♪ >> he covered the candace is the of donald trump. -- she covered the candidacy of donald trump. her new memoir documents that experience during this historic election. i'm pleased to have her back at this table. it is great to have you here. you haven't seen the president

since the election? >> not in person. since the inauguration. tell me what are people saying about him today. >> there are questions about, what exactly is going on inside the white house. what does the president do everyday? is he is fully invested in the day-to-day operations of governing as he needs to be? why is he getting so distracted by cable news, still, and we are somebody months after he was inaugurated? the step?t there seems to be something different about him today than during the campaign.

i had one person read the book and ask me, do you feel like he has lost a step since the campaign?

charlie: you saw what people were willing to do. katie: they really connected with him. they thought he was somebody who would fight for them as opposed to politicians in washington who seemed to say one thing on the campaign trail and do another after they were elected. donald trump was willing to say anything. he wasn't politically correct. he wasn't going to try and win their votes with empty promises. they believed washington to do what he said they would do. i would argue many of his supporters would stay with him commit because what they wanted

more was the man and not the policy. moneyn't really have that policies. charlie: the iran deal. katy: yes. he wasn't nuanced. i was speaking to one man at a rally in asked, why do you like donald trump? he said, he is going to build the wall. i said, what if he doesn't? he said, it's ok. i trust his judgment. charlie: didn't he say i could shoot somebody on 5th avenue --

katy: and i still have my supporters. that is how they felt about him. they were rabidly enthusiastic about donald trump. some would show it was not just the folks who went to the rally and the like they were unleashed in this space and can unleash their demons and can yell as loud as they could. they were free to be as crude as donald was being from the stage. it was people outside of the rallies, as well. abel who would not necessarily advertise they were supporters. wouldn't go around with a make america great again hacks. -- hat. any of them we would talk to admit that they really like him and i don't think it is an easy thing to admit to my friends or neighbors. the polling, i would argue, wasn't as accurate as it normally would have been because people were going to say one thing and then they got into the voting booth all alone in that booth, and my producer and i imagine that a lot of folks would pull the lever for trump. charlie: one thing happening to you was being a foreign correspondent and coming back to new york and all of a sudden how would you like to follow donald trump? it changed your life.

katy: it totally changed my life. i have moved to london, it is a big world and that is a dream job. you get to travel everywhere. dream job. dream job. the only job that i ever truly wanted. the only job that i said i would allow to take me out of new york city or even los angeles. charlie: did you come here for a visit? katy: i came here for a visit, i walked into the newsroom, you have to remind your bosses you were alive because overseas and can get slow. nbc dropped donald trump. the miss universe pageant was dropped. they said we need to cover the story. who is around? someone said katy, she is just standing around. i was just standing around and i

got the assignment of a lifetime. charlie: your book is about the craziest election in american history. why was it crazy? katy: because he defied political gravity at every turn. he said things nobody else would be able to say in that position because he allowed other people to say things that they would never normally say. there were no rules for this campaign. there was no boundary. there was no taboo. there was no line that donald trump was not willing to cross. charlie: he was doing something right, obviously, because he won. katy: yeah. charlie: beyond the fact he had his own constituency. david brooks wrote this about him. "it has to be admitted that he was doing exactly what he was elected to do. he never showed any interest in politics during the campaign. he was elected to shred the american culture and give a

voice to those who felt voiceless in that culture." katy: i thought about that in the book and who was a trump voter and how they might have been feeling. people who feel like they are screaming in a crowded room full of other people wearing these people whose food is full of chemicals, whose medicine cabinets are full of pills. the feeling that america had passed them by. they go into their local main street and the shots are boarded up. they are big box stores instead of mom-and-pop. the jobs had moved away. charlie: david also said this. what is troubling to me is those who are the target of his assault, the establishment, and . >> those who are the targets of his assault seem to have no

