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assembly. and yet now, he says it no longer is about the withdrawal agreements, it is about the political declarations. questioner watching the brexit secretary put forward a motion, taking questions from various mps. we heard from drg. they met this morning. he said no member spoke out against the deal. this is crucial. these are the votes boris johnson would need. in the past, they did not vote for the theresa may deal. some of them have not ever backed a withdrawal agreement. the concern was around the backstop.
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that was removed in the boris johnson version of the deal. we will see what answers there are of this. mp, thismoved by the would force the delay. that means the government would have to write to brussels. vote wouldopose the not come into effect. that indeed was the vote. the no deal vote we saw being expelled from the conservative party. this may be an option. that hasn't quite been made clear. the information is there. you're watching the brexit secretary as he lays out the amendments. we are about one hour into these
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motions. quacks we get into the detail of how we do these. the seventht least opportunity this house is had to avoid a no deal. norway, for those of avoid as, who want to damaging crash out, it would be folly to let this opportunity go through our fingers. i know he speaks for his constituents and businesses that recognize now is the time to support this deal and move on. i do wait for the honorable gentleman. we are to find out if he made
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the right decision. if the amendment passes and the bill comes in next week and it on october 31?e yes or no? if the bill comes to next week and it doesn't pass, we leave with no deal? yes or no? to pass that section 13. that's the argument they have repeatedly raised. that is why it's important that we defeat this amendment to deliver that and avoid any further delay. i am most grateful to the secretary of state.
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he said this is about moving on. one of the real obstacles was the backstop. can you confirm that what we have now completely gets rid of the backstop? confirm that the prime minister was told the backstop could not be removed. was told.at he he has delivered. >> are you listening to the debate about the timing? if the amendment is defeated and we make a decision today that is complying and not subverting by we will forward a deal, have to get the legislation through the house quickly. it will mean sitting for long days and probably long nights. isthat passes, my guess
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there will be an extension and that legislation will go on and on and on and we will never leave. if we want to get this done, vote against the amendment and for the motion and get the legislation through by the end of october. he is absolutely right on the process. is our friends and colleagues do not want any further delay. they don't want to see any extension. i will move on. >> thank you very much. he does not want to answer the question from the right honorable member. i will. if the amendment passes and the government brings forward the bill at the start of next week
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and that bill passes before the 31st of october, we will leave on the 31st of october. if the amendment fails and the government brings forward the suddenlysome people discover they prefer the idea of a no deal brexit and the bill fails, we will leave on the 31st of october with no deal. >> the problem with his argument is it's at odds with the argument put forward by the member who says we need the amendment to have more delay. it will take much longer. the honorable gentleman says we need to have this amendment in order to leave on time.
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>> order. point of order. >> i don't usually do this. error in thectual comments previously made by an opposition member. i have never been a member. >> that is a matter of extraordinary entrance in the house. it is not a matter for adjudication. he has advertised is non-membership. i feel better for it. point of order. >> he is not listening to what i said when i intervened. i am an entire agreement with
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the friend who is asking the question. that must be the position. the intention behind the amendment is to ensure that policy. in common with the overwhelming the points of order, that was not a point of order. he has put his point on the record. he will go about his business with an additional glint in his eye and spring in his step. >> the problem with the argument sectionhe says about 13. the purpose is always the same. to stopy resolution
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this from moving forward and stop us from getting brexit done. there are many in this house who have said their principal concern is avoiding a no deal brexit. today is the opportunity for all members to demonstrate they want to avoid a no deal and support this deal and to get brexit done. this is a deal that takes control of our money, orders, and laws. it gives the people the freedom to choose their future. it allows the united kingdom to benefit from our trade deal. we move forward as one complete union of the united kingdom. a securing a new deal, particularm them in
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with the decision on the backstop would be a failure. they have listened. they have reached a new deal with the prime minister. this would be a failure of this parliament not to include this deal and to fail to respond to that flexibility from eu leaders as required. the question is motion number one as on the order paper. the point of order from the honorable lady. >> thank you very much. i will be very quick. i wish shocked to hear the secretary of state mention this.
