emily: this is bloomberg technology. coming up, tesla blowing past estimates on revenue, earnings and cash. the ev maker is standing by its promise to deliver half a million cars this year. we will have the play-by-play as the earnings call gets underway. faces the biggest antitrust action and possibly a century. rivals and upstarts are piling on. the ceo of duckduckgo joins us

to make their case it is not just about revising consumer choice, but ending the surveillance economy. and maybe not so neighborly. facebook has never been shy about imitating his rival services. now it is treading on next door's territory with a new product that connects neighbors helping neighbors. first, and in the day slightly lower after a volatile session, stimulus talks continuing but ideal unlikely to be official before the election. twitter and facebook shares rising on the back of snap's strong results and netflix plunging after subscriber growth fell short of estimates. right now it is all about tesla. abigail doolittle is in new york following the numbers. we saw tesla shares rising in anticipation of result out of the gate. abigail: very strong clean quarter they put up for their third quarter, beating the adjusted earnings by about 20% to put up $.76 per share.

another quarter of profitability for a company that two years ago folks thought mike a lot of business. perhaps more important is they reaffirmed the goal to deliver 500,000 cars this year. investors really like that reinsurance. is incredible during this year of a pandemic when not many for driving at all that this company is thriving. it is up about 3% in after-hours, but that is relatively muted. a piece of that is because the stock is up so much on the year that a lot of the good news is already priced in. up 400% on the year. again, the stock is up in after hours, but we can sometimes see this stock move 10%. relatively muted but i think investors -- where we had a big earnings mover, align technology, the maker of invisible line, one of the top stocks in the nasdaq 100. set to open above 400 and after hours for the first time.

beating in a huge way. chipotle, not so much. their digital business was booming, growing by more than two hump -- more than 200%. bit of a mixed bag but mainly we have upside movers in after hours led by tesla. emily: let's take a look at some other tech movers of the day. 2.5%, despiteg facing the biggest antitrust threat in a century. abigail: a really interesting day out of the gate for a lot of the social media companies. there were only two sectors for the s&p 500 closing higher. that was all about facebook, twitter, alphabet. despite you had netflix down so much unum group, that was how strong -- down so much in this group, that was how strong the rest were. snap reassuring investors are using social media, that is something happening strongly through the pandemic, even if

there is netflix fatigue. there does not seem to be snap fatigue. folks are hoping that will be a strong sign for what is ahead for facebook and pinterest and some of these other ones. alphabet, it really is remarkable. at one point it had its best two days since late april. folks finally know what this lawsuit is about. many skeptical that it is going noto through years, so likely to affect their business. that stock has been hanging back. overhang removed, investors want in when it comes to one of the world's biggest companies. emily: abigail doolittle, that you so much. i want to turn now to tesla reporting a fifth consecutive quarter of profit and saying it remains on track to deliver 500,000 cars in 2020. i want to bring an pierre ferragu who currently has a buy rating on elon musk's company. tesla top and cash flow estimates.

i am looking at operating margin, 9.2%. how did they achieve that? amazingthat is the most sentiment of this report. quarter inzed this all subsidies owned. you adjust for 22.9%. you have to put that into context. last year, 19.7%. in the second quarter this year they were at 17.2%. again, expanding margin at a very high pace. the second piece of context you have to keep in mind is comparing that kind of margin to the auto industry. around 15%. [indiscernible]

tesla is very small, it's still growing, they still have two more factories to come online next year. but they are already best practice in the industry. that is very impressive. emily: meantime, tesla saying semi is coming next year. also a highlight. where do you think they will build that? know.: i don't is relatively smaller. so it of course will be in the u.s. in texas would be the right one for that. it's relatively small. but if you look at tesla today, they have manufacturing capacity for 840,000 cars at the end of this year. to put that into context,

725,000 cars next year. so how much they are going to beat these expectations. 250,000n additional unit capacity in shanghai. add another ino berlin. today -- [indiscernible] to get to one million units during the year. semi launchext, the will make headlines but it will be very small. emily: obviously increasing capacity is a huge deal.

