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♪ emily: i'm emily chang and this is "bloomberg technology." coming up, goodbye, ireland. facebook declares it will no longer funnel taxes to its irish subsidiaries. walt disney and 21st century fox still in talks. what it means for bob iger and his legacy. the winklevoss twins join the ranks of billionaires thanks to bitcoin. toshiba and western digital have agreed in principle to settle their legal dispute over the sale of toshiba's flash memory business. toshiba agreed to sell that business for $18 billion. we will have more for you on that story later in the show. there's going to be a call at about 30 minutes. we will continue to bring you all the details, but first, i want to bring in a bloomberg intelligence reporter for more.
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we knew they were reaching a settlement, but now we know the terms of that settlement. walk us through those terms. mark: i have had not a chance to look at the terms. they are still coming out. western digital sandisk was disputing that toshiba has the adequate rights to sell interest in a joint venture between western digital and toshiba. they have been in litigation in california state court, arbitration proceedings that were set to conclude in the first quarter of next year right around the same time as the sale needed to be completed. it was in both companies best interest to bring this lawsuit to a close. it looks like they were able to reach a deal. the details of that deal are being released now. it has been rumored that the companies were getting close to some kind of agreement. it looks like the agreement was approved. lawyers have been able to draft up legal documents. both companies will be better off in putting this dispute behind them.
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emily: what is the significance of this in the context of a rapidly consolidating chip business to potential big takeovers -- broadcom and qualcomm. is there a relationship? matt: there is consolidation. and a lot of companies are looking at where they are going to secure supply. how those supply chain relationships are going to be -- are going to be consolidated, whether they are going to be secured. for western digital, this is certainly a big deal in securing their chip supply into the 2020's. western digital and toshiba have been collaborating on a number of different paths to output memory chips. you are seeing a lot of jockeying and companies trying to figure out where the next generation of chips will be manufactured.
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whose technology is going into the chips. most apparently, who is actually manufacturing the semi conductor. emily: we will be listening in that call 30 minutes from now. we will bring you any more headlines as we have them. matt larson for us in the newsroom. thanks for breaking it down. facebook is changing its tax structure. the company will start to pay taxes in the countries where sales are made rather than funneling through the irish subsidiary. facebook has come under pressure for its tax practices, specifically routing u.k. based sales through ireland. in the states, it is locked in a battle with the irs which may cost them more than $5 billion, plus interest and penalties related to the irish operations. joining us now is sarah frier who covers facebook. it seems like it would make sense they would pay taxes on which the sales are generated, right? sarah: it does make sense but these companies exist on the internet. they have been able to be very creative about where they decide
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to book that revenue. most of the advertising revenue will still be routed through ireland, but this is a big win for the individual countries, for italy, germany, france -- places that will collect taxes from facebook. emily: in many cases, the actual tax rate for facebook -- in one case, they paid $6,000 in taxes in a year -- it is infuriating. sarah: it is. you have facebook, google, apple -- all of these companies trying the best they can to manage their tax issues. there is talk of repatriation of cash. it will get a little harder for them. in terms of numbers, this move does not necessarily mean that facebook's overall taxes will go up. emily: why not? sarah: it could end up being the same rate for them, it is just going to be very complicated to implement.
