struggling to stand out. people have devices they are comfortable with. caroline: great to get your expertise. bloomberg technology is up next in the u.s. they will dive much deeper into this news. this is blumberg. ♪ ♪ emily chang in san francisco, and this is "bloomberg technology." coming up, twitter sets a rule that might hide tweets from president trump himself. plus, a revelation from bloomberg news that huawei employees worked with the chinese military on various projects.

and short form video startup quit be looking to raise another $500 million ahead of next year's launch on top of the $1 billion it has already raised. ceo meg whitman tells us how the servicele streaming will compete. first, major news out of apple. apple's chief designer, jony ive , longtime designer, is leaving the company to form a long time -- to form his own design company. ive is responsible for the look of some of the iconic products including the iphone. we got a press release minutes ago from apple. there is a quote from tim cook is a singular figure in the design world and his role in apple's revival cannot be overstated from 1988's groundbreaking imac and the iphone. to a certain extent, this is not

incredibly surprising. over the last couple of years, ive has sort of taken a step back from the public eye, from the day today in the design at apple. he was very focused on building apple's new headquarters, it's circular headquarters in cupertino, california. cook goes onto to say apple will 'sntinue to benefit from jony talent by working with him on exclusive projects and the ongoing work with the brilliant and compassionate team he has built. i look forward to working with jony long into the future. , vicew design team leader president of design, vice president of human interface design, will report to jeff williams, apple's current coo designsumably split responsibilities.

obviously, jony ive is a larger-than-life figure at apple and the way we use technology and our smartphones today. how big a deal is this? >> it is a big deal. apart from steve jobs, apple's cofounder and former ceo, there is no one more associated with the current generation of apple .han jony ive he is responsible for the look and feel of all the familiar apple products, principally the iphone. he was very heavily involved in apple park, the new apple .eadquarters design it is a big miss given how important he has been to apple's recent history and its resurrection from near bankruptcy. emily: that said, as someone who has covered apple for many years, we've been asking the question, how involved is jony ive? when he took a bit of a break to focus on the headquarters, that was a question a lot of folks were asking. we actually had gene munster on

the phone now. he covered apple as a long time as an analyst. what is your take? >> he is iconic, but at the same time, we have been waiting for this for the past -- really since 2015 when he moved to his chief design officer role. as that happened, as we started here, you just mentioned his involvement with apple park and and over theere, last few years, he has played less of a role, even with some of his videos announcing products at different events. this is something we have been anticipating. the company has been managing for this and kind of building a team around him. they've been adding other outside design talent recently. the simple takeaway is this is

more or less to be expected, but that comment, i think, takes away from the impact he has had on apple. right, certainly he has had a hand in all of apple's most popular, most iconic in the last couple of decades. you wonder if he will still be narrating those videos at the apple events. his voice is also quite memorable. overuestion has been asked the last months or years, can apple still innovate? does apple still have what it takes? can apple do that without jony ive? this departure signals the end of the cult of the designer in apple, people andobsess over every bezel the look of the home button. i think the future of technology is not an hardware but in software, the artificial intelligence, the internet of things, and interactions of

computing into the fabric of daily life, maybe without even interacting through hardware. i think this is now the era of software and not the era of hardware that jony ive obviously specializes. >> if i could jump in, let me just address that thought, too. absolutely agree that we are in the age of software, that ai has an impact, but i feel strongly that apple will continue to obsess over the details of hardware. apple has made 's legacy ofony design is one of its core competencies, but keep in mind where apple is at relative to the rest of tech. that is something that is would expect that kind of attention to detail to departure.ite jony's

emily: the first person who obsess over the details at apple was steve jobs, who did that long before jony ive. when i have spoken to tim cook about steve's legacy, he always talks about how steve's dna is infused in the company, so you wonder if the call of the designer that steve jobs health instill will stay or go, but i wonder -- you know, we ask if apple willt continue to innovate. the former president of the rhode island school of design says the real jony ive now works at google. do you believe that apple can continue to work on hardware and software in the integration of the two that is so important develop smartphones more incrementally, at least when it comes to the formfactor?

