>> qamar studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: hillary clinton is here. she was the democratic party's nominee for president in the 2016 election. she previously served as first lady, senator from new york, and secretary of state. despite winning the popular wrote, she lost the election to political newcomer donald trump. secretary clinton reflects on the 2016 campaign in her new " ak called "what happened/

properly title. please to have you back at this table. it's the best -- fastest rising nonfiction book in five years. what happened is not one book, but many. it's a candid and funny postmortem in which she is -- it is a feminist manifesto, a score settling jubilee, it's a rant against james comey, vladimir putin, and james comey. [laughter] it's a primer on russian spying. i sometimes wonder if you add together his time spent on golf and cable news. 9:00 p.m., election night, you thought you were going to win. ms. clinton: i did. the first returns that came in

were not what we thought, from florida and north carolina, but we knew that those would be challenging states. we still felt good about everything we knew about the states to come to get to the electoral college majority. and it went downhill from there. it was a shocking, devastating evening. i write in great detail about it. because i wasn't prepared for that. charlie: you had a victory speech, but not a concession speech. ms. clinton: i did. it was an effort to reach out to all those people who were against me, who my opponent had start up against me as well, because i thought it was important to be president for everybody, and that's what i was looking forward to do. charlie: you chose not to go speak that night and to wait and come back the next morning. ms. clinton: right. charlie: and you try to speak to

the idea that your heart was smashed, your soul was smashed. how would you characterize it? ms. clinton: i was still in devastated, sos once it became clear that the electoral college was going the other way, i had to do several things, which i did, and described. , had to call donald trump i canwas something that barely remember. i've sort of reconstructed it, because it was surreal, to wish be well, hope that he would a good president for everybody. he didn't think he was going to unprepared.as also i had to call president obama and tell him how sorry i was, because i knew that there would be a great effort under a new

administration, the other party, to try to undo much of what he had accomplished, and then i had to work on a speech. so i really wasn't prepared to go out until i had gotten all that done, and by then it was 1:30 or 2:00 in the morning, so we had to go find a place to deliver a concession speech, which my stalwart band of advance people did, and i showed up and delivered at the next morning. charlie: richard cohen reminded me of this, though fox knows many things, and the hedgehog knows one big thing. did that sort of happen here? ms. clinton: i think if you look at it, i thought i was running a campaign that was about many things, but it turned out, in part because of coverage, based on my mistake with the emails, because of intervention of other onees, it turned out to be

myng about me, about shortcomings, about the attacks the, in my view, phony attacks on me. i thought i was speaking about, and i have in the book, analyses which prove up was talking more about jobs than anybody else. the exit polls showed if you care about the economy, you voted for me, all of that. but it was all about emails for me. i thought i was done with that in july, and it came back 12 days before the election. so you went back and walked in the woods, and cried a lot? ms. clinton: not really. days, over augh week, the disappointment i felt

and letting people down. my hope that donald trump turned out to be better president than what his campaign suggested. unfortunately, in my view, he has not. i spent a lot of time with family, friends, walked in the woods, the other day at a book signing i saw one of the young women i met in the woods on one of those first jaunts. i spent a lot of time reflecting, and it was only through that process that i thought to myself, everybody's asking these questions, and everybody has their own theories about what happened. i want to know what happened. i want to the best of my ability to really explore that. shortcomings, what the campaign could have done differently, and all these outside forces. i started writing the book, which was very painful. i would literally write something and then go to lie down for a while. it how they rejected you when you thought they would be for you?