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in the report today that broke the news, they said it might not be fully operational until the end of 2019. this change is a long ways away. facebook is just letting us know now. emily: what do you make of the timing of this? facebook is under pressure for fake news and many other things. sarah: this is a very critical moment for the company, where they have to make sure they are on the good side of the government's they are working with. in some of these jurisdictions, there are elections were they have come under pressure for the way information is spread on their platform. that have been asked to tackle isis accounts spreading in europe. the company is working with government and regulators on those issues. also, they were not going to be able to use the same tax rates in ireland for much longer. emily: you have an excellent story out about fake news, where it gets propagated. where you interviewed someone who has created very partisan
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and inflammatory news. you talk about how facebook is fighting that battle. selina wang who covers twitter for us, here to talk about an interesting piece in buzzfeed on how steve bannon and breitbart tried to manipulate the weaknesses in twitter's policy. selina, i will start with you. what was the gist of this article and how did bannon and breitbart manipulate twitter? selina: the real crux of that story was bannon an breitbart were trying to seek retribution. it seemed like the platform was silencing conservative voices, especially the writers of breitbart. bannon went on this hunt for a legal and editorial wave to damage twitter's reputation and devalue them. to get short-sellers really galvanized about this company. i think at the pinpoint of this shows the philosophical conundrum twitter has been under
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-- how do they maintain this open platform, while not allowing abuse to run rampant? >> to a certain extent, they succeeded, right? >> there is always going to be people seeking intense backlash. they wanted to be the free speech wing of the free speech party. they don't want to be the arbiter of what is appropriate information and neither does facebook. that's very murky territory. they just want to be an open town hall people to say whatever they want to say if it is good , or bad, and they are hands-off. emily: which has been a bane of their existence. sarah: the profile saw this call of action, the fact that facebook was neutral. they would allow content that is viral. how do you make the best viral content? it is outrageous. it is something that will spark emotion, partisan. he was building a website that went even further than fox news in terms of conservative leanings which often veered into
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fake news. front what we were talking about with twitter, facebook has had to make the same decision. how much of this content to we limit it? do we ban it? do we removed rankings in the newsfeed algorithm which is similar to twitter's verification check mark. basically this year, his very popular conservative website does get crushed by facebook's fake news efforts in their change of the algorithm rankings. it is just not profitable to run anymore. emily: producing the same thing but it will not be viral. will it be allowed in facebook? sarah: the thing with facebook, they are trying to dampen this stuff from going viral, but they don't want to be the arbiter of truth just like twitter does not want to be. they don't want to exclusively
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say this cannot go on our platform. that brings up free speech concerns even though facebook and twitter are not governmental bodies. they understand their power over global conversation. that want to be seen as censoring anyone's ideology. emily: which brings us to the controversy we talk about about the president being on twitter and using it to what many people believe inflame, harass and many question whether twitter should allow him on the platform. >> that is exactly right. not only users, but i have spoken to a member of their own trust and safety council. if it were a regular user, the belief is that twitter would kick him off. twitter tries to weigh the newsworthiness against the tweets. in the case of donald trump, we
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heard from the executive chairman that they like that trump is using the platform. that global leaders are turning to twitter as their first mode a few can indication because that is good for twitters user numbers, engagement, keeping that in the news overall awareness for their brand. and twitter as an overall zeitgeist. they are willing to put that over the concern of users that trump is not a healthy addition to twitter. emily: comments from a former facebook executive, speaking at a conference at stanford business school last month, he said i feel tremendous guilt. it literally is at a point where we have created tools that are ripping apart the social fabric on how society works. he never said facebook by name but many people believe he was talking about facebook. facebook has now come out and really hit back on his comments in a very unusual move to talk about a specific person's comments.
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what do you make of this whole situation? sarah: i think the most unusual thing is facebook pushing back. we have seen people comment on facebook and how facebook is destroying society forever. this year, we heard it from sean parker. there was a big book last year from a former facebook employees that really skewered the company. the company usually stays quiet in these circumstances. what he said must've really angered someone at the top. he is basically using this moment to cement how he wants people to think about him and his contributions to this legacy. he was big on the facebook team back in the day. this is a moment for him to come out and speak within facebook, they're probably worried they are using it opportunistically. emily: do you think within facebook at the moment they are questioning this issue? oh, no, what did we create? sarah: absolutely. this is essential to mark zuckerberg's evolution. over the course of the year, he change the company's mission
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statement. instead of connecting the world -- connecting the world is not necessarily get you to be in good for the world. now he wants to create bonds in the community, do something good for the world. he has done a lot of stuff on the side. this company is thinking about what kind of role they can have in the world long-term. that said, these are all very difficult decisions. do you take down the fake news page? do you let it up and derank it? do you flag it as disputed? these are very hard questions they would have to consider. not just take news, but harassment. fake accounts. these are all things -- maybe even having bigger impact in other countries than they are in the u.s. and look great has gotten us here. emily: very wide spectrum. thank you both. the story of 2018 perhaps. coming up, talks continue in a possible deal between 21st century fox and walt disney.