also improving self driving technology a big deal as well. what is. --ability, assuming it works what is full self driving capability worth for tesla? pierre: if it means your car can drive by yourself, without a really a general use case kind of technology. to imagine howre much it could be. trillions of dollars. much more than what they are worth today. skeptical, and i do not share elon musk's optimism, what full self-driving could be. you arehnology while sitting behind the wheel of your of thee car handles 95%

situations. it needs you to be around and to be aware and to reengage on request if things get more complicated. sellsechnology i think today for like, $8000. it's almost pure incremental profit. it's almost doubling the growth margin you can generate. it's been extremely successful, like autopilot, could -- [indiscernible] emily: all right. we're going to continue to watch for headlines. calls about to get underway about 20 minutes from now. pierre, always good to have your analysis on tesla. we will continue to watch. theng up, duckduckgo,

search engine that touts its ability to protect user privacy is speaking out on the doj's antitrust activations against google. we speak to the ceo next. this is bloomberg. ♪ ♪

after avoiding scrutiny for years, the u.s. justice department is suing google in the most significant and time -- antitrust case against an american company into decades. they have lined up attorneys to prove they pose no antitrust concerns, but who is affected if google is a monopoly?

we are joined by gabriel wide weinberg, ceoriel of duckduckgo. google has sent in response to this suit that competition is alive and well, that consumer choice is alive and well. consumers simply choose to use google more than other products. what is your response to that? gabriel: if that were true, then google should really make it one click able to switch search engine's, which they are not. they are paying other companies billions of dollars. we actually counted last week, 15 steps it takes to search the search default to duckduckgo, and even then, some are impossible to change. change is more like 15 clicks away. emily: how has google hurt your business, from your point of view? gabriel: google's

anti-competitive practices do hurt companies like us by basically preventing us from gaining market share. but really the negative impact to consumers is through the negative impact from their behavioral advertising and data collection. and the impact that has on society and democracy. those creepy ads that follow you around, most of those are from google. that same behavioral use in advertising is also used for much worse things, like discrimination, polarization, and the filter bubble on google search results. the reality is people were never really given the option to use google or not. it is just there by default. it's really forced to be there and almost impossible to remove google. 's what we are hopeful for his consumers get the option to opt out of all that data collection. we obviously offer a private alternative. emily: have you ever tried to do a default deal and google

elbowed you out? gabriel: yeah. the reality is google itself is the monopoly for most of the search engine points on the internet. we are talking chrome and android. those are the default browsers and operating systems on almost all devices. so google itself is in control of those. it allre other deals and adds up to consumers to not really being able to choose. we should keep in mind they got those monopolies really on the back of google search, and are now using those monopolies to prop up google search. emily: i am curious how google has behaved historically toward duckduckgo, and if that behavior has changed at all in recent months under the cloud of this looming suit, which we are all expecting to drop. gabriel: you know, we have basically clawed our way to the

market share we have right now, which is about 2% of the u.s. search market. a study we do is we run where we really put consumers through a set up where they can choose their search provider when they install a device. and when we did ask, we find that google's market share goes down 20 percentage points and ours goes up five to 10 times. so that is really the difference of quantifying the current anti-competitive actions. so those are all sorts of little things, making it very difficult to switch search engines in android is a front and center example, but it adds up to pent up demand and consumers not being able to choose the option they would like. emily: google has of course responded to this suit, said it is deeply flawed, they are very confident in their case if it goes all the way to court. but i am curious, you have seen more than just about anyone behind the scenes.

