♪ announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." ♪ we turn to north korea, relations fraught since the end of the korean war. several months have seen an escalation's intentions as north korea ramps up its nuclear program. following north korea's largest nuclear test, the united nations voted to step up sanctions against the regime. feared that a violent confrontation is increasingly likely. -- who me now is

recently traveled to pyongyang for the new yorker magazine. andffers us an inside look writes "in 18 years of reporting , i never felt as much uncertainty at the end of a project, a feeling that nobody is able to describe with confidence how the other side thinks." i am pleased to have him on this program. welcome. tell me how this trip took place. who was on the trip, its purpose and plan? idea thatn with the we have to go to north korea and understand what is going on. have diplomatic relations, so you can't go to an embassy in washington. you can use the new york channel, and in formal office northxists within the

korean mission to the united nations who manage relations with the united states. i contacted them and said we would like to come. they said it will take a while. it took five months. by august, we made an arrangement for me to go with a photographer and assistant come and the three of us went in on august 14. it happened to be this was a couple of days after donald trump had tweeted the united states was as he put it locked and loaded for a potential confrontation. charlie: what happened? had a messagey they wanted to send the rest of the world. this was not a casual choice. typically allow in reporters in large groups. what they wanted the world to , over and over they

said it, is that will not give up their nuclear program. if there was ever a point where they might have been willing to argan that the way, they believe that moment has passed. statesmoment, the united , its strategy is predicated on trying to get north korea to give up its nuclear program. charlie: why does it want a nuclear program? >> this has been a source of tremendous debate. they say they want it for self-defense. their leader does not want to other leaderske who had nuclear programs and gave them up at the request of the united states, and ultimately both removed from office and executed. not by the united states. they talk about it openly. george bush said let this be a lesson to other countries. in 2011, the united states and

nato assisted in the overthrow of the regime. that is what they are conscious of. there is another element, which is important, which is if they do achieve self defense, then do they go further? do they see to try to unify with self korea and use this weapon to course the united states. that is one of the big debates going on right now. charlie: kim jong-un is a leader, but is he a rational leader? >> this is the question that analysts are struggling with. the answer based on people i have spoken to is that he is rational. he can be dealt with. .hey don't believe he is mad they don't believe he is out of control. believe is he is

protecting his national interests in the way he thinks he should, but that is putting him on a trajectory towards confrontation with the united states. he ise look at what doing, we see him moving down this path towards greater tension with the u.s., but there have been moments where he has shown himself to be capable of restraint. charlie: what else do they know about him? 2011,n he took power in the u.s. knew almost nothing about him. hada analyst said they little more than a single photograph of him as an 11-year-old boy. since then, they have discovered quite a bit. to be aroved himself more skillful tactician than we thought. some of that is brutal. north korean politics is a brutal business. he has removed senior officials from power to solidify his control. he is very much in control of

the country. he is the top decider. he is the one that matters. the notion he is not running the country is not valid. he is very much in control. obviously has brought that country closer to nuclear weapons than his father or his grandfather, and he must have some skill to be able to do what he has done, no matter how ruthless it has been. >> that's right. one of the things he has done that has surprised analysts is he is willing to tolerate public failure. there have then a number of tests, missile launches, which have failed. in an earlier generation, they would have covered that up, but very early on, he began to let people know that scientists would be allowed to fail. he knew the only way they would make rapid progress would need to have tests back to back. result, they have been able

to accelerate their progress. they are now at a point where we thought they would be in 5-10 years, but one of the things we have to keep in mind is whether or not he is willing to compromise. this is something his father was able to do. , he was constantly playing against the united states in a way that he would provoke and get to the negotiating table. has not shown he has the ability to know when it is time to sit down. in the white house, they are waiting for a signal from north korea that it is time to negotiate. know if he would like to see korea unified? the drivingbeen ambition of his country ever since his grandfather founded it , to reunify the korean peninsula.

