announcer: from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." charlie: we begin this evening with a terrible tragedy in las vegas and news coverage. good evening. we are on the 38th floor of the day hotel and casino. this is the view stephen paddock had when he opened fire on more than 20,000 people at a country music concert. when it was over, 58 were dead and more than 500 injured. i'm here, you can see the

festival grounds of littered with debris and belongings of fled thend those who scene and panic. you can also look right into the sniper's nest wearer throughout the day federal investigators could be seen taking measurements in the window from which the gunmen opened fire. 32nd floor the president -- fbi agents interviewed his girlfriend today. john blackstone begins our coverage. afternoon, the girlfriend was question at the los angeles of field office appeared she returned voluntarily last night after visiting her native philippines. federal agents appeared she is key in helping piece together what motivated

the shooter. said paddock himself center out of the country. help.y -- can be john: they recovered a total of 47 firearms overall, 24 of them from his hotel room. some seen here in these pictures. joel snyder of the atf told nora o'donnell that he had been stockpiling weapons for years. >> how many firearms were purchased in the last year? rifles and -- >> that didn't tip anyone off? over --e body cam for challengeswed the

officers faced. the gunfire continued for more about an hourtes, after the shooting found paddock dead of an apparent gunshot one. he was the regular of the gun shop near his home in nevada. action rifleed three days before the shooting. >> was having a moment in myself saying i may have very well been the last person to shake hands with that man. marilou danley's of attorneys say she had no idea he was planning the rampage, the thousands of dollars he wired to her was meant for her to buy a home there. thought paddock was

breaking up with her. lancaster -- homeland security consultant has more now. >> fbi agents could be seen sifting through the hotel suite stephen paddock used to rain bullets down on the crowd. >> get out of here. there gunshots coming from over there. >> law enforcement is still searching for a motive. >> we don't have any immediately accessible thumbprints that indicate the shooter's ideology, motivation, or what compelled him to get there. >> in the last 36 hours fbi labs began assessing cell phones and computers recovered during searches of his property. >> i think it is the quieter and harder work we have to do now. identify people who have may , that is where we

are focused right now. >> they are also focused on paddock's mental health and whether something happened to stockpile most of the 47 guns and rifles and his arsenal. also of interest, whether he was considering targeting another inge concert that took place las vegas a week before the country music festival. >> everybody stay down. >> many gomez is a former fbi agent. for the bestking target opportunity, it didn't matter what crowd he was going to fire into, he was looking for the highest impact in this attack. spend atigators say he lot of time gambling and days before the attack. anthony? anthony: thank you. we are back at street level as

you can see a cross from the festival grounds where the shooting occurred. please are just getting ready to open this street finally three days after the shooting. withresident met today some of the entered and doctors and nurses who saved their lives. here is major garrett. >> president trump landed in the shadow of the man to live -- mandalay bay hotel. pres. trump: it makes you proud to be an american when you see the job they have done. center,iversity medical the precedent doctors and nurses. he also toward the las vegas police command center and interviewed civilians that faced terror head on. pres. trump: in the depths of horror we will always find hope in the men and women who risk of their lives for hours.

>> on behalf of the nation, the president offered a nation a promise the nation a promise. president trump: we stand together to help you carry your pain. you are not alone. we will never leave your side. reflected how america endures. pres. trump: in the darkest moments what shines most brightly is the goodness that thrives in the hearts of our people. major: of the shooter the president said his wires were screwed up. pres. trump: he is a sick, demented man. major: he laughed as he arrived with the crime scene never far away. with major continue garrett and catty k of the bbc. >> the cameras inside and outside the room to one him if summary was approaching, this is clearly as the fbi said an incredibly well thought out plan, but what makes us

question mark without a sense of motive it is hard to piece together who he was and what he did it. charlie: to conclude this program we speak with harrison ford. >> don't lie. it is rude. a cop. >> i'm not here to take you in. >> all we need to know is that we are serving our customers, we are telling stories that are important, that excite people's passion for commonality. what i'm looking for is an emotional investment that i can -- and that the audience can see their way through.

