.marty joe: some extraordinary stuff happening over the last 24, 36 hours. perhaps the thing that blows my mind the most is how a lot of core conservatives seem to be reacting with glee at the and mitchyan mcconnell have been utterly humiliated by president trump in this. >> it is extraordinary but the freedom caucus and that side of the republican party has felt

disenfranchised from the process, because, as we had those members of the caucus in our offices in washington, d.c., they complained about not having a plan from their leadership so deal with the democrats is a potential problem for them if outrun by a deal between moderate republicans and democrats. to reassert themselves and the best way to ryan.is to go after paul abigail: after the seemingly that president trump made with the democrats to get this deal done, is there any possibility he's a trojan horse democrats?r the marty: this is this theme that was raised during the campaign that he's not really a republican, he's a democrat in disguise. 36 hours of sort of deal making with schumer and pelosi him a democrat. give himoes do is

positive results and the last 36 hours have, shall we say, been very presidential for this president. give him positive gotten tremendous feedk from the press which is something he loves. engender more attempts to reach across the aisle? it's possible. loves press and making deals and as we mentioned, we're getting more withls on his meeting congressional leaders on chuck schumer suggesting structural changes in the debt limit. do you think that's likely? they: it's not likely and leadership of the republican party is dead set against it. was totallyl ryan against it. marty: and the more conservative wing of the party is against it so it's not likely but it's intriguing. there are moderate republicans who think it's a good idea. go anywhere? probably not when they have so much else to do. scarlet: do you think president trump thinks it's a good idea? marty: he said so. scarlet: but he also wants to a deal and get legislative

wins. marty: i think he has higher priorities than eliminating the annual debt ceiling. three-month extension on the debt ceiling is not the only sign of a democratic trump lovefest going on, with the tweet today where he told people not told be affected worry which was retweeted by pelosi. what i would be wondering if i ryan, how do i reinsert myself into this situation to make sure at the big december agreement, where they have to keep the government they debt ceiling, that don't get completely rolled. marty: this is where tonight's dinner between donald trump and paul ryan which is happening ifomes very interesting and i'm paul ryan, i want to ask that question, how do we get to same page. if donald trump says you do what i ask you to do and get results aisle,going across the

it makes an uneasy relationship even that more difficult for ryan so will it be detente, trumpl it be donald giving paul ryan marching orders is the question. to bring weather into this with hurricane harvey and hurricane irma. since the two, it seems there's more friendly tone struck between president trump and certainly the democrats and now deal passed by congress. do you think that has played a role at all? a coincidence. marty: no question it's played a trump -- gived chief of staff kelly credit for this. he helped orchestrate donald trump's response to the hurricane and has gotten pretty good reviews for the way he reacted to this and that above-the-fray attitude donald trump is taking. joe: is there anyone who could lead the house republicans and lead them in a way that the rank and file would be happy with? not.: absolutely the thing about paul ryan in a

leadership role, if you remember, he didn't want, he was reluctant and was drafted into in-- who would want that job this circumstance. aboutere's no real buzz any alternative to paul ryan and even people who are not happy don't offer alternatives and they don't want the job themselves. going to be extraordinary in the next three months. we thought september would be the restng and boring of the year. that's been shoved to december. the should be fascinating. marty schenker, thank you very much for joining us. next, we'll be speaking to the c.e.o. of lending tree on the state of thin tech. ♪

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of movinge early days tree, 2% oflending mortgage originations. lenders coming lendersing on, whether marketplace platforms like prosper and club.g you have online mortgage lenders and more lenders coming online and technology companies enabling technology and making it possible for lenders to then you have market places like lending tree, and we soe been around 20 years we're the largest comparison shopping site. that's just starting to happen. stock over the last five years up more than 1400 percent as interest rates go lower so your industry has benefited. what happens if the fed somehow loses control and rates shoot higher? how does that affect you and the industry? doug: the neat thing about our indexed is we are not

to interest rates. we're indexed to the overall growth in the market so lenders need us more when in the same way that hotel companies need marketplaces when the as high so we have been able to buck the mortgage industry trend the past four years and grow mortgage 30% year over year as industry originations decline. scarlet: if you're leveraged towards the lending cycle? doug: more towards the penetration of online. scarlet: where do you think we are in the credit cycle? have quite a bit at stake, even if your leveraged to the growth of the industry think we- where do you are in the credit cycle and what does that say about people's morengness to take out loans? doug: we are indifferent about the credit cycle. a year and a half ago in the personal loan marketplace, lenders pull back and we grew through it because we've got -- scarlet: no interruption? all: no interruption at