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to the peacebuted process and it was crucial in dialogue. to said there is a need continue support for the union. how can we defend her legacy? i recognize the sincerity with which she speaks and the constituency faces of which colleagues are conscious. the -- defend the legacy. she knows she has successfully found her own salvation through that process. her point is on the record. it can be studied by colleagues in the house and people outside. >> thank you, mr. speaker. we meet on a saturday in the
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first time in 37 years with huge decisions before us this afternoon. whether this deal , getting the line brexit done, what it means for our country. there has been a lot of attention on how the deal operates in northern ireland and rightfully so. that should not be allowed to mask the political project that is driving this deal. labour has been fixated on the declaration. purposeeals its true and the intent of the deal. no customs union. that strikes at the heart of our manufacturing sector. doldrums, decimated myprime minister thatcher,
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dad was a toolmaker. he worked in a factory all his life and we lived through those doldrums. that is why when i go to a factory, i am proud for myself and my father when i see manufacturing on the incline process. those plants, those plantsturing points -- takeanagement and union one voice. don't take a set of the customs union. it will do huge damage to manufacturing. i will in just a minute. nothing in this deal is different from the deal of the previous prime minister. the weakest of wheat deals for services, 80% of our economy.
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it is clear what this deal does. it rips apart trading relationship with the eu and the price will be paid in damage to our economy and job losses. anyone doubting this should look at the words from the deal put forward by the previous prime minister. put the text side-by-side and ask difficult questions. read: having ato trading relationship of the with, as close as possible the view to facilitate legitimate trade. "as close as possible" have been stripped out. why? brussels assurances. it was underext as the previous prime minister and
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the text before us today, the words have been taken out. that is not an accident. >> thank you for giving way. this is not an abstract of moving on it today. stop selling the sellout deal to us as if this is it. deal ofthe talk of the norway class, of canada plus plus, they present us with britain minus. minus prospects. minus opportunity. the government should put it to a final say. the deal is through the gate. people know more than we did. they have a say if this is what they want.
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a final say is the only way through this. >> i do agree. i want to press this point. this is not just about getting a deal over the line. it is what we are getting over the line and what it means for our country. i invite the secretary of state to intervene. why were the words "as close as possible" taken out of the text? if the aspiration is to be as close as possible, why take the words out? >> i will give way in just a moment. going through that exercise of lame the two texts side-by-side, the words about alignment are all but gone. a deliberate decision has taken of as closeration
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as possible the trading relationship and a deliberate decision has taken out words about alignment. that is not an accident. that is a deeply political decision that tells you everything about this deal. i give way. that goes precisely to the why we will not be able to vote for this deal. we are hearing from our colleagues who represent millions of workers, including those who work in manufacturing. willare saying this deal be damaging for the future of jobs and livelihoods. the whole time, this government has refused working people.
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>> i'm grateful for that. i will make one more point. i will give way if you don't mind. not only is the aspiration for as close as possible taken up, reference to alignment taken up, the new text removes the backstop as the basis of the future relation. it's the basis of the future relationship. it's the basis of the future relationship. out of the budget and into the political direction.
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>> while we listen to his confession of why i wish i voted histhe previous deal, honest assessment is we will remain with the european union and the will be no changes. have an artificially high hurdle. he will ignore the referendum results. >> let me just answer it directly. i have stood at this dispatch box impressed amendments time and time and time again. members of voted against it. andave a basis of the deal we voted for it on this side of the house. that is just nonsense.
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in just a minute i will make some progress. it's obvious where this ends. with something that weakens protections or it ends in no deal at the end of the transition. way.l give believe this deal would lead to new rules of origin checks and other red tape on u.k. manufacturing support -- exporting to the eu? >> yes. they will have to have those checks. let me make one broader point. this is not me speaking. this is what they have said to me. the company, when
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of our major motor manufacturers said to me we don't think we would ever be able to take advantage of any new trade agreements because we could never prove that 50% of our components come from the u.k. that is one of the rules. that was their concern to me. i will make this point because it's a powerful point. people don't know what they are voting for. componentso me are come from across the you. 50%he moment, we can show of them satisfy the rule to take advantage of the trade agreements the eu has struck here in -- struck. their position as they could never meet that. businesses aren't. they said they would not be able to take advantage of that. that's what they said to me.
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i would give way. >> i hear him setting out strong objections to this. party agreedur when it was first mentioned. what is it about the position that they are not willing to put it to the country? >> i think i said this in the debate last week. it's a simple as that. >> i have really agonized this week over whether to support this deal. it has been profoundly difficult.
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does he share my concern with regard to northern ireland? by disturbing the careful balance with the good friday run the risk of inflaming unionist opinions. this is made clear in his intervention. about thencerned position in northern ireland. it is true that i am having reservations about the backstop. on analysis, we thought was right for northern ireland and political.on the ultimately, we thought without
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-- we thought the good friday agreement was more significant. again, it is very important to read the small print. it is true the current deal says that northern ireland remains in the u.k. customs territory, it explains for goods going into northern ireland, the only ones that escape into the eu customs unions are those where there is no risk of going beyond northern ireland and not going into manufacturing. goods across the treatise, asly a if northern ireland is in the customs union. the burden is on the person who is exporting to prove that. how that operates without extensive checks?