major garrett, katty kay, and harrison ford when we continue. ♪ joining me from las vegas is major garrett, cbs's chief correspondent. and from bbc america, katty kay. tell us about what we learned new today about this graphic tragedy. you here in tell las vegas, this is a community still in a state of shock and trauma. the president's remarks were well crafted, all of the consoling words you would expect in a moment of national tragedy, but i can tell you having talk to police officers and residents of las vegas as i have been here, this community cannot even absorb those moments and issages of consolation so dh -- so deep is the sense of shock and trauma.

i met a couple walking by our they were carrying a picture of a friend of theirs, a mother of three boys, shot and killed. they were so traumatized they couldn't describe their feeling about it. they just wanted to come meet media members and said we are grieving, we just want you to know. i lived in las vegas from 1986 to 1988, i know a little bit about the community. i have friends here. this is a town built on hospitality and entertainment. that's a sense in america this isn't really a real place, that entertainers come in and outta here but nobody actually lives here. well, 650,000 people live in las vegas. this is a real community and it has come together and locked arms because it is traumatized like never before. the president's visit was

equally appreciated, but the community will go through many stages of grief and reconciliation before the tragedy has run anywhere near its full course. charlie: have we learned killer, them the gunman, the girlfriend, or companion that has come back from the philippines? have we learned what she is telling people who have talked to her? major: no. just begunviews have at the fbi headquarters in los angeles. there is a sense that she was unaware and not necessarily a participant. that is the general sense, but the fbi is going to probe all of those questions about her , for knowledge, any sense she might have had about the inkling this shooter had to carry out this crime or any knowledge she might have that could shed light on a motive. motive remains the greatest mystery here.

and also the conduct of the casino itself. this man was known as a frequent gambler. some described him as a high roller your he brought in lots of luggage, serially, bit by bit. should normal procedure? those things have been scrutinized more carefully? a well-known frequenter of the mandalay bay, was it because he was a highly roller and got specialized treatment? all of these questions need to be asked and fully answered. they are part of the investigation not just by the fbi, but the las vegas police and those trying to get closer to the bottom of some of these questions. manlie: any more about this from where you sit? we know that his preparation was deep and well considered. had aught the guns and series of suitcases to bring the men.

we know he planned it carefully, we know he probably expected to die. we have heard that some people suspect he's in the girlfriend back to the philippines because he didn't want her to be here. what else has we learned? one of the strangest things about this incident is now we are three days after it and we don't have a sense of a motive. you have covered too many of these terrible events and usually by now we have a clearer picture of somebody who is troubled or had a motive for some reason, maybe not something you or i could understand, but maybe put together the elements of it. there were things about paddock, reportedly had a father that was abusive, father had been rested for bankrate -- bank robbery at some point. he sent money to the philippines, sent his companion away, would any of those if somebody said this to you about somebody you met in passing,

this is going to lead me to believe that persons going to commit a mass shooting? we haven't heard anything yet that that is the red flag somebody should have noticed. charlie: everything about this is terrible. what is he thinking when he is just shooting down people he doesn't know? he is taking lives with no real grievance against them at all. you see people feel like they are discriminated against and take it out on their boss, these are people he didn't know. and they are at some distance. he is not seeing them i to i. eye to eye. and why so many preparations? him if out there to warn

somebody was on their way to the room you're at it is the question of motive that makes it different from other mass shootings that major has covered, i have covered, you have covered. in las: major, you're vegas, once again we hear remarkable stories of first responders, we have remarkable stories of people prepared to risk their lives to save their friend, their relative, their wife or husband, heroic stories of people who put themselves in the line of fire trying to protect someone. as unimaginable as these numbers are, 58 innocent murder, 59thunmen himself the fatality, more than 500 injured, those numbers are incomprehensible. as bad as they are it is so clear when you talk to the police, the people who were around, that situation could have in some much worse if that

is even imaginable. for me it is not imaginable here in -- that was a general a genuine possibility. i talked to a sergeant getting ready to go to bed sunday night when he got a call this was going on. he called his six compatriots in the crimestoppers division, said come down to the police station immediately, they all did hear it they got there weapons, bullet proof vest, and got to the scene as rapidly as they could. all of this knowing this was a live fire sniper situation and they rushed him home to the scene as rapidly and protected as they could. at the time they got here the shooting stopped so they began to the cure the area and began transport of those who had been one did. civilians did the same thing. everyone rushed to the scene, rushed to the face of this horror in the community to try