or understanding what people believed about you? ms. clinton: well, i'll be above. but what was painful was sitting down and trying to sort through it, and to be as honest as i could, which there is no point in trying to avoid what the facts were, but also, to be clear, i was looking for evidence. there was a lot of anecdotal opinion aiding going on, and i did not find that particularly useful, and there was a lot of debate about what caused it and what happened and what we could of done differently. i wanted to try to sort it out, get to the bottom of it, and then see how i felt about it. charlie: this is why people are calling it raw, going to the bone, you were self-critical. i think that's a fair way of saying it. and i do try to say look, here's what i did wrong. a candidateg to be

again, so if you can learn from my mistakes, please do so, because i want us to win elections. here are some sort of institutional issues, obstacles that exist, whether it is suppressing voters or sexism, and here is one huge problem that is a combination of a reality tv campaign, the role had nevera play, this happened before. so we were prepared, and now we have to be prepared. a prepare theing dutch, the french, and the germans to defend themselves against some of the same forces. charlie: the macron campaign came after that, and the dutch campaign came after that. together,ut it all you had done some of that before in terms of deciding whether you would run for president. you knew there was in some places, clinton fatigue.

people were maybe tired of you. pressew that there was a attitude, perhaps, about you. you knew you were going to have to face that, but you believed you could overcome it. ms. clinton: i did, here is why. and i hold a job, i get very high approval ratings. state out of the department with 69% in one of the polls. because people saw me representing my country, working for our president, and thought i had done a good job. i knew all these other factors would certainly come to bear, but i believe that it was a good we are going to build on the progress we have made. i am not barack obama, but i appreciate what he did to save he did to save the economy, get health care, and so much else. but i got some ideas of my own on going to throw into the mix,

and were going to run a vigorous campaign, were going to be reaching out to people, and look , i did get more votes, as you said in the introduction, and at thehappen, especially end, that i think now more analysts are paying attention to. they are saying, was it economic or cultural anxiety? well, it was both. certainly trump fomented a lot of cultural anxiety. i believe the dominant reason for his support, starting in the republican primary, was the dog whistle, the birth or controversy that he was a leader in, the attack on immigrants and mexicans the very first they have his campaign, and then a steady drumbeat of attacks. i have in the book an example. tim kaineconvention, i go on a bus tour through pennsylvania and ohio, and we are highlighting jobs. i've done this before, i did it with my husband and with other candidates. i did it when i ran for the senate. we were getting very positive feedback from people, talking to

guys working on the floor of a factory and the like. but it was also at the same time attacking the family of the goldstar, muslim american soldier. if you are reading the philadelphia inquirer, you saw and interview with the guy who heard me speak and said i like what you say. but if you were looking at any other outlet, it was attacked the muslims, attack the family, and sold them. that was the constant drumbeat. so he sucked all the air and the attention. ms. clinton: he did it by literally causing people to say my gosh, did you hear what he said? he called it political incorrectness. it was unleashing all kind of attacks on race, and the city,

religion, gender, and everything else. charlie: some say it's about rage, guilt, anger and more. i have had a great life. i was privileged to run for president, i was honored to be the nominee of the democratic party. obviously, i wish i had figured out how to combat some of these factors at the end, but i don't feel -- charlie: do you feel like if you figured out how you could do it over, you could come back against the circumstances? ms. clinton: i spent a whole chapter on this, as you know, sound thesure, to alert. the russians succeeded in their goal. the goal was to elevate trump, and to hurt and damage me. they succeeded. and you know what, charlie? they are not going away. they are going to come back in every way they can to undermine our to mock see, to subvert our

some point,d it's we need the whole country, regardless of partisanship, to say no, we're going to take a hard look at what is happening in these voting machines and at the state level, we cannot let this go on. do i wish i had understood more about it at the time? out,ie: you got to speak you didn't do that. ms. clinton: i didn't know, i only knew what was in the public arena. charlie: this is the washington post today, the lead story. in the months leading up to the vote, obama and his top h quietly agonized over how to respond to russia's intervention without making matters worse. weeks after trump's apprise victory, some of obama's aides look back with regret and wish they had done more. .s. clinton: i do, too

i try to be clear in the book. i understood the predicament they faced. mitch mcconnell forced them into that predicament. saying the: you were president understood the challenge, there was no doubt in his mind. ms. clinton: he understood the challenge, but he also thought i was going to win. he had his own sources of information. he gave me a hug then i before. he thought i was going to win, just like i thought i was going to win. part of what weighed on him was mitch mcconnell's threat after the leadership was briefed about what the russians were doing by our intelligence committee, to say, you know what, if you raise that, were going to say it's partisan. he didn't want to inject partisanship into what was a national security issue. and he thought i was going to win. in retrospect, as we now see in articles like that, a lot of people who were in the white house at the time know it had a big effect.