the question is whether he is willing to use force, or is this just an abstract goal. the analogy is like taiwan and mainland china. it is something that beijing talks about, aspiring to reunify the country, but they are not willing to take steps to do it, and that gives the u.s. reason to do with china. is in the broader sense committed to unification, that is ok. wantouth koreans unification as well, but the u.s. will not relinquish its support for south korea by removing troops. they have to be sure before they begin to make concessions to north korea that they are not setting themselves up for the day when they discover north korea has sought to invade south korea. the view broadly felt is that he is most likely looking for self-defense. he is not looking for the

conditions by which he could re-invade south korea immediately. that means there may be opportunity. say in the second part of the court i began, "we simply don't know kim jong-un regards the use of his countries nuclear arsenal or how much seclusion and mythology has distorted its understanding of american resolve. we don't know whether kim jong-un is taking greater risks because he is willing to fulfill his family's dream of retaking south korea or because he is afraid of ending up like gaddafi . we do not know." was one of the amazing things about being there. you get a sense everywhere you go that they are inking and talking about their weaponry. it is on every billboard. it is on the television when you are watching it at lunch. government officials say we have

now achieved the ability to meet the united states had to head, toe to toe, if we need to. understandwe need to now ultimately what are they prepared to do. are they going to press the button? my impression from being there is they have no illusions. they don't believe they could get into a war with the united states and ultimately survive it , but they are scared at the moment. frankly, they are disconcerted by the fact that the u.s. president is talking about fire and fury. they are confused by the number of voices out of washington. mattis,e general rex tillerson, donald trump, and they are not sure what the united states is preparing. the risk is that if north korea gets the impression the u.s. is prepared to attack, then north

korea may do something self-destructive, but take a lot of lives elsewhere, so it is important that the united states should send the message we are not seeking to attack north korea. charlie: it is ever present, the idea of china and somehow the u.s. believes that if only china would step up, they could persuade north korea, at least to freeze their nuclear program, if not do something else that would reduce the fear of the united states. >> i think china's position on this is evolving slowly, but in important ways. they have been reluctant to do pressure ont pyongyang, afraid of collapsing the regime. they don't want north korean refugees coming over the border or american troops taking over the peninsula in the event of a collapsed state. charlie: thank you so much. back in a moment. stay with us. ♪

♪ charlie: apple's widely anticipated special event took placed today in california. it was the first keynote in the steve jobs theater at apple's new campus. apple unveiled new models for the iphone 8 and iphone 8 plus. x.also introduced the iphone the product marks the

anniversary of the iphone launch and costs $1000. the first iphone revolutionized a decade of technology and change the world in the process. now, 10 years later, it is only fitting that we are here in this to reveal as day will set the path for technology for the next decade. the screen eliminates the home button and uses facial recognition software to unlock. it also introduced apple watch series three and apple tv. are our guests. i am pleased to have all of them. set the scene for us today and the reaction there in cupertino.

>> i have to say it was powerful. you can see the steve jobs theater behind me. it is breathtaking. , walkinga glass wall down for stories deep into the theater, and they opened today's presentation with the voice of steve jobs talking about what it means to make wonderful products and share them with the world, with humanity. his wife was in the audience. tim cook came on stage and took a moment to remember steve. he got a bit emotional talking about how he misses talking to steve every day. he said today is not just a day , but theack at steve first-day we can start thinking about steve with happiness. this is the beginning of a new decade, a new generation of technology, for apple, for the iphone, so ver some

poignant words. charlie: do you see this as the beginning of something new? is a substantial upgrade to the phone which is probably the most popular product of the century. it has transformed the company. saying itop short of is a transformational product. it is not a drastic change. has a bigger screen, sharper screen, face recognition, other itngs we can talk about, but is still not drastically different than the ones that came before. it is just a pretty good upgrade. charlie: what do you think? >> steve israel. it is an incremental upgrade. amount we use these, it is basically a body of appendage at this point.