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phone. he currently has an overweight reading in disney. joining us also is cory johnson. stan, what do you think of the opportunity here for disney? stan: thanks for having me to discuss this mega deal. at the core of the deal is about disney's ambition to reshape its future. it wants to broaden its competitive mode. it wants to improve its companies growth profile. obviously, there are key assets internationally it is looking at with fox. all the content that will come with it. obviously, fox has a lot of ip that disney can develop and monetize a lot better than most. emily: cory, what are the risks of this deal? cory: there are a lot.
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you really have to look at the different parts of the business. obviously, the risk always in hollywood is the ability to deliver hits. it is a hit driven business. it is true fox and a lot of same assets disney to create content, even marvel superhero content, but has not done a good job. that core performance could continue to follow fox into the arms of disney and is truly the greatest risk. i think another existential risk of this deal -- no company should know better about the problems of cable television right now. the move from fat bundles to skinny bundles and unbundled content, going over the top, pulls away from espn, disney's cash cow. now you have been paying a lot of money to acquire fx, part of national geographic, other cable assets, even as we see people wanting skinnier bundles or no bundles at all.
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doubling down on something that is not working is often a bad bet and seems to be the most existential bet for disney right now. emily: i'm curious what this means for hulu. if this happens, disney would become the majority owner with hulu, with competitors like comcast among the minority owners. do you see the ownership structure changing even more if this happens? stan: yeah, i mean, i think comcast will likely pull out its stake out of hulu. i don't think it wants to be a minority partner with disney. disney would have to chart its own course with hulu. primarily, the focus here is to continue to build a directs to consumer product that could compete and reshape the future of tv. emily: what do you think the international implications would be here, because it could significantly impact the
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international footprint given the sky assets? cory: the india assets might be the crown jewel of all of this. it is the one thing -- everywhere else, studios, cable networks -- not even doubling down, just adding more of what they got. who knows if they keep the actual fox physical studios that they have, some pretty valuable real estate in central city in los angeles. it is interesting looking at what they are looking at in terms of india and their ability to broadcast in europe, with the partial ownership of sky that could come with this deal. and their ability to get that all done. that is part of the story they want to tell analysts. stan knows so well, analyst day for disney is thursday. disney would love to have this announcement the moment the markets close on thursday and say we have a whole new set of ideas for you. isn't it great?
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let's tell you why. emily: speaking of timing, this deal would come towards the end of bob iger's tenure. stan, what would this mean for his legacy? stan: again, he's charting his course. he has been trying to retire for some time. i think he wants this transformational deal to remain his legacy, to become his legacy, combined with all the other deals he has done over time with lucasfilm and pixar in the past, and espn that he helped build. i think what is important is to chaperone, take this deal and make sure the integration goes smoothly and disney comes out on top at the end. emily: stan meyers, analyst at piper jaffray. cory johnson. we will continue to chart the drumbeat to a potential deal in the matter of days.
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♪ emily: tesla is getting its biggest semi-truck order yet from pepsi. it is worth an estimated $2 million. walmart and anheuser-busch have ordered as well. production is set for 2019. the tesla trucks could generate as much as $3.5 billion in annual revenue for the company. comcast spent years fighting the obama-era internet regulations known as net neutrality that kept it from charging web companies to boost their content fee. now the cable company says it will not do that if the fcc repeals the rules later this week.
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in an email, a spokesperson said any reporting is inaccurate and false. on this day, apple became a public company 37 years ago in 1980. steve jobs was 25 at the time. the company sold 4.6 million shares at $22 apiece. since that first day of trading, shares are up more than 49,000% with a market cap of more than $800 billion. coming up, the winklevoss twins may have missed out on becoming facebook billionaires, but now bitcoin has them joining the club. who else's in the ranks? that is next. check us out on the bloomberg radio app, bloomberg.com and siriusxm. this is bloomberg. ♪ retail.