because we both have a monetization advantage on the lenderred, we have a marketing challenge so as lenders pulled marketing costs grew and profits grew through it. joe: one of the themes in the is that a handful of companies like facebook, amazon, grow sore going to large that they dominate every industry in the world with profits and noly one else can compete and people talk about from time to time, though they've been less active, getting more involved in online fintech, becoming banks. does that concern you? there's a risk that amazon could a loan marketplace and become a major player there? doug: the neat thing about our space, similar to search, we have a monetization advantage with over 500 lenders, all the loan types, working us for over years. we've beaten microsoft at this once when they tried to create a marketplace and we've beaten

back froogle twice. our brand has been around and is known by over 70% of the u.s. and we're not depending on any one marketing channel. search and of tv, every other type of advertising. abigail: i come from a stock background. over this tremendous stock performance you have but high bearee a shortage, 18%. what don't the bears like about itr story and how does compare to the short interest six months, a year ago? doug: short interest has gone down as a percentage dramatically. it effectively happened as we proved out the business model. we've grown despite mortgage andinations going down personal lending cycle. more lenders benefit the platform. a convert a while back putting short interest on the stock. proven themve wrong. abigail: you expect it to go single digits? doug: i hope so. convert a short as much as

sell a long. i really don't care. joe: there's always the question about wall street and fintech, build versus buy. legacy institutions innovate and build. how do you see that? doug: the answer is absolutely yes. we've seen a major lender shift from start-ups, whether the lending clubs, the prospers and loan depot and quicken loans who joined early. you're seeing chase, citi, wells, getting into the mix and new technologies enable them to be more efficient changing the because wer business have more lender command and -- market again.can scarlet: doug lebda, founder and c.e.o. of lending tree. breaking news. equifax says there was a cyber security incident that

potentially impacts about 143 million u.s. consumers. the information accessed primarily includes names, social security numbers, birth dates, instances,nd in some driver's license numbers. it just seems to me that 143 a small number given how many are affected by and the stock off by after-hours trade. abigail: hurricane jose is a category three hurricane, according to the national hurricane center. these hurricanes don't seem to stop. harvey, irma, jose and katia, i behind that. from new york, this is bloomberg.

scarlet: "what did you miss?" the 2017 nfl season kicks off tonight with the new england patriots hosting the kansas city chiefs. backdrop is that tv viewership for the nfl was down last season. of thatto consider all as everyone in media gets ready for the new season. that andiscuss all of the wider world of sports business is leo hindery, partner of intermedia partners. thanks for joining us. to anything else, we had the ratings decline in the nfl season last year. one-offgree it was a with the election that people, weak matchups and colin kaepernick taking a knee turned off people? >> that gives too much credit to mr. trump. ground swells underway that are concerning. about a decade ago, the balance sports the value of programming as viewed by the consumers, the viewers, began to fall out of sync with the price of that programming. i have been around the cable whole career and for

25 years we had one sports in everynd now metropolitan area of the united states, we've exposed our $35 to $40 involuntarily each month for and at the same time a youth generation coming withhorter attention spans different devices. they don't sit on couches and programming.f ae nfl has an advantage with 16-game season but the longer products, 162 baseball games, 82 , and you findes these on different sources of programming, there are problems. young person i think looks at nfl as being manyommercialized, too advertisements, too little relative action. watch an nfl game tonight, starting at 8:00.

11:30.n't stay up until real issues. joe: you cite compelling issues about concerns for the sports industry. we've already seen probably the most famous brand in sports, into severalrun road bumps over the last several quarters, yet it seems we've got news this week about record values for the houston rockets. is there a certain level of unreality about how certain sports assets are valued? was an absurd price to play for the rockets. wall out concrete there and once you give viewers of a la carte or voluntary programming, only watch what you want to watch, you watch --what we grew up in an industry for ate what it you served and paid what i charged but there was only one sports earlier to as i said scarlet, joe, you've got eight dominant sports services competing across each other and there's been little correlation

decade now between viewership and the underlying whole sale cost to that programming. take espn. two years ago this month they 100 million households paying at $8 a month. 88 million but the cost of the programming it acquired hasn't gone down. in fact, in some cases, it's gone up. so there are brick walls out there and they'll be hard when hit them. abigail: sticking with that theme, it seems we're hearing a lot about a bubble in art, bubble in exotic cars, perhaps a bubble in stocks. though perhaps would you think this as a bubble in terms of the valuation of sports and if the cable industry somehow disrupts it? just sou think it's much money flashing around? leo: i don't think so it's a a trend moving adversely. it's more acute than a bubble. take the average household here in manhattan.