>> the simple answer is i do believe that the medivation -- that innovation is alive and well at apple. i think the company is going after massive untapped markets around transportation and health care in a think there is a lot of innovation. if you look at their recent hires with the head of ai from google and bring it back doug , i think thosela are examples of the company kind of targeting the next curve. maybe taking it at the most thelistic level, we had computer, the mobile phone, and now we are shifting into the era of services, which they have a lot of announcements, but if you fast forward 10 years, innovation is going to be around, even transportation and health care and i think they will do just great. one of the ways they can do this is the simply have the resources. i think this they are acquisition is a perfect example

of why apple will continue to innovate, because they have the luxury of sitting back and have starto let these things to take off and they can innovate around them. emily: max with us from "bloomberg businessweek." he also wrote a book on apple. ,ust to recap, jony ive longtime designer of apple, designer of the iphone itself, will be leaving the company to start his own design company. played a huge role in the resurgence of apple, kind of the steve jobs era, starting with the imac, those beautiful candy colored computers, and going through the ipod, the iphone. any applemore than executive decides jobs, he was the most important figure. as apple has matured, i think it

is less a company where an industrial designer -- and that is what jony ive is -- is going to have an impact. it has moved into software, which is not his expertise, and also increasingly services. these are very different businesses. i think if you are somebody who is really into the next new hot looking thing, it is a less exciting company, but it is a different company and in that sense, it also makes sense that jony ive would be leaving. emily: "the financial times" week inth jony ive this an excuse of conversation they just published. he says he will continue to be very involved with apple. apple has already said they will be one of the major clients of his new design company. he says while he will not be an employee, he will still be very involved. this seems like a natural and ,entle time to make this change

and he says he is close and remains close with the design team. brad stone with us now. you have been covering apple for a couple of decades. not to date you, but, obviously but ive leaving is huge, apple has certainly planned for this. however, it is certainly hard not to look at this is the end of some kind of an era. brad: that is true. in the messaging, they want to make it clear that jony is not going anywhere, that he will still work on apple products, but it is hard to look at this as anything other than a real big bummer for apple. apple in the to mid-1990's was really key to steve jobs' turnaround. from the mac pro, i feel like the era of new visual flair with apple products is kind of gone. and imac or macbook from a

couple of years ago kind of looks the same as it does today. said, industrial design might be a little less important. might still working on apple products, i expect this is him really phasing out, working on the next phase of his career. the formerave president of the rhode island school of design on the phone now. obviously, you are one of the leading voices in design. you were actually on the show just last week and we were talking about apple's ability to innovate, and jony ive came up and you said the real jony ive works at google. i'm curious what you think this means. is this going to be a big change for big challenge for apple, not having jony ive sitting there in a chair? >> it is a big challenge because ofcarries the myth, the era

.teve jobs that lineage, that momentum has been carried forward, but in the future, it's going to get much harder because software is how we win, not just hardware. that is like -- that is why someone like ib russ, -- google like ivy ross at matters so much. emily: as google is making its own smartphones, even though the pixel has a small customer base at this point, it certainly could grow. historically been sort of the gold standard in design. do you think that balance will start to shift? >> i think it definitely will because google hardware is designed with the same european values and also has superior software on the camera side to

start. that said, apple's big possibility is in the privacy space. as design is more about privacy, apple devices and software do have value in terms of sheer convenience. google products have great design and can make a big difference as well. emily: that is a really important point. apple and tim cook himself has been at the forefront of talking about privacy as a priority, about privacy first in their products. it is certainly a narrative that helps apple and could very well help sell apple products, but if itis not just design or if is not designed, what will differentiate an apple product in the future? >> it is a business model differentiation. they have been very clever, some might say opportunistic, looking about the narrative that

surrounds google or facebook where the product is free but people are paying fairly high tolls in the form of their personal information. premierich sells a products as you pay extra for apple products, but it's worth it because they will keep the information private and secure. i would argue that the departure has no impact on the narrative. while there was maybe a design component of apple's privacy argument, it was essentially a business model argument turning a premium price into a strategic advantage. emily: gene munster is still with us. i would love to hear your reaction to the possibility that google could disrupt apple's stronghold is the gold standard of design. what is your take, especially as google puts even more resources into its own smartphones. the design side, apple will win hands down, and part of it is because to have

the vertical both software and hardware -- because there is kind of a symphony that is played between the two, and they are still the company that can do that. google has recently backed out of just taken a small step back on some of their hardware around the pixel tablet. ,ust looking at the numbers each collectively had about 150 breakout sessions. it 25 sessions at apple related to hardware and two sessions at google were related to hardware. clearly even this idea about the future just being software and services, i think there is a lot of truth in that, but i still think the hardware is really an important aspect, and i think for true design, you have to deal in both and i think apple still has the pole position.