what are the kind of tactics you are witnessing that you believe are particularly problematic? gabriel: it is interesting. so, they have been putting out statements like competition is as easy as one click away. last week we put out a post that, no, it is 15 steps to change the default on android. when google responded to that, they basically did not deny it at all. it is just sticking to their talking points, even if they are false. what we would really like to see and would hope after this is actually that real one click away competition, what we call a search preference a menu. when you install chrome or set up a new android device, you are given the option. google is not the default, you are able to choose what you would like. emily: in a world where google is less powerful, what does that actually looks like? i mean, any action, if it

happens, is years down the line. more democratic and private, if you will, future look like? gabriel: right. remedy that we are suggesting could really be rolled out overnight. it has been done in other countries successfully and it does not necessarily have to take years. that's one of the reasons why we advocated. because it actually can be done quickly. but on a higher level, we think it is really possible this case will be a turning point and we will look back on it years from now as the beginning of the end of the surveillance economy. that is really what consumers can get out of this, is escaping data collection online, escaping isavioral targeting, which really forced on the world through research and men --

search engine monopoly. they are targeting you which leads to a filter bubble. really consumers should have the option to opt out of that. emily: well, it's far from over. duckduckgo ceo gabriel weinberg, thank you so much for sharing your side of the story with us. coming up, shares of snap still riding gains after reporting explosive sales growth in the third quarter, adding billions of dollars to the pockets of the cofounders. we revisit the numbers, next. this is bloomberg. ♪ s is bloomberg. ♪

amazon holds -- the amount of store pickups and deliveries we are doing has tripled in the last year.

we are doing a large percentage of our business online now. it is a small percentage before amazon acquired us. foods ceot was whole and cofounder talking about how the coronavirus has impacted amazon's way of doing business with whole foods. more of that conversation tonight on. a peer with david rubenstein. snap cofounders just got a lot richer, billions of dollars after the snapchat parent reported a blowout third with sales and user growth topping wall street estimates. for mora want to bring in sarah frier who covers facebook, instagram and snap for bloomberg. is this snap's come back year? sarah: this is such a dramatic turnaround that they have pulled off in the few years since their ipo. remember we had conversations about how they were below their ipo price for years, and they have really made it work.

they have changed their advertising system to focus on direct response ads, which advertisers can't buy -- can buy without a salesperson. they have shifted to improve their android app, which was faulty for a long time, which is now a huge source of growth for them. furthermore, the pandemic has time that a lot of young people have been turning to snap for their entertainment and communication, to have a little bit more fun with their friends. and not be so bored. i really think the stars have aligned for snap. demographic, how does snap user growth compared to tiktok? sarah: snap is bigger in the u.s. than tiktok and instagram. i think it is really interesting, a lot of investors did not realize that snap is

bigger than twitter, much bigger. and one of the things that they have done so well is it has become almost a more casual way for people to message each other. a a lot of young people think that text messaging is really domal, and snap is a way to it in a more lighthearted fashion. one thing that happened in the last quarter, by way of comparison, is it was a tough quarter for advertising on facebook and tiktok. they both had periods of uncertainty. facebook faced a boycott from advertisers over civil rights issues, and tiktok was possibly going to be banned. so that forced a lot of advertisers to consider a different place to put their social media ads, and started talking to the snap sales team. so i think that it has been a really convenient time for them. the next then,

question is, is this growth sustainable? when we come out of the pandemic, when life goes back to some kind of new normal, does that mean trouble for snap? sarah: well, if they are building these habits now, that is a good sign for them. i think it is always hard for a social media company, you have to maintain your cool. apps like tiktok have taken the demographic that snap is going after by storm. so, they really have to keep inventing things that are interesting to people. i think their moves in ar have been really unique and unmatched by a lot of competitors, even though instagram has tried. so i think they will maintain some dominance there, but snap has always tried to compete by coming up with something that nobody else has, as opposed to facebook, which tries to compete by looking at what is working elsewhere in the market and copying it.

so it will be really interesting to see if they can really keep it up and keep people excited. emily: ok. bloomberg's sarah frier. snap is the new sleeper hit. thank you so much. new tonight, we're hearing rumblings that quibi, the short form mobile focused streaming service, is shutting down. employees will be laid off and paid a severance, while the company looks towards selling the rights for some continent to other firms. millionised nearly $2 and launched with great fanfare in april, right around the time coronavirus was gripping parts of the united states. we reached out to quibi and will have more on this story as it develops. all right. coming up, facebook to investors -- facebook investors are demanding change to curve hate speech. we are going to hear from one

longtime investor, next. this is bloomberg. ♪ s bloomberg. ♪

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arjuna capital joins us to talk about major antitrust concerns. natasha, this is a big deal for google and feels like a big deal for big tech. what is your reaction to the suit, and what could it mean for a company like facebook? this is you know, something that has been a long time in the making. and unfortunately, the tech giants brought it on themselves , the kind of overconcentration of power, google controlling 90% of the search market, the way the companies have been conducted surprise weit is no are here right now. -- unfortunate thing is that