to make it stop first and then deal with those many victims. in suchat that stands stark and arresting contrast to whatever the motive was. we talked to profilers in the fbi and local police departments, there is a sort of all's comfort that comes with this idea, well, here is the motive for mass murder, let's be honest. there is no legitimate motive for mass murder of -- you can say those things, you can piece together they became a perverted rationale, but they know that what happened here was worse than anything we have ever seen in our country and lots of uniformed, nonuniformed, experience, civilian alike, rushed to the scene and make it slightly better. reason we think about motive and try to get into the idea of motive is could that be part of what helps the

prevention of future attacks? you are right. it is crazy. you and i wouldn't do it, other people we know wouldn't do it. you have to be crazy to shoot this many people you don't know, -- are there things we could look for in society to say this is a red flag. you can see that in other mass shootings. you can't really see it in this event. it makes the prevention issue, security issue -- we don't want to live in a world when you monitor every suitcase that goes into a hit tell. if not -- into a hotel. it is not a freedom we want to give up. charlie: not only what the motor is -- the motive is, but how long ago it began to develop in his mind. let's turn to the politics measure. the president was there

yesterday -- he was in puerto rico with some criticism there. has he responded to the criticism? not really. the president's actions seeming to be a little cavalier while he towels tog paper people in dire need of food, water, medicine, electricity, workable roads, a sick fundamentals of life in puerto rico are not anywhere near being returned. the president grading himself very favorably as he tends to do . and federalelf emergency management officials very highly. those on the ground are very skeptical and in some places critical of that. puerto rico is going to be a not -- a long-running test just in terms of this president and rebuilding the commonwealth, but also the mechanism to pay

for the rebuilding of the commonwealth. the president made a rather significant blunder yesterday separate from his demeanor suggesting in an interview that the united states might wipe out the billions -- the tens of billions of dollars of debt racked up by puerto rico. that caused mick mulvaney to rush out this morning saying there will be no bailout for puerto rico. markets,nced financial made people curious about what the president meant and if puerto rico was going to get confusion whened the last time it needs is confusion. score, the president legitimately took criticism and it probably isn't over. charlie: there is also the issue of gun control. we have seen tragedy lead to calls for more gun control. clearly, that will happen here, because this is the most -- worst mass shooting ever, will

we have the same response? is there some reason to believe it will be different? katty: i was up there for four days after 20 children, six rolled -- six-year-olds were killed in that school. that didn't lead to changes in gun control. here is the disconnect. ofpolls show the majority americans and nra members supported background checks, but the president said again, were not going to talk about that now, raise the issue of gun control. this is something very hard for people watching around the world to fathom. even if you raise the issue after a shooting like this, you are seen as politicizing the situation. rather than thinking how can we deal with this and prevent it from happening again, immediately -- the president talked about it today. textbooken a pretty

presidential response. he called for unity. today he said not going to talk about that now. when else is the time? i've learned in america, if not the time after the mass shooting or the time between mass shootings. if gun-control didn't happen after newtown, it's not going to happen after biggest. charlie: thank you for coming here. after the break, stay with us. ♪

♪ charlie: harrison ford is here. grossed $8.6e billion globally, despite massive success many still do you him as a reluctant star and celebrity. ofhas written since the dawn hollywood, no movie star has seemed to need movies less than harrison ford. we take a look back. >> he's going to be mean when he wakes up. >> you elected me captain. i didn't much want the job. look at all of those for you, man. did nobody tell you i was looking for you? >> i can't keep track of all you folks at running around here backwards. >> you were supposed to be the

fastest thing in the valley, but that can be your car. it must be your mamas car. >> $10,000 in advance. >> $10,000? >> who's going to fly it, you? >> you bet, i'm not such a bad pilot. plus 18n pay you 2000, when we reach -- >> 17? you got yourself a ship. your mission is to proceed up the river in a navy patrol -- follow it, learn what you can along the way. when you find the current -- infiltrate team by whatever means available and terminate the kernel's command. command.l's

♪ [rocks moving] >> he is a saying you're under arrest, mr. decker.