is certainly true that apple is a hardware first company, as much as they are trying to diversify their revenue streams. what is your response to his point? up with apple products, but i know everyone who criticizes google's hardware does not own it. and a pixel and the pixel is superior. this companies in the u.k. who privacy in the graphics space, so there's good work to be done by apple there, but in terms of hardware and software integration, the pixel is a wonderful experience. thoughts? , >> why do they back off of some of the pixel design if they really want to do this

combination between hardware and software? why have they recently exited the hardware piece on the tablet? emily: certainly a fair point. there's no question apple is a company that is in part transformation as it tries to ofry on the line and legacy the iphone. , how do you see apple navigating that transition? there is certainly a lot of debate, but it is a new competitive landscape and google is an up-and-coming player. obviously, there is huge competition coming from smartphone players in china and companies that are making phones that are of quality but much .heaper than an iphone >> i think apple's principal challenge in the near term is that the smartmarket is not growing anymore. we have seen declining smartphone unit shipments in each of the last kid of or three years, depending on whose numbers you look at, and all of

the growth in the smartphone industry is coming from countries where apple has little to no market share. unless that changes, and it does not feel like it will in the next two or three years, than apple's going to have a hard time growing that iphone business. remember that apple is not dependent on the iphone just from the sales of that product, but the iphone is really the hub around which all of other apple's products revolve. if you don't have an iphone, you are probably not buying wireless earbuds from apple. you are probably not buying a homepod. you are probably not buying the tv plus upcoming streaming video service. the iphone importance is much more than just sales of those individual units. emily: apple's chief designer, jony ive, announcing he will be leaving apple at the end of the year to form his own design company. says apple will still be a major client, says he will still be

very involved with apple, very flattering statement from apple ceo tim cook. sometimes this is just the cycle of life. these things happen. people move on. that said, you've got a new generation of leaders at apple, the new head designer who will be reporting to jeff williams, the ceo of. -- the coo. these are names we do not talk about all the time. they are not celebrities like jony ive has become, like steve jobs was. talk to us about the new generation of apple leaders, who they are and what they do. >> i want to follow-up on your point about the older generation. i looked, because i had forgotten, but jony ive joined apple in 1992, has been there more than 25 years, and he was part of this veteran management team. .hil shiller, bob mansfield

this was a team that accomplished an extraordinary amount, and of course, they do not need to be working at apple anymore. they are there because they love it, so i think this is the beginning of a transition at apple. i don't really know that much about jony's deputies who will be taking over, but they've worked with him for decades now and really probably have his sensibility. jony stepped away from the backny in 2015 and came into a management role in 2017, so this next generation really is that'll tested as they come back and really take more responsibility at the company. emily: meantime, we are in a trade war with china. we are waiting for news over the next 24, 48 hours from g-20 and a meeting between president trump and chinese president xi

jinping. apple is one of the main companies cut and the crosshairs with that. while way, of course, is the huge smartphone competitor in china that has become the poster child for what can happen in a trade war -- huawei, of course. obviously, you are incredibly market inith apple's china and the competition apple is facing in china from huawei and others. this could be a design challenge. can apple do what it does with an iphone design at that level of quality but sell it at a there areice, which smartphone vendors in china who are doing that. apple has tremendous challenges in the market in china.

they derive a tremendous amount of revenue from that market but they have been losing ground against him but is like while huawei, as you mentioned. xiaomi is another that has come on very strong. part of that is they have been able to catch up in terms of design. later on, we have this trade war there is resentment building against u.s. products and u.s. companies because of the blacklisting of quality -- the blacklisting of huawei, which we have talked about on your show floor. emily: we do have this quote from jony ive, speaking with "the financial times," earlier this week ahead of his announcement. besays he will still involved with apple he hopes for many years to come. if you are going to do something truly innovative, it is hard to take time. it often requires enabling technology that takes years to

develop. i'm the on excited i get to continue working on projects and there will test there are new projects to develop and -- there are new projects to developing contribute to. talked a bit about google and what you believe is an improved offering from them when it comes , but whatut these companies in china that have made quite successful, decent quality phones at less than half the price? quickly ons moved so design, adopting international styles, also having made hardware for apple for years. by having a trade war, we are going to isolate china, and that is not going to help us because

