♪ announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: we turn to politics. there was a rare instance of bipartisanship this week in washington. president trump blind-sided congressional republicans with a surprise deal with top democrats chuck schumer nancy pelosi. they agreed to raise the debt ceiling and finance the government through december. the announcement came a day after president trump's controversial decision to and daca -- and daca. joining me is jonathan swan.

i'm pleased to have him back on this program. let's talk about the daca decision or not decision. put that into context. he did not do what the republicans wanted him to do. he threw it back to congress. the decision may now come sometime next year and could be a continuing controversy which republicans fear could hurt their reelection in 2018. speak to that for me. with ad a conversation source who had spoken to trial though -- trump on friday of last week. this is today's before it was written his decision was made on daca, he was going to resend the program but give the six-month window for congress to act. this source came away from the conversation the president convinced his mind was not made up. something, i

cannot speak to whether he generally feels for these kids brought to america through no fault of their own by their parents and shielded temporarily by the obama administration or whether he understands the politics and media, the images of him getting rid of this program will be so bad. for one or other reason, he has grappled with this in a way he has not grappled with any other policy decision throughout the first eight months of his administration. he has been very reluctant to resend -- resend daca. i think it is an open question what happens in six months. i think there is little chance commerce will deal with this because congress cannot do with anything. if trump has to revisit it in six months time, who knows what he will do. we cannot assume he will rescind the program just because he has said he would. charlie: why is he hesitant? >> in what sense? charlie: to resend it.

>> he is surrounded by people telling him -- there is a tweet from ivanka before he ran for president celebrating the story of an undocumented immigrant. some of the people he is closest to our telling him stories of these young children, please protect these children. trump often talks about what he can and cannot sell. he knows this is a decision that will appeal to his base. but he also knows the news cameras and cable news 24/7 will be rolling on images of young americans who have committed no crime being rounded up and sent out of the country. the most heartrending stories will be put on the newspapers he reads every morning. he is aware this is what is inevitable if he does this. he ideally wants to kick this to

congress so he does not have to take responsibility for this. it may well in depth on his desk in six months time. charlie: who is urging him to go ahead and rescind it now? >> jeff sessions, the attorney general. relationship will never be what it was, but it effectively died about four months ago or whenever it was that sessions recused himself from overseeing the investigation into the collusion between russia and the trump administration. sessions has been in the icebox. they have not been talking one-on-one. if you saw his face, all you have to do to understand, look at the picture of his face before he did the press conference. he has this boyish grin on his face. sessions has lived for this. stephen miller, a senior white house aide, has lived for this. he works for just session. when they worked in the senate

to undermine the bipartisan inigration reform, they were a working group with right part where steve bannon was running the plays. they were working together to push stories about illegal immigrant crime. they did whatever they could to kill the legislation. now it has come full circle. this is why sessions took that job, to do things like rescind daca. charlie: we will have to wait six months and see what congress does? >> yeah. i think it is highly unlikely nowress -- the democrats have a lot more leverage going into december because donald trump has handed everything they want with the three-month debt ceiling. i assume the democrats will use daca as leverage in negotiations over the debt ceiling or government funding. it remains to be seen whether they will accept the tough order protection measures republicans

will demand an exchange for what they regard as amnesty. i still think it is a very heavy lift. charlie: where are mcconnell and ryan on this? >> ryan particularly has been quite dedicated to immigration reform. he would like to see this codified into law in some way. again, they will not let anything pass without tough , borderent measures security, e-verify, things of that nature. charlie: let me turn to the debt deal, are you surprised? >> yes and no. not only was i surprised but all of trump's team was surprised. this outgamed before hand. they were under the impression trump and the administration were moving towards a deal of some description with mitch mcconnell and paul ryan. that is what you do when you are a republican president. you deal with your republican