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i'm going to make some progress and i will give way again. i promised before. very powerful speech and he is making a very good point about the backstop. in the lastackstop work. this is a new agreement. it relates to northern ireland. this is their future. the careful analysis he is providing to the house, you can listeningtanding and is being bounced into a decision today with terrible consequences for our union and our country. >> i agree. i will take one further extension.
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the honorablel to member for giving way. to sayme minister used that no deal is better than a bad deal. this deal manages to be both. it is both a bad deal with no agreement at is no the end of next year. >> i do agree with that. it's a point i will develop. recognition of the previous prime minister, although she said that, i felt she had a sense of public duty of recognizing the real risk of no deal and would not have taken is there. i do not have that trust with the current prime minister. >> could he explore further the
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customs check? northern leaves for ireland and its destination is the republic of ireland, where will the checks take place? >> there will have to be checks and it has to be done at the border between englund, scotland, wales, or northern ireland. he is not putting a border on the irish sea. it's just wrong. that don't fall into ,hat restricted category they're not going into manufacturing, they're are going to be subject to checks. i will give way once more. >> thank you. isimately, the bottom line
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what is the future of livelihoods. never mind what your passions are of the being in the european union or not. what is the situation for workers? jobs in the welsh economy , they worried about a no deal brexit. i have looked if this bill and there is a real risk that this is the end of manufacturing in the whole of the e -- u.k.. >> i do agree. i am concerned. i am proud of the manufacturing base we have. will take some more later on. i need to make some progress. it's very important that we work through the
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technicalities but also where this leads us politically. this is about the direction of travel for our country. fta, theto a bear government estimates show that's 6.7% growth over 15 years. will be poorer for it. president on the the 19th of august made it clear from his point of view that our exit is to allow the u.k. to diverge from the rights in standards of the eu. let's nail this one. you don't need that if you want to go have better standards. you don't have to break the rule to bring in better standards. you can do that. anybody who wants to change the
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you don't need to change the rule for that. the only reason you need to diverge is if you want to go down. >> he is responding to his counterpart. he mentioned earlier the differences between this deal and the theresa may deal. alignmentabout the aspect that is gone. he refers to boris johnson saying the relationship would still be close with the eu. he also says this is not about rushing something through, it's about getting right. we have heard this throughout the morning. we heard from the european
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research group saying they will as thisproceedings makes its way through parliament. some people backing the willment are concerned it get past today, some will change their minds later on down the line it we will see the process restricted. let's hear from boris johnson. this is what he had to say earlier on about them -- the amendment. >> if the opportunity to have a meaningful vote, which is what i do ise the house wants to taken away from us. pull a vote today if they got the amendment. the numbers at the moment are unclear. there are a number of factions and competing interests.
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different people are supporting it. they will support it for different reasons. i will show you with happening outside parliament. you can see pictures of that. thousands of people are gathering to call for a vote. they want this put back to the people for another referendum. abouts been moving for half an hour. they are moving down to trafalgar square. they support this vote. they have raised half a million pounds in donations. ordinary people are getting involved, trying to have their voices heard. within theom mp's house of commons.
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they are calling upon these people to get their voices heard. side, trying to get their voice heard as the debate continues inside the house of commons. >> we are looking forward to the future of our children. only by putting this back to the people and listening to all of those people, the hundreds of thousands who are marching out there today, give them a say on their future. agree with the tenant of what was said it. >> he talks about workers rights. the you entitlement for holiday pay is for weeks. in the u.k., it is 5.6 weeks.
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why aren't we doing it already? >> because that's something the labour party would never countenance. >> order. are a most eccentric dennison of the house. this is not conducting a private conversation with you. control yourself. >> the conservative party is they are forcing us into no deal in preventing no deal from being on the table.
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the prime minister in his own words said he has negotiated a great deal. what possible argument can they have two not agreeing that we cannot leave at the end of the next phase of negotiations with no deal, at the end of 2020. why would they not accept that restriction. >> i'm grateful for that. i never accepted the proposition. by ensuring the company gets no deal, that undermines the negotiations. i remind the house in the no pointng window, at did this house take no deal off the table. the negotiations were carried out with the risk of no deal. the prime minister brought back to deal and half of her own side
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would not vote for it. i will give way. generous been very with his interventions. the is going back to argument he is trying to make. the dispatch box on that side, the argument is they have to have the eu to protect them on workers rights because there is most likely a permanent conservative government that will threaten those rights. where does that exist that the labour party doesn't have the courage to say they would fight an election and make the case for workers rights in wind that election. that is democracy in action. >> the point is this. been answered.