we all have to innovate together. consider how japanese carmakers were innovating and there was such a divide, but once production system lean principles came back to europe, the u.s. got stronger in the process, so collaboration is still key. emily: obviously, this is an incredibly significant .evelopment some things will change, but most things probably will not at apple. as we look forward to a new generation of apple products, of which the iphone will still be the centerpiece, but apple trying to diversify its revenue, become more of a services company that still depends on apple hardware, what are going to be the biggest challenges ahead? >> well, first of all, let's recognize that these products are goes take years to develop -- these product cycles take years to develop.

the smartphone market around the world is saturated. generates a lot of profit, but it's not a growth business, and tim cook has admitted that and they have defined a path forward that includes moving apple into the services business, so it comes with a different set of design challenges. apple has been really in the process of re-forging its relationship with its customers, getting them to sign up for a music streaming and video , you know, email, other things like that, and that will continue. "bloomberg stone of technology," along with shira, peter, thank you for joining us for this conversation. apple announcing minutes ago that jony ive, the chief designer, will be leaving to

start his own company. he says he will still be involved, but of course, it is a changing of the guard. more "bloomberg technology" to come. this is bloomberg. ♪

emily: this is bloomberg technology. for hb and ebay ceo meg whitman taking her expertise to hollywood as the ceo of quibby. founded by jeffrey katzenberg, it will be mobile only subscription april -- in april next year. promising hbo quality episodes under 10 minutes. they have already raised $10 billion from alibaba and studios like disney, sony, lions gate and they plan to raise another half-million dollars soon. i asked her about the biggest challenges. >> first to explain what we are

doing and attract talent. it was, we don't know what it is. we don't know how it will work. talent.arder to attract now we have our own space, it is more accepted and understood. the second was we have done things differently from hollywood how they normally do them, deals and making content. it is a different cadence, so we have been able to get that done. it was harder. 2020, it ise said like a lifetime from now. meg: we are the first streaming service where you don't buy a library where you can't take an hour show and chop it into six 10 minute segments. it has to be written and shocked for mobile and -- shot for mobile in this format. emily: you were trying to do something different from netflix, but you are fighting for mine share whether it is

them, youtube, instagram, snapchat. you think social media right now, is it good for you? viewers will want to turn away? meg: i don't know about that. we are creating an app that will give you alternatives in those in between moments, commute, waiting for coffee, in a doctors office. we want to give you something that is fantastic in that 10 minute time slot. our target audience 25 to -- ear-olds spends this is 6.5 minutes. we have an opportunity to give them alternatives. about content like youtube? under the gun, criticized, exposing children to horrible things. what are they doing wrong? meg: kids are not going to be on quibi. this is 18 and up and we are

going to make it clear this is .n adult app maybe over time when we do something later, but right now it is 18 to 44 with the target of millennials. emily: in generalemily:, you have to think about how healthy your content is. do you think youtube is making mistakes? meg: it is hard to argue with mostbe's success, the democratizing platform in the world. we would not be here without them. they are doing the best job they can in an enormous uploading a video. with ebay, listings were 100,000 a second. we have to have all kinds of things. i am certain they are taking responsibility to make it right. emily: you raised $1 billion. there were reports for another $1 billion, maybe closer to half a million. how far along are you and those conversations? ,eg: we will raise in the fall

early part of next year but $500 million -- we don't need it before we launch but we think it is wise when you can raise money and the markets -- ultimately we will need that money to break even. we will start in the fall and look for an anchor investor to post around. it listing people want to keep [indiscernible] emily: have you sensed any uncertainty or such from the trade war? meg: not so much for the investors in quibi but the business community in general is unsettled. can see it in the bond deals. there is an unsettled element around the world today. business leaders like more than anything else or deductibility and certainty. that is not our world today. emily: if you were ceo of hp today, how worried would you be? meg: i would be worried about a

trade war with china. these companies are much but it -- much in the supply chain, that is incredibly important area the ability to be competitive selling to other countries depends on being able to manufacture in low-cost locations. emily: how vulnerable are theyemily:? meg: tech companies adapt and you can see people trying to figure out what they will do in terms of a trade war. everyone adapts and it is easier if there is more for deductibility. .- predictability emily: do you have any concern that it could affect -- things continue to go south? meg: our joint venture partner is alibaba. they are an investor in the platform. we have a great relationship. we don't think that will affect us. ours cannot go to china without a china partner. alibaba is one of the best we can be with. we are not worried about that