i would point to what happened in france. because the french were put on notice by our election, there was a really open discussion. charlie: they knew they had to meet it head on. ms. clinton: and the voters knew it. charlie: this paper is a good example of how the more things change, the more they stay the same. nfl players stand in solidarity, questions of race, white house six -- expense travel ban to a country. ms. clinton: it's just like being in a pinball machine, it's coming at you from all directions. what you just read is what happened over the weekend. tweets and of actions and all of the reactions, and i'm very concerned about the way the president is stoking these attacks against black athletes.

while at the same time, what's not on the front pages that american citizens in puerto rico and the u.s. virgin islands are in a catastrophic situation. we sent the navy to help support haitians after the earthquake in the obama administration. there is a big hospital ship, i think it's in or foe right now, that -- i think it's in your folk right now, that should be on its way down there.

charlie: back to the campaign, did you feel as you suggested earlier they did understand how people were hurting, that you do understand that there were people out there who had lost faith in government? but you did not communicate what it was that you believe? ms. clinton: i did not do a good enough job in capturing the emotions and in recognizing the anger. honestly, is there, saw it, i heard it. everybody talked about it. i believe that people didn't want to just hear slogans, they wanted to have somebody say, here's what going to actually do to help you. what did donald trump understand that your campaign didn't? he clinton: i think that understood reality tv, and the power of saying and doing things that sort of broke a fourth wall

, that people couldn't turn away from. he understood from his past experience with the birther nonsense that there was a real core constituency for that. aiming at started out winning the republican nomination by starring that up. and i go through some of the calculations in the book that he must have gone through, like how many people will vote in a republican primary, how many do i have to get to get there, and the going to respond, because they think it's really great to have somebody saying all this stuff. anti-immigration and more zeroing in on people, starting with the mexicans, obviously going from there. so he was very adept, and then we got on stage with those 16 republican nominee candidates, he was so insulting to them. he attacked them personally. they were amazed and unsure

about what to do. when they tried to respond, they could never out bully the biggest bully on the stage, so they were not successful. then when he one, he got a lot of extra reinforcement run the republicans who had other things they wanted to accomplish. charlie: then at his convention, we heard locker up, lock her up. , onlyinton: and we heard i can fix it, and a lot of authoritarian rhetoric. it was aimed at really inciting , andost visceral emotions it made a lot of people feel like he understood them, he provided them scapegoats. charlie: he felt their pain, to coin a phrase? ms. clinton: no, he felt their anger, and that's a big difference. average voter for

trump in the primary was making $72,000. people making a lot less who were suffering a lot more actually ended up largely voting both whiteyou take and nonwhite voters. in a supposed, people were asked , if you care about the economy who would you vote for? formajority said they voted me. but if you cared about immigration and terrorism, you voted for trump. it wasn't resentment, it was grievance, it was anger. i am not somebody who wants to foment anger. i think it is a dangerous thing to do. he relishes it. what he said in alabama a few days ago about black athletes, it just got hoots and hollers and standing ovations. charlie: it appeals to his constituents. yes, it does.

he gets who he is trying to reach, and they were very receptive to that. charlie: would you have used the term deplorables if you had it to do over? ms. clinton: i think a lot of what he said and did was deplorable, and he continues. condemn the can candidate, but don't condemn the people who vote for the candidate. ms. clinton: i regretted giving him that gift, obviously. but i don't think that's why i it's why i don't think i ended up in the challenge i was in at the end of the campaign. charlie: looking at all of it, do you believe you lost --marily because of ms. clinton: -- because of sexism? ms. clinton: i think it prove in ourxism is endemic society, that's why wrote whole chapter called on being a woman in politics. i think it had a lot of impact,