written i do -- no idea what was there is a sense in terms of the establishment. katy: if you pick up this book and read it, you'll have a better understanding. it is easy to forget what happened on the campaign. it is easy to whitewash it in your brain and say it was just nothing but a political anomaly and can never happen again. and how dare donald trump come in and do things we cannot -- and not do the things we expect a president to do. go back and read and get the day-to-day of what happened. charlie: you suggest arts of the deal where he says i understand and feed people's fantasies. katy: absolutely. truthful hyperbole. jimmy iselin said it best -- bre

slin says he is good at convincing you he is special, that he is unique, and that he is the one who can do something that no one else can. he stood up on a podium and said, i alone can fix it. people bought into that because they bought into the idea of who donald trump was. the dealmaker, this unparalleled businessman, this savant when it comes to success. part of the reason they bought into that is because his stint -- of his stint on "the apprentice." charlie: tell me how that followed. because he was a salesman? katy: because he was a salesman. he presented himself on the show as this ultimate businessman. he knew who would do well in any given job. they would say to me, he is going to hire the right people. how do you know? because i saw him do it on "the apprentice." he did a very good job holding

the mythology around donald trump your he has always done this, charlie. you have known this for decades. he did this in the 80's and the 90's in new york with the tabloids. he sold himself. he would call up reporters and tell them -- she would sell them, donald trump can't lose. charlie: do you believe that? katy: i think they are one in the same. i think he believes what he is saying. charlie: do you think the reporters thought he would win? katy: no. kellyanne conway was on at 5:45 rnc.vember 8 blaming the this enthusiasm has got to show up and is not being captured correctly by the polls. charlie: it was a core belief.

katy: i think he went on and off about whether or not he would win. toward the end, i think he thought definitely he would not win because that is when you saw him go out and talk about the conspiracy theories with the big banks and hillary clinton, with the liberals in the media and other shady -- charlie: he wanted to eliminate that he would protest the results if he didn't like them. katy: if he didn't like them. yes. but he was that he himself up or he didn't win there was fraud. charlie: did he win the election or did she lose it? katy: i think there is a combination. it is hard to stay this close to it. i think you need a lot more distance from it. for as much as people liked donald trump, people hated hillary clinton.

charlie: is the combination of his core supporters, he has had more than that -- so the political question for me is the more than that. are they still with him? katy: that is a really good question. there are polls that indicate that could be breaking here and there. the people who held their nose and decided they wanted to vote for him because they did not like hillary clinton or thought she might be under federal investigation. where do they stand? that is what we should be watching out for. i think it is very dependent on who the democrats put up for 2020. charlie: there is speculation. somebody quoted -- i'm not sure if he said it but quoted that there was a 30% chance he would not survive his first term. were people speculating on that? talk of the 25th amendment -- katy: when i asked folks in the world about what they think of donald trump, will he remain throughout this term, the question is generally i don't know.

all options are in the air. i would be surprised if donald trump walked away from this willingly, just as i thought it was inconceivable that he would have walked away from the campaign willingly when the access hollywood tape broke, when everyone's telling him to. i do not think he wants to be seen -- charlie: steve bannon. katy: yeah. i do not think he wants to be seen as a loser or a quitter. i do not know if steve bannon was trying to fire a shot over the battle that says, listen, get on board with me. get on board with who i think you should have in place in 2018 because if the democrats win the house you will be impeached. charlie: how did you go back to the campaign when you are signaled out? when he would holler through the crowd there is little katy tour in the back.

katy: i remember thinking what is the point of this. i was the first corresponded to -- correspondent cover the campaign full-time. i was the first person from a mainstream media outlet, from nbc news of all outlets, to say we think you are a serious political candidate. you are a player. you have a chance. he would see me at rallies for months before anyone else would show up. i was the only face he recognized in the crowd because other orders were not on that beat full-time. he would often come back and talk to reporters after a rally and i would get my questions answered all the time. when he needed a media foil to represent the lying scum press he would call out, he knew i would be out there and he can safely say, i am back there.