but we will see what happens. you never know how this could escalate but we got a lot of confidence. emily: traditional tech companies have been struggling to break in to china. ebay, as you know well. do you think entertainment could be a new way in for u.s. business and industry? meg: american entertainment exists in china today. their quotas on how much foreign content can be imported and there is censorship, but there is no question i think the chinese entertainment industry is coming of age and growing. there will be more opportunity for worldwide content into china over time. the china economy is growing, there is a middle-class emerging in a major way and they like entertainment. emily: quibi ceo meg whitman. player for thea

golden state warriors and eight tech player. investor. he published a memoir that chronicles his life from childhood in springfield, illinois to nba champion. he talked about how technology is being used to track players' health and why he thinks the future is right for his warriors despite losing. >> i have a year left on my contract and there is a lot of within the next week. we will see what happens and the future still looks right for the golden state warriors. as far as i am a part of it, looking forward to it. reporter: i want to ask you one of the key issues, you talked call it recently, people it truth talks. the treatment of kevin durant and his injury, was there enough

care taken with you in the past of injured layers in the playoffs? -- players in the playoffs? andre: that has always been the case. we have the best training staff, not just in nba but in sports. we have had that, when i have been with this organization. confident, my statement was more the mindset athletes have in terms of noise with injuries and how it can have an effect on the mentality of a player going out. as for his organization goes we have always been on the same plate -- same page. we always know the best hand when we go out there. shery: we are talking about a heart rate biometrics, so forth. how do you see this playing out and where do you stand? andre: for one injuries will

always happen in sports. when you look at the human body, we put our bodies on the line every game. it is going to happen. you will see less and less of them with technology we have today. you are seeing players come back from career ending injuries. at one point it was the meniscus , the quad or a.c.l. tears, you could not come back to true form from those injuries in the past, now you see them come back within a year, coming back to their peak potential. they are extending their careers. technology played a big part in that. the way organizations care about players and the way leagues and unions care, you see better statesman they have ever been before. an they have ever been before. shery: anything with contract negotiations or the commercial sale of that data and being used

for legal sports betting? that is interesting. glad you brought up that point in terms of player safety and how that data goes in to sports betting. they want to disclose it everything or want all of the information to be given to everyone. i think you always have to treat sensitivity, if that is the right word. there is sports and business and they have to be combined or we wouldn't be able to be blessed with the financial side of things but at the same time you don't want the business to outweigh the game, change the game for betting purposes. you have to have a special care for the game. iguodala and author of a new book. happening to a unique consumer market, why vice ventures is shying away from controversial

investments and things like psychedelics and alcohol. this is bloomberg. ♪ ♪

emily: traditional venture capital funds shy away from controversial products like nicotine, cannabis, gambling, psychedelics but one is tapping .nto these moral gray areas founded last year vice ventures aims to be the premier partner for companies in vice companies operating in what are not submit industries. they announced the close of $25 million fund backed by mark

andreessen. joining us to discuss vice ventures founder. what are we talking about? tons of ice is out there but we are interested in vice brands, cannabis, nicotine, alcohol. emily: why? it it is hard to get someone to talk about the e-cigarette industry let alone invest in it. why do you think this is in opportunity? catherine: i think it is. pitch all of them about how this industry is an of them were allowed to invest because of this clause. and then i saw it was this whole market overlooked. it was a great opportunity to create community around vice and vehicle to invest in it. emily: how much money can you make? they are recession proof. what is the business? catherine: we are the first to

check in, we hold until they sell to a private equity fund, consumer retailer consolation, anyone. mark invested in your fund. i wonder how hard it was to raise a fund from traditional investors? catherine: it was extremely difficult. i called emailed over 550 people. emailed over 550 people. we are going after a market everyone has ignored to date we whenet in there valuations are low. emily: san francisco isn't ignoring the e-cigarette market, they just banned them. we are waiting for the mayor to sign that. juul, theetown of