>> that you've got the wrong guy, pal. brave -- your >> tell him i'm eating. way?id america get this land of promise, land of opportunity. coke, watch tv, have a nice day, go on welfare, get the crime, turn -- [laughter] >> why do they put up with it? why do they keep coming? look around you, charlie. this place is a toilet. they let badnow girls into these things. >> do i look -- around here? >> no. i'm sure your real dust you are a real ace at whatever you do.

i have a head for business and a bod for sin. is there anything wrong with that? >> no. .> cook county hospital you just hang on, ok? you're going to be ok, pal. you'll be just line. just fine.e how are you doing, kiddo? where is your mom? >> i don't know. >> is she home? >> she's with my brother. >> your brother, are they downstairs? >> i don't know. >> don't worry. we will get a hold of her for you. what are you, a football player, baseball player? >> football. >> who authorized this? >> i have no recollection,

senator. >> i did not sign up for this. >> are you angry with me? >> what? >> may be resent how busy i have in. >> no. let's you know what i've got at stake at this paper. you know how important this is to me. i can't help but feel you're trying to sabotage me. >> this isn't about you. something is happening to me. a bidnot to get even or for attention, something is happening in our house. es do thank god like baseball, herb? >> what is that supposed to mean? >> someday you're going to meet god, when he asks you why the new take the field and you

answer he is a negro, that may not be the appropriate reply. charlie: when some people see harrison ford they think of han here's a sequel trailer for the film "blade runner." may be able tou help me with the case. any idea where i could find -- i would much prefer that to the alternative. [shouting] every -- a civilization was built on the back of slaves, replicants of the future, but i can only make

so many. i have the lock and key as the -- >> i think i found him. >> that is not possible. if this gets out -- we have bought ourselves a war. cop, not -- >> things were simpler then. >> what do you want? >> i want to ask you some questions. what happened? my tracks,d scrambled the records. we were being hunted. >> by who? >> they know you're here. ♪ is.ou do not know what pain you will learn.

in time. >> this breaks of the world -- >> we have to go. >> i'm coming with you. >> where is he? the future of the species has -- lly unearthed charlie: i am very pleased to have harrison board back at this table -- harrison ford back at this table. you are aging well. harrison: thank you. charlie: feel good? harrison: i feel great. i have worked to do and i'm happy about that. charlie: do you choose these

roles because? people want to see the characters back? harrison: no. i choose it because it is a good script, interesting people to work with, and it keeps the juices flowing. charlie: do you like acting? harrison: yeah. charlie: the craft of it? harrison: it's not really -- charlie: not a craft? harrison: yeah, it's a craft. it is a skill and practiced in collaboration. a large part of the job is problem solving, so you never know what you're going to get when you go to work and you go to work it out. there is pressure of time and circumstance. it is exciting. of problemst kind do you solve as an actor? the camera to move

from one side to another, how to get the delly grip to push -- i'm looking -- working with the dolly grip as much as the director. .lso the storytelling, how much it is like being there, cooking and meals. is there too much of that, too much of that? what i love about going to the movies is you go in a dark room with a bunch of strangers and the lights go down. you see something -- you all see the same thing. hear.e: see and harrison: and feel, and somehow it enforces your, and humanity. isot of what "blade runner" about is what does it mean to be human. what does it mean to be more human than human. what does it mean to be human if you don't know where you came from, how can you figure out howe you're going? charlie:

do you see rick? rick decker is -- don't go there. charlie: no? harrison: he doesn't -- it doesn't -- i think that the genius of the question of whether he is a replicant or deliciousne of the aftertastes of the first film it may be present in the rest of the -- charlie: you insist that he's not a replicant or are you insisting you will not disclose, because it is up to everybody to make their own decision? harrison: i made the choice as

an actor, the participant in the telling of the story to hold the point of view, because i thought it was important that the audience might require somebody onscreen that they could depend on to be human. so that they would have an emotional representative in the story. and ridley said, yeah, but what if they are wrong. isn't that interesting? i said, yeah, that is interesting. charlie: you had to approach it in your mind that he in fact was human so the audience would have something they could hold onto that he was human? harrison: the truth is it didn't thought i was i human and wasn't or whether i thought i was human and was. charlie: because? harrison: just because. just because i was chattel.