leaders on capitol hill. charlie: especially when they are in the majority. >> they are in the majority. as it has been described to me by baltimore people -- multiple people, inside the oval office, donald trump had a burst of inspiration. there's a lot that has laid the groundwork for this. on a personal level, he cannot stand mitch mcconnell. he is fed up with him. he views him as a failed in her -- field leader, low energy, thinks he is past his prime. on a personal level, he cannot stand him. trump has never liked paul ryan. he has viewed him as dorky and disloyal, presented he came out against 10 after the "access hollywood" tape during the campaign. thawing of falling -- the relationship but it was never genuine. trump has been gloating, giddy

almost about how he has made ryan and mcconnell squirm. he is rubbing it in their faces. he is talking about this deal with chuck and nancy, sort of parading around this deal he struck with the two democratic leaders on capitol hill. andar as i can establish, desist from multiple conversations with people around the president, this was not preplanned. this was something he saw in the room. he was frustrated with mcconnell. schumer was playing ball saying how about we do this. steve mnuchin, the treasury secretary, gave a pitch. trump cut him off and sided with chuck schumer. charlie: now you have the reaction from the pundits. some say trump loves the fact a lot of people like the fact he did this. he wants to be loved and he and it mayresponse

open the way to the beginning of something new. he has even suggested that. >> i'm always reticent to herald new eras in trump. i have covered him for two years now. he is a day-to-day player. he is governed by his impulses and what is required to get him through the next day. there is not a lot of long-range, strategic thinking. i'm not aware of long-range, strategic thinking for a lot of his moves. one thing that has been consistent for 30 years is he adores, needs, has insatiable need for media and positive media attention. he does not mind negative media attention. he just needs attention. but better if it is positive. we know he reads "the new york "the new york post" every morning. he was getting a rough time after charlotte still --

charlottesville. yes, people are mocking him for giving away the house to democrats. paving the path to bipartisanship. he gets to look like the big national leader at a time of national crisis the hurricane. the gets to look above politics. and he is never identified with the republican party. he never felt like a republican. i looked at his inaugural address today. he explicitly is presenting himself as an enemy of congress, running as the antidote to capitol hill. charlie: thank you so much. the pleasure to have you on the program. we will be right back. stay with us. ♪

♪ charlie: "the deuce" is a new hbo series. the series chronicles the lives s, and prostitutes, pimp police officers working around times square in 1971. here is the trailer. >> ♪ >> scary world out here. we could own this street. >> i don't need you or anybody else. frankie deals everybody in

new york city. >> we are going to get it and deliver. >> everyone against the van. >> i was you, i would take any offer that moved your ladies off the pavement. >> been running women off the streets for a while now. >> this is not news. >> we have called out city corruption before. >> there has been a change. something about community standards. apparently, new york has none. >> pure innovation. we can turn a dime into a dollar just like that. >> i want to learn how to make movies. it in europe,ll we can make and sell it here. this is america, right? >> there's going to be an opportunity.

>> what am i looking at? >> the future. >> when do we start? >> ♪ charlie: joining me now are the creators and executive producers, david simon and george pellicano's. and star, maggie gyllenhaal. james franco will join us in progress, we hope. where did this idea come from? >> george and working on a show years ago in new orleans. a guy on the crew had been researching this time in new york and had made contact with a guy who was a mob front on 42nd street, a barman who ran nightclubs and became involved and othersage parlors stuff including early pornographic film. as soon as we heard it, we were like, this sounds gratuitous, i

am not sure i want to get involved. but mark was persistent and asked us to meet with the fellow. we did. after about three hours, george and i walked out of that meeting to go smoke a cigarette even though neither one of us smoked. we looked at each other and said we are going to end up doing the show. charlie: is that how you saw it? >> yeah, the characters were so rich we could not ignore it. it fit into a lot of things we andinterested in like labor gender politics. the labor aspect of it is in this story the people doing all the work is typically true, get the least out of it. they are not working in a factory this time, but selling their own flesh. that was interesting to us and touched on different themes. charlie: i'm sure maggie has

things she wants to make sure it does and does not do. >> that was part of every conversation we had from the first time we met. for me, it was interesting because i have never been involved in anything ready script was not written before we began. we had three out of eight, and they were incredibly well-written. when you are an actor and read a bunch of scripts, you're getting the best ones. all of a sudden, you read something like this and it is exceptional. i had the impression we all wanted to say the same thing. but i did not know it for sure. charlie: what did you want to say? >> here is what i will say. i did not know exactly what i wanted to say going in. on an i was interested instinctive level, this woman called to me and the writing called to me. is goingought, aren't