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why do you right into the bill that you want to diverge? >> thank you for giving way. didlabor government manylate to go beyond times, including granting 6 million workers and extra eight days paid leave. much of the time you were doing that, it was being opposed. particularly by the prime minister who built his career on attacking these kinds of measures. the point he is making his correct. this is not just about the legislation. it's about the common rule book that gives us market access to the european union. cannot promise a deregulatory future to the drg. thatm grateful for incident which makes the point.
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i'm going to make some progress. i have given way many many times. i have given way a number of time spent -- times. deregulatedis the free trade agreement which would drive us away from the european economic model to a different model. we will look back on this as a turning point in our history. it's much greater significance than if this gets over the line tonight. the other possible outcome is this. there is no deal at the end of the transition, this has to be significantly addressed. some colleagues attempted to vote for the deal because they believe it prevents or removes the possibility of crashing out. it does not.
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deal, if thevious future relationship was not ready by transition, the backstop kicked in. that prevented it. door to no deal. honorablete the member. i hope i do it accurately. said wasrstood what he the reason i am an inclined to vote for the steelers very simple. if trade talks are not successful and we could leave on --deal terms, >> he is right with the quote. it's taken out of context. continued, had he
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continued, i make the point that it is commercial reality that by leaving no deal on the table, it makes more likely a good and fair trade deal. that is something i and the vast majority of colleagues actually want. we want an agreement with the eu by december 2020. scrapping the previous backstop, we have more chance of achieving it. >> we will put his full quote in the library. >> that's what i want to take the intervention. he is right when he says if the trade deal is not successful, we could leave on no deal terms.
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let's see what that actually means. the decision on extending transition needs to be taken by the end of july next year. that is eight months away. it is very hard to see how any government could negotiate a future relationship in such a short timeframe. particularly one that wants to diverge. we are aligned. that's true. aligned,nted to stay you could do this more quickly. this government wants to diverge. dealdoes not lead to a no brexit. nobody should vote for this deal. i'm going to make a little bit more progress. today, the prime minister
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dangles workers rights and indicates amendments he might be inclined to take down the line, promises, promises. i know these are important issues. i will make this point and i will give way. the question of workplace rights and environmental rights in standards, consumer not a single trade union supports this deal. i urge everyone in the house to reflect on the likelihood of this prime minister keeping his promises. this is been made. this point has been made. last november, the now prime conference inthe terms regulatory checks and customs controls between great britain and northern ireland would be damaging to the fabric of the union and he went on to say no british conservative
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government could or should sign up for any such arrangement. what does this deal do? it puts checks that controls between great britain and northern ireland. it creates a customs border. it does what he said he would not do. that is typical of this prime minister. those considering putting their ministerthis prime need to reflect on how he is treated his partners. from this, i asked how anybody could trust any promise he is now making. thank you for giving way. this deal rules out the customs union. it rules out the relationship that affect certain sector jobs.
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bonfire on labor standards. does he agree with me that this is a trojan horse? that is why on this side of the bonfire on labor standards. house, it is voted down. agree completely. >> i'm grateful for having way. he made a commitment to me in this house that he would legislate. to this question of trust and confidence, if such legislation were pursued in parallel with your bill or in the with drop agreement bill so they could be decided together, that would
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give him the confidence he requires. >> i'm grateful for that intervention. the point is this. no prime minister said conservative government should sign up for this, now he will sign up for it. that's why we should support amendment a. i take this seriously. this is why amendment a is so important. that gives the house the opportunity to know what precisely the commitment is and what words will go into the legislation. -- the vastpared word.ty will not take his there is more than enough evidence that his word doesn't mean anything and cannot be trusted.
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>> we lost more industry. the last point i would like to make, if anyone knows why we're government,f any you only got to look at this document and the previous trade union bill and you will see it. >> it reinforces the point that manufacturing has been on its knees. has,s revived the way it
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why anyone would vote to take an ax to it, i would never understand. i'm going to make some progress. i am just going to make -- i have given way so much. i do need to make some progress. i want to turn reflate to amendment a. him for theank cross party work they've done in recent months. it's genuinely cross party. will not be bound into supporting what is a bad deal without a proper chance to scrutinize it. it would allow the house to make sure the legal text is acceptable and provides changes so the public knows the legislation.