meansas a replicant, that i didn't have ownership of my memories or my fate. were my utility. utility. charlie: do people say why bring and consolocker when there are new stories to tell and new characters to create, is it simply because it is business and these are established characters and they have in well-written wants and can be well written again? harrison: yes and no. charlie: what is the no? harrison: it is like saying maybe -- has the bible, the korean outlived their -- the koran outlived their usefulness? no. it is a story, another great

story. we require tribally stories with a ring of truth, which may have gone out of fashion in life -- charlie: in 2017. werison: like with science, deny it. how are we going to get back from that? we have to. charlie: you have to believe in science, because you're a pilot. harrison: i have to believe in gps. charlie: the principle of physics that gets planes to fly. harrison: exactly. and it is not self apparent, but think of where we would be lift onthe principle of the wings of airplanes. hasould be back -- it

changed the world, globalized is maybe a word that has gone out of fashion. charlie: or somebody is trying -- itrrison: trying, to wrest from the dictionary. we live in a global world and everybody -- harrison: where do you have to go, you know? harrison: you buy a product -- charlie: you buy a product and it may have come from south korea or it may have come from -- harrison: if we get to work trying to solve the problems of advancing the utility of alternative energy, if we can ask our bridges, clean up our part -- put money into our schools and communities. of the things that

help us build our future, education -- harrison: yes, sir. charlie: innovative solutions like where do we get power, that kind of thing. harrison: yeah. charlie: it is interesting that flying has been such a passion of yours. college: i flew in about three times. it was $11 an hour. i ran out of money and couldn't afford it. i was curious. i got to be 52 years old and i had not -- i felt i was still learning my base craft and practicing it and enjoying it, but i wanted to learn something else. and i didn't know whether -- i wasn't totally sure that i would or could. charlie: it was a challenge you wanted to find out whether you could do it. harrison: whether i could do it well enough to keep it as a passion. harrison: --

charlie: have you ever -- when you go down for whatever reason, and you have gone down? harrison: i went down once. that can be enough. i didn't crash, the airplane did. charlie: pilot error? harrison: no, sir. the engine quit. charlie: but that scared you. harrison: really it didn't. that is the job. that is part of the job. charlie: right. aviation mentors were whispering in might year and i --w there was not time to the guy named -- i wanted to give credit where credit is due, bob hoover was a great world war

ii test pilot and ace. he flew in speed trials breaking the sound barrier. charlie: right, along with chucky yeager. harrison: he said fly it as far into the crash as possible. charlie: fly it as far into the crash? harrison: yeah, don't stop. you're still be pilot. happily, i found a place where doctors were congregating, the golf course. charlie: they knew you're coming down? harrison: they looked up and there was an airplane approaching in an unusual way. charlie: without an engine network. harrison: yeah, and they pulled me out. there were some doctors right there. charlie: is there anything as exhilarating as -- being in a

plane that could crash? harrison: no. it was a horrible experience for everybody except me. i was -- charlie: calm? harrison: no. i was in a medically induced, for a period of time. charlie: in order to revive you? harrison: to give me the chance to -- charlie: survive. harrison: ok, survive. that think what that meant to my wife and children. charlie: more serious than i imagined it was. i kind of thought you bend the plane, got out, and everything was cool. harrison: you could say that. charlie: what is the passion about for you? freedom? harrison: freedom and responsibility, a subtle bit of both. you earn freedom through

responsibility of preparing yourself to do that. those -- it is of -- a movied you'ree one shot at it, there on the day and hopefully we don't go back and do this schedulecause of the and money is not arranged that way, but it is sort of like eating in a play, you have every flight, every performance the same way, you have the opportunity to tweak it a little bit, make it a little bit better, make it go a little smoother, refine the operation of the event, and that is kind of what flying is. ♪