right to the center of things playing a sex worker and exploring misogyny? you can explore misogyny from any place. but to play a sex worker who gets involved in porn. and just in general being a woman in relation to sex, making ,oney, to art, your own mind playing a prostitute is an interesting way in. i guess i was a little nervous about it. in 2017, playing a sex worker is a very delicate thing. and we did not know each other. charlie: did you say if this becomes titillating, maybe i will fail? >> if that is all it is doing and if it is doing it to any point of gratuity. i was worried about it slipping off on either side.

if it become. 10 and victorian and preachy, and we can only allude to what are not if he and prostitution are, we don't make it plain and blunt, then we are leaning into "pretty woman" country of mythologizing and not being direct about what is being sold. on the other hand, if the camera lingers too long or if the point of view is skewed towards gratuity, and you have fallen off the other side of the fence. landing it was important. maggie made a point. when she did it, i realized something. she came out with this and i thought that is smart. she saw it, not us. i think george and i were most concerned about not getting caught up in making porn.

we saw that is the real criticism of the show we wanted to address and avoid the premise of that. said something, i should probably let you say it, you basically noticed if somebody starts to become titillated by anything onscreen, and these have become real people. these characters are now fundamentally real and human, and you are now engaged in that dynamic of the acquisition of commodified flesh. that is a point of self reflection for a viewer. >> then you are viscerally involved if you are turned on. why not? who is not turned on by sex and sexuality? that is fair enough. if you are turned on and have to go home with that person and see them take care of their kids, see what their apartment looks like, see the consequences for that person of the work they do, all of a sudden, you have take -- have to take responsibility

for what just turned you on. then you are really involved in the show. charlie: this is also about economics. >> absolutely. this fellow started telling us the stories, the one thing i heard, as george just put it, labor is the product. you have this industry that had suddenly become street legal, pornography. the laborers are the product. to this day, there is no work.tion of sex you have this moment where this industry springs rapidly into being and these people are pioneers. the opportunity to make an allegory about unencumbered capitalism to me was really special. charlie: this is a clip in which maggie's character is telling a pimp that she does not need his

support. here it is. self.ake care of my own >> as well you should. >> are you looking for a date? ian't been nothing but good to her. >> where you going, baby? >> scary world out here, baby. cut.l to get all broke or this one girl i knew thought she could handle it herself. i served her a drano cocktail. >> are you threatening me? >> just the opposite. i'm threatening anyone who ever threatened you. >> nobody makes money off -- but me. i don't need you. i don't need anybody else. >> save money for me again.

>> money, money, money, money. >> yes, ma'am. charlie: we welcome james franco. welcome. we started talking about what the series would be. what brought you to it and tell me about the characters you play. >> i have a long story about how i was brought to it. "of micebroadway in and men" about three and a half years ago. i met with david about a different project i could not do. i said i am your biggest fan. i love "the wire." it is my favorite show. is there anything else in the pipeline? he said i have the show about new york in the 1970's, the rise of pornography. and then he said but, everybody wants to do a show about pornography and they are going to expect sex, you know,

gratuitous nudity, all the stuff. i am not going to give it to them. i thought, true. , he is one of the perfect people to do this show are uninterested in pornography in and of itself. i like to say david's pornography is exposing political corruption. that is like what gets him off. >> it takes me a long time. 10 or 12 hours of television. [laughter] and i thought, ok, that is great. but what is so great about all of the shows they have done is that they show every different stratum intertwined in whatever subject a are focused on. charlie: always authentic and

real. >> right. intote not wanting to get the grittiness of pornography itself, it would have to be part of the show. fan of grittyas a television and film that would balance out all of the political corruption. it would be a little entertaining along with the -- [laughter] charlie: television is a good place to go for both of you. >> yeah, television is where it is at. television is where the interesting content is. you cannot make an independent movie. you can. i made one this summer and we had nothing. i was literally changing my clothing on the set. we had nothing. here you have what you need. you can tell really interesting stories.