-- there have been insightful concerns by investors that have not been addressed. if companies are going to concentrate power, they are going to have regulatory risk. in the case of facebook, we have seen them roll up instagram and whatsapp it that has created such dominance in this space .hat it is inevitable be some of these fears could eased by a change in management, strain -- change in management, change in structure, so there is more attention to regulatory concerns. call foreaking for the more civil rights structure, for folks who have civil rights experience to join the board of

facebook and help make changes that you believe are so necessary, what leverage do you have to make sure facebook does this? we announced we are moving forward and filing proposals for not just facebook, but twitter and alphabet, which owns youtube and google. we are doing that because we really see that, at this point, it is clear that these companies are flying blind on human and civil rights issues. and so much power is concentrated at the top. take facebook, as you were saying, with mark zuckerberg as ceo, chairman of the board, controlling over 50% of the vote despite owning 14% of the company. very few people that are in charge of what is happening on a global basis, on human and civil rights issues. see them just

coming up on october 20 eighth, they are going to be pulled in front of congress again to discuss the misinformation and hate being perpetuated over the platforms. we have thetors, right to speak up, to ask other investors to weigh in on these issues, whether other investors think it is a good idea that there is greater expertise at the board level to effectively address these issues which have become so synonymous with these companies, which is really unfortunate. and if they can address them at a governance level, i think we would be in a lot better shape. zuckerberg, jack dorsey, others expected to testify before congress next week. do you think an independent board member can actually make a change that is needed, when these decisions are being made day-to-day, and a board member is just flying in and out. is the: i think that

thing. there needs to be a governance aligns withich antitrust concerns as well. this isn't about politics. this isn't about feeling good this is about putting users at risk and therefore investors in the companies at risk. just look at what happened in the summer with facebook, three hundred investors pulling their dollars. look at what is happening now goingrump and the sec after twitter -- fcc going after sectionand others on 230, which means they are not liable for content going over there platforms. unlike other media platforms that are subject to that liability. have misinformation and the incitement of violence on your platforms, you are setting yourself up for failure. we think a governance change at the board level and broader governance change is what is

really needed. , very ok, natasha lamb powerful proposal, arjuna capital, thank you for stopping by. coming up, the latest supernova hitting the market this morning. we hear about the special acquisition space and whether the trend is here to stay. this is bloomberg. ♪

♪ stock hit the market, supernova, opening last night at $10 a share when other special acquisition purpose companies are downsizing. supernova opened on the new york stock exchange this morning and plans to partner with the company that addresses

tech-enabled trends. , spoke with spencer rascoff zillow group co-founder and supernova. him aboutd alternatives going forward. spencer: i didn't need to raise primary capital on the ipo and therefore didn't need a traditional listing. if i had pursued a traditional listing, the stock would have traded up quite a bit and there would have been money left on the table. a direct listing with the right palantir, if companies of palantir's quality go public, they will consider going through on a stack merger because there are more high-quality stack out there that can take public companies of palantir's value. emily: we have a big election

coming up and now that you have a few dogs and the fight, will the results of the election have a big impact on market sentiment? spencer: the most important thing is stability. whoever wins, let's hope it is decided relatively quickly and peacefully. that is the one thing markets most importantly need. i will take stability over either winter, any day. that is the big hope of the markets. emily: you just launched a housing startup. i'm curious how you think the pandemic is going to permanently change human behavior when it comes to buying and selling real estate. spencer: it is changing a lot. people are no longer tethered to corporate headquarters. they can live and work where they choose, or at least a lot of people. that is changing purchasing behavior for real estate, to be sure. allowingp, the cost is people to buy portions of second homes and that allows them right size their ownership of a vacation home. a lot of of people are taking