♪ given you --ng has it seems to me because of the success of the films -- kind of have the life you like? you get to travel to places --pursue your passions? harrison: yeah. i could've done that in a variety of ways, or i would have tried to. it gave me freedom, the success of the films gave me the opportunity to do a variety of

links that didn't -- a variety of things that didn't have the same attentional as those great lock buster successes, films i had a passion for, people i wanted to work with that weren't making that kind of movie here . charlie: what is the best example of that view? 42."ison: " one of the most important stories in american history. charlie: the manager who gave him a job? harrison: the manager of the doctors that brought the first baseball player -- lack baseball player into white baseball. there were black is ball teams as well, and it was successful, but it was one of the precursors

-- the change in the civil movement -- civil rights movement. charlie: we are seeing rick back after how many years? harrison: 35. charlie: has he been in isolation? harrison: all i'm willing to talk about is what is in the trailer. i want them to experience the film, not hear about it. goodie: you can see what moviemakers what you do see in the trailer and if it rings you -- harrison: if you have to wait for people to tell you how good it is, that will work, too. if they tell you how bad it is, it's not going to work or me, but the movie is really something. charlie: do you go out in lost angeles to see a film or does

celebrity prevent you from doing it? celebrity doesn't keep me from doing anything, because one day you wake up it is there, and the next day it is somebody else's turn and it doesn't make a rat's asked bit of difference. you can't let it. you still have to do your chores, you have to do what you need and you cannot hide in your house. charlie: certainly not wise to do it here at it is a boring life. this is the piece here, i long solo flight of harrison ford. harrison: there is the first mistake. i don't work alone. charlie: yeah, it is a collaborative media. nice reference a to han solo, but i don't do anything alone. charlie: you say to this

reporter, i've been accused by usually women in my life of the unreflective. you're not reflective, they say. harrison: and they -- and theyve got a point, and should know, but it is because i have such an investment in the present. that's my -- that's all i've got to say in my defense. charlie: you live in the moment? harrison: i'm trying to. trying to live in the moment so i can beep. for the future, the past -- charlie: done. harrison: what can i do? i'm sorry. very simply, i'm sorry for my failures of the past, but i'm trying to be present. charlie: you haven't seen many failures anyway, if you were so inclined, do you? harrison: there is a long trail of tears, you know.

charlie: mainly personal stuff rather than professional? -- i havei've been not allmovies or so and of them have been to the people who put up the money, successful, you know, and it's not -- that's not the point of -- i haved i have not {expledtive] of my life. charlie: that's the way to do it my friend. this is where ryan gosling is meeting decker for the first time. here it is. a -- thed the plan piano. >> don't lie.

it is rude. cop.top -- you are a >> i'm not here to take you and. >>oh, yeah? >> i just have some questions. charlie: do you like decker? harrison: that is something between dechert and decker -- it is not about me. i have to pull something out for but what serves the telling of the story? i have another -- never in my life other than phrase my character wouldn't do that. helpharacter is there to the story. i want that alliance to tell the story for both of us. i would tell him it would be better another way, or may be --

but i might fall back on it, but i have worked with people who .aven't required me to do that charlie: did you hate to see han solo die? no.ison: it was the last thing for him to do was to die, give the music a little bottom. poppa.no mama, no he is not a convert. there is progress in his believe in obtaining a bit of belief in the motivating force behind the thoughtaracters, but i the last utility would he to sacrifice himself for the good the story, of the other

characters. charlie: wouldn't you like to see george lucas make another one? harrison: no, because george lucas doesn't want to make another one. charlie: i don't care. i would like for george lucas to want to make another one. could gover point he back -- it could be a prequel or sequel. harrison: he is happy doing what he is doing, which is up to him to describe. he has gone home. charlie: yeah. nothing wrong with going home, is it? harrison: nothing wrong with that. charlie: i haven't seen you in a long time here at it is great to see you. you see somebody who you remember so rightly and finally, then all of a sudden there at the table again. harrison: thank you. harrison ford, thank

you for joining us. see you next time. ♪

♪ yvonne: 7:00 a.m. in hong kong come alive from bloomberg's asian headquarters. i am yvonne man. welcome to "daybreak asia." u.s. stocks with an eighth straight win, the s&p 500 cap's its streak since july 2013. they await payroll numbers as hawkish comments strengthen the case for higher rate. betty: from bloomberg's global headquarters in new york, it is after 7:00 p.m. this thursday evening. catalan leaders said to be stepping back from immediate independence. spanish banks