and everyone would be able to turn around and find me. there were times when it felt uncomfortable and threatening. certainly the muslim ban day in south carolina. charlie: what happened that day? katy: december 7, 2015. a couple from san bernardino went up and shot an office party. president obama gave a speech on terrorism and donald trump comes out and announces he wants a muslim ban. he is saying the obama administration is not vetting people properly. they are letting terrorists come in and your muslim neighbors are hiding them for you. they are out to get you and your lives are at risk. the majority of republican voters most feared being the victims of a terrorist attack. donald trump would say the media is complicit because they are not reporting it and telling you the obama administration is not -- is being lax with the borders.

and in this room of people who are waiting for donald trump to officially announce he does not want muslims to come into the country, this room of people who could not think it was a bad idea -- he starts going after the press. he says, little katy, she is back there. the whole room, thousands of people, turn around and yell at me at once. stand on their chairs to boo me. they start pointing and calling me names. it was threatening. charlie: you are feeling what? fear? katy: in the moment i thought to myself, smile and wave. so i smiled and waved. if they are intimidating you and think you are scared, it is worse. i did a live shot, another live shot, and there were stragglers

that were waiting behind the press pad. my phone is blowing up with frantic messages from my mother hoping that i am safe. messages from my bosses hoping the same thing and from fellow journalists on twitter coming to my defense. i finished my live shot and we thought it was a good idea to get out of there. a trump staffer finds me and says these guys are going to walk you out and it was two secret service agents. charlie: you wanted the answer to why doesn't he tell the truth. why do you think he doesn't tell the truth? katy: the truth is not in his favor. charlie: in any way? so when he lies he doesn't know -- he knows he is lying? katy: i don't know how after all the time we corrected him that he can say america is the highest tax nation in the world.

he is corrected in the moment and then he says things again. charlie: or he will say he read it somewhere. katy: i'm obviously not in his mind, but he has been corrected publicly a lot for a lot of the things he says, and he still says them. charlie: does he have self-doubt at all? katy: it doesn't seem like he does. charlie: who has the capacity to say no to him today? katy: that is a good question. i think his kids have the capacity to say that. charlie: do you think they do say it? katy: i don't know. i am not in those rooms. tom barrett said that he will say no to him. charlie: i think he will. i have known them for a while. katy: there are a few people in his orbit that have been there long enough to know how to relate to him on an honest level.

i think he had a longtime buddy, he is no longer with him in the white house. charlie: general kelly, who now controls access to him, has done a disfavor to him because the president said people can come in and talk to him. it buoyed his spirit to be able to have that lose connection to people without a formal structure, without developing a gatekeeper for him. katy: the thing i can add about who can say no to him. what i noticed most about donald trump's world and those who are close to him and have a relationship with him is he inspires a lot of devotion. charlie: inspires or demands? katy: maybe both. when you ask a lot of the people that he is close with what do you think of when he does this, or do you think he is actually

fit to be president, do you think he cares enough about policy, the answer i would give even in private is he is a wonderful man and he cares about this country and he will be great for this country. that was an almost unfailing answer from everyone and his world. i don't hope it is the demand or inspiration, but they feel that way. charlie: thank you for coming. ♪ ♪

charlie: dr. gates, jr. is here. he is one of the most respected african-american scholars. this season features many bold-faced names. including larry david and bernie sanders. here is a look. >> we match dna against anybody who has been in my series. if you have long identical stretches, that means your cousins. >> i have some cousins? >> yes. >> i hope it is a good athlete. what the hell! you are kidding. oh my god. that is unbelievable! is it true? >> it is true. >> that is so funny. that is really funny. that is amazing. ok, cousin bernie.