$40 ae spending $35 to month involuntarily just for the sports pieces. when given a choice to only watch and only pay for what they which is coming, it's unavoidably coming. it's happening with espn. be a wall out there and it will be a crash and it will show up in players' salaries. it will show up in the value of certaines and there's a amount of value to a franchise buttsw many what we call seats. alex rodriguez is making $25 million this year sitting in florida while the yankees play. because of the value of the yes network. as this stuff begins to cut down beitself, there will implications all over this country to municipalities who

arenas in stadiums to players coming up who expect to be the next lebron james in compensation. all of that will shift. former: you would know, chairman and c.e.o. of yes network, which airs the yankees games. nfl,we talked about the amazon will be live streaming nfl thursday night games, as well. somentrance of amazon in of these online players, means live sports rights have gone up and up. will online players do things differently? will they change the way things are done? they've helped drive prices higher. leo: they have but as i've to abigail, i think it's a wave coming down, scarlet. what you've got is a -- you're going to transition to the but you'reervices taking 100% of television households and paring that back and men whowomen want to watch it and the economics don't match.

households two years ago, 88 million today. the underlying cost of that didn't drop extraordinarily so these are long-term deals and football is different. football is a 16-game season and will drive -- it has a force behind it, its impacts will be felt less -- the impacts of what i'm talking about will be felt less in the near term but it will hit its moment, as well. 3 1/2 hours to watch that game tonight. joe: one thing that sports has going for it clearly in this media environment, it is youably the only media that have to watch live and so there's nothing else that you really have to watch at the same else.s everyone you can binge watch. thrones."game of joe: maybe "game of thrones." how much is this forcing people bid no matter what even if it's uneconomical prices because to not no alternative having it. leo: that's the problem of the

or purveyor head. you sit there as the head of espn, you still have to put the there. out there are seven other people trying to get the same product. that's a highly competitive environment but you have a fragile audience suddenly. to remember that for decades, when we formed the for decades, you ate what i served and paid what i charged and there's a whole it that says, let that doesn't fit me anymore. and abigail's right, the streaming services, they will have an impact. it will be an adverse impact. there's 100 million television households in the u.s. and almost no mathematician alive can turn 100 x and turn it into 88 y or 30 y. abigail: leo hindery, thank you so much.

dell,ahead, michael c.e.o. of dell technologies, thoughts on the evolving i.t. landscape. from new york, this is bloomberg.

abigail: one year ago today dell completed its largest acquisition of e.m.c. created delldeal technologies, the company that and operates everything from dell v.m. aware. chang sat down with c.e.o. michael dell about the future of landscape and possibilities for consolidation. what's: if you look at going on in the world, i.t. is shifting to b.t., business

technology, where you can't actually do anything without technology. you can't sell anything. you can't buy anything. can't make anything. can't have customer relationships. true across organizations of all sizes and government, society. so, i actually see the you considert when the role technology is playing so when i golarger visit the largest industrial companies or automotive companies, manufacturing, retail, they're thinking about how they use data in a different way. are very important. but ultimately it's the data business and when you start to layer on these next generation computer science, artificial intelligence, computer learning, data is the fuel for that. thetore more than half mission critical data in the

world and amount of data will grow much more in the next 30 years than it has in the last 30 years. it's doubling at a faster and faster pace because of all of nodes.onnected emily: will you ever go public again? michael: we're happy with our structure.ontrolled we have two public companies in quiteoup and it's working well. emily: we talked about m&a earlier. going to do aere lot of m&a but it's been fairly quiet. why is that? valuations? are you not seeing anything you like? m&aael: we've done some inside v.m. ware, done a little bit in dell e.m.c. we'll continue to explore m&a. dell dell technologies capital is investing in companies

into the future, working on new things. there's also what i would call a wicked consolidation going on in the existing parts of i.t. and we're using our supply chain, breadth, portfolio effect and innovation to drive that and in that core, as well. toly: would you more likely invest in hardware or services at this point when it comes to m&a? look at theyou things we're investing in, it's artificial intelligence, machine intelligence, next generation tocessor architectures enable new computing models, security, how do you enable the cloud native apps -- those kinds of things. we're pretty good at hardware, right, and we're going to continue to grind away at making that more and more efficient so theiries can run infrastructure in a super

efficient manner and look, we've innovation engine internally and with our partners to help make sure we continue to gain share. look at theyou competitive landscape, who can challenge dell more than it has? ofhael: there's no shortage competitors. we happen to be doing well relative to our competitors. i think the best way for us to plot our future is really to to our customers. if we're going around following that's nottors, really a great strategy. h.p.e., is it still the rival it once was? michael: they're not doing so these days. that's a better question for them but we're clearly gaining share and they're clearly losing share and some of it is this portfolio effect. innovation engine is on high. we've passed them in servers. they inr bigger than

storage. will customers ultimately vote with their feet and their dollars and they're voting for technologies. abigail: that was michael dell c.e.o. of dell technologies with emily chang. joe: coming up, what you need to know for tomorrow. ♪

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