biggest e-cigarette maker, those are regulatory issues you are up against. catherine: i think binary solutions are not the most -- best long-term outcome. look at substance bands historically, they cause -- substance bans, they cause problems. the bloomberg tech summit earlier, she set down with brad down, listen to what she said. problem i have is how many young people use this product, and we still again, we don't understand the impacts of this product. i think until the fda provides and regulations of this product, we should not allow those things to be sold on the market. emily: we don't know about the health impacts, they just haven't been around long enough. are you concerned about backing things that could be unhealthy

to a new generation of addicts? catherine: we believe the in market cigarette is -- the e-market cigarette is immature. emily: what about social considerations? are you thinking about social implications whether or not you are doing social good? catherine: of course. that is why we only back truly intellectual founders who understand their products. emily: how do you decide whether someone is intellectually honest or not? catherine: you spend a lot of time with them, get to know family and friends and how they want to operate a business. emily: where do you draw the line? 3-d printed guns, there is a lot of devices out there. catherine: we really believe we don't invest in products intended to hurt somebody else. we would never invest in guns or bonds or pepper spray. mbs or pepper spray.

emily: where do you see the next opportunity? where will you put money to work? catherine: we are excited about harm reducing nicotine. we see investors ways to solve that without creating harm for consumers. emily: like what? catherine: like a nicotine gum that started recently. they were doing a great job communicating the effects of nicotine which are not as harmful in the purest form. emily: hopefully you can go through with that and get more of traditional investors again who might be skeptical. catherine: by the end of five years -- thank catherine dockery, you for stopping by. we will be watching. coming up, more on johnny ives leaving the company. we will leave the details. this is bloomberg. ♪ this is bloomberg. ♪

emily: now back to our top story, a seismic shift at apple as johnny isakson o.t. is leaving to form a new independent design company. announced he is leaving to form a new independent design company. you can see him there with ceo tim cook. he had nice things to say about johnny ives, saying he is a singular figure in the design world. from 1998, groundbreaking imac to the iphone and unprecedented ambition of apple partners. he will -- apple will benefit from johnny's talents and we will work with him on projects.

to discuss we have got to acknowledge assist -- we have got to acknowledge him. mark, this happened as you were walking on stage. you have known about it for 50 minutes. this cannot be understated. this is the biggest executive change at apple since they had to change ceo's because steve jobs passed away. ive was an extension of steve jobs. there was optimism about the future of the economy because johny was still around. thisve been seeing years was going to happen. when he was given the cheap design officer -- chief design officer title, it became clear he was shifting away from apple. in many ways i felt he could live with this chief design

officer title for the rest of his life, like with dyson in europe. it isn't really handling day-to-day, but he is the name behind it. jony is the guy behind the white , ituds in your ears, important apple is immense. it is bigger than anyone else's. him leaving the company is a drastic shift, but i probably -- it is safe to say the top 100 people at apple think of this as something coming out officially rather than something changing now. apple,dan, who covers what does it mean for the business of apple and the [indiscernible] mark put it best, it is a seismic change. he has been a key part of overtino's success and dna the last decade.

had the midas touch, but now does cook take over more ownership? , itla left retail, now jony shows cook is going to have to take on more of a role during this transition but this is something investors, it will be a concern. that is more understated in the near term, but he has been what apple represents today. jony was always involved but had much does apple need him -- how much does apple need him? mark: what apple will tell you in the messaging since he took the chief design officer title is jony is hands on as ever, intimately involved with products. nothing has changed.

i think it is not true. he has been stepping back, less seen at apple's campus. he was involved in the design of apple park, but the products you are seeing are not products he has been involved in as much as the ipod back in the day or apple watch or the iphone. was, according to insiders, that was his last big thing. he loves watches, it was a personal project mashed with a health device they were trying to build. that will be his lasting imprint on apple, his last big thing. talking about apple the client of his new design studio, that is another transition word. it is saving face. they might do explosive one off with him -- exclusive one-offs with him. but no, he is officially gone on apple. emily: what does the next chapter look like?

mark: they haven't been decided yet because the roe design is so long and wide ranging. they were talking about a new mac pro, the design conceptualized many years ago. ive'sll see jony influence for many years to come. there is no two people taking charge, allen died, he held the position between 2013 and 2017 was off in designing the park. designs this woman, she and is in charge could you will see charges not tomorrow but in a few years. emily: the next chapter is not yet written. you will try to write it. dangurman -- mark gurman, ives, apple's leading designer for almost three decades leaving apple at the end of the year.

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