>> they talk about larry david and they say he does a better bernie sanders than i do. [laughter] charlie: i'm glad to have you back. dr. gates, jr.: nice to be back. charlie: bernie sanders and larry david are cousins. you never know what is hiding in your genome. this is the fourth season. dr. gates, jr.: remember, it started in 2005. it was called african american lives and i wanted to do a 21st century version of alex haley's "roots." i wanted to get a prominent african-americans and trace their family history back to the abyss of slavery. that is one records for black people -- when records for black people disappear. i wanted to find out what the

group they were from in africa. i got oprah winfrey, chris tucker, quincy jones. it was an experiment and a big hit. pbs asked me to do a sequel and we called it "african-american lives 2." we did morgan freeman. maya angelou. charlie: the idea with their lives would be more interesting to people? dr. gates, jr.: viewers, real people want to look over the shoulder -- charlie: they want to know about people and their families. dr. gates, jr.: right. this is an archival form of gossip. here is when the brands changed. i get a letter, charlie, i started getting all these letters from people. i got a letter from a russian-jewish woman who says i've always admired your career and your stance on multicultural diversity. after watching two seasons of "african-american lives" i

decided you're a big, fat racist because you only do black people. [laughter] my focus is african-american studies. i have studied that since i was 26 years old. yale, or knelt, duke. i had to ask friends and pbs, can i expand the brand? we decided we would do that. why wouldn't we share the fabulous experience with everybody? we did a show called "faces of america." it was a four-hour experiment. i know how difficult black people, but how do you pick white people? and then what about asian people? muslims? catholics? i did what noah would do. two of each. it was marvelously received and i was asked to do a weekly series. we changed the name to "finding

your roots." 50,000 years ago, all of your ancestors no matter what you look like today were wandering around or wandering out of east africa and that is a fact. we're over 99.9% -- it is a fact that bill clinton loves to quote -- that we are 99.9% identical. but in the name of the tiny little genomic difference, people enslaved people and wage wars. i'm often asked why i do the series and the real reason is to deconstruct the perceived notion of race and biological difference to show that no matter what the law was, prohibiting -- shall we say co-mingling, four-time

immemorial -- for time immemorial, everybody was sleeping with everybody else. sometimes it was in the case of slavery or rate, but other times it was not. one of the most interesting things i have learned was we have guests with three dna companies. the black people, none have ever been tested by us and i think very few by any of these dna companies who has been 100% sub-saharan african. the average african is european. european. because of slavery. charlie: slavery transported them to places in europe and the united states. dr. gates, jr.: the slave trade to the new world and more specifically the united states. i always ask if they have african-american ancestors. my great, great grandma. high cheekbones. almost none of them have native american ancestry.

some do. valerie jarrett did. oprah did. chris tucker did. charlie: how do you do this? >> we take the dna and analyze it. m it will tell you in the case of usales the y dna you inherited from your mother area or mitochondrial dna, what you inherited from your mother, but your percentages over the last 500 years since the time of columbus of native american ancestry, european ancestry, sub-saharan ancestry, and asian ancestry.

and there could be 30 subdivisions. charlie: that's all well and good, but i want to know who was my great, great, great, great grandfather and who he married. dr. gates: that is the first part of the series. which is your genealogy and your family tree area the funny thing, i only realized when we were filming the first person in 2005 when i thought that african americans would be moved more emotionally by discovering their african origins. i only discovered when the first guest broke down and cried when they saw the slave ancestors. what people really on to -- bond to emotionally was when they ask exactly what you said. where was my great great great grandfather? what were they fleeing? happy people do not migrate so what were they doing? charlie: how many were farmers? am i royal? oh, i am sure i was royal. [laughter] gates: we are going to find

out. charlie: it is the essential question for everyone. who am i? dr. gates: last year we had 3 million viewers a week. why? i think because we have so much anxiety about the present and therefore the future that people want to take comfort from the past. you want to anchor yourself. how did i get here? what is terra firma for me? the ultimate terra firma, ultimately to find solid ground is within your self. you are carrying dna from each of the ancestors back six generations. 30 years per generation. that is everybody in your family tree from 180 years back. you are actually carrying dna from them. you are like a walking family tree. and then when you hear the stories, and nobody -- we have done hundreds of people -- no one knows anything. i used to think it was only black people who didn't know. white people, wasps don't know,