and there's a lot of evidence that has come to light about how people -- and predominantly republican, men and women, more men than women, who are really aluctant to even imagine woman president. so i think it had a role, and it wasn't just me. torlie: the country is ready elect a woman as president. do you believe in your heart, having seen and done what you have done in your public life, with the progress we've made on so many fronts, is the country ready to elect a woman as president? it's hard for you to say yes. ms. clinton: and why? look what they're trying to do to elizabeth warren, to kiersten gillibrand. these women hold their heads up and they get knocked down. thatie: and you believe except for letter by james comey, you would be sitting in the white house today. ms. clinton: i do. charlie: because you believe the

country was prepared to accept a woman. i'm talking about experience. ms. clinton: experience, i was ready to be president. let's not separate out what happened at the end. charlie: you had the capacity to transcend whatever sexism -- ms. clinton: i came a really long way, so i'm hoping to have a woman i can vote for soon. charlie: i want to get this straight because it is really an important point. except for james comey, you believe you would up on -- you would have won. do you believe de facto that a woman can be elected, who can rise above all the problems, all the bags with talked about,

could be elected president of the united states? ms. clinton: i would not have run if i hadn't believed it. charlie: do you believe it now? ms. clinton: i believe that trump has unleashed a backlash that is going to really make the atmosphere even more charged. so any woman who decides she wants to run for president just has to go in with her eyes open. that's part of the reason why i wrote this chapter. it wasn't just on the democratic side. onlyhings he said to his woman upon it the things he said at the republican primary, the things he said to women interviewers. when you are subjected to those kinds of constant attacks, like leave the floor, senator warren, quit talking. nevertheless, she persisted.

senator harris, that's enough. don't ask these hard questions. charlie: did you experience that yourself? senator a woman in the -- in the senate. ms. clinton: i did not. i'm saying there's a big in thence from going to senate, house, even a governorship, to running for president. there is something so charged about that position in our country, and what i saw happen is that people were saying things about women in general, about me specifically, that were really out of bounds, off-limits. i couldn't believe some of the stuff that was being said. at one of very well his town halls, senator mccain was asked a pretty racist question about senator obama, and he just shut that woman down. we had a candidate surrounded by people who were saying vile

things about women, me in particular, we had a convention filled with such kinds of comments. threw up the odds that it was ok to do and say these things. withie: do you believe troughs and how he acted that he gave cover to white supremacists? ms. clinton: absolutely, charlie. he goes after black athletes who are standing up for what they believe by their protest. charlie: he said they should be fired. ms. clinton: he calls them s .o.b.'s, goes after them. he doesn't do that to neo-nazis, clan members, or vladimir putin. he's very strategic about who he attacks. he's sending a message to his supporters that we are still on the same wavelength. charlie: i did an interview with

steve bannon, and he said we don't want them, there's only a small percentage of people who voted for us, we don't want their support, we are denouncing them. ms. clinton: he is so full of it. breitbart, if you go back and look at the headlines, they are outrageous. maybe now wants to put on a good face because what he is trying to do is to build up support outside of the white house for not only trump, but their larger agenda. look what they are doing with health care. it is so cruel that they're trying to force republicans to vote, because part of what breitbart is doing for trump is to be the enforcer. he wants to make sure that trump has loyal republicans who will further his agenda. in my opinion -- charlie: right now in the

alabama senate race, they are on opposite sides. ms. clinton: except when trump allegedly went for strange, saying, but i would be fine with moore. it was a very halfhearted endorsement. support. the partisan charlie: tell me how you see the divide in america. ms. clinton: there has always been a dark underbelly of american politics. lyndon johnson famously said when he signed the civil rights south for aost the generation. it's obviously longer than that. there has always been a kind of pushed back to expanding the circle of rights and opportunities for african americans, for women. some would say we've had a steady stream of successes. ms. clinton: but those successes in the blowback that we're seeing now that trump artfully

has played upon. , the sorthe new media of downside of all the decentralization of media are the things that can be said on the internet and other kinds of that only small groups of people would say to themselves. when trump started re-tweeting from white supremacist sites during the campaign, they went from a couple dozen viewers to thousands. it is when somebody running for president gives the ok to these kinds of people, david duke said he was essential to furthering our agenda. said, he said into the what we wanted to say. ms. clinton: that's right. i think this is a bit of a dance they are doing because they serve several masters. they serve these really unfortunate throwback news, but