advantage of of this, because they are able to live in where they choose. the other change in real estate is that people are going to spread out from nature cities. if they don't have to work at corporate headquarters five days a weekend can commute say, one day week or one day every couple weeks, they can live 45 minutes, one hour, hour and a half, and all of a sudden you will see people moving out of major cities and getting more house for less money further away from city centers. emily: how do you see prices evolving, given we have an election, might not have a vaccine, and some things are changing essentially, permanently? spencer: rents in some cities are dropping like a rock, new york and san francisco. the data out of san francisco is 20% plus rent kleins, since people realize they don't have to just be in san francisco to work in tech. they can be in other cities. winter, between the

thanksgiving on the super bowl is a quiet time for transactions, and everything sort of settles. most people don't move during that time. we will see if that happens in this case also. those of the impact i think you are seeing from covid. moreurban sprawl and flexible live-work situation, where people are working from more remote destinations come i think that is permanent. i don't see companies going back to five-day-a-week situations and offices. filed a hugej just antitrust lawsuit against google. you have depended on google for traffic and have also been on the board of tripadvisor. do you think google has an antitrust problem and is anti-competitive? spencer: google definitely biases their search results to favor their own properties. that makes it very difficult for startups to be seen and what is basically the homepage of the internet, and makes it hard for

big companies like tripadvisor puts zillow when google their own products up in the search results per no question that makes it difficult to compete. does that constitute anti-competitive behavior? typically, the government and the courts require some harm to be caused to a consumer in order for it to be deemed anticompetitive. is theard to argue, what harm? are they seeing google hotel search results rather than tripadvisor hotel search results? where is the consumer harm? i don't know where the courts will settle on this, but clearly it is something tech is watching closely. as a startup investor, it is very important to me and startups. we will have to see with the courts determine. this is still years away, the lawsuit has just been filed. this is two years plus away from when we might see any

settlement. the more immediate issue is what impact it has on company culture at google. i served in the shadow of microsoft in seattle, we hired a lot of people, and if you ask people worked in microsoft from the mid-1990's to the mid- thousands, what happened to microsoft for a long time, they will say it is the shadow of the antitrust case against microsoft mad stifled innovation, microsofte less aggressive, less willing to try new things, less willing to launch new products, and it was that, not the settlement with doj, that harmed microsoft in the long term and cost basically a lost decade for microsoft, which has recovered, but it has impacted the company culture. , cochairencer rascoff of zillow -- cochair of supernova and co-founder of

zillow. facebook's neighborhood allows with folksve actions next door as next door is about to go public. in kurt wagner, who covers facebook for us. what is facebook building here, and how close is it todoor? -- how close is it to nextdoor? kurt it is still too early to see what it is going to look like. it sounds very similar to next door. you would add your address and connect to other people in your neighborhood. it would create a facebook-like tour facebook smaller version just for people in your community. facebook-light or facebook smaller version just for people in your community.

ande is another offering they are doing well so it is interesting that now facebook is trying to compete with them. is a greatbook success with marketplace, which has sort of been a sleeper hit, almost like facebook has created the new craigslist. other building on that with new features? kurt: i've been feeling the same way. marketplace is totally underrated. i've used it personally a few times and it is a far better experience in my mind. this plays into the same idea that facebook probably looked at marketplace and realized there is a lot to be said about people connecting with those in their immediate vicinity. buying do stuff around things, but also around safety, there is a safety element to this that would be beneficial. you are probably right that they have learned from marketplace and that this is one of the

reasons this is suddenly coming out now. toly: interesting, something follow for sure, bloomberg's kurt lackner, thank you so much for your reporting. the price of bitcoin rose to the highest level since july 2019 after people announced it would allow customers to use cryptocurrency. one ceo called it biggest news of the year in crypto. he is going to join us tomorrow here on bloomberg technology. you don't want to miss it. we will be back in a few minutes. has been earnings call underway. here is a taste of elon musk. this is bloomberg. ♪ >> in a few years, there will be batteries that will cost half as much and where capital expenditures are a third or less of what they are today. ♪