jews don't know, muslims don't know. charlie: it is the reason children who have been adopted, even if they have loving parents, one to know. dr. gates: we have the most amazing adoption story we have ever done. it was teo leoni. leoni. her mother was adopted as an infant in texas. tea only told me this when they filter. they were arguing about being in the series for a year because the mother did not want to know. you cannot guarantee that we are going to find your birth mother and birth father. it is very, very difficult. we have a genealogical geneticist, the sherlock holmes of genealogy and she specializes in adoptees. to make a long story short, i said to tea, i promised you nothing but i warned you the

best we can do is find out if your grandmother was of irish dissent or french for us cannot ashi jewish. i said please turn the page. she melted. she is looking at a woman, obviously not her mother, but her mother is a spitting image. i said you were looking at your biological grandma, and she wilted. charlie: can she find her biological mother? dr. gates: no, she knows her mother. we were looking for tea's mother's mother and father. we found the grandparents. we found the grandfather. then she goes off because she just fell apart, as you can imagine. then she comes back and she is still fighting back tears and she says, tell me about her. when did she die? i said, she didn't die. and then she fell apart again. can you imagine? and then we found her mother's

biological father who had passed on. the biological father is descended from a man who is the -- who was a next-door neighbor to george washington. her six or seven grandfather. she had no idea. it was amazing. it is fabulous. look at when we do janet mock. what moves them the most is not knowing where they are from in africa, it is knowing the names of their enslaved ancestors and, if you're lucky, the white people, sometimes black -- giving them dignity and finding out where their names come from. because the overwhelming percentage of african-americans took their names from some white person who owned them. their ancestors. charlie: there was a ben affleck story. affleck did not want you to disclose, and you didn't.

does that happen often? with that an isolated example of how someone comes and says this is embarrassing to me, whatever it might be? dr. gates: it never happened since, and people know the rules. you cannot ask for something after it is filmed to not be disclosed. charlie: to stay with the idea, are people embarrassed? it is not all her rock or romantic. someone thatt be -- is in their ancestry. dr. gates: someone made a joke that my job is to make people feel better about their ancestors owning slaves. if i do your family tree in season five, if you have ancestors who owned slaves, i'm not going to make you feel bad about it. i am neutral. i am just reporting who your ancestors are. we had one person who was very

proud of his japanese heritage. it turns out, he was not japanese, he was korean who was sent to japan to be educated and adopted a japanese identity and passed for japanese. and then, during world war ii, he was engaged by the nazis. he has a museum in japan. he was engaged to entertain german troops in europe. that is a very embarrassing thing. he had no idea. carly simon is a dear friends, and i would tease her about her lips. look at her lips! you have something black about you. and she would laugh. i would control her -- i would cajole her, and finally she agreed area my partner is a human historian. that is crucial to the story. we asked carly what she knows.

it turns out, her grandmother's name was shebee. it turns out, shebee's great, great grandparents were free people of color. shebee was cuban and 40% black. we found out that her great-great-grandparents were free people of color. they had been liberated slaves. we triangulate her dna. she was about 40% black, which means carly's mother is 20% black and carly is just under 10% black. >> 10% african. >> that is equivalent to the amount of dna you would inherent -- inherit from a great-grandmother of full african ancestry. we never tested a white person as black as you. >> i can't wait to tell my sisters. [laughter] charlie: this is on at what time? dr. gates: 8:00 on tuesday night. ♪ is this a phone?