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attacks on goldman sachs? and yet at the same time when the general election came, he was not there in the way that you wanted him there. the way you said you were there for obama. ms. clinton: i think that is undeniable. charlie: did you say where are you, it's time to stand up and get moving? ms. clinton: a lot of people who supported him never came around. i worked very hard not just to endorse then senator obama, but to convince my supporters. i was still arguing with my supporters at the convention in denver to make sure they got out and voted for in senator obama. so i know the difference between -- here's what i want to say about this. me, name onen

example of anything you are talking about. reiterating these attacks, and of course he couldn't. democrats rejected him. i beat him by nearly 4 million votes. he's not a democrat, and that's not a slam on him. he says he's not a demo. democrats were more comfortable with and more supportive of what i was saying and where i came from. intois attacks did feed the whole line of attack that trump adopted against me. charlie: do you believe that president has any redeeming qualities? ms. clinton: as a leader, i haven't seen any. because as a leader, he says things he doesn't follow through on, during the campaign he was never going to touch medicaid after the first failure of the health-care bill when john mccain stood up and voted against it, he was going to replace it with something even better.

i don't think he really cares that much about policy. i don't think he studies it. he says things he has no intention of following through on. as a leader, i see someone who is divisive. charlie: do you see them as a person of value? ms. clinton: every person has value, there is no doubt about that. charlie: is he a good family person? ms. clinton: he certainly supports his family. [laughter] yes, that's true. charlie: do you believe he's a racist? ms. clinton: i can't look in his heart, but a lot of what he said and done, and the charlottesville experience was chilling. he certainly has given aid and comfort to those who are. of sexismong history and misogyny, the things he says about women, he objective eyes women. he's only interested in how they look and how they serve him, and we saw on the hollywood access

tape, confessions of sexual assault. charlie: you believe he is sexist, obviously. ms. clinton: i do. here's what i'm most worried about. i believe he has a very deep fascination for authoritarians, and in particular, for putin. i think you not only likes putin , he would like to be like him. charlie: in what way? ms. clinton: in the way that he of machon as this sort guy who basically gets to do whatever he wants to do in his own country. he said -- i think he understood .he complexity of governing i don't think he really values democracy, charlie. charlie: he's not a democrat, little d. ms. clinton: he's not, he is a

top down guide. charlie: so he's no different than putin? -- clinton: what i most come most concerned about is how he has turned a blind eye to russia's attacks on us. charlie: why do you think that is? ms. clinton: first of all, it helped him. secondly i think he had financial entanglements and other connections with russians. charlie: do you think you would have won the russian -- won the election without russian interference? ms. clinton: i think the russian interference certainly influenced voters, and were just beginning to appeal that back. we only now have information, as you saw from the front page of the washington post. charlie: they like everybody else out you were going to win. charlie, having a foreign adversary want to damage one of the two people who could

be the next president of the united states, just think of that. how frightening it is. these guys are not going away. they are going to be back. charlie: why do you think he refuses to accept -- this is the eighth month into his presidency. ms. clinton: i think that he has connections with them. i think financial. charlie: this is all about you looking at every possible thing there is. ms. clinton: i think he has all these financial entanglements with russians and the oligarchs. i think this is huge. do you think there's reason to believe that dossier? ms. clinton: certain things have been proven to be accurate. charlie: do you definitely believe that putin has something on donald trump? ms. clinton: either he has something on donald trump, or he

helped him so much -- charlie: the stakes are too high. ms. clinton: i think they know enough to know that putin helped him, and why would they like the hand that they think fed them by putting out false information, by weaponize information, by having people pose as americans who are russian with fake demonstrations. you had russians acting like americans, demonstrating against me. he had a full suite of supporting activities from trump . why would he turn his back on that? since he doesn't believe in democracy and doesn't understand how our system works, i think he believes, somebody else helping me, what difference does it make? i don't think he gets how serious this is. refuses and to this day to say what most people believe he should be saying about rush,

and what people around him no. ms. clinton: they do know. i'm waiting, obviously, like everybody else. the congressional investigation, the senate intel committee, they are the ones who found out the facebook ads were being paid for on google. charlie: he had the power to see his tax returns. and he had subpoena power. any had people that is been following. ms. clinton: that's all true, based on the public record. let me make this point. there's lots and lots of smoke, and i want to be very clear about this. whether or not anybody is indicted or exposed in terms of the trump connections, with putin, with the kremlin, with all of that. not a legal term.