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max creativity conference is underway, drawing hundreds of thousands of registrants. i caught up with adobe ceo shantanu narayan to talk about software debuts as wet as he inks is this week's biggest story between the department of justice and google. shantanu: this is going to be our largest ever, completely digital and virtual event. over 550,000obe, free registrations, 56 hours of recorded content we are going to be doing, whether it is product information, celebrities talking about creative, so we are really excited. it is truly a creativity conference for the world. outy: last year, you rolled photoshop for ipad. there were diehard photoshop folks out there that weren't too happy.

what did you learn? shantanu: the transformation we made was complete file format capability and the ability for you to go from the death star to the ipad and back. depositing, ause key feature of photoshop, and make that accessible. back on that has been great -- feedback on that has been great. the ease of accessibility on photoshop has been tremendous. we have been updating it and adding more features. murals, filters, photoshop on the iphone. so the amount of innovation we are delivering across all these different services continues to increase. emily: adobe has been working on tools to combat disinformation and deepfakes to help users determine whether images are genuine. we are coming up on one of the most critical elections in our lifetimes. what product are you making and

how much have to are you willing to put behind this initiative? shantanu: we have made tremendous progress, emily, that is the short summary. we believe this needs to be an industry movement. we are certainly taking leadership at the company that's creating all of the world's contents, but in conjunction with companies like twitter, "the new york times," and you're going to see more announcements about what we can do with chip companies. when you create adobe content, you can determine the veracity of it. we don't have to work with producers, so when content shows up on bloomberg, it will be nice for people to know this is emily's content, and you can sign it. and with artificial intelligence, we can actually recognize when that is changed. so this is really movement because we need the producers of

the content, the authors, and adobe. but at the end of the day, it requires the consumer to say, when i see that content on whole, i want to find out created the content and what is the veracity of the content. emily: the doj filed a massive antitrust case against google and it could pave the way for google, amazon, facebook, being broken up. some folks i have spoken to say some of the allegations are ridiculous. i spoke to an investor who said the regulation of microsoft paved the way for big tech companies today. do you think these companies are monopolies, and should they be broken up? shantanu: mike takeaway, and the away, andk -- my take the way i think adobe needs to operate, is let's trust the consumer. make sure you deliver great value. that is critical. other points that i would say

that, technology is moving so rapidly that i think the more these large tech companies, including adobe, say how do we take responsibility for what we are doing, and make sure we serve our customers well? that is only going to be the long-term solution associated with it. i continued to believe the relationship with the consumer is critical. the technology is moving so fast that a lot of this will require self regulation. emily: you are on the board of pfizer. there is so much excitement about a pfizer vaccine. they say they could seek emergency use authorization for their vaccine by late november. how optimistic are you about that time like? shantanu: we have been completely transparent. the ceo had an open letter talking about where they are in but we are all

keeping our fingers crossed. when you are in these trials, you have to go through the trials, examined the data, and they are smack dab in the middle of that. at the end of the day, i am optimistic that pharma and science will prevail against this pandemic. emily: adobe ceo shantanu narayan there. usersight, over 400,000 went online to watch representative alexandria ocasio-cortez livestream on her new twitch channel to encourage more people to vote. the democrat played the game among us with representative a lot omar and -- representative in anomar and others, effort to get a younger demographic out to the polls. on tesla, elon musk continuing

to speak on the earnings call right now, starting out saying this third quarter is the best in tesla history. he says the primary strength that tesla going forward will be in manufacturing. he talked about the three major berlines in shanghai, and austin, texas and said it would take 24 months to get austin and berlin. . he also talked about self-driving, saying the beta version of self-driving will rollout to more people this weekend and next week before broader release next year. we have breaking confirmation from quibi, announcing intention to wind down the business, quibi of course launched by jeffrey katzenberg and meg whitman, saying they are ending the business. we will be watching to see how that story unfolds. that does it for this edition of "bloomberg technology."

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