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>> you are watching bloomberg. i have your first word headlines around the world. , the democratic senate candidate, has won in alabama. alabama has not sent a democrat to the senate since 1992 and voted overwhelmingly for the president last year. >> alabama has been at a crossroads. we have been at crossroads in the past, and unfortunately, we have usually taken the wrong course. tonight, ladies and gentlemen, you took the right road.
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state,u.s. secretary of rex tillerson, says america is prepared to negotiate with north korea without preconditions, but speaking at the atlantic council the trumpton, he said administration would first want a quiet period without nuclear or missile tests. the eu past chief brexit negotiator is warning the u.k. against going back on agreements made last week. susan at the block will exit and from london after politicians questioned the legality of friday's accord. the issue will be on the agenda when eu leaders begin 18 of-day meeting in brussels tomorrow. brusselsday meeting in tomorrow. >> we are checking markets in asia, and it's all about the dollar falling after we heard that result in alabama. you have a week dollar. of course, also, we are on watch, so that is bringing up a lot of these asian currencies.
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a mixed little bit of mood to these markets here in region. pac you have seen a little bit of a pickup from some of those tech players that were heavily dumped yesterday, but the i.t. sector as a whole still lagging. brent crude up by 1%, but falling back of course from that $65 level. we have a look at that graphic on the index? this shows you what is moving in terms of the big market players. the big front runner today up by bid for4% after that the shopping center giant. jpmorgan saying a competing bid cannot be ruled out. the stock trading just under their target of $10. you are seeing that retail holding company under pressure.
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having a look at the regional picture, health care stocks leading the gains. i.t., as i mentioned, still under pressure and material .8%,s off by about resulting in a loss of about .1% on the overall regional index this wednesday. ♪ emily: this is the "bloomberg technology." i am emily chang. back to our top story. toshiba and western digital have announced an end to a legal spat that threaten derail the $18 billion sale of toshiba's memory business and cut the company all from a future supply of vital products. western digital is dropping arbitration claims in the u.s. that was aimed at stopping the sale to a consortium led by bain capital. in return, the japanese company will and legal claims against western digital. the conference call is said to be underway shortly and we will bring you the latest as it develops. bitcoin's massive rally is helping to lift its overshadowed competitors.
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the second and fourth largest cryptocurrencies are searching to highs on optimism bitcoin futures will attract institutions to the fleshly -- fledgling market. two people writing high are the tyler and cameron wake of us -- winkle boss -- tyler and cameron winklevoss, thought to be among the biggest holders of bitcoin. they spoke to bloomberg about why they made such a big bet on an uncertain asset. >> we think bitcoin is like gold 2.0, so whatever your reasons for investing, we think bitcoin matches or beats gold across the board in all of those categories. it is not scarce. it is fixed. you can send it around like you send any mail. it is harder to do that with bars of gold. the market cap for bitcoin is $300 billion some of the market cap for gold is $6 trillion.
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we think bitcoin disrupts gold. we are three hundred times more correct today and think there is a chance we will be 20 times more correct from here on out. >> is there any reason why people are selling gold and buying that point? >> that is possible. anybody who likes the characteristic of gold in their portfolio definitely will be attracted to gold -- bitcoin come excuse me. >> there was a note talking about that. the research is etf's have not seen outflows and they're looking at different supply-demand dynamics than bitcoin. >> you said you could be 20 times more correct, another 20 fold or 30 told price in bitcoin. many say we could see a sharp correction, then go back up, but could be a rocky road to get there.
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>> part of that is creating access to it. we built gemini.com, a licensed exchange custodian. we launched two years ago. we are onshore headquartered in new york, so it makes it easier for hedge funds to get involved. we have some of the world's most sophisticated market makers trading firms on gemini. phase two is creating a futures contract that we have done with the cboe that is cash settled that allows institutions trading in chicago exchanges to get exposure to bitcoin with cash and then settle out in cash, so they don't have to touch or feel bitcoin and they get the exposure to it, and the next phase of that would be an etf product. >> which eu guys had introduced. you had a filing with the sec and the sec has pushed it back like all the filings.