charlie: an hour and a half. >> i don't think andy's story would work in an hour and a half. >> you would be using shorthand for everything. now the characters, the arc of , there is no character that cannot be made more human with time. charlie: wider and deeper. >> yeah, wider and deeper. >> the other thing that excited me about this is it was on television. there was a book called "difficult men" where they laid out what has been called the third golden age of television starting with "the sopranos" and "the wire" and shows like that. it became so clear to me. as soon as they started doing fewer episodes because they are on cable or streaming networks,

you could spend more money on episodes. the writers were then able to arc a whole season because they were not encumbered with 20 plus episodes a season. they did not have to go episodically. they could plan everything out a season advance or a series in advance as they have done for this series. >> the other incredible thing which i had never experienced before was we had three scripts, we started to shoot, i know you had lots of ideas of how you wanted to tell the story. i also felt you guys responding to me. it changed. the ideas changed. who candy was changed. we were having a dialogue and relationship. i felt it really strongly. i have never done that before. i did "honorable woman." that was the other television thing. that was written and directed by

the same person. we shot it like it was a big movie. we would sometimes shoot episode one episode eight in the same day. it was entirely completed before we started. with this, i felt we were in conversation all the time. not explicitly, but i would read something that felt in direct relation to the way something had been played. i loved that. >> that is the way we work. don't get scared. if you thought about it too much, you have not written the shows yet while you are shooting, you would get shook up. i don't believe in over-outlining a novel either. i like the discovery and the ability to change. we have a destination in mind. there are a lot of things to get there that we want to explore. we brought them in as partners which is also unusual. charlie: as producers. >> yeah. charlie: and directing a couple

of episodes. you are as well? >> no, i said he's directing beautifully i think. charlie: if someone said to you, tell me five reasons why "the wire" was so successful. good acting, directing, and writing are essential things. what else was it? >> i think the best stuff at hbo and maybe premium cable in general is about something more than the overt theme. you watch "the sopranos." "the sopranos" is magnificent not because it is a gangster story, it is actually about family. it is about the empty hole at the core of the country, this --o space >> and so, if you are watching

it to see who got whacked on sunday night, you're seeing one level of "the sopranos." "the wire" was a critique of this divided america, of the fact that we have two separate americas traveling along the same half, but not really quite connected anymore. charlie: what does the critique induce? now, -- for us, right now, it is an opportunity to discuss gender politics, which we have done very little of. as we were filming this, we felt like there was something to be said about the culture of pornography and how it was almost this defining example of unencumbered capitalism. there is an interesting economic story. anyone who wants to save markets will determine the value of things and profit is the metric for measuring were kind of

society you build, take a look at this. watch this product get made. watch this product get marketed. we felt like that was there. we were filming during the election cycle. with trump and clinton. all of a sudden, i started to feel like "you know what? capitalism is one thing, but misogyny, the fact that this is so ingrained in the culture that, you know, the fact that he was able to run through that moment, through the puss y-grabbing moment and become president of the united states says all you need to know about who we are and how men and women -- that's an was directed at clinton and almost every woman in public life. my wife is a novelist. essayist, are a

journalists, novelist, public figure of any kind, and you try to opine or assert in the public realm your ideas, what comes back to you in the comments sections come on twitter, it is how men got to the point where they felt even anonymously that they could talk about women this way. you cannot tell me that does not have something to do with the last 50 years of pornography becoming you because this and becoming more and more -- charlie: like a product? , somethingbasic way has been transformed in terms of how men and women look at each other, especially how men look at women and what they feel entitled to. and i think this last election cycle really to find that in a way that surprised -- here i am working on a show about misogyny, and this is going on, and i am thinking "man." charlie: in 2016-2017?