a lot of people will say it is worth it to have the latest. charlie: price will not deter -- >> it will do terror sound. they have a wonderful range of options with the iphone. you can spend $400 to $1000 depending on what you are getting, so you have a big range of price points. they have a good offering for a lot of the market. steve and the reference to the next generation is that apple's campus was one of the last things that steve played a big .art in the theater itself is just amazing. >> i did a big story for wired about the campus. they struck by how much referred to steve. the last few years, they have been trying to avoid what would steve have done?

with this campus, they made an exception. in part because the last couple of years of his life, steve spent a lot of time working on this campus, so they were going from his plans, then he handed it over. it is one thing to remember and live in tha building he visualized, but it's another thing to say, what would steve have done? >> they haven't done that. some people wish they had. we are still waiting for the first totally new products from apple. i know there are some in the works we can talk about. charlie: let me go back to emily about the watch. there is a new watch and apple tv. tell us about that. they unveiled and

apple tv set-top box compatible with four k. you need a four k tv set to use it. they did demonstrate four k video. it is much crisper. they talked about the apple watch, an analyst on our show said the apple watch is a sleeper hit. they played up the health care features, the fitness and tracking features. .ow you can buy it untethered there is an interesting irony here. you were talking about the meaning of doing this at the steve jobs campus, there is an irony that this is an end of an era, but a fresh start for apple. we have seen 10 cook coming forward and putting a stronger stamp on the company. -- tim cook coming forward and

putting a stronger stamp on the company. spectacularng a job. he has the toughest act in history following the chief executive. product.e is a unique it had a huge impact on the world, profitability. the idea that apple would pull another rabbit out of their hat is dreaming. they have invented the watch and the services business, so the company has done well under tim cook. they need another breakthrough like the iphone? >> this is an extremely healthy company. the smart phone market is maturing. if you look at the services business, it is growing rapidly. the watch is growing, so it is a healthy company. there is a lot to do.

steve says he knows what is coming next. steve: you can see the signs of where they are going. striking that was very , one of the more impressive parts of this keynote today, which had a lot of great stuff. reality products -- cook talks about all the time. >> they built this platform for augmented reality. the thing that comes after the smartphone is probably a quiet happeningis already within not only apple, but amazon, facebook, certainly google. it is to make the phone really

disappear. theny i'vive said we made iphone 10 screen disappear. the next step is to make it really disappear and have some sort of augmented reality glasses that brings computing in front of your eye. all these companies have patents on this right now. charlie: thank you for joining us. we will be right back. stay with us. ♪

♪ we continue with part two of my conversation with steve bannon. this conversation first aired sunday on 60 minutes , then for the hour on this program last night. tonight, we talk about transition and governing, plus the trump agenda. i begin with the definition of populism. it is anti-elitism, anti-crony capitalism, people saying that there is a corrupt permanent political class in washington, d.c. link to financiers on wall street and the high tech community in silicon valley and hollywood.

standing aside, and seeing the manufacturing base of this country be exported overseas, to see a rising middle class in asia at the expense of working class people in this country, so populism -- what this movement and what donald trump has been able to to galvanize is jacksonian populism, which is concerned about the elite of washington dc. very anti-elite. if they were smart, we would have a different situation. inextricably16 are linked. early 2013started in in 2014 because i saw this guy a populist,,

anti-establishment party and i said that is a canary in the mine shaft. ukip, we will understand the evolution of the party. charlie: what about marine le pen in france, loss? steve: when you look around the world, the ways of going his populism and nationalism. the question before us in the united states in europe is will it be a left-wing socialist populism or a center-right populism. winger,e pen is a right but economically, she is virtually as socialist. peopleough to galvanize -- it is different than the center-right coalition. what we have in the united states, jeremy corbyn versus the that type of

populism, anti-elite populism he see in bernie sanders -- by the way, in key districts, 15%, 60% of bernie sanders voters voted for trump because they are economic nationalist -- charlie: they were voting for change. steve: let me talk about the three basic components. going to stop is mass, illegal immigration and cut back dramatically legal immigration. number two bank, bring manufacturing jobs to the u.s. number three, get us out of these pointless foreign wars. those are the three basic touchstones of the trump movement. building the wall and all sorts of stuff, but those are the three broad categories. if you go back to the speeches, you can see that time and again. that is the change that people want.