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are you planning to refile, what is the next step? >> we are in process. we don't have to refile because we are on appeal. we are just waiting to be heard by the commissioners. what is the next >> what is the next step with the cme? not with gemini, but actually from a combination of different exchanges. >> that's right. our contract settles through the gemini auction. we love our product because we think it is simple and easy to understand between the futures price and the underlying spot. we welcome more products and more price discovery in this market. >> when the contracts were being launched, daily auction binds can be light on gemini and you
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don't always wind up producing a price and a can be difficult for the exchange. what have you done to address that? >> auction mechanisms are tried-and-true and used to price assets in all kinds of markets, so we think the mechanism is straightforward and simple and will naturally, organically grow as this contract grows them is so we are not concerned. we run auctions every day, even holidays and weekends. those might be more thinly traded, but weekdays or where you want to focus on the contracts that are settled. it is the largest global liquidity event in the entire bitcoin market. >> 1.3 million average -- >> that is the key. if you look at four clock and the constituents of another blended index at 4:00, it is very elevated liquidity and price discovery.
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a lot of these auctions are self-fulfilling. you have a contract pricing to it so it builds the reason or relevancy of it, so it is like a snapshot in time before there is something tied to that price. >> you guys are one exchange. many times you see do verging prices on these different exchanges, which can make it more difficult to trade bitcoin and transact in bitcoin. what do you think causes more price stability? does bitcoin need to be transactional more than it is right now? >> it depends on which exchanges you are talking about. we are a new york trust company, the most regulated bitcoin exchange and custodian in the world. when you look at the prices across u.s. exchanges as regulated, it is a small deviation and they very much track each other.
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you're talking about unregulated offshore exchanges in different jurisdictions that are highly risky, of course there will be risk premiums. sometimes you can't get fiat currency in and out. >> coin base is u.s. based and its price has been different from other exchanges. >> it is about getting sophisticated players into the ecosystem. the futures product we have building and that is live right now, the first ever bitcoin futures product with the cboe will create a way to short bitcoin, so there will be a two-sided market reducing volatility come increasing prices country and liquidity. emily: that was tyler and cameron winklevoss, cofounders of gemini. who else is writing high the spike? our reporter joins us now. i want to start off with the winklevoss twins. how did they a message a stake
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and how big is it? >> you can trace it back to the dispute with facebook. out of that, they got about $20 million in cash and $45 million in facebook stock. they have used that to go into various investments come and one of them in 2013 is they bought $11 million worth of bitcoin. we have been tracking the price of that. in december that was worth $1 billion, and now after the bitcoin pricing, it is $1.7 billion, which has made them both billionaires. as long as you can liquidate that bitcoin holding. emily: is it true that the vast majority of it coin wealth is held by a very small number of people? >> there is some interesting reporting out of bloomberg suggesting out of dozens of whales who own 40% of the
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currency, and that to me is the most interesting point of contention here. if someone wants to sell out, a big $100 million bitcoin holding, how will it affect the market? any of their sales will influence the market, at least in terms of other equity markets where you have more limited volume and trade. emily: do those whales hold an oversized amount of influence in this uncertain and rapidly developing market? >> definitely. you can see that in these big fluctuations. nobody really knows when they are coming, but when you have seen a few big sales, the price has taken a massive hit. there are plenty of retail investors coming in, but it is the big boys out there causing most of the movements. emily: you've also been tracking crypto company, explain.
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>> it is basically the first publicly traded company that says it will invest in bitcoin. its market cap, it's incredible. it was first in the hundreds of millions, then this week it is $12 billion. today it is $4.5 billion them basically as stock traded over-the-counter. these numbers are not authentic, but on paper the founders who set this up in june have built a $1 billion stock position only on paper. it is an over-the-counter stock, so volatility is based on very thin volumes of $1 million or $2 million. emily: there is a story on the bloomberg about women involved in the cryptocurrency document, which is dominated by men, but the subhead of this story is that bitcoin is welcoming to anyone who drinks the kool-aid.