>> yeah, we were all on set, talking about it. >> we thought we were in a different place than my work, and after the result of the election, it was, you know, laid bare. all on the table, the level of misogyny we are living with every day. and you cannot make a show about one without -- about pron without some aspect of it. it is kind of an amazing time now that i think we have all been forced to take a look at where we really are. let us talk about misogyny and sexism in america. amazing time to be talking about this show and airing this show where that is such a major theme. relevances there any to the idea of charlottesville and racism? you asked me politically

what is going on at this moment in the country, i would say that is the backlash against women and people of color distinctly linked in the most optimistic way i can imagine. i think we're looking at a moment which is the last primal in thisf white males society, the last moment of "i just lived through eight years of a president of color. you are asking me to buy in on a female president? and i am going to go kicking and screaming, because what was mine, what i perceived to be my status of privilege within a culture is now being laid bare, entirely vulnerable, and i am fighting back." i don't think you can divorce that from the phenomenon that is donald trump. charlie: how do you write that? [laughter] >> is any character said what i just said, we would get him off the page. >> we come from an era when

pornography for us was a playboy , which is basically looking at a picture of a woman's breasts. the same kid today opens his laptop -- charlie: whatever he wants. >> everything, including violent images against women. it cannot help but permeate the psyche of the culture. and this is where we start, the beginning of it. >> can i say an example of how you wrote it? there is a scene in the second episode where i go to make ua theyand instead of cum, used potato soup and a turkey baster, and they sort of it all over me and another woman's face. i cannot think of a more the degradingage --

image. it is totally authoritative, and at the same time, my character is taking it because that is what she is used to, and she can handle it, and she is totally mesmerized by the lights that they are using to shoot the pron with and the frame of the camera, because she has never seen anything like it before, and actually, she is a filmmaker. in that one image, which is funny, which is awful, and actually kind of heartbreaking, and weirdly, strangely kind of like an opening up of this woman in this other way, you have actually said what we are talking about. without having to write like the political monologue you just gave. that is how you write it. that is one way. >> i develop my mom will watch this show, but she wanted "charlie rose." now i have to go home and a claim to dorothy simon -- >> now, your mom is definitely not going to watch the show, and

neither is mine. >> that scene was written by richard price. i want to credit him. good old richard. >> my mom will definitely watch it. charlie: because of your money? >> because of the description. [laughter] charlie: tell me about your characters here. >> i played twins. identical twins. one of them were responsible of the brothers, and the other is just, you know, a guy who does not think about consequences and have never thought about them his whole life. charlie: dependent on your brother? >> the irresponsible one basically gets in trouble, in debt to the mob, and the mafia goes to the responsible brother. the basically tell him "you - better bail him out or something bad is going to happen." that start the chain of events that holds the responsible

rather, vincent, and then frankie into this whole underworld that was opening up with -- to theind of traced mayor at the time, mayor lindsay, who was trying to make the streets of new york look, you know, clean, because he was running for president, because he was running a bathroom deal with the mob if they took the prostitution off the street and put it indoors, they would not be bothered, and so, vincent and frankie kind of get pulled into the world as from an that. -- fronts men for that. charlie: here is a conversation between the two brothers. [video recording] >> boo! >> hey! how about a ginger ale? hey, baby brother. working stiff.

betting? let me see. i was sitting down at that barstool at that barstool couple of hours ago, looking for you. 30 large. >> who? he came to you? >> in queens. no, frankie. this is going to buy your ignorant, degenerate -- i always said you was no fun, and you just proved it. >> yeah? the mostwhat is interesting thing about your character, candy? >> if i had to pick one thing, it is that she is a sex worker, and that is her job, but i think she is also really an artist, surprised by being an

artist, and the way she finds out she is an artist is by going to someone's basement and making up in aand it wakes her way she cannot put back to sleep. >> there is a scene late in the run where you're trying to explain to the guy with the camera that he is doing it wrong, and she is basically throwing the hitchcock dialectic of how the camera should move at the guy, but of course, she knows it instinctively. and we had a lot of fun with that. the plan being pulled was "nevermind, mr. truffle, or whoever." nevermind the textbook, i can see that is wrong. that is the artist. charlie: thank you. great to see you. pleasure to have you. >> happy to be back. airs sundaye deuce" nights at 9:00 p.m. on hbo. stay with us.