whether or not that or some part true, let'sroving not lose sight of what's really at stake. charlie: another foreign country, and adversary -- ms. clinton: yes. just because they were after me in the election does not mean they wouldn't be after our -- after a republican or someone who stood up to them. charlie: you sort of again after yale on the watergate committee, a long time ago. you were there and you saw how the committee can investigate and how they can use the power of speech. ms. clinton: remember, that was a bipartisan investigation. charlie: howard baker and sam ervin. ms. clinton: that's right. on the committee were open, honest, and patriotic enough to view the evidence.

bob mueller is terrific. what i'm saying is it took a special counsel. andblicans in the house senate are hardly enthusiastic about pursuing this. you read the headline about jared kushner's email. i'm waiting for them to launch an investigation like they did over mine. did you handle it well, the investigation? ms. clinton: obviously i didn't do anything wrong, so i didn't handle it well enough to survive. you wouldn't knowledge being careless, even though james, use that word. ms. clinton: you can read the .hapter in the book we can stop and read it. not through my own words, but through independent third-party people who both agree and disagree with me, but make the case that it was a dumb mistake, but it was a dumber scandal. they were obsessed. we got through july and even

what he said, which in the book i point out was unprecedented and really unfair to the state department, not just to me, we got through that. and then incomes this letter. -- convention was positive he could've done several things, if you thought this was serious, which i have doubts about how serious he thought it was. if heroes wrote the --ter without being serious, what was james comey's motive? he understood it would have the consequence is that it did? do you believe he was trying to derail your candidacy? ms. clinton: he was under pressure from rudy giuliani and

others, both former and current fbi officials. giuliani announced something big was coming. it happened two days later. that's a fair assumption. the idea that you believe that james comey, who was much admired as an fbi director, even by supporters, and this is what came out the first time when he said there's no reason to go ahead, then criticizingump was a lot of people in the fbi. you are saying he folded under pressure and made a decision that he knew would derail your candidacy. ms. clinton: ask yourself this. he did that to me, when there were other ways, if he thought there was anything there to be

investigated, he could have asked me if i had any objection, he could've asked others they had any objection. he could have done it without some big letter announcement to the congress. he is noty same time, at all talking about the investigation that had been started into trump and russia. he would not join with the department of homeland security and the director of national intelligence. he said it was because it was too close to the election, which makes no sense at all. on october 7, which was a big day in the campaign, it started with secretary johnson from homeland security and jim clapper from national intelligence saying we are concerned about activities by the russians. and people thought it was .rimarily about the dnc hack we now know they knew a lot more, but we didn't know that at the time.

then the hollywood access tape comes out. within one hour, russians the -- wikileaks don't to create a diversion that lasted through the entire rest of the campaign. charlie: let me just set this up. i remember at the time right before this, there was a belief that you were expanding your league, correct? ms. clinton: yes. -- expanding your lead. it was said that the election had been held today before, you would've won. ms. clinton: i believe that, and based on the evidence, not just my wishful thinking. charlie: so the conclusion is that, without that, you would be president. ms. clinton: that's what i believe, charlie. more than any other thing. i will give you an example on the book. 28th, the letter on the

there was a poll which was a reliable poll, showing that i 26 percentage points in the suburbs of philadelphia. that cannot happen without republican women, suburban .oters, even independents if you were a voter and all of a sudden on the 28th of october, the director of the act ei -- of the fbi says were reopening the investigation, and the trump campaign says bingo, lock her up, you're going to say, i was thinking about voting for her, but i can't vote for her. and that went on until the sunday before the election. torlie: why did you go consume a new, wisconsin, michigan? i went ton: pennsylvania all the time. i was in michigan a lot, and i went to minnesota. i did not go to wisconsin. so all those people say