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>> exactly. it is the nature of this, a totally open opportunity. anyone has the chance to change the future of finance. you have major figures, and when you look at finance traditionally, it has been male-denominated, and while the coin has been male heavy, it is going to change. emily: thank you so much. coming up, california governor jerry brown explains why the state's leading the charge on climate change and how silicon valley is joining the effort, next. this is bloomberg. ♪
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emily: president macron is hosting the summit in paris to review progress set out in the recent agreements. california governor jerry brown is among the attendees. bloomberg caught up with the governor and asked about california's role in combating global warming. >> we're not going to convert donald trump, mitch mcconnell, or mr. ryan. they are in denial. they are pulling back on research and trying to prevent california and other places that want to go on a renewable pathway and resurrect coal, which is dying. that is all true. with complications such as this, we mobilize commitment. there are real financials statements that will be reflective of real commitments
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in dollars. i heard this morning from west africa, indonesia, and for other countries that are named, it's of these are real things. we are doing stuff. we are converting people, but we have to do it one company, state, nation at a time. yes, this is not perfect and there are a lot of people talking and what have you, but the world is going in the wrong direction. it's going to hell and not heaven and we have to wait people up. because the cynical complacency of the powerful obscures the truth there is no reason why the president of france and many others, denmark, sweden, romania, so many other countries, china, so there are a lot of people and there are more all the time.
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there are more than there were two years ago. look, it is a real battle. i will do everything i can well i have any position of power and responsibility to move the world toward a future that is sustainable and will not be the destructive path that the cynics and those who don't understand climate science are stupidly moving the world towards. we are making progress. is the world on the right track yet, no, but we are taking steps and next year and san francisco we will have a similar conference and will keep going as long as we can and eventually i believe we will win, the people who are on the site of truth, sustainability, and the science as we now all understand it. >> i have to ask you about edwin lee. the mayor of san francisco passed away in an untimely way.
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give us your thoughts about edwin lee. >> ed lee was a really good guy. i knew him. i did not know him for a long time, but i think he was a politician who spoke the language of the people, down to earth, real, genuine, had integrity, worked in a city that is divided along many different lines, so he will be missed. he was a good guy. he represented california and the city. these things happen. we never know the time or our when our time comes up, and we will miss ed lee quite a lot. emily: governor jerry brown of california speaking with david westin as they were discussing their san francisco mayor ed lee had died. lee was working to lower startups and major firms to san francisco.
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emily: indonesia's first one billion dollars startup is facing competition and challenges with rapid growth. the latest test is a band of its food delivery service to a local jakarta school and the opposition that followed. tell us exactly what happened here. >> this is a lighthearted reminder of some of the issues these startups face as they go into in trenched industries.
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there were dozens of drivers delivering food to school kids at lunch, and kids were enjoying it. there were dozens lining up every single day and the school said this is not good for us. it is diverting revenue from our school cafeteria and delivering unhealthy food and creating waste with all the delivery bags and cartons. emily: why are the kids at the school so upset? >> these kids want what they want to eat. if you have the option of cafeteria food or dozens and thousands of restaurants around jakarta and you get that option taken away from you, it is the same thing happening everywhere. they decide what they want, get used to it, and then get upset if that is taken away. emily: bloomberg recently spoke with the ceo of go-jek and
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he had this to say about the competition. >> it is because we have been pushed to our limits, so we have to hyper innovate in order to adapt. we came out on top in indonesia as a result of that competition, and the urgent hunger to innovate. emily: this is indonesia's first unicorn straddling this role as a ride hailer, food deliver here it had easy this evolving given the pushback? -- food deliverer. how do you see this evolving given the pushback? >> you have airbnb focusing on lodging and experiences, but go-jek are in 17 different things. you can wake up in the morning and get a blowout with go-glam, get a ride to work, or do your lunch, get a massage, the rich goes on, cleaner, doctor, so many industries.
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they are saying we have this platform and people, let's see how many services we can give them. you are obviously run into traditional industries that are saying what about our business and why are you taking away our business? >> a fascinating company to watch. thank you for bringing us that story. that does it for this edition of "bloomberg technology." we are live streaming on twitter. check us out weekdays at 5:00 p.m. in new york, 2:00 p.m. in san francisco. this is bloomberg. ♪
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