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charlie: "stories" is a new film from noah baumbach. it discovers a manhattan family. it has received widespread praise. here is the trailer. >> we could get the table last minute. that is why they give us this big of a table. i imagine they will send complimentary stuff, too. >> $55 for a steak. $35 for a salmon. do you get a salmon to blow you

for that price? ♪ >> i didn't realize you had two sons. >> and a daughter. >> it will be ok here. >> it will be nice to spend time with dad. i didn't get a lot of time with him growing up. ♪ >> take all of the little birds and deep fry them. there are no little birds left anymore. they have eaten them all. ♪ >> you are going to meet a lot of interesting new people. ♪ >> you are on the list for the public viewing.

right now, this is the private viewing. >> she hears everything you are saying. ♪ >> i do not think i have ever seen gene run. run, run, run! ♪ [beeping] ♪ >> ow! you kicked me in the shin. charlie: joining me now is the director and three of the actors. noah baumbach is the writer and

director. dustin hoffman plays the family patriarch. adam sandler is the oldest son. and elizabeth marvel is the daughter. i am pleased to have all of them here at this table. great to have you. tell us about this family. noah bank something we always talked about in a way, dustin plays a sculptor. he is the father, harold, and it is a family where i feel like art has taken the place of religion. they all sort of look up to the artist and art as the hierarchy of what is success or fulfillment or happiness. because harold has not had the success he hoped for, the happiness has not come with it.

the story tells -- it is broken up into sections. we have the kids from his first marriage are played by adam and beth marvel. then he left their mom and married another woman. charlie: and is off in l.a. making a lot of money? noah: yes, he is. he is a business manager but not an artist. he has another sense of accomplishment because he went another way. the movie sort of documents how these adult siblings have kind of come to contend with this figure in their life. charlie: how did you see harold? how did you inhabit this patriarch? dustin: my father had a lot of patriarchal qualities. [laughter] dustin: when we met, we started talking about our families.

not for attribution. but off the record, my father's past -- his is still alive, so we have to be judicious. charlie: you reached into your own understanding of your father and how he was? dustin: yes, this whole idea of success and failure. what constitutes success? what constitutes failure as an artist? in other words, you can fail as an artist, there's history of it, van gogh, whoever. and it has nothing to do with the depths or qualities of it. even finance all success. dustin: yes. charlie: tell me what you wanted to do here? you have these interesting actors playing the dynamics of a family. this is not a new subject for you. what happens within families seems to be your -- noah: i do not know exactly what brought me back to it except i

am interested in also family mythologies and how families, starting with the parents, invent a kind of mythology. either consciously or unconsciously. in this case, it is about what makes a true artist. but all families do it to some degree. as the kids grow up and they go out in their own lives, they become their own personal mythologies, which sometimes they don't even realize. i think a lot of growing up is kind of -- is almost unlearning some of this -- charlie: learning the relationship or the impact of the parent on the child? noah: yes and unlearning what they have been taught. they almost don't realize they believe what they believe. in this case, it is about what constitutes success. is it -- adam's character is a

frustrated musician who never pursued it but was clearly talented, but was a wonderful father. because that is not valued, parenting is not valued in the family, he feels like a failure. but he has an amazing daughter. he has clearly done an incredible job. by another family's standards, he would be an incredible success. this character makes a lot of money and is a successful as his -- as a bank manager but is not an artist. charlie: by the values he has learned, he is not successful. and what about jean? elizabeth: that is a great question. to me, it is so interesting because we were saying what you -- when you are making, you are a mole in the dirt and just in it. then you get to this point in the process where everyone is talking about it and you are looking objectively at it and you start to see all these things that are not just coming on instinct.

jean is very interesting because i think she did not suffer from the pressure of her father's gaze because she was not seen. she does not have that measuring stick enforced on her because she left and created a world for herself. safe and joyful in jean's land. and yet, he did do enough of a job that we all come home. we all come home for dinner, we all still love each other. that is something. that is not nothing. charlie: that is not nothing at all. did you see these actors in your mind when you were writing this or did you write the characters then look around and say -- noah: it started actually with -- ben and i had done two movies previously.