you simply had it wrong? -- had ms. clinton: i was in pennsylvania constantly. i was in michigan. i was not in wisconsin, because our data, plus the data of the russ feingold senate campaign, showed that we were comfortably ahead. here's what i want to emphasize because i think this is important and relates to the whole russia weaponization of information. thing hits and blankets everything. meanwhile the wikileaks hits are coming out constantly, day by day. serving on these facebook posts these fake news -- charlie: but they were getting the information from

russians. wikileaks got it from the russians, there is no doubt about that. but when they made them public, then there was this constant effort by the russians, the trump campaign, everybody working together, to come up with fake stories. two quick examples, one of the worst things was this ridiculous, horrible story that based on a single line in an email from john podesta, who you these total right-wing people made up the story that he was running a child trafficking operation with me in a -- in the basement of a pizza shop. a total lie, and somebody came up from north carolina to rescue the children, but it was all over the internet. charlie: it shows you the kind of our that the internet has. ms. clinton: and it was all over

facebook posts, dark posts that are there and disappear. that president obama spoke to in closing remarks, one of the primary concerns he worried about. were allon: and there these terrible lies about the clinton foundation which we know affected people. charge was that people who contributed to the clinton foundation got favors of you as secretary of state. ms. clinton: and that we took money from the foundation that paid for our daughter's wedding, totally horrible made-up stuff. people read on going to vote for her because they read about all this. this was well coordinated. and it was well coordinated because -- charlie: well coordinated by? ms. clinton: that is the question.

charlie: who do you believe coordinated it? ms. clinton: somebody associated campaign was able to strategically, geographically, and personally target people based on their on,book profiles, and based i think, working the google ranking of subjects, and was able to deliver that. charlie: who do you believe? ms. clinton: whether it was the trump campaign itself, whether -- cambridge analytica charlie: but it was one of those that you cool -- that you believe corn aided the fake news impact -- coordinated the fake news impact. ms. clinton: someone who understood targeting in a presidential campaign and delivering those eight news messages certainly did that.

look, i'm done. i'm not running for anything. charlie: you have no reason not to say what you think. ms. clinton: i'm trying to sound the alarm. i'm very worried about what the russians got away with and the kind of precedent that it sets. i'm worried about facebook been the biggest news platform in the world, unable to figure out and our propaganda uses of facebook to influence our election. charlie: clearly it seems like mark zuckerberg has gotten the message. ms. clinton: how much control does he really have? how is he going to rain this in? i don't have the answer to that. charlie: do you think this calls for a federal investigation? ms. clinton: it also needs to be public. doinge special counsel is is to determine whether there is a crime that has been committed. charlie: an independent

commission appointed by? ms. clinton: it could be some members from congress and some members from the white house. and make sure it is bipartisan. the 9/11 commission is a good model. charlie: do you think donald trump will be reelected? ms. clinton: i have no idea. i hope not. i hope democrats will do everything they can to win in new jersey and virginia this year. charlie: do you think he will serve the full four years? ms. clinton: i don't know the answer to that either. i think so much depends on what is uncovered and how people react to it. not everything wrong has a legal remedy. some of it is just politics. they're very well could be a conclusion that all this stuff that happen with russia, maybe we need better disclosure, maybe facebook needs better controls. but it didn't fit any criminal statues that we currently have unless it's the foreign funding of it all.

ended withif they that conclusion, saying that all the stuff that happened over here, i'm not talking about obstruction of justice in whatever metaphor was up to and all the rest of it. ,ut what we do to combat russia that may not have criminal remedies. it's going to require us working as americans to try to prevent it in the charlie: uterine. we're just beginning to -- to prevent it in the future. ms. clinton: the russians have had a lot of practice in this. there is a description called active measures on what they do to insinuate propaganda, to destroy reputations, and now to manipulate the online world to their advantage. this should be a big wake-up call for all of us. ♪

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