said, steve, it is amazing. i just read a study. there is a direct correlation between the factories that have moved to china and the opioid crisis down to the congressional district, so you can see there is a correlation. understand that bringing back these manufacturing jobs are very important. charlie: you go through a transition. the one important thing at the beginning of the transition, the next morning, trump, there is an important decision made, and that is we ,ut a coalition together to win paul ryan and people came in and out as there were heated moments in the campaign. paul ryan waved us off coming to will be abecause it waste of time come it instead we

went to minnesota. after we won, there was a fundamental decision that was made to you my call it the original sin of the administration. you saw it that night in the acceptance speech. we embrace the establishment. in a president like donald trump's mind and in the family's mind, i agreed with the decision. you had to staff a government. i had never been in a campaign my entire life. bake former investment banker, media guy. he looks around and i'm wearing my combat jacket. i have not shaved, and he is thinking, i have got to put together a government. i need to embrace the establishment. we did. the whole thing -- charlie: he needed to govern.

>> i need to govern. i need people to help. so if he had chosen mitt romney as secretary of state, that would eat good with you? >> during the 2012 campaign when mitt romney had the most traction, he is the biggest hawk on china. we weren't looking at a broad range of people. we looked at general kelly, .avid petronius we looked at a wide range of people. inte not get mitt romney question mark let the president do his own due diligence. as we went on, people had reservations about loyalty, but particularly given his ankle on china, i thought of smart. -- angle on china, i thought it

was mark. -- smart. -- the president-elect spent a lot of time with each other. they have a similar outlook on the middle east, on russia, maybe not so much on china, but the middle east and russia we thought we'd be too hot areas. charlie: you are running against washington and the establishment and the people you are choosing to come in. >> some are establishment. some are anti-establishment. you have to stamp of government. maybe you get people in the second-tier or third tier, but you have to coach these people up. are not a lot of anti-establishment folks ready to step in as secretary of state. that decision was made that would not be rudy giuliani. he did six shows on billy bush sunday. he was the only person who went. he went out there.

to me, he is a guy who will always have your back. on billy bush sunday -- charlie: you took names, didn't you? >> i did. i'm irish. you weren't there for me on billy bush sunday, i won't be there for you? >> i will always know that when a guy like trump runs to the gunfire, you will be back in the foxhole. reince priebus, i love the guy. he was a tough guy. and by the way, rudy giuliani was there. the president made a decision. trump is a good guy at weighing and measuring people. he made a decision that rudy giuliani would not be secretary of state. charlie: and newt gingrich? have had a pick of things and he was upfront at the

time that i've got more to do for you guys on the outside than inside. he could have had his pick of what he wanted also. general flynn. -- and that's why general flynn was selected. jared kushner came in afterwards and we talked and the president wanted general flynn right out of the box, so he was selected right away. general flynn, rudy giuliani, sessions, etc., chris christie because of the billy bush weekend was not looked at for a cabinet position. charlie: he wasn't there for you on billy bush weekend, so he would not have a cabinet position? plane leaves the at 11:00. if you are on the plane, you are on the team. he did not make the plane. that was on saturday. the plane leaves at 11:00. those on the team are on the plane.

rudy giuliani was on the plane. governor christie was not. all that nonsense about jared kushner could not be farther from the truth. never heard jared kushner say anything negative about governor christie. everything he has said is always positive. performance, on and i like chris christie a lot. he has tremendous attributes. prepped,st debate, he came back and worked, but it was billy bush weekend that always stuck in my mind. january 20, you take office. what did you want the president to do in that inaugural speech? , i'm telling you, donald trump work that speech in mar-a-lago. , economicry populism nationalism speech. it was a very forceful speech.