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charlie: reid hoffman is here. he is one of silicon valleys he isespected and said investors. he cofounded linkedin, the social networking site. microsoft announced plans to acquire linkedin for more than $26 billion. the deal is expected to close later this year.

the venture capital firm has biggestome of tech's successes including bets on facebook, dropbox, and airbnb. let me turn to your company, linkedin. you sold it to microsoft for $26 billion? how long ago did you form this company? reid: so almost 15 years. we starteds when working on it. it has been a labor of love, like all labors. charlie: applet place was facebook at that time? reid: facebook in 2002 had not been started yet. had not been found it yet. charlie: he was not in harvard at that time or whatever? reid: he either just got to harvard or was just getting into harvard. charlie: he started linkedin before facebook was a reality? reid: back then, it was like friendserve. charlie: you decided what are my

needed was a place that a lot of people of a similar sort of interest in terms of their professional lives could communicate with each other? reid: yes. the thought was is that part of what the internet changes is we all have our identities online and having your professional identity online can make a difference ro khanna jobs and economic opportunities. the best way to improve a system is to enable people to help each help eachle -- other. that can be a great economic opportunity and that was the basic idea behind linkedin. charlie: how many people use it now? reid: over 430 million. charlie: facebook has 1.3 billion or something like that? reid: it may be bigger than that. who knows. charlie: what is the possibility of linkedin? reid: we hope to enable every professional. what we mean by professional is someone who can learn better skilled at their job, not like lawyers and doctors. it can be a coffee store manager, anybody. the economice

trajectory to be able to make better of themselves in terms of what kind of economics they make, what kind of job. charlie: and other people may have ideas or connections? for business,ons learning opportunities. anything that allows you to invest in yourself and have a better economic outcome. charlie: so why did you sell it? reid: both jeff and i, jeff are in the ceo, we both service to the mission. how do we enable our members to have the best possible, you know, experience of investing in themselves? and it was a long, very thought out decision. we said combining with microsoft , microsoft's primary mission is productive. we care about individuals. so we thought actually, in fact, one plus one can be much greater than two. is it five, is it 10?

in our missions, which are essentially friends, collaborators. and this could actually help us reach our mission. there are a ton of people who use microsoft products productively everyday. underlyingn be office, windows. there are things we can do to make it much more helpful. charlie: when you look around at the big five, they seem like the best? reid: in order to get to -- for our mission. charlie: for your mission? reid: help individuals with their best possible economic opportunity, help them be more productive. those are the things we care about at linkedin. withe perfectly happy people being entertained and with people, you know, kind of having a public discourse on funny cat pictures or anything else. that is great. that should be part of people's lives. that is awesome. that is not what we do. what we do is we help you get to the best possible ways of doing your job or the best possible --

charlie: has there been an examination of growth in the last several years? or has it simply been segment? -- stagnant? reid: it has been a light acceleration at the numbers. charlie: the mass is heavy, and therefore you -- reid: exactly. days to get to our first one million members. we are over 430 million members. charlie: how about virtual reality? reid: there are many cycles where people describe virtual reality as the next big thing. virtual reality is better. if people have not checked out virtual reality, they should. it is getting to the point where the science-fiction of maybe we will take our classes for our kids, maybe that will be in virtual reality. maybe "the charlie rose show" will be in reform reality? there is a lot of prospects. before we really see there is kind of science fiction futures,

we will begin to see more mass-market adoption of either a movie thing or an entertainment ring. and i think the technology is good enough for it. are we there yet? charlie: they would film a movie in virtual reality? reid: and the way you would show up to experience the movie -- charlie: i am sure we demonstrated on this program and ensure everyone watches this knows about it, but you would, if you are watching a movie major virtual reality, you would feel like you were on the set? reid: you would be a character in the movie. that would actually be the way you would experience it. i think we are certainly going to see it. the on is when. three years? five years? seven years? 10 years? charlie: artificial intelligence, which i am enormously interested in -- give us the lay of the land, give us a sense of why everybody, whether it is facebook or google or anybody -- reid: most of the techniques being used for these results, whether it is the world champion these, whether it is