i had an idea. i was thinking about adult siblings. adam reached out to me a few years earlier and said if you ever have anything, which many actors will say and then years later you will send them something, sorry i just didn't respond. [laughter] noah: thanks, i cannot wait for you to offer me again. [laughter] charlie: i spent all his money i have. [laughter] adam was true to his word. ben, adam, and i had lunch a few years ago and talked about what became -- we did not know what it was.

we talked about a lot of things, our lives, but all i left with is there should be a physical fight between ben and adam at some point. charlie: you have no interest in making an action adventure thriller? [laughter] charlie: dustin as a killer. [laughter] noah: we could probably come up with something really good right now. dustin: we should do 007. noah: that was cast incorrectly. [laughter] charlie: in a sense, there is those personalities and those skills that they each had? that has seeped into your brain because you are talking about it. noah: yes, i did have adam and ben in mind. although when i first showed the script to people, the first few people all assumed the other actor was playing the other part. charlie: you thought you were playing ben's character? adam: i tell you, i read it and

then i would have to go back to the beginning. he said i'm danny? i could see myself playing ben's parts. both parts are pretty great. it was just a man's vision and i was danny. charlie: do you feel like when you play a character like danny, you are working with some muscles that you do not normally use or haven't always used? adam: yes. that idea,d you like i would assume? adam: yes. i can see somebody who can act like this. charlie: in your terminology, you can drive and throw a three-pointer. [laughter] charlie: just wait and i will show you. adam: i want to be on the same team with you, charlie. charlie: because i am from north

carolina and went to duke. [laughter] charlie: he thinks everyone who went to duke plays basketball. adam: exactly. charlie: all of this is about the tension within the family, all of whom have this value code about the primacy of art and intelligence. also, -- noah: and then also, what is your role as a child? as a grown child, what is the responsibility? it might give it away, but later in the movie, harold ends up in the hospital. sort of like what happens if -- you have these complicated feelings about your parent. one character is actively

rejecting the parent and then suddenly you can't get angry at him. he is in this very vulnerable state. because of that, things change in the second half of the movie. and also, it is two sets of families. we have jean and danny from one mom and then matthew from the other. they all come together. they have not been together in the movie until this third section. charlie: was the beard your idea? dustin: no. nothing is my idea. [laughter] charlie: you are an actor. you do what they tell you. charlie: the first thing he said. dustin: start growing it now. [laughter] noah: i imagined harold with a beard, but also i felt i wanted

to change dustin's face. i asked you if you ever had the beard in a movie and i think you said lenny was maybe the only time and this was a different kind of beard. you said it changed how you felt about yourself, how you played the parts, having the beard. dustin: i think a lot of what you do as the director and a friend, as long as i have known you, is you do not really know consciously why you make certain decisions, which is quite wonderful. and i think after i was wearing it, particularly after i had seen it, it is his pretensions to prove that he is an artist. i think that was in your -- charlie: his pretension to prove he is an artist. dustin: yes. not consciously -- he wants everyone to know he is an artist. not consciously, but i think he wants to be known and respected in a way that he'd never happened. charlie: do you ever want to

stand up and say -- adam: i have been doing it again. i have been running around putting something together. i book shows and that way i have to go to the improv and other great clubs. stop by and try to do stuff. charlie: do they react to the characters you played in movies? adam: usually, i get a nice response because the audience has in some of my stuff. but i try to shut that down and try to get to the stuff i want to talk about or try out. charlie: "punch drunk love" is -- dustin: "punch drunk love" is the first time i saw adam do non-comedy. i did not know him. i called him up and said i do not think you are aware of what a wonderful character you do. you can do someone who is bipolar at least. i thought it is very good work. charlie: congratulations to all of you. nice to see you always.

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alisa: i am alisa parenti in washington. saying that tehran is not living up to the spirit of the nuclear deal, president trump refuses to recertify the nuclear accord. he laid out the administration's new plan for iraq, which -- for a ron, which lays out a more strict stance on them. pledges his administrations both support for religious organizations, the first sitting president to address the values voters summit promising to return to traditional american values.