it was forceful and a way of fin refine rhetoric. it is a powerful speech. charlie: nobody had heard and inaugural speech like that ever. >> that's what i think it was so powerful. he laid out what trump is going to do. he took the structure of lincoln's second inaugural, and then war came. he goes through all the things that led to civil war. that is the way he structured it. arrives the hour of action. charlie: the call to arms. his what that speech was. >> absolutely. 100%. he worked on that speech more than any speech he has ever worked on. the only thing i said at the time, i just wish -- the night before, we spent into the wee hours of the night to make sure the teleprompters were working.

that beautiful setting on a chilly night while it was drizzling, getting ready for it, i told him at the time that if we can only turn the podium backwards and face the permanent political class. facing the capital and facing the permanent political class. you are like an old testament prophet laying out the bill of indictment and how your laying out the change could i thought it was very powerful. charlie: let's talk about the new sheriff in what he wanted to do. what is the highest priority of this president? , economy, the economy immigration, economic nationalism. what he did with enforcement of and hisgration laws whole effort to talk about how how going to put up quotas, it will be a new day in america.

we are bringing manufacturing jobs back. we have no tax cut. if you read the presser, they are still thinking about tax reform. he has 3% economic growth today. he has the lowest hispanic unemployment, lowest black unemployment, lowest overall unemployment in 17 years. wages and agricultural at the lowest level. they are on the rise. we are seeing wage increases. you know what that is? it is economic nationalism. it is controlling illegal immigration and letting the world know that if you want to be in business, business investment is up 10%. was in the eyes of so many people, and it is what people respect america for, people have been able to come here, find a place, contribute to the economy.

that is what immigration had been in america. you seem to want to turn it around. steve: you could not be more dead wrong. on her was built citizens. charlie: we are all immigrants. steve: this is the thing the left to say. charlie, that is the need you. america is built on her citizens. look at the 19th century. the built america was american system from hamilton, pope, henry clay, lincoln, to the roosevelt's, a system of protection of our manufacturing, financial system that lends to manufactures and control of our borders. we are not anti-emigration. in fact, donald trump wanted tom cotton and senator purdue to come up with a system that benefits america, and immigration system that is merit

based. it's not we are anti-immigration. we are for citizens of the country, regardless of raise, ethnicity, religion, sexual preference. people have been if this are rated like unlimited illegal immigration, hispanic and black working-class in this country. the power of this campaign and what we talked about with sessions. trade and illegal immigration are two sides of the same coin crushing the worker. thetrade deals just bring power of cheap, international labor from its point of origin. is justimmigration bring that foreign labor to the united states. it is crushing pressure on the working class in this country. that is irrefutable. bernie sanders back in the old stopping illegal immigration, so were the labor unions. it is quite simple.

by the way, that's what we support. will we don't support, h-1b visas. in this country, grammar schools, everything is on a stem program, science, technology, engineering, math. we have done away with history, art, culture, but they can't get into engineering schools and get jobs in silicon valley. it silicon valley wants to bring in foreign labor to compete with them unfairly. why is that? we are not going to solve the problem in this country into we have black and hispanic kids in silicon valley in the engineering schools. we have hundreds of thousands of --s from india and china hang on -- computer science schools, and you will not solve that until you open things up to american citizens. charlie: they come here and make huge contributions to our economy, technology, science, and you don't want them to stay?

steve: i did not say that. have 1.2, should we million immigrants every year? we have done that every year since 1964. how was that number pulled out of a hat? what we want is a merit a system so those people that can contribute in a meaningful way we still come here, but still have citizens in this country that have to be taken care of, and that is the promise of donald trump. i'm looking out for you as a citizen. whether you are hispanic, black , evangelical christian, what ever your sexual preference is, you are un-american citizen and i will defend your right. charlie: let's go down the list of things donald trump wanted. he wanted to do away with replace., repeal and it didn't happen. steve: that is the original sin of this administration.