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it doesn't cause delay. that exercise will be gone through anyway. it's a vote to get on with looking at the next stage. it's a stage. what it does provide is an insurance policy to sign up for deal. mr. speaker, the deal before the house is a thoroughly bad deal. it is a bad deal for jobs and rights. path of at us on a different economy and society, one of the regulation and divergence. everything wenst stand for. the gentleman will give way
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if and when he wants to give way. as was true of the secretary of state. i am not aware they have asked the gentleman to be his mentor. speaker, if we pass this deal, it will be a long way back to the communities we represent. i encourage all members to reject it. >> thank you. a, i call thement right honorable gentleman. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i rise to move the amendment that is in my name. i don't need to detain the house
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for long. is purpose of the amendment to keep in place the insurance policy provided that prevents us from cracking out automatically if there is no deal in place by october 31. when the prime minister brings his implementing legislation to the house next week, i will vote for it. the votes on that legislation throughout its passage will be tight. the prime minister has a strategy and i accept that. say it'sto be able to my deal or no deal, vote for the implementing legislation. i understand that strategy. we can't be sure that such a threat from the prime minister would work. i'm going to be so brief.
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we can't be sure such a threat would work. despite my support for the prime minister, i do not believe it is responsible to put the nation at risk by making that pledge. i am moving this amendment to ensure whichever way any future votes may go, today or next week or the week after, we can be secure in the knowledge that the u.k. will get an extension. this would prevent a no deal exit. >> the question is should amendment a be made. am thankful to the gentleman for moving his amendment. speaker.you, mr.
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commend him for his contribution this afternoon. partner within the within thetion european union, the broken promises of 2014 from this government could not be more stark than they are today. been totally and utterly shafted. scotland is the onlyscotland isf the united kingdom where our democratic rights are not being respected.
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scotland has been ignored. scotland has been dragged out of the european union against its will. scotlander, 62% of voted to remain. this government and the brexit fanatic prime minister has ignored scotland's wishes and the interest they bring forward. it will weaken our economy. rejects the party appalling brexit deal. we will vote it down. this deal would be devastating for scotland. dragging a set of the union and the customs union against our will, it is clear the right wing s.ags it -- brexiteer
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it could lead to a no deal crash out. speaker, anyone tempted to vote for this deal today needs to be warned. this is a blank check to the leave campaign, who are now running the tory government. we could crash out on a no deal basis at the end of transition next year. it isn't a deal at all. it's a gateway to a no deal brags it. -- exit. brexit. tragicxit would have implications for scotland's economy. >> would you agree with me that
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while agreeing with the amendment, what we have in front of us is no guarantee from the prime minister that he would avoid crashing out after the transition. it would take longer than a year to put together. we've got a year and we've been crashing out. >> i am most grateful. the prime minister was given the opportunity to rule that out. the secretary of state was given the opportunity to rule that out. neither did it. i would say this across the house, take note of that. take note, anyone that is tempted to vote for this deal today. there is a very real risk that a no deal brexit takes place by
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the back door. colleagues wish to speak. economiclity of our would be damaged. all brexit assessments show the united kingdom and scotland will be harmed no matter how we leave. why have they not done an economic impact assessment on the deal? how are people supposed to debate and decide on the details when the government hasn't provided an analysis? beliefsolutely beggars that something so fundamental to economice, there is no assessment.
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>> thank you for giving way. believe we should be united on this issue. this is not a good deal for northern ireland. this is been applied to the people of scotland. i would be voting against it. that's why i encourage you to vote against it from our standpoint. it's a goodeave deal at all. how does the prime minister signal up to the deal? speaker, the truth is the prime minister isn't concerned with the economy. he isn't concerned. don't care.rs
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it looks like they are doing the same now. speaker, the truth is this. version of brexit will leave us worse. it will damage are relationship, we don't have much relation with other countries. that theo clear heightened economic uncertainty has been forecasted by one billion pounds in 2019. it damages our economy. it leaves scotland for. what a fool i was. the political game was to get the conservative party into power. the member of our
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party will remind the government that scotland will not be duped a second time. >> my honorable friend is correct. what i say to the conservatives and those that are here, if this deal goes through, this has the , it's clearotland we can see it from the messages that are coming from us. the people that voted no in 2014, they are making it clear that they want scotland's right to choose. i make this guarantee to you. scotland will become an independent nation. >> i think the house is faced with an impossible choice. like buying a house with
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no chance to look inside or see any contracts on it. we spent two months scrutinizing and debating. is it ridiculous we can't see this bill. >> you're looking at the former cabinet secretary giving a speech saying this brexit deal is like buying a house, just on the details of the estate agents. strong words from her. looking at the scottish national party leader. also making the anti-brexit case. he said every version is worse than the status quo. thousands outside protesting today. in central london down from parliament square. he

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