great results in radiology and being able to read cancer charts better than the vast majority of ability to doe self driving cars, all of these things, the techniques have you called some. there actually has not been a game changing new algorithm. that is the cloud, a lot of cpus data. you can use them on a much bigger scale. that is essentially what has created the current ai revolution. and what it allows, the way to think about it is decisions that human beings can do in one second can now be, to a large data set, trained to the massive server farms in the cloud. they can now be done by computers. classification of images, parsing ailing which, -- parsing , driving or those are

all decisions under one second. all of that classification comes essentially from these learning networks which allow the program, through integration of multiple human lifetimes of data, because that is how the computer does it is it invests so much data that it actually can make decisions in that kind of things like humans. that is the revolution we are seeing. everything from self driving to medical, to parsing link which, literally, the sky is the limit. charlie: what it can do is sadly figure out because of algorithms it has in the development of the app, it can figure out how to analyze the information. reid: basically what happens is they are classifiers. "b?"is an "a" or is this a left or right? there is supervised learning and unsupervised learning. supervisors are human, they go

in and say "here are the cases when you should decide this is an "a" and when you decide this is not an "a." unsupervised did you this very broad -- a simple example is, " ok, a robot. i wanted to move from the side of the warehouse to that side of the warehouse. i will not teach you had to move, how to walk, how to roll, how to opt. i am simply going to give you a score with a gps locator moving toward the right thing." the robot will learn -- most of them learn to walk. some of them learn to roll, some of them learn to hop. that is unsupervised learning. you are not teaching at the specifics other than giving it a high score. charlie: it teaches itself? it teaches itself by doing what? trial and error? is these aiappens algorithms are smart enough that they build, essentially, a classifier. they realize that "when i moved

my legs this way, my score of getting closer to my end goal went better, so that is good. so now i am teaching myself how to walk. how do i learn to do that better so that now i can walk?" that is the kind of thing that is the magic of what we are seeing with these algorithms and modern artificial intelligence. charlie: when you take all of these kinds of things -- is there anything about this that worries you? reid: broadly, like many of my folks in virtual reality, i am a techno-utopian. of pain and a lot sorting it out. it is not that it is 100% -- that is foolishness. our notions of privacy change. if someone had described you facebook before it existed, he would have gone "that seems like an awful invasion of privacy," and get over one billion people every day are using this,

sharing experiences, and pictures. that said, what i think is key is to pay attention to the issues and try to navigate the technology to get most of the benefits. it is like, you know, people have always been worried about the industrial revolution, information revolution, always worried about the downsides. they should be. it is not wrong to be worried about it. but if we look back at our own history, we go "we are a lot better off when we deploy those revolutions and we figure out how to make humanity better." we put innge things, child labor laws. there are things that are really important. "let us make sure we solve privacy. i think we need to solve privacy of medical data and that thing." kind of

if we can get the data in some accessible way, we can lead healthier lives and identify key diseases earlier and their pubic. those things are important. so broadly speaking, i am a likean, but that is not -- for example, let us take one of the classic ones around ai. are we going to have great labor transloc utions? the answer is yes. that is already happening with many fracturing. it happens. the thing we need to do is come as a society, help the people who are being shifted to find other productive ways of being good members of society, and it is on welfare. my job here matters. i can do something fun. we should do that together. both as entrepreneurs and as government, we should all do that. the big one will be self driving. nationalism is what this country was built on. the american system.

right? to go back to that and look after our own, our citizens, our manufacturing base. this countries were to be greater, more united, more powerful. this is not astrophysics. that is every nationality, every race, every religion, every sexual preference, as long as you are a citizen of our country. as long as you are an american of this you are part populace, economic nationalist movement. by the way, that is 75% of the country. we will get there. that is why clinton is so -- the smart guys in the democratic party get it. tim ryan gets this. the guys get this. the people around schumer get this. they understand it. they are trying to get the identity politics out. they are trying to run. the only question before us -- "is it going to be a left-wing populism or a right-wing dualism?" that is the question that will be answered in 2020. ♪

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