here was the plan that was laid out. they would take obamacare, a three-part program, we would take the taxes come of the tax reform, then we would take infrastructure as phase three. people said, why did you start with infrastructure first. infrastructure is quite complex. charlie: you had to postpone that to 2018. steve: let me tell you the worst thing. the plan was to do obamacare because paul ryan said we have done this for seven years. we voted on this 50 times. we understand this issue better than anybody. we know how to repeal and replace. this is ours. we will have something on your desk by easter. we will do repeal and replace. come back from easter, taxes. come back from the summer break

on labor day, we drive him to the end of the year on infrastructure. we accomplish all three big legislative goals in the first year. charlie: this is what the leadership and the house and senate told you? steve: it was a deal. charlie: you are blaming them for all of this? steve: i am not blaming them. i am saying as a statement of fact that they were going to take repeal and replace. thatare the first to admit there is why dissension inside the republican caucus. they could not even repeal it in june in the senate. they put it up for vote and had only 41 votes. there was wide discrepancy in the republican party. the leadership at the time did not know it until the very in. let me tell you about obamacare. there is something being worked on by lindsey graham, rick santorum which is modeled on the 1996 welfare reform where it devolves it back to the states. that is probably the highest probability and one last shot we have to fix obamacare. come to that it

where the choices to fix obamacare? steve: the choices you will not be able to repeal it. i don't believe there is an alternative now, at least this alternative that rick santorum and them are working on, that you get a full repeal. you will still have some of the architecture. i think that is a reality. that was not thought of by the republicans. they told us we have done this for seven years. this has been our number one issue against obama, obamacare. we have tom price. he should be your secretary of hhs because he is the intellectual leader in this effort. that whole effort, you see from the debate, from what was happening every day, the republicans themselves did not have their hands around this issue. at ase: it is now looked your baby. what happened? steve: what do you mean what

happened? i think the travel ban has been successful. i think the supreme court will uphold it in the fall. president trump likes the original draft. to go through an interagency process, you have to have an executive order. by the way, the mainstream media knows this. you have to have the office of legal counsel sign off on it. we already started in the transition. the other was the enforcement eo, the one about the deportations. s were fully vetted. general kelly said they were fully on board to do it. where there a couple of wrinkles? yeah, but it is about extreme vetting. it is about string vetting. we have found out we did not know a whole lot about how you bet people coming to this country. has beenhe travel ban

enormously successful, and the key parts will be upheld in the supreme court. charlie: you have said when you saw the number of people lining up at the airport being detained because they could not get in because of the travel ban on the first day, that you said that was a first successful optic. steve: i did not say that. i said something quite different, not about the people. in,the people coming clearly you don't want people that should come in to have anything that would delay their trip. what i thought was a good optic was the resistance, the resistance. the resistance started that weekend. the resistance will keep the -- itof representatives was so over-the-top, so insane -- the resistance, on joe scarborough every morning, they say if you had a chamber of commerce, churchgoing, little league coach, entrepreneur

running in the sings against republicans that they would win by 20 points. they would be very competitive. guess what? they will not be democratic candidates. you know why? the resistance. the best you can get his what we had in georgia. charlie: he lost. steve: that is the best you are going to get. the resistance will force people in the primaries to the left. what occurred that we did not think of is the resistance. the resistance is so outside the american mainstream. they are so over the top. they will drive the democratic party exactly where they should not go, which is they should not go more to the middle. go more towards economic nationalism and populism, and the resistance will stop that. charlie: you believe the democrats are talking about simply being anti-trump rather than being pro--economic? steve: the smart ones. they are talking about the economic issues, but most of the

democrats -- remember, they are trying to destroy trump. president trump triggers the left. they can't handle it rationally, ok? as long as they can't handle it rationally, they will not defeat him. atrlie: why is he 30-something percent approval rating? steve: because we have not if youthe wall built -- just go through and do the program he laid out, you will be fine. paris.: there is talk you may not try to undo the iran nuclear deal. steve: decertify? i would not that on that. trump wants to make a better deal or view it from the outside. charlie: have you cleaned this

want? steve: this want this 50 years in the making. this want is a business model. it is a successful business model. it is a donor, consultant, k --eet lobbyists, politician the wealthiest counties in america, for the first time in history, the per capita income is higher than silicon valley. charlie: what you talking about when you talk about the swamp? steve: the permanent political class represented by both parties. people still think in a left-right continuum, republican-democrat continuum. while you are thinking that way, you are not seeing the real story. economicstory is nationalism and populism on the left and the right versus a permanent political class, which are hillary clinton ed.resentat you will not drain that in eight months or two terms, this would take 10-20 years of relentlessly

going after it. trump in his first eight months has done amazingly. your takeaway on the trump administration so far is what? steve: it is hammering through what he is trying to hammer through to deliver on the promises that president trump made to the american people when he campaigned. if he continues to go down that path and punch out those promises he made, he will win. we will pick up 6-7 senate seats, a couple of seats in the house, and win and a huge landslide in 2020. charlie: 2018 is a big year. not worried about losing the house or senate? steve: i'm worried about losing the house because of daca. this whole situation with daca in the last 24-48 hours, which has to be sorted out, the whole issue of amnesty was put to bed in 2013 and the great civil war

that occurred in that summer in the republican party. the predicate of donald trump's winning of the nomination was the issue of amnesty. he beat 16 people. that was the crème de la creme of a generation of republican politicians, chris christie, marco rubio, rand paul, jeb bush . it is the best field, and trump beat them. one of the reasons he beat them is because he was so different on immigration and trade, but in particular immigration. by the way, that sealed it. in the is nonnegotiable republican party. --ang of eight, marco rubio marco rubio made of that. the new york times reported that dinner he had with rupert moderate, roger ailes in 2013, they had the thing taking the autopsy and building the gang of eight and roll it out in the

summer of 2013. marco rubio made a bet that would make him president of the united states, and he was wrong. has been nonnegotiable in the republican party, and my fear is six months downrange, if way- if this goes all the down towards its logical conclusion in february and march , it will be a civil war inside the republican party that will be every bit as vitriolic as and, and to me doing that the springboard of primary season for 2018 is extremely unwise. it is extremely unwise. you have the ability to pick up 5-6 seats in the senate in red states. you have the ability to hold the house. right now, by the way, those districts that republicans one, they are down 10 points. i admit that. once you put the resistance

candidate up, and that's what you will get, the resistance will give you not the little league coach, a resistance candidate, those republicans -- that's why i feel confident until daca. this is a huge problem. i think it is a huge problem. charlie: the president made the wrong decision? you wanted him to go full board? steve: what we have to do is focus on the american citizens. charlie: what would you do with the people who came here? just tell me what you would do. work permits run out, they self-report. charlie: they self deport. steve: absolutely. deport, yout self would deport them? steve: breitbart and others think there is no path to citizenship, to a green card, and no amnesty. amnesty is nonnegotiable. charlie: you got your deal on climate.

the president withdrew from paris, please do. steve: only the start. hasn't withdrawn from the substrate of paris, the other agreements that i think he ought to withdraw from. charlie: you think he ought to do that? steve: absolutely. no doubt. charlie: you think it will hurt america's reputation overseas? steve: that is the party talking to themselves. you'd read the economist in the financial times and take it as holy writ. deal terribleat for the nine states of america, ok? president trump program -- charlie: people in your own party -- steve: by the way, people in our party disagree -- by the way, that is why there is a new party forming. it is a more populist and economic nationalist.

there are plenty of globalist inside the republican party. ♪

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